Re: Speaking of snack foods

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and Michele wrote on Thursday, October 02, 2003 8:36 PM

<<We simply crumble natural cheese, bake and season. Nothing else added! >>

[snip]

<< INGREDIENTS: Cheese (Milk, Salt, Cheese Cultures, Enzymes), Maltodextrin,

Onion Powder, Spices, Natural Flavors, Garlic Powder, Oleoresin Paprika, Citric

Acid. >>

???? why all these other ingredients????????

these crackers are SO easy to make which means you control the cheese quality...

on the other hand do we want cheese to be baked having gone through all the

trouble to get raw cheese?

Dedy

[Guest guest]

Did you look up oleoresin? Isn't that one of those new fangled oils.

Something to stay away from! I don't think I would want to eat it

even if it didn't have oleoresin in it. I think there are recipes

where you can just put slices of cheese in the oven and bake and get

a better product.

~Del

> and Michele wrote on Thursday, October 02, 2003 8:36 PM

> <<We simply crumble natural cheese, bake and season. Nothing else

added! >>

> [snip]

> << INGREDIENTS: Cheese (Milk, Salt, Cheese Cultures, Enzymes),

Maltodextrin, Onion Powder, Spices, Natural Flavors, Garlic Powder,

Oleoresin Paprika, Citric Acid. >>

>

> ???? why all these other ingredients????????

> these crackers are SO easy to make which means you control the

cheese quality... on the other hand do we want cheese to be baked

having gone through all the trouble to get raw cheese?

>

> Dedy

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Maltodextrin is extremely bad news, " Onion Powder " is undesirably processed

and probably has some hidden bad ingredients, " natural flavors " is a

synonym for excitotoxins, for " garlic powder " see " onion powder " , and

" citric acid " , at least in the form used as a food additive, is also

supposed to be undesirable, though I have no hard information on that.

>Maltodextrin, Onion Powder, Spices, Natural Flavors, Garlic Powder,

>Oleoresin Paprika, Citric Acid.

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[Guest guest]

What's wrong with maltodextrin?

--- In , Idol <Idol@c...>

wrote:

> Maltodextrin is extremely bad news, . . .

[Guest guest]

>Maltodextrin is extremely bad news, " Onion Powder " is undesirably processed

>and probably has some hidden bad ingredients, " natural flavors " is a

>synonym for excitotoxins, for " garlic powder " see " onion powder " , and

> " citric acid " , at least in the form used as a food additive, is also

>supposed to be undesirable, though I have no hard information on that.

I don't know about maltodextrin, but I LOVE dehydrated onions as a cooking

ingredient.

They rehydrate into something that looks a lot like onions. Onion powder is (or

should be) the same thing, powdered. Citric acid is a pure chemical, and I don't

think it is as nice as lactic acid, but I don't think it is harmful either.

Natural flavors usually means MSG and I try to avoid it, but it depends on the

company.

That said, I usually buy things with the fewest ingredients, they seem to " set "

better!

-- Heidi

[Guest guest]

Heidi-

Trust me on this, commercial onion powder is nothing like homemade

dehydrated onions, or like the dehydrated stuff you can buy from certain

outlets like Penzeys.

>but I LOVE dehydrated onions as a cooking ingredient.

>They rehydrate into something that looks a lot like onions. Onion powder

>is (or should be) the same thing, powdered.

-

[Guest guest]

>

>Trust me on this, commercial onion powder is nothing like homemade

>dehydrated onions, or like the dehydrated stuff you can buy from certain

>outlets like Penzeys.

>

>-

Interesting. In what way is it different? I've bought " onion powder " in the

past and it sure SEEMED to be powdered dried onions.

-- Heidi

[Guest guest]

Heidi-

High temperature processing, flavor additives, flow additives, " natural

flavors " , etc. -- and some of that stuff doesn't have to be listed on the

label.

>Interesting. In what way is it different? I've bought " onion powder " in the

>past and it sure SEEMED to be powdered dried onions.

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[Guest guest]

Mostly I was just trying to find some kind of " snack " to have around for those

times when I need something in a hurry. It seems like most of the stuff sold as

" healthy " isn't any better then the regular store bought junk. We just moved

and we are in a very rural area, which should be good for finding true health

food sources, but it does take awhile to find them. I can't even find a place

close by that sells non ultra-pasteurized milk. Right now my main source for

organic meat and food is Azure Standard.

Michele

>Maltodextrin is extremely bad news, " Onion Powder " is undesirably processed

>and probably has some hidden bad ingredients, " natural flavors " is a

>synonym for excitotoxins, for " garlic powder " see " onion powder " , and

> " citric acid " , at least in the form used as a food additive, is also

>supposed to be undesirable, though I have no hard information on that.

I don't know about maltodextrin, but I LOVE dehydrated onions as a cooking

ingredient.

They rehydrate into something that looks a lot like onions. Onion powder is

(or should be) the same thing, powdered. Citric acid is a pure chemical, and I

don't think it is as nice as lactic acid, but I don't think it is harmful

either. Natural flavors usually means MSG and I try to avoid it, but it depends

on the company.

That said, I usually buy things with the fewest ingredients, they seem to

" set " better!

-- Heidi

[Guest guest]

This is all in a product that is supposed to be better than the junk at the

store. This is the " health food product " .

Michele

Maltodextrin is extremely bad news, " Onion Powder " is undesirably processed

and probably has some hidden bad ingredients, " natural flavors " is a

synonym for excitotoxins, for " garlic powder " see " onion powder " , and

" citric acid " , at least in the form used as a food additive, is also

supposed to be undesirable, though I have no hard information on that.

>Maltodextrin, Onion Powder, Spices, Natural Flavors, Garlic Powder,

>Oleoresin Paprika, Citric Acid.

-

[Guest guest]

,

Is Penzeys a good place to get spices?

Michele

commercial onion powder is nothing like homemade

dehydrated onions, or like the dehydrated stuff you can buy from certain

outlets like Penzeys.

>

[Guest guest]

Where do you find information on food additives, information that will tell

what's really going on instead of only the good reasons for the additive being

used?

Michele

High temperature processing, flavor additives, flow additives, " natural

flavors " , etc. -- and some of that stuff doesn't have to be listed on the

label.

>Interesting. In what way is it different? I've bought " onion powder " in the

>past and it sure SEEMED to be powdered dried onions.

-

[Guest guest]

Help here! The hubby is quitting smoking again which means every 90

minutes or so he needs to do something oral. He's eating things out of

the snack machine! What can I give him that also won't pack on the

poundage?

Lynn S.

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--- In , Lynn Siprelle <lynn@s...>

wrote:

> Help here! The hubby is quitting smoking again which means

> every 90 minutes or so he needs to do something oral.

> . . .

> What can I give him . . .

May I refer you to Christie's and Chris' suggestions at

/message/30333 and

/message/30339 ?

>. . . that also won't pack on the poundage?

Well... depending on the position and how much you weigh.

[Guest guest]

who was just saying about being gifted with tongues. Perhaps he could

exercise

Re: Speaking of snack foods

> Help here! The hubby is quitting smoking again which means every 90

> minutes or so he needs to do something oral. He's eating things out of

> the snack machine! What can I give him that also won't pack on the

> poundage?

>

> Lynn S.

>

> -----

> Lynn Siprelle * Writer, Mother, Programmer, Fiber Artisan

> The New Homemaker: http://www.newhomemaker.com/

> Siprelle & Associates: http://www.siprelle.com/

> People-Powered ! http://www.deanforamerica.com/

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>Heidi-

>

>High temperature processing, flavor additives, flow additives, " natural

>flavors " , etc. -- and some of that stuff doesn't have to be listed on the

>label.

>

>-

This is true ... it gets to be a philisophical thing ... if something isn't

listed, should

we assume it is there? " Flow additives " I really dislike, they are often wheat

starch. And I generally avoid processed food in general (most of it doesn't

taste good). But specifically about onion powder ... I use LOTS of spices and

spice mixes, and most of them seem ok if they are from an OK company.

A lot of time we'll call the company and ask about stuff like " natural flavors "

(sometimes it is not MSG). Otherwise I don't know that I would suspect

onion powder any more than I would, say, garlic powder or chili powder.

-- Heidi

[Guest guest]

Homemade jerky? I love the stuff. Now my hubby is getting addicted

to it too. Being protein it does fill you up.

I also munch on carrots ... I happen to like them and I like CRUNCH.

I crunch on ice too ... my Mom swears it will crack my teeth, but

for the past 40 years it has not. I say with teeth ... use 'em or lose 'em,

my theory is the more you crunch the stronger they get (not based

on any evidence whatsoever, just that I like crunching!).

-- Heidi (who also has an oral fixation)

>Help here! The hubby is quitting smoking again which means every 90

>minutes or so he needs to do something oral. He's eating things out of

>the snack machine! What can I give him that also won't pack on the

>poundage?

>

>Lynn S.

[Guest guest]

Heidi-

The danger of crunching on ice doesn't come from their hardness, but their

temperature.

>my Mom swears it will crack my teeth, but

>for the past 40 years it has not. I say with teeth ... use 'em or lose 'em,

>my theory is the more you crunch the stronger they get

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[Guest guest]

Heidi-

Garlic powder almost always has vile additives, but I think we may be

talking about two different things. If you find " onion powder " or

something like that on an ingredient panel in a processed food, it's all

but guaranteed it's nasty. If you _buy_ powdered onions or even powdered

garlic from a good source, well, maybe it's just dried powdered onions, in

which case it's less than ideal but not really actively bad or anything

(AFAIK).

>Otherwise I don't know that I would suspect

>onion powder any more than I would, say, garlic powder or chili powder.

-

[Guest guest]

Michele-

>Is Penzeys a good place to get spices?

Yes and no. Yes because the prices are OK and the flavors are mostly

absolutely top of the line; no because none of their offerings are

organic. I'm still looking for the ideal herb and spice source.

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[Guest guest]

I use to crunch ice. Always heard that it was a sign of something you

are not getting in your diet that caused a person to crunch ice.

Never did follow up on it though...

~Del

>

> Homemade jerky? I love the stuff. Now my hubby is getting addicted

> to it too. Being protein it does fill you up.

>

> I also munch on carrots ... I happen to like them and I like CRUNCH.

> I crunch on ice too ... my Mom swears it will crack my teeth, but

> for the past 40 years it has not. I say with teeth ... use 'em or

lose 'em,

> my theory is the more you crunch the stronger they get (not based

> on any evidence whatsoever, just that I like crunching!).

>

> -- Heidi (who also has an oral fixation)

>

> >Help here! The hubby is quitting smoking again which means every

90

> >minutes or so he needs to do something oral. He's eating things

out of

> >the snack machine! What can I give him that also won't pack on the

> >poundage?

> >

> >Lynn S.

[Guest guest]

One source for herbs and spices you might want to check into is

www.herbalcom.com. I've ordered from them several times now and have

been quite pleased. They have the cheapest pricest around that I've

been able to find and they say on their site that " The herbs are free

of pesticides and herbicides, and are not fumigated or irradiated. "

Many of them are wildcrafted.

The only thing is, you have to order a pound at a time. That's a lot

of ginger, for instance, but if you're using it medicinally also, it's

a great source. You can also freeze it.

~ Fern

Re: Speaking of snack foods

> Michele-

>

> >Is Penzeys a good place to get spices?

>

> Yes and no. Yes because the prices are OK and the flavors are

mostly

> absolutely top of the line; no because none of their offerings are

> organic. I'm still looking for the ideal herb and spice source.

>

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[Guest guest]

>Heidi-

>

>The danger of crunching on ice doesn't come from their hardness, but their

>temperature.

>

:

What is the danger of the temperature? I think my brain is

overheated and needs cooling down ...

-- Heidi

[Guest guest]

>Heidi-

>

>Garlic powder almost always has vile additives, but I think we may be

>talking about two different things. If you find " onion powder " or

>something like that on an ingredient panel in a processed food, it's all

>but guaranteed it's nasty. If you _buy_ powdered onions or even powdered

>garlic from a good source, well, maybe it's just dried powdered onions, in

>which case it's less than ideal but not really actively bad or anything

>(AFAIK).

:

I just want to know where you got the information. When I get " onion powder " it

DOES seem to be just onion powder ... I can call the company to check. Usually

at the store they sell " onion salt " because the powder tends to cake. But what I

want to know is, do you just suspect that commercial onion powder is different,

or do you have some evidence that it is different?

It is a very interesting topic to those of us who try to track down " hidden

gluten " . Some ingredients do tend to be contaminated, and the manufacturers will

usually say so, something like " we get our modified food starch from a supplier,

and we don't know if it has wheat starch in it or not " . Or they will say " No,

our modified food starch is ONLY corn starch " . They won't say the latter unless

they are rather sure, generally, because they are very afraid of lawsuits. Some

food makers have become very conscientious about tracking down hidden

ingredients and even cross-contamination issues.

So personally, I wouldn't avoid a food just because of " onion powder " without

some evidence that the food maker wasn't sure what was in it. I don't like

packaged food much for other reasons (like, it's been in storage for ages, it is

too dry, and they are generally pure starch, and the fats are rancid), but I do

eat them sometimes (and it's hard to find a substitute for crackers, as

previously discussed!).

-- Heidi

[Guest guest]

I just got back from farmer's market and I bought spices from a

family that has organic veggies so all spices are organic. Check out

your local farmer's market.

I met a couple there that goes to Alaska once a year to fish for

there own wild red salmon. It takes them 3 days to get enough for a

year! At the end of this month they are going to mexico to fish for

tuna. They gave me there card and said they would bring me some back,

if I call them! I am excited but don't have a clue what that is going

to cost and if I can afford it!

~Del

--- In , Idol <Idol@c...>

wrote:

> Michele-

>

> >Is Penzeys a good place to get spices?

>

> Yes and no. Yes because the prices are OK and the flavors are

mostly

> absolutely top of the line; no because none of their offerings are

> organic. I'm still looking for the ideal herb and spice source.

>

>

>

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