Guest guest Posted October 2, 2003 Report Share Posted October 2, 2003 Red wine definitely makes me stuffy in the nose. I think I'm allergic to it so I stick to white wine. Yummy. I love white wine! I've never heard of wine added to chicken soup--usually, it's added to things that will cook down (stews, sauces, etc.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2003 Report Share Posted October 2, 2003 Hi , I have laid off wine too because of mirgraines. Just started using it in sauces. I use the red wine for spagetti sauce and white for cream sauces. Found out that I am gluten intolerant (stool test) and I think wine has gluten in it so I just started back in time to quit again! LOL! However, it didn't restart the headaches...that was good! I have not heard of wine helping with digestion before. Would think if it had gluten in it that it would not be good! Maybe someone will come along that knows. Good luck, ~Del --- In , <karenr@c...> wrote: > Thinking of trying some wine, for therapeutic purposes of course :- )... > does any one kind seem to help digestion more than another, or is it just a > matter of taste preference? > > I used to have migraines so haven't had red wine in ages, although I'm not > sure if it ever was a trigger for me. Recently with hormonal shifts I > haven't had any migraines (yay!), but I'm still not sure if red is a good idea. > > Thought it might be fun to start using some in cooking too, although I > might go with a cheaper cooking wine for that, as long as there's not a lot > of extra junk in those besides salt. Does wine work in chicken soup? > > And what about the sulfites; how much of a problem is that? > > - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2003 Report Share Posted October 2, 2003 >Thinking of trying some wine, for therapeutic purposes of course :-)... >does any one kind seem to help digestion more than another, or is it just a >matter of taste preference? > >I used to have migraines so haven't had red wine in ages, although I'm not >sure if it ever was a trigger for me. Recently with hormonal shifts I >haven't had any migraines (yay!), but I'm still not sure if red is a good idea. I get migraines from stuff I react to, but wine has no effect. Actually I've heard that wine and chocolate are CRAVED by people getting a migraine, but the chemical changes that trigger a migraine begin some 20 hours before (or something like that) and wine and chocolate aren't usually the trigger. But calcium tends to get rid of migraines ... so I take calcium and it seems to work. Since calcium is a big problem in PMS too, I think it does has something to do with hormones. I like red wine. Lot of good stuff in it. Only problem is price, and too much alcohol. So I restrict the red wine and fill up on kefir beer. Some wines have high sulfites though, and THOSE seem to give me a headache (not migraines). Cooking meat in alcohol is a problem for some people. I seems to produce something that acts similar to MSG. I know this only from people's experience, I don't know why it happens. And Del ... wine does NOT have gluten in it, unless you get the cheap versions or fruit wines. So for good ones, esp. French, they aren't supposed to add ANYTHING but grapes. -- Heidi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2003 Report Share Posted October 3, 2003 - Have you tried organic? Unpasteurized? >Red wine definitely makes me stuffy in the nose. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2003 Report Share Posted October 3, 2003 White wine has the skin removed from the grapes, so red wine is probably more nutritious. Although I read that your iron and copper need to be in balance, and to drink red wine if you have low iron or high copper, and to drink white wine if you have high iron or low copper-- I guess for some reason white wine is higher in copper. To me the only thing that makes a difference is cheap versus expensive. Moderately priced wine makes me feel better, cheap wine makes me feel like crap. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2003 Report Share Posted October 3, 2003 > But calcium tends to get >rid of migraines ... so I take calcium and it seems to work. Since >calcium is a big problem in PMS too, I think it does has something >to do with hormones. That's curious.. since magnesium is the one most often used for migraines because it dilates blood vessels, and magnesium is a calcium channel-blocker... I've never been able to take enough Mg to get a therapeutic effect for migraines, but it seems many people do. Luckily my migraines seem to have disappeared, whether from hormonal changes or homeopathic treatment. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2003 Report Share Posted October 3, 2003 , I actually don't pay much attention to the KIND of wine I drink (it either tastes good or bad)....I could probably improve on this point. I've never noticed wine that is labeled " unpasteurized " --is there a particular vintner that does this? Generally, I like French wine. Pouilly-Fuisse and Sancerre especially. I also like Pinot Grigio. Any advice on what to look for in terms of quality would be appreciated. I don't really drink wine for my health....I think red is better for this. Now that I think about it, some red wines don't give me the sniffles (I do indulge sometimes, even though I generally stay away from the stuff). Like Heidi, I definitely try to limit the amount of wine I drink because of the high alcohol and calories. Much to my husband's horror, I like to order " wine spritzers " ....delicious and half as strong as regular wine. Re: wine--red or white? - Have you tried organic? Unpasteurized? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2003 Report Share Posted October 3, 2003 Thanks Heidi, for letting me know about no gluten in wine! That is great, now I can continue to use the NT spaghetti sauce recipe. I had such bad headaches when I was younger. I always suspected food. Nitrates found in lunch meats, too much banana, wines, MSG (found in just about everything)and chocolate would all trigger a headache for me. I started eliminating all processed foods but when I got a headache, a classic coke would sometimes help to get rid of it and sometimes a little black coffee or a small piece of chocolate. You have to be careful or it can also make it worse! Part of my problem now is with my tummy because when I was younger I would take very high doses of valium and vicodin to get rid of it. Before that I took aspirin and advil. Did that for too many years. Til I got smart and started declining all meds and started using foods as my medicine. I also joined the Headache Foundation and got newsletters which printed letters from people that told what they were doing and I learned a lot about the right and wrong foods for me. Be a detective and listen to your own body. I believe hormones also play a part. Maybe since I am past menopause that has been a factor in no more headaches for me. ~Del -- In , Heidi Schuppenhauer <heidis@t...> wrote: > > >Thinking of trying some wine, for therapeutic purposes of course :- )... > >does any one kind seem to help digestion more than another, or is it just a > >matter of taste preference? > > > >I used to have migraines so haven't had red wine in ages, although I'm not > >sure if it ever was a trigger for me. Recently with hormonal shifts I > >haven't had any migraines (yay!), but I'm still not sure if red is a good idea. > > I get migraines from stuff I react to, but wine has no effect. > Actually I've heard that wine and chocolate are CRAVED by people > getting a migraine, but the chemical changes that trigger a migraine > begin some 20 hours before (or something like that) and wine and > chocolate aren't usually the trigger. But calcium tends to get > rid of migraines ... so I take calcium and it seems to work. Since > calcium is a big problem in PMS too, I think it does has something > to do with hormones. > > I like red wine. Lot of good stuff in it. Only problem is price, > and too much alcohol. So I restrict the red wine and fill up > on kefir beer. > > Some wines have high sulfites though, and THOSE seem > to give me a headache (not migraines). > > Cooking meat in alcohol is a problem for some people. > I seems to produce something that acts similar to > MSG. I know this only from people's experience, I don't > know why it happens. > > And Del ... wine does NOT have gluten in it, unless > you get the cheap versions or fruit wines. So for good > ones, esp. French, they aren't supposed to add ANYTHING > but grapes. > > > -- Heidi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2003 Report Share Posted October 3, 2003 Thanks , for naming some wines that you like. I am new to buying and (drinking) wine and every little bit of info helps. ~Del > , > > I actually don't pay much attention to the KIND of wine I drink (it either tastes good or bad)....I could probably improve on this point. I've never noticed wine that is labeled " unpasteurized " --is there a particular vintner that does this? Generally, I like French wine. Pouilly-Fuisse and Sancerre especially. I also like Pinot Grigio. Any advice on what to look for in terms of quality would be appreciated. I don't really drink wine for my health....I think red is better for this. Now that I think about it, some red wines don't give me the sniffles (I do indulge sometimes, even though I generally stay away from the stuff). Like Heidi, I definitely try to limit the amount of wine I drink because of the high alcohol and calories. Much to my husband's horror, I like to order " wine spritzers " ....delicious and half as strong as regular wine. > > > Re: wine--red or white? > > > - > > Have you tried organic? Unpasteurized? > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2003 Report Share Posted October 3, 2003 >That's curious.. since magnesium is the one most often used for migraines >because it dilates blood vessels, and magnesium is a calcium >channel-blocker... I've never been able to take enough Mg to get a >therapeutic effect for migraines, but it seems many people do. Luckily my >migraines seem to have disappeared, whether from hormonal changes or >homeopathic treatment. > >- Actually the therapy I read about was calcium, magnesium and some B vite, I think. I take a Calicum/Mag/D supplement so I don't know which one is working. Plus I changed my diet drastically at the same time. I haven't heard that anyone knows why the therapy works, but migraines have been shown to be triggered by abnormalities in the calcium channel in the brain -- the people that theorized that thought it might be too much OR too little calcium, but since taking calcium seems to stop it, it's probably too little, I'd guess. Or maybe not enough magnesium so the calcium doesn't get used correctly. At any rate, they seem to be more nutrition related than strictly allergy related (eating gluten or milk ALWAYS gives me one the next day though. However gluten really messes up calcium usage so it's probably a secondary effect ... I get tetany when I eat gluten too, no matter how many supplements I take). -- Heidi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2003 Report Share Posted October 3, 2003 >I've never noticed wine that is labeled " unpasteurized " --is there a particular vintner that does this? GOOD wine is generally not heated. However, you can make wine from boiled grape juice and fruit juice concentrates, and I'd guess some of the wines now are made that way (esp. the " wine cooler " kind of drinks). When we made wine we generally added sulfates to kill any mold that might be on the grapes. Those cause headaches (and maybe sniffles) in a lot of people. I haven't found it to be a problem with the better wines though. Maybe they heat the grapes instead of using sulfates? Red wine IS full of natural tannins, and those give me indigestion on an empty stomach. So wine really is best with a meal, as it is traditionally drunk. > Generally, I like French wine. Pouilly-Fuisse and Sancerre especially. I also like Pinot Grigio. Any advice on what to look for in terms of quality would be appreciated. I don't really drink wine for my health....I think red is better for this. Now that I think about it, some red wines don't give me the sniffles (I do indulge sometimes, even though I generally stay away from the stuff). Like Heidi, I definitely try to limit the amount of wine I drink because of the high alcohol and calories. Much to my husband's horror, I like to order " wine spritzers " ....delicious and half as strong as regular wine. The spritzers are made almost like soda pop, sometimes. Horrid stuff in them! What they do in Spain is to add " fizz water " -- use half wine and half mineral water or just plain carbonated water. That makes it less strong without adding sugar. -- Heidi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2003 Report Share Posted October 3, 2003 >younger I would take very >high doses of valium and vicodin to get rid of it. Before that I took >aspirin and advil. Did that for too many years. Til I got smart and >started declining all meds and started using foods as my medicine. Dr. Fine has done a lot of work on the biology of the colon, and his take is that microscopic colitis is caused by NSAIDS (non steroidal pain relievers, like Advil). I don't know why he says this, or what they do, but he puts people on a " Pepto Bismol routine " (about 10 days of pepto daily, 3x a day I think but I don't remember exactly). He wrote that this generally cleared up the colitis, but then if it came back it was probably from food allergy. >I also joined the Headache Foundation and got newsletters which printed >letters from people that told what they were doing and I learned a >lot about the right and wrong foods for me. Be a detective and listen >to your own body. I believe hormones also play a part. Maybe since I >am past menopause that has been a factor in no more headaches for me. Mine started at puberty and started getting more frequent with perimenopause ... definitely hormones! I did biofeedback as a teenager and that seemed to get rid of the PAIN though ... they switched from excruciating to mainly eyesight problems. Now they are mostly going away since I'm healthier. -- Heidi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2003 Report Share Posted October 3, 2003 - >I've never noticed wine that is labeled " unpasteurized " --is there a >particular vintner that does this? Alas, while I know there's unpasteurized wine to be found, I don't know where to drink it, since I'm not drinking wine now for cost and weight loss reasons. must know of all kinds of sources, though, since he sounds like an inveterate wino. <g> (Maybe someday raw wine will be as easy to find as raw beer, which now makes up a substantial portion of the beer shelf at Fairway on most days.) >Generally, I like French wine. Pouilly-Fuisse and Sancerre especially. I >also like Pinot Grigio. Any advice on what to look for in terms of >quality would be appreciated. I don't really drink wine for my >health....I think red is better for this. Red is the best for health AFAIK, but for certified organic wines, I think you're mostly stuck with California, and for raw... well, I don't know. >Now that I think about it, some red wines don't give me the sniffles (I do >indulge sometimes, even though I generally stay away from the stuff). Sounds like it could be an additive issue. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2003 Report Share Posted October 3, 2003 Well, I think I'll keep on with my willy-nilly wino ways until I hear how to determine if it's raw or not. I would guess the French would be the strictest when it comes to quality/processing, etc. They seem to have high standards for food in general. As for CA wines....well, I do love the place, but am not crazy about the grapes they grow there. That oakey chardonnay is BLECHY! It's true that REAL beer is easy to find...but I'm not so crazy about beer. Plus, there's the gluten/grain issue (it's been almost five days!!! wow!!! I surprise even myself!!!) Vive la France! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2003 Report Share Posted October 3, 2003 Idol wrote on Friday, October 03, 2003 5:20 PM <<< but for certified organic wines, I think you're mostly stuck with California, and for raw... well, I don't know.>>> there are plenty of French, Italian and other certified organic wines available here in the UK can't see why you'd have a harder time finding them for them in the US. Dedy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2003 Report Share Posted October 3, 2003 , I thought all wine was unpasteurized! Is that incorrect? If so, how do I tell? n --- In , Idol <Idol@c...> wrote: > - > > Have you tried organic? Unpasteurized? > > >Red wine definitely makes me stuffy in the nose. > > > > - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2003 Report Share Posted October 3, 2003 On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 16:36:20 -0400 <karenr@...> wrote: >Thinking of trying some wine, for therapeutic purposes of course :-)... LOL!!! >does any one kind seem to help digestion more than another, or is it just a >matter of taste preference? hmmm...that is a good question. I would guess red wine. > >I used to have migraines so haven't had red wine in ages, although I'm not >sure if it ever was a trigger for me. Recently with hormonal shifts I >haven't had any migraines (yay!), but I'm still not sure if red is a good idea. Cheap red wine is a problem. The best wines in terms of reaction issues are either organic or more on the spendy side. Most wines are loaded with stuff that is not required to be listed on the label. French wines are not however. There are other wines out there which taste good and are organic as well but often aren't listed as such, much like beer. Exciting Jealousy in Women and Terror in Men Taki on marriage. http://tinyurl.com/p7pr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2003 Report Share Posted October 3, 2003 > >Alas, while I know there's unpasteurized wine to be found, I don't know >where to drink it, since I'm not drinking wine now for cost and weight loss >reasons. must know of all kinds of sources, though, since he >sounds like an inveterate wino. <g> (Maybe someday raw wine will be as >easy to find as raw beer, which now makes up a substantial portion of the >beer shelf at Fairway on most days.) Trader Joe's has the infamous " Shaw " for $2.99 a bottle ($1.99 in Calif). It's really not bad, though it has no snob appeal and certainly doesn't compare with the $14.99 stuff. I don't believe it is organic though. -- Heidi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2003 Report Share Posted October 3, 2003 At 10:18 AM 10/3/2003, you wrote: >It's true that REAL beer is easy to find...but I'm not so crazy about beer. Plus, there's the gluten/grain issue (it's been almost five days!!! wow!!! I surprise even myself!!!) I'm putting together a kefir-beer how to. Kefir beer is about as addicting as regular beer, lower calorie and lower alcohol. I'm perfecting the method to make it EASY. -- Heidi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2003 Report Share Posted October 4, 2003 That is interesting about the pepto bismol. It has been many years maybe 15 or more since I stopped taking any meds for headache (or anything for that matter)I wonder if part of my tummy problem is colitis? How would I find out? My headaches stared when I was 3 years old and I was twirling round and round to make myself dizzy! From then on I had all kinds of headaches on a weekly basis. Mostly lasting 3 or more days! I had 3 brothers and only one of them had headaches like me. Some of my favorite foods were foods known to trigger a headache! My mom and dad never had a headache in their life! Kinda interesting I think. After I stopped the meds one of the things I would do is lay in a blackened room with heat on one side of my head and ice on the other! Sometimes it would work and sometimes it wouldn't. ~Del > > >younger I would take very > >high doses of valium and vicodin to get rid of it. Before that I took > >aspirin and advil. Did that for too many years. Til I got smart and > >started declining all meds and started using foods as my medicine. > > Dr. Fine has done a lot of work on the biology of the colon, and his > take is that microscopic colitis is caused by NSAIDS (non steroidal > pain relievers, like Advil). I don't know why he says this, or what > they do, but he puts people on a " Pepto Bismol routine " (about 10 > days of pepto daily, 3x a day I think but I don't remember exactly). > He wrote that this generally cleared up the colitis, but then if it > came back it was probably from food allergy. > > > >I also joined the Headache Foundation and got newsletters which printed > >letters from people that told what they were doing and I learned a > >lot about the right and wrong foods for me. Be a detective and listen > >to your own body. I believe hormones also play a part. Maybe since I > >am past menopause that has been a factor in no more headaches for me. > > Mine started at puberty and started getting more frequent with > perimenopause ... definitely hormones! I did biofeedback as > a teenager and that seemed to get rid of the PAIN though ... > they switched from excruciating to mainly eyesight problems. > Now they are mostly going away since I'm healthier. > > -- Heidi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2003 Report Share Posted October 4, 2003 >That is interesting about the pepto bismol. It has been many years >maybe 15 or more since I stopped taking any meds for headache (or >anything for that matter)I wonder if part of my tummy problem is >colitis? How would I find out? A good gastro can do a good diagnosis. Although with gluten problems the diagnosis takes an average of 11 years (!). The people who really work at diagnosing gut problems do things like have you swallow a camera, or take biopsies, which work pretty well. In my experience, unless you are really sick they call it IBS and send you home. >My headaches stared when I was 3 years old and I was twirling round >and round to make myself dizzy! From then on I had all kinds of >headaches on a weekly basis. Mostly lasting 3 or more days! I had 3 >brothers and only one of them had headaches like me. Some of my >favorite foods were foods known to trigger a headache! My mom and dad >never had a headache in their life! Kinda interesting I think. After >I stopped the meds one of the things I would do is lay in a blackened >room with heat on one side of my head and ice on the other! Sometimes >it would work and sometimes it wouldn't. You poor kid! 3 day headaches I think are called something else, not migraines. When I was 14 I read a book on self-hypnosis, and how people could avoid the pain of migraines by concentrating on blood flow to their hands. So next time I got one, I played the piano for the whole thing (I could play without looking at my hands, so the lack of eyesight wasn't a problem). By , it worked! Then I tried the same thing with the flute (recorder) which also worked. Then all I had to do was THINK about playing the piano. Now I spend all day at the keyboard, so who knows ... anyway, painkillers never helped, so I've never taken many of them. Going through that at 3 though is just too sad. I hate to see kids in pain! Or even think about it. -- Heidi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2003 Report Share Posted October 4, 2003 I learned to tolerate pain very well. I hid my pain well. At age 3, it is hard to say what is wrong. I needed glasses also but thought everyone saw the way I did. It wasn't until I was a teenager that a neighbor noticed me reading and suggested I needed glasses! I tried acupunture and pressing on a " spot " on the thumb. I think I remember trying hyponosis one time...nothing worked. Maybe you are thinking of cluster headaches or rebound headaches. I think I had all the different kinds. But mostly the kind that make you want to stick a hot poker through your head! It's good to hear that some of those ways to rid yourself of a headache, acturally worked for some people! Good for you! Yeah, pills don't work. They will get you in the end! I have also read a lot that low magnesium is also a cause for a headache. There is a web site with a forum that gives good info about that. A doctor is there helping people. If someone wants the address, let me know. Sounds like a gastro is out! Thanks for all the info! ~Del > > >That is interesting about the pepto bismol. It has been many years > >maybe 15 or more since I stopped taking any meds for headache (or > >anything for that matter)I wonder if part of my tummy problem is > >colitis? How would I find out? > > A good gastro can do a good diagnosis. Although with gluten problems > the diagnosis takes an average of 11 years (!). The people who really > work at diagnosing gut problems do things like have you swallow > a camera, or take biopsies, which work pretty well. In my experience, > unless you are really sick they call it IBS and send you home. > > >My headaches stared when I was 3 years old and I was twirling round > >and round to make myself dizzy! From then on I had all kinds of > >headaches on a weekly basis. Mostly lasting 3 or more days! I had 3 > >brothers and only one of them had headaches like me. Some of my > >favorite foods were foods known to trigger a headache! My mom and dad > >never had a headache in their life! Kinda interesting I think. After > >I stopped the meds one of the things I would do is lay in a blackened > >room with heat on one side of my head and ice on the other! Sometimes > >it would work and sometimes it wouldn't. > > You poor kid! 3 day headaches I think are called something else, > not migraines. When I was 14 I read a book on self-hypnosis, and how > people could avoid the pain of migraines by concentrating on blood > flow to their hands. So next time I got one, I played the piano for the > whole thing (I could play without looking at my hands, so the lack > of eyesight wasn't a problem). By , it worked! Then I tried > the same thing with the flute (recorder) which also worked. Then all > I had to do was THINK about playing the piano. Now I spend all > day at the keyboard, so who knows ... anyway, painkillers never helped, > so I've never taken many of them. > > Going through that at 3 though is just too sad. I hate to see kids > in pain! Or even think about it. > > -- Heidi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2003 Report Share Posted October 6, 2003 Heidi--this is exactly what I meant--homemade half wine half seltzer. You can order this at restaurants, too. ***************************** The spritzers are made almost like soda pop, sometimes. Horrid stuff in them! What they do in Spain is to add " fizz water " -- use half wine and half mineral water or just plain carbonated water. That makes it less strong without adding sugar. -- Heidi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2003 Report Share Posted October 6, 2003 If I am in the mood for any kind of pure fruit juice I always cut it with a good mineral water. Thanks for the excellent tip on wine. -Vee > Heidi--this is exactly what I meant--homemade half wine half seltzer. You can order this at restaurants, too. > > > > ***************************** > > > The spritzers are made almost like soda pop, sometimes. Horrid stuff in them! What they do in Spain is to add " fizz water " -- use half wine and half mineral water or just plain carbonated water. That makes it less strong without adding sugar. > > -- Heidi > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2003 Report Share Posted October 6, 2003 >Heidi--this is exactly what I meant--homemade half wine half seltzer. You can order this at restaurants, too. > > OK, I take it all back then. -- Heidi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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