Alkaline water

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> ,

>

> Getting the right kind of system can make all the difference. Here's

> a link:

>

> http://gobeyondorganic.com/health1.html

>

> The machine separates water into acid water and alkaline water. The

> acid water isn't edible. It's very beneficial for external uses. The

> alkaline water is what you use for drinking (and cooking, etc., too).

> It has a very highly negative charge and takes acid waste deposites

> that have accumulated in the tissues out of the body, which is why it

> takes many, many years off the appearance of people who've been

> drinking it.

>

> n

n, is this what you are refering to: ?

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What Kind Of Water Ionizer Should I Buy? There are many water ionizers

(alkalizers) on the market. Almost all of them are flow-through types, which

hook up to the faucet and produce instant alkaline water. These machines do

not produce the negative charge or redox potential that is needed to restore

health and prevent disease, because the water that is being put into them is

too highly positively charged.

Normal tap water has a charge of +400mv, while mineral water has a charge of

+200mv, which is why mineral water is better for you than ordinary tap

water. The flow-through alkalizers produce water that is still positively

charged at around +50mv. The flow-through systems just do not process the

water long enough for it to be medicinally useful. Why buy a shoddy

substitute that doesn¹t produce the desired results?

It is reported that positive ions create depressed moods while negative ions

provide euphoria. There is a theory that negative ions increase alkalinity

in the body while positive ions increase acidity. As we know, the water

molecules are split into H+ and OH- . Alkaline water contains more OH- ions.

Since our bodies need the negatively charged OH- ions to neutralize and

dispose of acidic wastes,3 only alkaline water that comes from a batch -

type alkalizer, with a charge around -250mv would do the job. The alkalizers

that are being used in the Japanese hospitals produce negatively charged

water, around -250mv, and this is the water that the Japanese doctors have

been using to treat adult diseases.

Yoshiaka Matsuo, PhD, the inventor of the water ionizer said, " In my own

opinion, redox potential (negative ionic charge) is a more important factor

to good health than pH. The importance of pH is overemphasized. " You do not

get the -250mv water from a flow through system. This is why the batch type

water ionizer is the only one worth buying.

"

Do you use one of these units erinn or have any expeirance with it. do you

think the flow through ones are not so good?

Regards

Steve

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I have to say that I simply don't understand it. That doesn't mean

it's wrong, but I can't comprehend it yet for the following reasons.

> The right water, able to do the job properly is necessary. Ionized

alkaline

> water is able to neutralize the acidic waste by binding it in order

to drain

> it.

If by alkaline they mean " basic " , i.e. having a pH above 7, that is a

function of the hydroxide concentration of the water. Yes,

hydroxides are negatively charged, but they don't bind acid wastes.

They bind the hydrogen ions that ionize from acids, and neutralize

them by forming water molecules. The actual waste products would be

the conjugate bases of the acids, which are negatively charged, and

cannot be bound by another negatively charged particle.

> In view of these facts there is no doubt, that drinking alkaline

ionized

> water is better than taking calcium or other alkaline tablets.

Calcium is an alkaline, but it is not basic. All metals have acidic

properties if they are not neutral, and none of them have basic

properties. Basic is the opposite of acid, not alkaline. They seem

to be conflating the two. The negative charges they mention earlier

and the high pH they mention later are both basic properties, not

alkaline.

> The positive side effect of drinking alkaline water is that it does

not take

> precious alkaline substance from the body like calcium, potassium,

magnesium

> and sodium.

As opposed to what? Acidic water, or water deficient in alkaline

substances? Consumption of acids does no such thing, the theory is

bunk, and it is thoroughly disproved by Price's research. On the

other hand, if they mean water higher in alkaline metals like Ca and

Mg, then clearly this would have a net effect of increasing your

alkaline metal intake over water that does not have those metals.

>

> Here are three reason that we have to drink ionized water.

>

> First of all ionized water is a powerful liquid anti-oxidant that

is easily

> absorbed into the body. The water also neutralizes free radicals.

Free

> radical damage causes us to age faster, and is largely responsible

for many

> diseases including cancer, eczema, diabetes, hypertension.

Interesting, but I don't follow why it does this.

> Secondly, ionized water is alkaline water, which maintains and

balances our

> body pH bu abundant magnesium, calcium, natrium, kalium. A proper

body

> pH(6.9 ~ 7.2) creates an environment which deters bacteria,

inflammation and

> disease.

It is nothing less than total bunk that net acid/base intake

determines the alkalinity of the blood.

The " body " DOES NOT HAVE A PH. The extracellular fluid in the blood

is slightly basic, the cytosol in the cell is neutral, and pockets

within the cell are extremely acidic compared to the extracellular

blood fluid. The pH is around 7.2 outside the cell, but in the acid

pockets such as the lysosomes is 5! IOW, the lysosomes in every cell

are 100 times as acidic as neutral water, while the blood is only 1.6

times as basic as neutral water. Considering that lysosomes are

abundant in cells and that the cytosol of the cell is neutral and not

basic, and considering that there are other areas of the body which

are extremely acidic such as the stomach (around pH 2) while alkaline

areas of the body are only mildly alkaline (like pH around 8 in the

intestines)I can only imagine that the combined environment of the

body is net acid, not net basic.

Granted, there is not combined environment of the body, but a great

many environments controlled by homestatic mechanisms to be certain

pHs.

> Lastly, the molecular structure is smaller than that of regular tap

water.

> Tap water cluster contain 10 ~ 13 molecules opposed to the 5 ~ 6

molecules

> of ionized water. This small size allows more hydration and better

> detoxification.

This sounds like a good thing, but has nothing to do with the pH of

the water. Prill water is supposed to be like this too. I havne't

used it but have heard great things about it.

It sounds like this might be good stuff, but if it is, I doubt it has

anything to do with its pH, but rather it's cluster size and perhaps

the presence of some of the metals in it.

Chris

[Guest guest]

>

> > ,

> >

> > Getting the right kind of system can make all the difference.

Here's

> > a link:

> >

> > http://gobeyondorganic.com/health1.html

> >

> > The machine separates water into acid water and alkaline water.

The

> > acid water isn't edible. It's very beneficial for external uses.

The

> > alkaline water is what you use for drinking (and cooking, etc.,

too).

> > It has a very highly negative charge and takes acid waste

deposites

> > that have accumulated in the tissues out of the body, which is

why it

> > takes many, many years off the appearance of people who've been

> > drinking it.

> >

> > n

>

> n, is this what you are refering to: ?

=======> Yes.

> "

> What Kind Of Water Ionizer Should I Buy? There are many water

ionizers

> (alkalizers) on the market. Almost all of them are flow-through

types, which

> hook up to the faucet and produce instant alkaline water. These

machines do

> not produce the negative charge or redox potential that is needed

to restore

> health and prevent disease, because the water that is being put

into them is

> too highly positively charged.

>

> Normal tap water has a charge of +400mv, while mineral water has a

charge of

> +200mv, which is why mineral water is better for you than ordinary

tap

> water. The flow-through alkalizers produce water that is still

positively

> charged at around +50mv. The flow-through systems just do not

process the

> water long enough for it to be medicinally useful. Why buy a shoddy

> substitute that doesn¹t produce the desired results?

>

> It is reported that positive ions create depressed moods while

negative ions

> provide euphoria. There is a theory that negative ions increase

alkalinity

> in the body while positive ions increase acidity. As we know, the

water

> molecules are split into H+ and OH- . Alkaline water contains more

OH- ions.

> Since our bodies need the negatively charged OH- ions to neutralize

and

> dispose of acidic wastes,3 only alkaline water that comes from a

batch -

> type alkalizer, with a charge around -250mv would do the job. The

alkalizers

> that are being used in the Japanese hospitals produce negatively

charged

> water, around -250mv, and this is the water that the Japanese

doctors have

> been using to treat adult diseases.

>

> Yoshiaka Matsuo, PhD, the inventor of the water ionizer said, " In

my own

> opinion, redox potential (negative ionic charge) is a more

important factor

> to good health than pH. The importance of pH is overemphasized. "

You do not

> get the -250mv water from a flow through system. This is why the

batch type

> water ionizer is the only one worth buying.

> "

> Do you use one of these units erinn or have any expeirance with it.

=======> Yes. However, right now all my body seems to want is

traditional foods, so I'm just concentrating on that for now. That's

the *foundation* of health. Good food.

do you

> think the flow through ones are not so good?

=======> Right. I agree that the batch type seems to be the only one

really worth buying.

>

> Regards

>

> Steve

[Guest guest]

,

I'll try to go through this and clarify any terminology, which will

probably be more succint than you trying to research the terminology.

The opposite of acid is basic. I do not understand the use

of " alkaline " as interchangeable with " basic, " and I asked my bio

teacher and she said she had no idea and to ask a chemistry teacher--

I haven't done that yet, but since it is only in non-chemistry texts

that this is used, I'm going to consider it a colloquilism which

confuses the issue, and won't use it here.

Again, the opposite of acid is base. pH is a measurement of the

hydrogen ion concentration of a solution. A hydrogen ion is a

positively charged hydrogen atom.

The magnitude of pH is inverse to the hydrogen concentration. In

other words, if the pH is low, that means there's lots of hydrogen,

and if the pH is high, that means there's little hydrogen.

This is a measure of concentration, not amount. So if there are

500 " moles " (a measure of quantity) of hydrogen ions in a liter of

water, the pH is much lower (more acid) than if the same number of

moles of hydrogen ions is in two liters of water.

Since hydrogen ions are positively charged, hereafter I'll refer to

them as H+ ions.

A hydroxide ion is a negatively charged oxygen-hydrogen molecule. I

will hereafter refer to them as OH- ions.

If you notice, if water is H2O, then that means one H+ ion and one OH-

ion can come together to form water.

Conversely, water has a tendency to ionize in very small amounts into

H+ and OH- ions.

For thsi reason, the concentration of H+ ions is inverse to the

concentration of OH- ions. Large amounts of H+ ions will cause some

to bind the OH- ions and become water.

If a solution has lots of OH- ions it is basic. If a solution has

lots of H+ ions it is acid. This is compared to water. Water has

it's own H+ and OH- concentrations, but it is designated

as " neutral, " even though it can act as either an acid or a base. So

if something is " acidic " that means it is more acidic than water

(higher H+ concentration), and if something is " basic " that means it

is more basic than water (lower H+ concentration, or higher OH-

concentration).

As to " alkaline, " certain metals are considered alkaline earth

metals. These are the elements that are in the second column of the

periodic table. This use of " alkaline " has nothing whatsoever to do

with acid/base.

More explanation below.

> If by alkaline they mean " basic " , i.e. having a pH above 7, that is

a

> function of the hydroxide concentration of the water. Yes,

> hydroxides are negatively charged, but they don't bind acid

wastes.

> They bind the hydrogen ions that ionize from acids, and neutralize

> them by forming water molecules. The actual waste products would

be

> the conjugate bases of the acids, which are negatively charged, and

> cannot be bound by another negatively charged particle.

>

> > In view of these facts there is no doubt, that drinking alkaline

> ionized

> > water is better than taking calcium or other alkaline tablets.

>

> Calcium is an alkaline, but it is not basic. All metals have

acidic

> properties if they are not neutral, and none of them have basic

> properties.

Some metals can join lots and lots of water molecules to themselves.

When water molecules join to a metal ion (any positively charged

metal is a metal ion), the bonds of water get weaker, and they are

more likely to ionize. Since the OH- half of the water molecule

sticks to the metal, while the H+ half is released freely into the

solution, the H+ concentration increases and makes the solution more

acidic.

This is called hydrolysis (not to be confused with the hydrolysis

that happens in digestion), and usually only occurs to a significant

extent with heavier metal ions, rather then the lighter ones such as

calcium (Ca).

Thus, the presence of metals such as Ca and magnesium (Mg) in water,

has no effect on the pH, and metals will never make a solution less

acidic, only more acidic.

Basic is the opposite of acid, not alkaline. They seem

> to be conflating the two. The negative charges they mention earlier

> and the high pH they mention later are both basic properties, not

> alkaline.

This should make sense in view of the introductory explanation I gave.

> > The positive side effect of drinking alkaline water is that it

does

> not take

> > precious alkaline substance from the body like calcium,

potassium,

> magnesium

> > and sodium.

>

> As opposed to what? Acidic water, or water deficient in alkaline

> substances? Consumption of acids does no such thing, the theory is

> bunk, and it is thoroughly disproved by Price's research. On the

> other hand, if they mean water higher in alkaline metals like Ca

and

> Mg, then clearly this would have a net effect of increasing your

> alkaline metal intake over water that does not have those metals.

Again, this should be clearer with the explanations I gave. They

seem to be using " alkaline " in the colloquial form where it

means " basic, " in other words it is the opposite of acidic.

Some people think that whether you consume more acid-producing foods

or more base-producing foods determines your mineral levels and

skeletal health. This is 100% a total load of crap.

The fact is that in addition to having a high pH (being basic, or

less acid), the water has minerals in it. I'm just pointing out here

that if you consume more minerals, this would have a positive effect

on your mineral balances, which is completely indpendent of the pH of

the water.

> The " body " DOES NOT HAVE A PH. The extracellular fluid in the

blood

> is slightly basic, the cytosol in the cell is neutral, and pockets

> within the cell are extremely acidic compared to the extracellular

> blood fluid. The pH is around 7.2 outside the cell, but in the

acid

> pockets such as the lysosomes is 5! IOW, the lysosomes in every

cell

> are 100 times as acidic as neutral water, while the blood is only

1.6

> times as basic as neutral water. Considering that lysosomes are

> abundant in cells and that the cytosol of the cell is neutral and

not

> basic, and considering that there are other areas of the body which

> are extremely acidic such as the stomach (around pH 2) while

alkaline

> areas of the body are only mildly alkaline (like pH around 8 in the

> intestines)I can only imagine that the combined environment of the

> body is net acid, not net basic.

Cytosol is the fluid inside of a cell where all the organelles are.

One of the organelles is lysosomes. These are pockets of enzymes

that digest food inside the cells. They have a pH of 5. By

extracellular fluid I mean the fluid in the blood which is outside

the cells that are in the blood.

Every point on the pH scale represents a factor of 10. So a pH of 6

is ten times more acidic than a pH of 7. A pH of 5 is 100 times more

acidic than a pH of 7. A pH of 4 is 1000 times more acidic than a pH

of 7. A pH of 3 is 10000 times mroe acidic than a pH of 7. Et

cetera.

So,the difference in pH between the lysosomes and the cytosol is a

factor of 100, whereas the difference in pH between the extracellular

blood fluid and the cytosol (which is neutral) is only 60% more basic

(less acidic), because it is not even 1 point on the pH scale. IOW

it is not even twice as basic, where as the lysosomes are 100 times

as acidic.

I hope this clears up some terminology.

Chris