Re: naturopathic VET recommendation needed, please and THANKS!

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At 09:13 PM 9/29/2003, you wrote:

>I NEED A VET WHO WILL CONFIRM THE PROBIOTIC TREATMENT I AM CERTAIN THE DOG

NEEDS. ALSO, IT IS POSSIBLE he has worms. stool tests in progress. (what ELSE

does he need? God grant wisdom and KNOWLEDGE.) (HELP!!!!!) [and i was sent to

NATIVE-NUTRITION :-).]

What is the dog eating? First and formost -- get him off GRAINS! They put grains

in dog food and it is awful for the poor dogs. Esp. wheat, and esp. wheat

gluten. Barley isn't good either. And sure, parasites could be a problem too,

but they will show up in the tests, other dietary issues might not.

Kefir is the one all-around easy, cheap and effective probiotic, and a lot of

dog owners feed it to their pets. I'll be happy to send you some of my grains,

which aren't the usual kefir but they make great animal food (people food too,

for gourmets :--) Email me privately.

I'm not the dog expert though ... I'm sure Suze will chip in here ...

== Heidi

[Guest guest]

>>>> And sure, parasites could be a problem too, but they will show up in

the tests, other dietary issues might not.

---->actually, they don't always show up in tests, unfortunately. so, if the

dog tests negative for worms and other parasites it doesn't mean that he

doesnt' have them.

Suze Fisher

Lapdog Design, Inc.

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heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times. " --

Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt

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[Guest guest]

>>>>i know MUCH BETTER THAN BEFORE i received y'alls' advice in this group

about my leaky gut battle, what some of the treatment could be for my

family's pet with colinitis (the apparently non-naturopathic vet is calling

it). he (the dog) has been passing large amounts of mucous with his

diarrhea, and is beginning to vomit too (NOT a good sign at all when both

ends of body are suffering at same time!!!!!).

------>that could possibly be an allergic reaction to a certain food, a

bacterial overgrowth or colitis, in my opinion. my dog had that a year and a

half ago, but she had blood spurting out of her anus, and her mouth too,

IIRC. vets thought it was an allergic reaction to venison. i don't think it

was - i think it was clostridium perfringens overgrowth, as she had many of

the other symptoms, and she responded to an antibiotic that's specific to

that type of bacteria and others in its class. but i had to research and

recommend this antibiotic (tylan) to my vet because he didn't know what was

wrong with her and was giving her a different antitbiotic that wasn't doing

anything. she responded to the tylan pretty quickly. i think c. perfringens

overgrowth is pretty common, and if your vet rules out all else, i'd

recommed treating the dog as if he has c. perfringens overgrowth. you can in

fact get him tested for it. there's a lab out west that your vet can send a

stool sample to. i have their site and order form bookmarked, if you need

it. all you have to do is collect a stool sample and give it and the

paperwork to your vet and s/he'd send it to the lab. it's a much more

sophisticated test than vets have in their office, so is much more reliable

at determining whether the dogs has a c. perfringens overgrowth.

i would first fast this dog, but IMPORTANT - get plenty of *liquids* into

him to replenish lost fluids and electrolytes. Let his gut rest for at least

a day with no solid food. I would also get him on a probiotic ASAP - i would

start with primal defense, and if it doesn't help, then try a different one.

after liquid fasting him for a day, i'd give him just ONE type of food in

very small amounts the next day, such as boiled chicken or hamburger. i'd

also pick up some slippery elm from the HFS, mix it with some water and a

dab of honey, and make sure he drinks it, you can squirt it into his mouth

with a needless syringe that you can get from your vet. slippery elm is

wonderful for healing the digestive tract.

but i'd also get him professional help from a holistic vet as soon as

possible. here's an online national directory for the American Holistic

Veterinary Medical Association:

http://www.ahvma.org/states_and_directory/directory.html

there are listings in maryland. oh, and if you want to get more advice from

an email group similar to this but focused on holistic health for pets, i'd

recommend subscribing to wellpet.

http://www.listservice.net/wellpet/subscribe.htm (just click on " subscribe "

then " send " )

>>>>my family LOVES this creature. who knows but that God in his GOODNESS

has sent them this pet they love so much to teach them about natural

healing?

------>maybe...i'm certain that the dog i lost to cancer was my greatest

teacher of health and healing. if he hadn't become deathly ill, i probably

wouldn't be here on this forum, and i think my own health would be pretty

bad at this point. his suffering spurned my interest in alternative healing.

>>>ALSO, IT IS POSSIBLE he has worms. stool tests in progress.

---->did they get the results yet? The vet would probalby put him on a

dewormer, if the problem is worms. I would let him do that because the

immediate priority is to stop the vommiting and mucous eminating from his

body, which i think is far more dangerous than a dewormer. however, i'd also

give him liver support if he's on any drugs - dewormer or otherwise. I have

a powerful ayurvedic liver support product that i use called LiverCare, but

you could pick up some milk thistle in your HFS. i'd also give him lipoic

acid too, as it's a great liver detoxifier and helps the body in many other

ways, to boot. the liver support herbs are to help his body detoxify from

the drugs the vet gives, of course.

best of luck!

Suze Fisher

Lapdog Design, Inc.

Web Design & Development

http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg

Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

http://www.westonaprice.org

----------------------------

" The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause

heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times. " --

Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt

University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher.

The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics

<http://www.thincs.org>

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