Re: Milk Thistle

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Could someone help me please, I'd like to use this. Is their a besttime to give, what sort of doses are used? Also any side effectsexperienced?

>>I used it when chelating, 2 x 150mg (Kirkman brand) I think per day which I think is lower than Andy C recommended supps but I always remember something Willis mentioned years ago - Milk Thistle speeds up Phase I of liver detox - which is a good thing if its sluggish but not if it tends to fast and Phase II can't keep up. I think you can have tests for this but I never did.

Anyways, Willis felt (although AC as I recall disagreed) that when you speed up Phase I of liver detox process with Milk Thistle you can deplete essential fatty acids. I don't recall the reasoning but there will be some. Because when we first started chelation we were using GSE for yeast, and GSE slows down Phase I of liver detox - which is why using GSE is not a good idea for kids on SSRI meds, anyway my probably misguided but logical thoughts were that one would cancel out the other on speed/slow so the net effective would be no change.

Now, I remember lots of bits of lots of things but rarely the whole thing LOL unless I feel its acutely important to Sam or could be for much of the community (like chelation protocols).

Anybody know a link to Willis latest version of Managing Autism?

Mandi x

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Hi Mandi,

I used it when chelating, 2 x 150mg (Kirkman brand) I think per day which I think is lower than Andy C recommended supps but I always remember something Willis mentioned years ago - Milk Thistle speeds up Phase I of liver detox - which is a good thing if its sluggish but not if it tends to fast and Phase II can't keep up. I think you can have tests for this but I never did. Great, I've got Kirkman 100mg. We've actually been recommended by Lorene to use it to help Norman detox as he will be having a general anaesthetic next Wednesday, so to support his liver with this.

Anyways, Willis felt (although AC as I recall disagreed) that when you speed up Phase I of liver detox process with Milk Thistle you can deplete essential fatty acids. I don't recall the reasoning but there will be some. Because when we first started chelation we were using GSE for yeast, and GSE slows down Phase I of liver detox - which is why using GSE is not a good idea for kids on SSRI meds, anyway my probably misguided but logical thoughts were that one would cancel out the other on speed/slow so the net effective would be no change.So GSE will slow phase I detox and Milk Thistle will speed it up. Have I understood correctly? If so, this is significant as we are using GSE now, so I should really stop this and use another antifungal? Now, I remember lots of bits of lots of things but rarely the whole thing LOL unless I feel its acutely important to Sam or could be for much of the community (like chelation protocols). I don't know about the lots of bits and lots of things, I think it is amazing how you remember all of this, I have to go back time and time again to read the same thing and even then not much will stick. Anybody know a link to Willis latest version of Managing Autism?

Do you mean "A Comprehensive Guide to Mastering Autism (Nov 1999-2006)" or is this a different one?

Thanks very much,

emily xx Mandi x>> > > > Could someone help me please, I'd like to use this. Is their a best> time to give, what sort of doses are used? Also any side effects> experienced?> > > > >>I used it when chelating, 2 x 150mg (Kirkman brand) I think per day which > I think is lower than Andy C recommended supps but I always remember > something Willis mentioned years ago - Milk Thistle speeds up Phase I of liver detox > - which is a good thing if its sluggish but not if it tends to fast and Phase > II can't keep up. I think you can have tests for this but I never did. > > Anyways, Willis felt (although AC as I recall disagreed) that when you speed > up Phase I of liver detox process with Milk Thistle you can deplete > essential fatty acids. I don't recall the reasoning but there will be some. Because > when we first started chelation we were using GSE for yeast, and GSE slows > down Phase I of liver detox - which is why using GSE is not a good idea for kids > on SSRI meds, anyway my probably misguided but logical thoughts were that > one would cancel out the other on speed/slow so the net effective would be no > change.> > Now, I remember lots of bits of lots of things but rarely the whole thing > LOL unless I feel its acutely important to Sam or could be for much of the > community (like chelation protocols). > > Anybody know a link to Willis latest version of Managing Autism?> > Mandi x>

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>> > > So GSE will slow phase I detox and Milk Thistle will speed it up. Have I > understood correctly? If so, this is significant as we are using GSE now, so I > should really stop this and use another antifungal? > > >>>Deffo the GSE slowing down Phase I, need to check Willis paper about the > Milk Thistle speeding up but I am pretty sure of that. Loads of folks use GSE > without issue - is he off AED's? You see without knowing whether his liver > is functioning with equal speed on Phase 1 & 2 its difficult to make any > decision. Memory is bleeping now- I think the test means a challenge with summat I > didn't wnat Sam to take and then assesing how the liver coped with it - > maybe caffiene, thats why I didn't have the test I think.> Yep, he has been off AED's for a whole year, yippeee!!, so no worries with the GSE and milk thistle affecting AED's here.> Lorene knows whats she doing and the reaosns she is giving it make sense. I > would just follow her instructions on this. > good!> Severe depeletion of MB12 is a factor with some froms of GA - I think its > the Nitrous Oxide but maybe google that one. There was something on this in the > files at CK2, I am not a member there anymore so can;t access but maybe you > or somebody you know is? > okay, thanks I'll look into this one on google. Anyone out there a member of CK2 who may be able to have a look for me? > > > I don't know about the lots of bits and lots of things, I think it is > amazing how you remember all of this, I have to go back time and time again to read > the same thing and even then not much will stick. > >>I am like that, later you'll be fascinated by how much you actually > remember - I promise!> > > Do you mean "A Comprehensive Guide to Mastering Autism (Nov 1999-2006)" or > is this a different one?> >>yes thats it - sounds recent enough - he made the file so you can search > the text on it - see what hits you get for Phase 1, Phase II, Milk Thistle. > Ours must have been 100mg also because Kirkman only make one size> You're right, lots of this on there about Milk thistle speeding up Phase I

thanks, much appreciated

emily xx> Mandi x>