Re: Can anti-VSC & pro-VSC come together?

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Well said Jamey,  as a CBP doc and fellow Life grad(East) I see your point and agree that peace between groups must be found under the umbrella of scientific validity. I pray this happens and we docs can try to make it happen.  I like your analogy to general dentistry and orthodontics..

Schneider DCPDX

 

Group,

I've been reading the anti-vertebral subluxation literature (http://chiromt.com/). Just so you know, I come from a VSC school (Life) and have practiced with a VSC paradigm. Chiropractic philosophy is one of the reasons I love chiropractic. However, I also value science and understanding human physiology and evidence-based care. Over the years, through CBP seminars, Chestnut's wellness program, and other sources, I've become much more scientific-minded and less dogmatic.

When reading the anti-VSC papers, I can't help but agree with much of what is said. Call me crazy, but it seems like these guys have more in common with a VSC-based scientific group like CBP, than differences. Both groups want to focus on improving human health by focusing on treating the spine in evidence-based ways. Both groups want to gain acceptance as portal of entry experts for care of the human spine. Both want to practice based on truth and NOT dogma. I'm just not understanding why these groups can't come together under the uniting umbrella of good science.

Just some thoughts... Using the dental profession as a model, I can see 2 types of chiropractors in the future healthcare system. One is like general dentistry - they take care of acute problems and do preventive care. The other group is like orthodontists - they focus on correcting curves and posture. Both groups also promote overall health via eat well, move well, and think well, but their primary focus is spinal care. The 2 types have great respect for each other's role and work as an integral part of the healthcare system. Treatment is based on what works to improve the physiology of a patient and not on dogma.

We have to come together as a profession and unite under a common science-based approach to being spinal care experts, otherwise the physical therapy profession is going to quickly fill the void. I believe the OCA and Dr. Saboe are moving in this direction here in Oregon politically and legislatively. I just want to see it happening at the institutional, research, and clinical level in our profession.

Jamey Dyson, DC, CCWP

-- Schneider DC PDX

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Jamey

Great analogy with the dental profession. I love being an orthodontist.

   

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-- Re: Can anti-VSC & pro-VSC come together?

Well said Jamey, as a CBP doc and fellow Life grad(East) I see your point and agree that peace between groups must be found under the umbrella of scientific validity. I pray this happens and we docs can try to make it happen. I like your analogy to general dentistry and orthodontics.. Schneider DCPDX

Group, I've been reading the anti-vertebral subluxation literature (http://chiromt.com/). Just so you know, I come from a VSC school (Life) and have practiced with a VSC paradigm. Chiropractic philosophy is one of the reasons I love chiropractic. However, I also value science and understanding human physiology and evidence-based care. Over the years, through CBP seminars, Chestnut's wellness program, and other sources, I've become much more scientific-minded and less dogmatic.When reading the anti-VSC papers, I can't help but agree with much of what is said. Call me crazy, but it seems like these guys have more in common with a VSC-based scientific group like CBP, than differences. Both groups want to focus on improving human health by focusing on treating the spine in evidence-based ways. Both groups want to gain acceptance as portal of entry experts for care of the human spine. Both want to practice based on truth and NOT dogma. I'm just not understanding why these groups can't come together under the uniting umbrella of good science.Just some thoughts... Using the dental profession as a model, I can see 2 types of chiropractors in the future healthcare system. One is like general dentistry - they take care of acute problems and do preventive care. The other group is like orthodontists - they focus on correcting curves and posture. Both groups also promote overall health via eat well, move well, and think well, but their primary focus is spinal care. The 2 types have great respect for each other's role and work as an integral part of the healthcare system. Treatment is based on what works to improve the physiology of a patient and not on dogma.We have to come together as a profession and unite under a common science-based approach to being spinal care experts, otherwise the physical therapy profession is going to quickly fill the void. I believe the OCA and Dr. Saboe are moving in this direction here in Oregon politically and legislatively. I just want to see it happening at the institutional, research, and clinical level in our profession.Jamey Dyson, DC, CCWP

-- Schneider DC PDX

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Dr. Dyson, Your interest in seeing a Chiropractic paradigm of " intelectual "

unity vis a vis proVSC and antiVSC is most commendable.

When I entered chiropractic school in 1972 (40 years ago), among the required

texts was:

" TEXT-BOOK OF THE SCIENCE, ART, AND PHILOSOPHY OF CHIROPRACTIC FOR STUDENTS AND

PRACTIONERS " by D.D. Palmer -The One Who Discovered The Basic Principle Of

Chiropractic, Developed Its Philosopy, Originated And Founded The Science And

Art Of Correcting Abnormal Functions By Hand Adjusting, Using The Vertebral

Processes As Levers

FOUNDED ON TONE

Portland, Oregon

Portland Printing House Company

[1910]

In the Preface to the Facsimile, D.D. Palmer's grandson, D. Palmer,

writes:

" Of all the great truths pertaining to the welfare of humanity, none is more

radiant with lasting promise than Palmer's Philosopy. It is my

fervent wish that this edition will help to UNIFY and STRENGHEN our profession,

as well as perpetuate my grandfather's brilliant and original study of the cause

and mystery of disease. "

" I believe this book will be a treasured and INSPIRING memory, reminding us of

the marvelous heritage that lies within our hands. "

January, 1966 D. Palmer

(emphasis mine)

The heading at the top of page 8 of this text reads: " The Science, Art, and

Philosophy of Chiropractic "

The 1st paragraph under that heading reads: " Science is knowledge reduced to law

and embodied in a system. Art relates to something to be done. Science teaches

us to know and art to do. The philosophy of a science is the undertanding of its

principles. "

Answer for yourself, doctors of chiropractic (collegues),what are the principles

of chiropractic?

Yours for the thot. john partmann, dc

January, 1966