Guest guest Posted April 24, 2012 Report Share Posted April 24, 2012 "High signal intensity (Grade 2-3) were found in...33% of the chronic neck pain group" That's good enough for me... Just because they found increased signal intensity in 40% of the control group does not mean Alar lig could not be causing pain in 60% of the rest of the population (i.e. just because disc bulges are routinely found in asymptomatic patients doesn't mean disc bulges are asymptomatic in all patients). Because as we know... There are lies, damn lies and statistics--Mark Twain (:-) M. s, D.C. Can Alar Ligament Injury Be Dectected By MRI? The excellent diagnostic skills of Dr. Wei notwithstanding, the imaging of ligament injuries in the upper cervical spine is controversial. The weight of the evidence indicates that injured tissue often cannot be distinguished from normal, thus calling into question the reasonableness and medical necessity of this procedure.The Bone and Joint Decade Task Force (Spine Volume 33, Number 4S, pp S101–S122) stated:The possible presence of demonstrable ligamentous injury to the upper cervical spine after whiplash exposure has been investigated with special sequence MRI. A phase I study (n = 30) showed that bright signals in the alar, transverse ligaments, and other structures have been observed more frequently in subjects with whiplash trauma exposure after 6 years (range, 2–9 years) than control subjects. However, the reliability of different observers in classifying the presence or degree of ligamentous injury, as shown by the MRI signal change, showed high variability. Validation of this finding as diagnosing bona fide, and clinically relevant ligamentous injury has not been demonstrated in these patients with WAD (grades I–III).They cited three articles by Krakenes, Kaale et al. Curiously, these researchers are about the only ones to purport validity for these imaging studies. The majority of studies indicate otherwise. Muhle et al (Rofo. 2002 Apr;174(4):416-22) discussed radiological aspects of the diagnosis of whiplash injuries. Although asymmetric dens position and widening of the atlantodental distance to > 12 mm are indirect signs of alar ligament rupture, best visualized on MRI, they state, "… changes of the alar ligaments on MRI must be differentiated from normal variants in healthy individuals."Bitterling et al (Rofo. 2007 Nov;179(11):1127-36), reviewed studies on biomechanics, anatomical and clinical MR imaging. They found that "biomechanical experiments can not induce according injuries of alar ligaments. Although MRI provides excellent visualization of alar ligaments, the range of normal variants is high." Furthermore, "… signal alterations of alar ligaments can hardly be differentiated from common normal variants," and "functional MRI provides no diagnostic yield." Myran et al (Spine. 2008 Aug 15;33(18):2012-6) performed a case-control study using MRI to assess signal intensity areas in the alar ligaments. 59 patients with persistent whiplash associated disorder Grade I-II after a car accident, 57 with chronic nontraumatic neck pain, and 57 without neck pain or previous neck trauma were compared. The alar ligaments were evaluated according to a 4-point grading scale. Alar ligament grades 0 to 3 were seen in all 3 diagnostic groups. Areas of high signal intensity (Grade 2-3) were found in at least one alar ligament in 49% of patients in the WAD Grade I-II group, in 33% of the chronic neck pain group, and in 40% of the controls. They concluded, "The previously reported assumption that these changes are due to a trauma itself is not supported by this study. The diagnostic value and the clinical relevance of magnetic resonance detectable areas of high intensity in the alar ligaments are questionable."Respectfully,J. Burke, D.C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2012 Report Share Posted April 24, 2012 All, ... and whether it is found or not, for the right case, having that cya MRI might be one of the best calls you ever make. Sunny ;'-))Sunny Kierstyn, RN DC Fibromyalgia Care Center of Oregon 2677 Willakenzie Road, 7CEugene, Oregon, 97401541- 654-0850; Fx; 541- 654-0834www.drsunnykierstyn.com To: oregondcs From: drbobdc83@...Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 16:33:05 -0700Subject: Re: Can Alar Ligament Injury Be Dectected By MRI? "High signal intensity (Grade 2-3) were found in...33% of the chronic neck pain group" That's good enough for me... Just because they found increased signal intensity in 40% of the control group does not mean Alar lig could not be causing pain in 60% of the rest of the population (i.e. just because disc bulges are routinely found in asymptomatic patients doesn't mean disc bulges are asymptomatic in all patients). Because as we know... There are lies, damn lies and statistics--Mark Twain (:-) M. s, D.C. Can Alar Ligament Injury Be Dectected By MRI? The excellent diagnostic skills of Dr. Wei notwithstanding, the imaging of ligament injuries in the upper cervical spine is controversial. The weight of the evidence indicates that injured tissue often cannot be distinguished from normal, thus calling into question the reasonableness and medical necessity of this procedure.The Bone and Joint Decade Task Force (Spine Volume 33, Number 4S, pp S101–S122) stated:The possible presence of demonstrable ligamentous injury to the upper cervical spine after whiplash exposure has been investigated with special sequence MRI. A phase I study (n = 30) showed that bright signals in the alar, transverse ligaments, and other structures have been observed more frequently in subjects with whiplash trauma exposure after 6 years (range, 2–9 years) than control subjects. However, the reliability of different observers in classifying the presence or degree of ligamentous injury, as shown by the MRI signal change, showed high variability. Validation of this finding as diagnosing bona fide, and clinically relevant ligamentous injury has not been demonstrated in these patients with WAD (grades I–III).They cited three articles by Krakenes, Kaale et al. Curiously, these researchers are about the only ones to purport validity for these imaging studies. The majority of studies indicate otherwise. Muhle et al (Rofo. 2002 Apr;174(4):416-22) discussed radiological aspects of the diagnosis of whiplash injuries. Although asymmetric dens position and widening of the atlantodental distance to > 12 mm are indirect signs of alar ligament rupture, best visualized on MRI, they state, "… changes of the alar ligaments on MRI must be differentiated from normal variants in healthy individuals."Bitterling et al (Rofo. 2007 Nov;179(11):1127-36), reviewed studies on biomechanics, anatomical and clinical MR imaging. They found that "biomechanical experiments can not induce according injuries of alar ligaments. Although MRI provides excellent visualization of alar ligaments, the range of normal variants is high." Furthermore, "… signal alterations of alar ligaments can hardly be differentiated from common normal variants," and "functional MRI provides no diagnostic yield." Myran et al (Spine. 2008 Aug 15;33(18):2012-6) performed a case-control study using MRI to assess signal intensity areas in the alar ligaments. 59 patients with persistent whiplash associated disorder Grade I-II after a car accident, 57 with chronic nontraumatic neck pain, and 57 without neck pain or previous neck trauma were compared. The alar ligaments were evaluated according to a 4-point grading scale. Alar ligament grades 0 to 3 were seen in all 3 diagnostic groups. Areas of high signal intensity (Grade 2-3) were found in at least one alar ligament in 49% of patients in the WAD Grade I-II group, in 33% of the chronic neck pain group, and in 40% of the controls. They concluded, "The previously reported assumption that these changes are due to a trauma itself is not supported by this study. The diagnostic value and the clinical relevance of magnetic resonance detectable areas of high intensity in the alar ligaments are questionable."Respectfully,J. Burke, D.C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2012 Report Share Posted April 25, 2012 If chiropractors want to be seen as cost-effective providers, we need to move away from this " cya " kind of thinking. Many diagnostic procedures, including MRI, have guidelines or clinical decision rules to determine when the procedure is necessary and when it is not. Adherence to these rules reduces overall costs, but more importantly they keep patients from undergoing unnecessary procedures that may lead to adverse consequences, either from the procedure itself (not so risky in the case of MRI) or from additional unnecessary diagnostic and treatment procedures when there are false positives. The haphazard ordering of unnecessary procedures just to keep our butts from hanging out there neither benefits patients nor enhances our image as authoritative players in the system. In the case of potential upper cervical ligament injury, why are so many chiropractors manipulating first and only sending patients for imaging later if " cya " is a big concern? J. Burke, D.C. > > > All, ... and whether it is found or not, for the right case, having that cya MRI might be one of the best calls you ever make. Sunny ;'-)) > > Sunny Kierstyn, RN DC > Fibromyalgia Care Center of Oregon > 2677 Willakenzie Road, 7C > Eugene, Oregon, 97401 > 541- 654-0850; Fx; 541- 654-0834 > www.drsunnykierstyn.com > To: oregondcs > From: drbobdc83@... > Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 16:33:05 -0700 > Subject: Re: Can Alar Ligament Injury Be Dectected By MRI? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " High signal intensity (Grade 2-3) were found in...33% > of the chronic neck pain group " That's good enough for me... > Just because they found increased signal intensity in 40% of the control group > does not mean Alar lig could not be causing pain in 60% of the > rest of the population (i.e. just because disc bulges are > routinely found in asymptomatic patients doesn't > mean disc bulges are asymptomatic in all patients). > > > Because as we know... There are lies, damn lies and statistics--Mark > Twain (:-) > > M. s, D.C. > > > > Can Alar > Ligament Injury Be Dectected By MRI? > > > > The excellent diagnostic skills of Dr. Wei notwithstanding, the imaging of > ligament injuries in the upper cervical spine is controversial. The weight of > the evidence indicates that injured tissue often cannot be distinguished from > normal, thus calling into question the reasonableness and medical necessity of > this procedure. > > The Bone and Joint Decade Task Force (Spine Volume 33, > Number 4S, pp S101–S122) stated: > > The possible presence of demonstrable > ligamentous injury to the upper cervical spine after whiplash exposure has > been investigated with special sequence MRI. A phase I study (n = 30) showed > that bright signals in the alar, transverse ligaments, and other structures > have been observed more frequently in subjects with whiplash trauma exposure > after 6 years (range, 2–9 years) than control subjects. However, the > reliability of different observers in classifying the presence or degree of > ligamentous injury, as shown by the MRI signal change, showed high > variability. Validation of this finding as diagnosing bona fide, and > clinically relevant ligamentous injury has not been demonstrated in these > patients with WAD (grades I–III). > > They cited three articles by > Krakenes, Kaale et al. Curiously, these researchers are about the only ones to > purport validity for these imaging studies. The majority of studies indicate > otherwise. > > Muhle et al (Rofo. 2002 Apr;174(4):416-22) discussed > radiological aspects of the diagnosis of whiplash injuries. Although > asymmetric dens position and widening of the atlantodental distance to > 12 > mm are indirect signs of alar ligament rupture, best visualized on MRI, they > state, " … changes of the alar ligaments on MRI must be differentiated from > normal variants in healthy individuals. " > > Bitterling et al (Rofo. 2007 > Nov;179(11):1127-36), reviewed studies on biomechanics, anatomical and > clinical MR imaging. They found that " biomechanical experiments can not induce > according injuries of alar ligaments. Although MRI provides excellent > visualization of alar ligaments, the range of normal variants is high. " > Furthermore, " … signal alterations of alar ligaments can hardly be > differentiated from common normal variants, " and " functional MRI provides no > diagnostic yield. " > Myran et al (Spine. 2008 Aug 15;33(18):2012-6) > performed a case-control study using MRI to assess signal intensity areas in > the alar ligaments. 59 patients with persistent whiplash associated disorder > Grade I-II after a car accident, 57 with chronic nontraumatic neck pain, and > 57 without neck pain or previous neck trauma were compared. The alar ligaments > were evaluated according to a 4-point grading scale. Alar ligament grades 0 to > 3 were seen in all 3 diagnostic groups. Areas of high signal intensity (Grade > 2-3) were found in at least one alar ligament in 49% of patients in the WAD > Grade I-II group, in 33% of the chronic neck pain group, and in 40% of the > controls. They concluded, " The previously reported assumption that these > changes are due to a trauma itself is not supported by this study. The > diagnostic value and the clinical relevance of magnetic resonance detectable > areas of high intensity in the alar ligaments are > questionable. " > > Respectfully, > > J. Burke, D.C. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2012 Report Share Posted April 25, 2012 MIchael. I send for this if a patient hasn't responded to U & C care, or if I do flexion/extension or lateral flexion motion xrays and see significant translation. It's not to just "cya". Most of these people have already been adjusted, and some of them have had previous work ups where the question of instability is not even asked. So......I guess there are times to do the tests, and maybe times to not do the tests. In my opinion and experience, the discretionary ordering of these tests IS appropriate. Knee jerk ordering of the test on every CAD isn't. Don White, RN, DC If chiropractors want to be seen as cost-effective providers, we need to move away from this "cya" kind of thinking. Many diagnostic procedures, including MRI, have guidelines or clinical decision rules to determine when the procedure is necessary and when it is not. Adherence to these rules reduces overall costs, but more importantly they keep patients from undergoing unnecessary procedures that may lead to adverse consequences, either from the procedure itself (not so risky in the case of MRI) or from additional unnecessary diagnostic and treatment procedures when there are false positives. The haphazard ordering of unnecessary procedures just to keep our butts from hanging out there neither benefits patients nor enhances our image as authoritative players in the system. In the case of potential upper cervical ligament injury, why are so many chiropractors manipulating first and only sending patients for imaging later if "cya" is a big concern?J. Burke, D.C. >> > All, ... and whether it is found or not, for the right case, having that cya MRI might be one of the best calls you ever make. Sunny ;'-))> > Sunny Kierstyn, RN DC > Fibromyalgia Care Center of Oregon > 2677 Willakenzie Road, 7C> Eugene, Oregon, 97401> 541- 654-0850; Fx; 541- 654-0834> www.drsunnykierstyn.com> To: oregondcs > Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 16:33:05 -0700> Subject: Re: Can Alar Ligament Injury Be Dectected By MRI?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "High signal intensity (Grade 2-3) were found in...33% > of the chronic neck pain group" That's good enough for me... > Just because they found increased signal intensity in 40% of the control group > does not mean Alar lig could not be causing pain in 60% of the > rest of the population (i.e. just because disc bulges are > routinely found in asymptomatic patients doesn't > mean disc bulges are asymptomatic in all patients). > > > Because as we know... There are lies, damn lies and statistics--Mark > Twain (:-)> > M. s, D.C. > > > > Can Alar > Ligament Injury Be Dectected By MRI?> > > > The excellent diagnostic skills of Dr. Wei notwithstanding, the imaging of > ligament injuries in the upper cervical spine is controversial. The weight of > the evidence indicates that injured tissue often cannot be distinguished from > normal, thus calling into question the reasonableness and medical necessity of > this procedure.> > The Bone and Joint Decade Task Force (Spine Volume 33, > Number 4S, pp S101–S122) stated:> > The possible presence of demonstrable > ligamentous injury to the upper cervical spine after whiplash exposure has > been investigated with special sequence MRI. A phase I study (n = 30) showed > that bright signals in the alar, transverse ligaments, and other structures > have been observed more frequently in subjects with whiplash trauma exposure > after 6 years (range, 2–9 years) than control subjects. However, the > reliability of different observers in classifying the presence or degree of > ligamentous injury, as shown by the MRI signal change, showed high > variability. Validation of this finding as diagnosing bona fide, and > clinically relevant ligamentous injury has not been demonstrated in these > patients with WAD (grades I–III).> > They cited three articles by > Krakenes, Kaale et al. Curiously, these researchers are about the only ones to > purport validity for these imaging studies. The majority of studies indicate > otherwise. > > Muhle et al (Rofo. 2002 Apr;174(4):416-22) discussed > radiological aspects of the diagnosis of whiplash injuries. Although > asymmetric dens position and widening of the atlantodental distance to > 12 > mm are indirect signs of alar ligament rupture, best visualized on MRI, they > state, "… changes of the alar ligaments on MRI must be differentiated from > normal variants in healthy individuals."> > Bitterling et al (Rofo. 2007 > Nov;179(11):1127-36), reviewed studies on biomechanics, anatomical and > clinical MR imaging. They found that "biomechanical experiments can not induce > according injuries of alar ligaments. Although MRI provides excellent > visualization of alar ligaments, the range of normal variants is high." > Furthermore, "… signal alterations of alar ligaments can hardly be > differentiated from common normal variants," and "functional MRI provides no > diagnostic yield." > Myran et al (Spine. 2008 Aug 15;33(18):2012-6) > performed a case-control study using MRI to assess signal intensity areas in > the alar ligaments. 59 patients with persistent whiplash associated disorder > Grade I-II after a car accident, 57 with chronic nontraumatic neck pain, and > 57 without neck pain or previous neck trauma were compared. The alar ligaments > were evaluated according to a 4-point grading scale. Alar ligament grades 0 to > 3 were seen in all 3 diagnostic groups. Areas of high signal intensity (Grade > 2-3) were found in at least one alar ligament in 49% of patients in the WAD > Grade I-II group, in 33% of the chronic neck pain group, and in 40% of the > controls. They concluded, "The previously reported assumption that these > changes are due to a trauma itself is not supported by this study. The > diagnostic value and the clinical relevance of magnetic resonance detectable > areas of high intensity in the alar ligaments are > questionable."> > Respectfully,> > J. Burke, D.C.> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2012 Report Share Posted April 25, 2012 I agree, Don. It should not be a knee-jerk kind of thing. There are clinical tests that can be performed. I'm not up on the validity and reliability of these tests, but I will check into it and report back to the listserv if anyone's interested. One test is Sharp-Purser which has a positive likelihood ratio (OK, I looked it up) of 17.25. That is outrageously good! Its specificity is .96, sensitivity is ..69. These figures are based on a study of 123 consecutive outpatients with RA. Maybe there are other studies because one study isn't enough, and this was not a population of trauma patients, so you can't just apply the results across the board. > > > > > > All, ... and whether it is found or not, for the right case, having that > cya MRI might be one of the best calls you ever make. Sunny ;'-)) > > > > Sunny Kierstyn, RN DC > > Fibromyalgia Care Center of Oregon > > 2677 Willakenzie Road, 7C > > Eugene, Oregon, 97401 > > 541- 654-0850; Fx; 541- 654-0834 > > www.drsunnykierstyn.com > > To: _oregondcs _ (mailto:oregondcs ) > > From: drbobdc83@ > > Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 16:33:05 -0700 > > Subject: Re: Can Alar Ligament Injury Be Dectected By > MRI? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " High signal intensity (Grade 2-3) were found in...33% > > of the chronic neck pain group " That's good enough for me... > > Just because they found increased signal intensity in 40% of the control > group > > does not mean Alar lig could not be causing pain in 60% of the > > rest of the population (i.e. just because disc bulges are > > routinely found in asymptomatic patients doesn't > > mean disc bulges are asymptomatic in all patients). > > > > > > Because as we know... There are lies, damn lies and statistics--Mark > > Twain (:-) > > > > M. s, D.C. > > > > > > > > [From OregonDCs] Can Alar > > Ligament Injury Be Dectected By MRI? > > > > > > > > The excellent diagnostic skills of Dr. Wei notwithstanding, the imaging > of > > ligament injuries in the upper cervical spine is controversial. The > weight of > > the evidence indicates that injured tissue often cannot be distinguished > from > > normal, thus calling into question the reasonableness and medical > necessity of > > this procedure. > > > > The Bone and Joint Decade Task Force (Spine Volume 33, > > Number 4S, pp S101†" S122) stated: > > > > The possible presence of demonstrable > > ligamentous injury to the upper cervical spine after whiplash exposure > has > > been investigated with special sequence MRI. A phase I study (n = 30) > showed > > that bright signals in the alar, transverse ligaments, and other > structures > > have been observed more frequently in subjects with whiplash trauma > exposure > > after 6 years (range, 2†" 9 years) than control subjects. However, the > > reliability of different observers in classifying the presence or degree > of > > ligamentous injury, as shown by the MRI signal change, showed high > > variability. Validation of this finding as diagnosing bona fide, and > > clinically relevant ligamentous injury has not been demonstrated in > these > > patients with WAD (grades I†" III). > > > > They cited three articles by > > Krakenes, Kaale et al. Curiously, these researchers are about the only > ones to > > purport validity for these imaging studies. The majority of studies > indicate > > otherwise. > > > > Muhle et al (Rofo. 2002 Apr;174(4):416-22) discussed > > radiological aspects of the diagnosis of whiplash injuries. Although > > asymmetric dens position and widening of the atlantodental distance to > > 12 > > mm are indirect signs of alar ligament rupture, best visualized on MRI, > they > > state, " … changes of the alar ligaments on MRI must be differentiated > from > > normal variants in healthy individuals. " > > > > Bitterling et al (Rofo. 2007 > > Nov;179(11):1127-36), reviewed studies on biomechanics, anatomical and > > clinical MR imaging. They found that " biomechanical experiments can not > induce > > according injuries of alar ligaments. Although MRI provides excellent > > visualization of alar ligaments, the range of normal variants is high. " > > Furthermore, " … signal alterations of alar ligaments can hardly be > > differentiated from common normal variants, " and " functional MRI > provides no > > diagnostic yield. " > > Myran et al (Spine. 2008 Aug 15;33(18):2012-6) > > performed a case-control study using MRI to assess signal intensity > areas in > > the alar ligaments. 59 patients with persistent whiplash associated > disorder > > Grade I-II after a car accident, 57 with chronic nontraumatic neck pain, > and > > 57 without neck pain or previous neck trauma were compared. The alar > ligaments > > were evaluated according to a 4-point grading scale. Alar ligament > grades 0 to > > 3 were seen in all 3 diagnostic groups. Areas of high signal intensity > (Grade > > 2-3) were found in at least one alar ligament in 49% of patients in the > WAD > > Grade I-II group, in 33% of the chronic neck pain group, and in 40% of > the > > controls. They concluded, " The previously reported assumption that these > > changes are due to a trauma itself is not supported by this study. The > > diagnostic value and the clinical relevance of magnetic resonance > detectable > > areas of high intensity in the alar ligaments are > > questionable. " > > > > Respectfully, > > > > J. Burke, D.C. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2012 Report Share Posted April 25, 2012 Ditto for my clinic Dan . There is a place for the MRI in assessing possible tears or ruptures of Alar ligament. A high quality MRI read by a competent doc is invaluable in a trauma case. Schneider DC MIchael. I send for this if a patient hasn't responded to U & C care, or if I do flexion/extension or lateral flexion motion xrays and see significant translation. It's not to just " cya " . Most of these people have already been adjusted, and some of them have had previous work ups where the question of instability is not even asked. So......I guess there are times to do the tests, and maybe times to not do the tests. In my opinion and experience, the discretionary ordering of these tests IS appropriate. Knee jerk ordering of the test on every CAD isn't. Don White, RN, DC If chiropractors want to be seen as cost-effective providers, we need to move away from this " cya " kind of thinking. Many diagnostic procedures, including MRI, have guidelines or clinical decision rules to determine when the procedure is necessary and when it is not. Adherence to these rules reduces overall costs, but more importantly they keep patients from undergoing unnecessary procedures that may lead to adverse consequences, either from the procedure itself (not so risky in the case of MRI) or from additional unnecessary diagnostic and treatment procedures when there are false positives. The haphazard ordering of unnecessary procedures just to keep our butts from hanging out there neither benefits patients nor enhances our image as authoritative players in the system. In the case of potential upper cervical ligament injury, why are so many chiropractors manipulating first and only sending patients for imaging later if " cya " is a big concern?J. Burke, D.C. >> > All, ... and whether it is found or not, for the right case, having that cya MRI might be one of the best calls you ever make. Sunny ;'-))> > Sunny Kierstyn, RN DC > Fibromyalgia Care Center of Oregon > 2677 Willakenzie Road, 7C> Eugene, Oregon, 97401> 541- 654-0850; Fx; 541- 654-0834> www.drsunnykierstyn.com> To: oregondcs > Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 16:33:05 -0700> Subject: Re: Can Alar Ligament Injury Be Dectected By MRI?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " High signal intensity (Grade 2-3) were found in...33% > of the chronic neck pain group " That's good enough for me... > Just because they found increased signal intensity in 40% of the control group > does not mean Alar lig could not be causing pain in 60% of the > rest of the population (i.e. just because disc bulges are > routinely found in asymptomatic patients doesn't > mean disc bulges are asymptomatic in all patients). > > > Because as we know... There are lies, damn lies and statistics--Mark > Twain (:-)> > M. s, D.C. > > > > Can Alar > Ligament Injury Be Dectected By MRI?> > > > The excellent diagnostic skills of Dr. Wei notwithstanding, the imaging of > ligament injuries in the upper cervical spine is controversial. The weight of > the evidence indicates that injured tissue often cannot be distinguished from > normal, thus calling into question the reasonableness and medical necessity of > this procedure.> > The Bone and Joint Decade Task Force (Spine Volume 33, > Number 4S, pp S101–S122) stated:> > The possible presence of demonstrable > ligamentous injury to the upper cervical spine after whiplash exposure has > been investigated with special sequence MRI. A phase I study (n = 30) showed > that bright signals in the alar, transverse ligaments, and other structures > have been observed more frequently in subjects with whiplash trauma exposure > after 6 years (range, 2–9 years) than control subjects. However, the > reliability of different observers in classifying the presence or degree of > ligamentous injury, as shown by the MRI signal change, showed high > variability. Validation of this finding as diagnosing bona fide, and > clinically relevant ligamentous injury has not been demonstrated in these > patients with WAD (grades I–III).> > They cited three articles by > Krakenes, Kaale et al. Curiously, these researchers are about the only ones to > purport validity for these imaging studies. The majority of studies indicate > otherwise. > > Muhle et al (Rofo. 2002 Apr;174(4):416-22) discussed > radiological aspects of the diagnosis of whiplash injuries. Although > asymmetric dens position and widening of the atlantodental distance to > 12 > mm are indirect signs of alar ligament rupture, best visualized on MRI, they > state, " … changes of the alar ligaments on MRI must be differentiated from > normal variants in healthy individuals. " > > Bitterling et al (Rofo. 2007 > Nov;179(11):1127-36), reviewed studies on biomechanics, anatomical and > clinical MR imaging. They found that " biomechanical experiments can not induce > according injuries of alar ligaments. Although MRI provides excellent > visualization of alar ligaments, the range of normal variants is high. " > Furthermore, " … signal alterations of alar ligaments can hardly be > differentiated from common normal variants, " and " functional MRI provides no > diagnostic yield. " > Myran et al (Spine. 2008 Aug 15;33(18):2012-6) > performed a case-control study using MRI to assess signal intensity areas in > the alar ligaments. 59 patients with persistent whiplash associated disorder > Grade I-II after a car accident, 57 with chronic nontraumatic neck pain, and > 57 without neck pain or previous neck trauma were compared. The alar ligaments > were evaluated according to a 4-point grading scale. Alar ligament grades 0 to > 3 were seen in all 3 diagnostic groups. Areas of high signal intensity (Grade > 2-3) were found in at least one alar ligament in 49% of patients in the WAD > Grade I-II group, in 33% of the chronic neck pain group, and in 40% of the > controls. They concluded, " The previously reported assumption that these > changes are due to a trauma itself is not supported by this study. The > diagnostic value and the clinical relevance of magnetic resonance detectable > areas of high intensity in the alar ligaments are > questionable. " > > Respectfully,> > J. Burke, D.C.> -- Schneider DC PDX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2012 Report Share Posted April 25, 2012 Well said ….history as in mechanisms of injury, symptoms and a few functional upper cervical tests and if indicated by these AP open-mouth odontoid lateral bending stress views……if there is a contralateral alar lig injury you will see the atlas slide off the axis …not rocket science….Vern SAboe From: oregondcs [mailto:oregondcs ] On Behalf Of mjqpdcSent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 11:30 AMTo: oregondcs Subject: Re: Can Alar Ligament Injury Be Dectected By MRI? If chiropractors want to be seen as cost-effective providers, we need to move away from this " cya " kind of thinking. Many diagnostic procedures, including MRI, have guidelines or clinical decision rules to determine when the procedure is necessary and when it is not. Adherence to these rules reduces overall costs, but more importantly they keep patients from undergoing unnecessary procedures that may lead to adverse consequences, either from the procedure itself (not so risky in the case of MRI) or from additional unnecessary diagnostic and treatment procedures when there are false positives. The haphazard ordering of unnecessary procedures just to keep our butts from hanging out there neither benefits patients nor enhances our image as authoritative players in the system. In the case of potential upper cervical ligament injury, why are so many chiropractors manipulating first and only sending patients for imaging later if " cya " is a big concern?J. Burke, D.C. >> > All, ... and whether it is found or not, for the right case, having that cya MRI might be one of the best calls you ever make. Sunny ;'-))> > Sunny Kierstyn, RN DC > Fibromyalgia Care Center of Oregon > 2677 Willakenzie Road, 7C> Eugene, Oregon, 97401> 541- 654-0850; Fx; 541- 654-0834> www.drsunnykierstyn.com> To: oregondcs > Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 16:33:05 -0700> Subject: Re: Can Alar Ligament Injury Be Dectected By MRI?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " High signal intensity (Grade 2-3) were found in...33% > of the chronic neck pain group " That's good enough for me... > Just because they found increased signal intensity in 40% of the control group > does not mean Alar lig could not be causing pain in 60% of the > rest of the population (i.e. just because disc bulges are > routinely found in asymptomatic patients doesn't > mean disc bulges are asymptomatic in all patients). > > > Because as we know... There are lies, damn lies and statistics--Mark > Twain (:-)> > M. s, D.C. > > > > Can Alar > Ligament Injury Be Dectected By MRI?> > > > The excellent diagnostic skills of Dr. Wei notwithstanding, the imaging of > ligament injuries in the upper cervical spine is controversial. The weight of > the evidence indicates that injured tissue often cannot be distinguished from > normal, thus calling into question the reasonableness and medical necessity of > this procedure.> > The Bone and Joint Decade Task Force (Spine Volume 33, > Number 4S, pp S101–S122) stated:> > The possible presence of demonstrable > ligamentous injury to the upper cervical spine after whiplash exposure has > been investigated with special sequence MRI. A phase I study (n = 30) showed > that bright signals in the alar, transverse ligaments, and other structures > have been observed more frequently in subjects with whiplash trauma exposure > after 6 years (range, 2–9 years) than control subjects. However, the > reliability of different observers in classifying the presence or degree of > ligamentous injury, as shown by the MRI signal change, showed high > variability. Validation of this finding as diagnosing bona fide, and > clinically relevant ligamentous injury has not been demonstrated in these > patients with WAD (grades I–III).> > They cited three articles by > Krakenes, Kaale et al. Curiously, these researchers are about the only ones to > purport validity for these imaging studies. The majority of studies indicate > otherwise. > > Muhle et al (Rofo. 2002 Apr;174(4):416-22) discussed > radiological aspects of the diagnosis of whiplash injuries. Although > asymmetric dens position and widening of the atlantodental distance to > 12 > mm are indirect signs of alar ligament rupture, best visualized on MRI, they > state, " … changes of the alar ligaments on MRI must be differentiated from > normal variants in healthy individuals. " > > Bitterling et al (Rofo. 2007 > Nov;179(11):1127-36), reviewed studies on biomechanics, anatomical and > clinical MR imaging. They found that " biomechanical experiments can not induce > according injuries of alar ligaments. Although MRI provides excellent > visualization of alar ligaments, the range of normal variants is high. " > Furthermore, " … signal alterations of alar ligaments can hardly be > differentiated from common normal variants, " and " functional MRI provides no > diagnostic yield. " > Myran et al (Spine. 2008 Aug 15;33(18):2012-6) > performed a case-control study using MRI to assess signal intensity areas in > the alar ligaments. 59 patients with persistent whiplash associated disorder > Grade I-II after a car accident, 57 with chronic nontraumatic neck pain, and > 57 without neck pain or previous neck trauma were compared. The alar ligaments > were evaluated according to a 4-point grading scale. Alar ligament grades 0 to > 3 were seen in all 3 diagnostic groups. Areas of high signal intensity (Grade > 2-3) were found in at least one alar ligament in 49% of patients in the WAD > Grade I-II group, in 33% of the chronic neck pain group, and in 40% of the > controls. They concluded, " The previously reported assumption that these > changes are due to a trauma itself is not supported by this study. The > diagnostic value and the clinical relevance of magnetic resonance detectable > areas of high intensity in the alar ligaments are > questionable. " > > Respectfully,> > J. Burke, D.C.> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2012 Report Share Posted April 25, 2012 All, I've been following this discussion with interest and would ask that Tyrone Wei, Tim Sellers, or Burke might develop a power point presentation with CEU potential to educate us further on this subject covering Indications for ordering the exam, potential conflicts with diagnostic imaging reads, etc. From my perspective, if you have a patient with neck pain, dizziness with specific motion , intense sharp pain with the same motions, order a motion; stress plain film first. Look for the translation motion. If you see that, order a MRI of C-spine to check alar lig. If you have UE radiating symptoms you may also check for this. My personal professional preference with these symptoms, is to avoid HVLA in the cervical spine until there is confirmation of NO disc protrusions, herniations and/or alar lig tears before proceeding with high vel adjusting. I also use a risk consent form and highly recommend everyone do the same with HVLA. In my opinion, if the patient has concurrent symptoms combined with cervical anterior translation, edema and alar lig findings, you have a good case for the diagnostic read being very accurate. I will agree with Dr. Burke that some alar lig tears are less symptomatic. Perhaps due to patient health, no edema present, good muscular strength may substitute for ligament damage. Patient mental health and support systems, ability to rest and avoid manual labor, there are many factors that lower the cost recovery. However, I feel alar tears are significantly problematic in most of the patients I see with combined symptomatology. Minga Guerrero DC abowoman@... Re: Can Alar Ligament Injury Be Dectected By MRI? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "High signal intensity (Grade 2-3) were found in...33% > of the chronic neck pain group" That's good enough for me... > Just because they found increased signal intensity in 40% of the control group > does not mean Alar lig could not be causing pain in 60% of the > rest of the population (i.e. just because disc bulges are > routinely found in asymptomatic patients doesn't > mean disc bulges are asymptomatic in all patients). > > > Because as we know... There are lies, damn lies and statistics--Mark > Twain (:-) > > M. s, D.C. > > > > Can Alar > Ligament Injury Be Dectected By MRI? > > > > The excellent diagnostic skills of Dr. Wei notwithstanding, the imaging of > ligament injuries in the upper cervical spine is controversial. The weight of > the evidence indicates that injured tissue often cannot be distinguished from > normal, thus calling into question the reasonableness and medical necessity of > this procedure. > > The Bone and Joint Decade Task Force (Spine Volume 33, > Number 4S, pp S101–S122) stated: > > The possible presence of demonstrable > ligamentous injury to the upper cervical spine after whiplash exposure has > been investigated with special sequence MRI. A phase I study (n = 30) showed > that bright signals in the alar, transverse ligaments, and other structures > have been observed more frequently in subjects with whiplash trauma exposure > after 6 years (range, 2–9 years) than control subjects. However, the > reliability of different observers in classifying the presence or degree of > ligamentous injury, as shown by the MRI signal change, showed high > variability. Validation of this finding as diagnosing bona fide, and > clinically relevant ligamentous injury has not been demonstrated in these > patients with WAD (grades I–III). > > They cited three articles by > Krakenes, Kaale et al. Curiously, these researchers are about the only ones to > purport validity for these imaging studies. The majority of studies indicate > otherwise. > > Muhle et al (Rofo. 2002 Apr;174(4):416-22) discussed > radiological aspects of the diagnosis of whiplash injuries. Although > asymmetric dens position and widening of the atlantodental distance to > 12 > mm are indirect signs of alar ligament rupture, best visualized on MRI, they > state, "… changes of the alar ligaments on MRI must be differentiated from > normal variants in healthy individuals." > > Bitterling et al (Rofo. 2007 > Nov;179(11):1127-36), reviewed studies on biomechanics, anatomical and > clinical MR imaging. They found that "biomechanical experiments can not induce > according injuries of alar ligaments. Although MRI provides excellent > visualization of alar ligaments, the range of normal variants is high." > Furthermore, "… signal alterations of alar ligaments can hardly be > differentiated from common normal variants," and "functional MRI provides no > diagnostic yield." > Myran et al (Spine. 2008 Aug 15;33(18):2012-6) > performed a case-control study using MRI to assess signal intensity areas in > the alar ligaments. 59 patients with persistent whiplash associated disorder > Grade I-II after a car accident, 57 with chronic nontraumatic neck pain, and > 57 without neck pain or previous neck trauma were compared. The alar ligaments > were evaluated according to a 4-point grading scale. Alar ligament grades 0 to > 3 were seen in all 3 diagnostic groups. Areas of high signal intensity (Grade > 2-3) were found in at least one alar ligament in 49% of patients in the WAD > Grade I-II group, in 33% of the chronic neck pain group, and in 40% of the > controls. They concluded, "The previously reported assumption that these > changes are due to a trauma itself is not supported by this study. The > diagnostic value and the clinical relevance of magnetic resonance detectable > areas of high intensity in the alar ligaments are > questionable." > > Respectfully, > > J. Burke, D.C. > -- Schneider DC PDX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2012 Report Share Posted April 25, 2012 THAT's the kind of 'cya' I was talking about ..... our field docs are wise enough to use that discretion. In our community, MRI usage is not an overutilization, IMHO. Sunny Sunny Kierstyn, RN DC Fibromyalgia Care Center of Oregon 2677 Willakenzie Road, 7CEugene, Oregon, 97401541- 654-0850; Fx; 541- 654-0834www.drsunnykierstyn.com To: MekaAbou@...CC: mjqpdc@...; oregondcs From: portlandchiro1@...Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 11:50:23 -0700Subject: Re: Can Alar Ligament Injury Be Dectected By MRI? Ditto for my clinic Dan . There is a place for the MRI in assessing possible tears or ruptures of Alar ligament. A high quality MRI read by a competent doc is invaluable in a trauma case. Schneider DC MIchael. I send for this if a patient hasn't responded to U & C care, or if I do flexion/extension or lateral flexion motion xrays and see significant translation. It's not to just "cya". Most of these people have already been adjusted, and some of them have had previous work ups where the question of instability is not even asked. So......I guess there are times to do the tests, and maybe times to not do the tests. In my opinion and experience, the discretionary ordering of these tests IS appropriate. Knee jerk ordering of the test on every CAD isn't. Don White, RN, DC If chiropractors want to be seen as cost-effective providers, we need to move away from this "cya" kind of thinking. Many diagnostic procedures, including MRI, have guidelines or clinical decision rules to determine when the procedure is necessary and when it is not. Adherence to these rules reduces overall costs, but more importantly they keep patients from undergoing unnecessary procedures that may lead to adverse consequences, either from the procedure itself (not so risky in the case of MRI) or from additional unnecessary diagnostic and treatment procedures when there are false positives. The haphazard ordering of unnecessary procedures just to keep our butts from hanging out there neither benefits patients nor enhances our image as authoritative players in the system. In the case of potential upper cervical ligament injury, why are so many chiropractors manipulating first and only sending patients for imaging later if "cya" is a big concern?J. Burke, D.C. >> > All, ... and whether it is found or not, for the right case, having that cya MRI might be one of the best calls you ever make. Sunny ;'-))> > Sunny Kierstyn, RN DC > Fibromyalgia Care Center of Oregon > 2677 Willakenzie Road, 7C> Eugene, Oregon, 97401> 541- 654-0850; Fx; 541- 654-0834> www.drsunnykierstyn.com> To: oregondcs > Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 16:33:05 -0700> Subject: Re: Can Alar Ligament Injury Be Dectected By MRI?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "High signal intensity (Grade 2-3) were found in...33% > of the chronic neck pain group" That's good enough for me... > Just because they found increased signal intensity in 40% of the control group > does not mean Alar lig could not be causing pain in 60% of the > rest of the population (i.e. just because disc bulges are > routinely found in asymptomatic patients doesn't > mean disc bulges are asymptomatic in all patients). > > > Because as we know... There are lies, damn lies and statistics--Mark > Twain (:-)> > M. s, D.C. > > > > Can Alar > Ligament Injury Be Dectected By MRI?> > > > The excellent diagnostic skills of Dr. Wei notwithstanding, the imaging of > ligament injuries in the upper cervical spine is controversial. The weight of > the evidence indicates that injured tissue often cannot be distinguished from > normal, thus calling into question the reasonableness and medical necessity of > this procedure.> > The Bone and Joint Decade Task Force (Spine Volume 33, > Number 4S, pp S101–S122) stated:> > The possible presence of demonstrable > ligamentous injury to the upper cervical spine after whiplash exposure has > been investigated with special sequence MRI. A phase I study (n = 30) showed > that bright signals in the alar, transverse ligaments, and other structures > have been observed more frequently in subjects with whiplash trauma exposure > after 6 years (range, 2–9 years) than control subjects. However, the > reliability of different observers in classifying the presence or degree of > ligamentous injury, as shown by the MRI signal change, showed high > variability. Validation of this finding as diagnosing bona fide, and > clinically relevant ligamentous injury has not been demonstrated in these > patients with WAD (grades I–III).> > They cited three articles by > Krakenes, Kaale et al. Curiously, these researchers are about the only ones to > purport validity for these imaging studies. The majority of studies indicate > otherwise. > > Muhle et al (Rofo. 2002 Apr;174(4):416-22) discussed > radiological aspects of the diagnosis of whiplash injuries. Although > asymmetric dens position and widening of the atlantodental distance to > 12 > mm are indirect signs of alar ligament rupture, best visualized on MRI, they > state, "… changes of the alar ligaments on MRI must be differentiated from > normal variants in healthy individuals."> > Bitterling et al (Rofo. 2007 > Nov;179(11):1127-36), reviewed studies on biomechanics, anatomical and > clinical MR imaging. They found that "biomechanical experiments can not induce > according injuries of alar ligaments. Although MRI provides excellent > visualization of alar ligaments, the range of normal variants is high." > Furthermore, "… signal alterations of alar ligaments can hardly be > differentiated from common normal variants," and "functional MRI provides no > diagnostic yield." > Myran et al (Spine. 2008 Aug 15;33(18):2012-6) > performed a case-control study using MRI to assess signal intensity areas in > the alar ligaments. 59 patients with persistent whiplash associated disorder > Grade I-II after a car accident, 57 with chronic nontraumatic neck pain, and > 57 without neck pain or previous neck trauma were compared. The alar ligaments > were evaluated according to a 4-point grading scale. Alar ligament grades 0 to > 3 were seen in all 3 diagnostic groups. Areas of high signal intensity (Grade > 2-3) were found in at least one alar ligament in 49% of patients in the WAD > Grade I-II group, in 33% of the chronic neck pain group, and in 40% of the > controls. They concluded, "The previously reported assumption that these > changes are due to a trauma itself is not supported by this study. The > diagnostic value and the clinical relevance of magnetic resonance detectable > areas of high intensity in the alar ligaments are > questionable."> > Respectfully,> > J. Burke, D.C.> -- Schneider DC PDX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2012 Report Share Posted April 25, 2012 Hi colleagues,Sitting in SanFran airport I would submit that everyone should utilize the Pennin assessment method for stress flexion/extension cervical radiograph to determine intersegmental hypomobility (where to perform HVLA adjustments) and hypermobility (where not too) in addition to AP open-mouth odontoid lateral bending stress views when we suspect alar ligament injury. Why? Because through the years I've found the folk with alar ligament chronic injuries which cause episodes of significant headaches are helped by adjusting the inferior fixated segments which exacerbate the superior ligament injury and translation with hypermobility... Vern SaboeSent from my iPhone All, I've been following this discussion with interest and would ask that Tyrone Wei, Tim Sellers, or Burke might develop a power point presentation with CEU potential to educate us further on this subject covering Indications for ordering the exam, potential conflicts with diagnostic imaging reads, etc. From my perspective, if you have a patient with neck pain, dizziness with specific motion , intense sharp pain with the same motions, order a motion; stress plain film first. Look for the translation motion. If you see that, order a MRI of C-spine to check alar lig. If you have UE radiating symptoms you may also check for this. My personal professional preference with these symptoms, is to avoid HVLA in the cervical spine until there is confirmation of NO disc protrusions, herniations and/or alar lig tears before proceeding with high vel adjusting. I also use a risk consent form and highly recommend everyone do the same with HVLA. In my opinion, if the patient has concurrent symptoms combined with cervical anterior translation, edema and alar lig findings, you have a good case for the diagnostic read being very accurate. I will agree with Dr. Burke that some alar lig tears are less symptomatic. Perhaps due to patient health, no edema present, good muscular strength may substitute for ligament damage. Patient mental health and support systems, ability to rest and avoid manual labor, there are many factors that lower the cost recovery. However, I feel alar tears are significantly problematic in most of the patients I see with combined symptomatology. Minga Guerrero DC abowoman@... Re: Can Alar Ligament Injury Be Dectected By MRI? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "High signal intensity (Grade 2-3) were found in...33% > of the chronic neck pain group" That's good enough for me... > Just because they found increased signal intensity in 40% of the control group > does not mean Alar lig could not be causing pain in 60% of the > rest of the population (i.e. just because disc bulges are > routinely found in asymptomatic patients doesn't > mean disc bulges are asymptomatic in all patients). > > > Because as we know... There are lies, damn lies and statistics--Mark > Twain (:-) > > M. s, D.C. > > > > Can Alar > Ligament Injury Be Dectected By MRI? > > > > The excellent diagnostic skills of Dr. Wei notwithstanding, the imaging of > ligament injuries in the upper cervical spine is controversial. The weight of > the evidence indicates that injured tissue often cannot be distinguished from > normal, thus calling into question the reasonableness and medical necessity of > this procedure. > > The Bone and Joint Decade Task Force (Spine Volume 33, > Number 4S, pp S101–S122) stated: > > The possible presence of demonstrable > ligamentous injury to the upper cervical spine after whiplash exposure has > been investigated with special sequence MRI. A phase I study (n = 30) showed > that bright signals in the alar, transverse ligaments, and other structures > have been observed more frequently in subjects with whiplash trauma exposure > after 6 years (range, 2–9 years) than control subjects. However, the > reliability of different observers in classifying the presence or degree of > ligamentous injury, as shown by the MRI signal change, showed high > variability. Validation of this finding as diagnosing bona fide, and > clinically relevant ligamentous injury has not been demonstrated in these > patients with WAD (grades I–III). > > They cited three articles by > Krakenes, Kaale et al. Curiously, these researchers are about the only ones to > purport validity for these imaging studies. The majority of studies indicate > otherwise. > > Muhle et al (Rofo. 2002 Apr;174(4):416-22) discussed > radiological aspects of the diagnosis of whiplash injuries. Although > asymmetric dens position and widening of the atlantodental distance to > 12 > mm are indirect signs of alar ligament rupture, best visualized on MRI, they > state, "… changes of the alar ligaments on MRI must be differentiated from > normal variants in healthy individuals." > > Bitterling et al (Rofo. 2007 > Nov;179(11):1127-36), reviewed studies on biomechanics, anatomical and > clinical MR imaging. They found that "biomechanical experiments can not induce > according injuries of alar ligaments. Although MRI provides excellent > visualization of alar ligaments, the range of normal variants is high." > Furthermore, "… signal alterations of alar ligaments can hardly be > differentiated from common normal variants," and "functional MRI provides no > diagnostic yield." > Myran et al (Spine. 2008 Aug 15;33(18):2012-6) > performed a case-control study using MRI to assess signal intensity areas in > the alar ligaments. 59 patients with persistent whiplash associated disorder > Grade I-II after a car accident, 57 with chronic nontraumatic neck pain, and > 57 without neck pain or previous neck trauma were compared. The alar ligaments > were evaluated according to a 4-point grading scale. Alar ligament grades 0 to > 3 were seen in all 3 diagnostic groups. Areas of high signal intensity (Grade > 2-3) were found in at least one alar ligament in 49% of patients in the WAD > Grade I-II group, in 33% of the chronic neck pain group, and in 40% of the > controls. They concluded, "The previously reported assumption that these > changes are due to a trauma itself is not supported by this study. The > diagnostic value and the clinical relevance of magnetic resonance detectable > areas of high intensity in the alar ligaments are > questionable." > > Respectfully, > > J. Burke, D.C. > -- Schneider DC PDX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2012 Report Share Posted April 26, 2012 Minga I so want to be included on an alar ligament panel. I have restored the function to my upper neck from a significant slar ligament injury and have worked with many upper neck injuries. In my opinion it would be wise to include some basic screening uper cervical tests that are easy to do once trained. History of lots of symptoms with no resolutionPalpate mastoid process in one hand and spinous C2 in the other hand. Test for laxityLook at how the soft palate lifts when say AhhWatch how the soft palate moves when laterally flex head. Yes you can see the hypermobility in the movement of the soft palate. On the treatment side:Make sure their brain is stable before pushing on upper neckAdjustments should bring tissue back together not distact tissueNeed to coordinate eye/cerebellum/neck systemNeed to coordinate breathing Upper cervical MRI can be so helpful but it is one finding for a problem that is a system problem. Sincerely Judy Boothby Re: Can Alar Ligament Injury Be Dectected By MRI? Posted by: "AboWoman@..." AboWoman@... Wed Apr 25, 2012 1:27 pm (PDT) All,I've been following this discussion with interest and would ask that Tyrone Wei, Tim Sellers, or Burke might develop a power point presentation with CEU potential to educate us further on this subject covering Indications for ordering the exam, potential conflicts with diagnostic imaging reads, etc. From my perspective, if you have a patient with neck pain, dizziness with specific motion , intense sharp pain with the same motions, order a motion; stress plain film first. Look for the translation motion. If you see that, order a MRI of C-spine to check alar lig. If you have UE radiating symptoms you may also check for this. My personal professional preference with these symptoms, is to avoid HVLA in the cervical spine until there is confirmation of NO disc protrusions, herniations and/or alar lig tears before proceeding with high vel adjusting. I also use a risk consent form and highly recommend everyone do the same with HVLA. In my opinion, if the patient has concurrent symptoms combined with cervical anterior translation, edema and alar lig findings, you have a good case for the diagnostic read being very accurate. I will agree with Dr. Burke that some alar lig tears are less symptomatic. Perhaps due to patient health, no edema present, good muscular strength may substitute for ligament damage. Patient mental health and support systems, ability to rest and avoid manual labor, there are many factors that lower the cost recovery. However, I feel alar tears are significantly problematic in most of the patients I see with combined symptomatology. Minga Guerrero DCabowomanaol (DOT) com Re: Can Alar Ligament Injury Be Dectected By MRI?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "High signal intensity (Grade 2-3) were found in...33% > of the chronic neck pain group" That's good enough for me... > Just because they found increased signal intensity in 40% of the control group > does not mean Alar lig could not be causing pain in 60% of the > rest of the population (i.e. just because disc bulges are > routinely found in asymptomatic patients doesn't > mean disc bulges are asymptomatic in all patients). > > > Because as we know... There are lies, damn lies and statistics-- Mark > Twain (:-)> > M. s, D.C. > > > > Can Alar > Ligament Injury Be Dectected By MRI?> > > > The excellent diagnostic skills of Dr. Wei notwithstanding, the imaging of > ligament injuries in the upper cervical spine is controversial. The weight of > the evidence indicates that injured tissue often cannot be distinguished from > normal, thus calling into question the reasonableness and medical necessity of > this procedure.> > The Bone and Joint Decade Task Force (Spine Volume 33, > Number 4S, pp S101–S122) stated:> > The possible presence of demonstrable > ligamentous injury to the upper cervical spine after whiplash exposure has > been investigated with special sequence MRI. A phase I study (n = 30) showed > that bright signals in the alar, transverse ligaments, and other structures > have been observed more frequently in subjects with whiplash trauma exposure > after 6 years (range, 2–9 years) than control subjects. However, the > reliability of different observers in classifying the presence or degree of > ligamentous injury, as shown by the MRI signal change, showed high > variability. Validation of this finding as diagnosing bona fide, and > clinically relevant ligamentous injury has not been demonstrated in these > patients with WAD (grades I–III).> > They cited three articles by > Krakenes, Kaale et al. Curiously, these researchers are about the only ones to > purport validity for these imaging studies. The majority of studies indicate > otherwise. > > Muhle et al (Rofo. 2002 Apr;174(4):416- 22) discussed > radiological aspects of the diagnosis of whiplash injuries. Although > asymmetric dens position and widening of the atlantodental distance to > 12 > mm are indirect signs of alar ligament rupture, best visualized on MRI, they > state, "… changes of the alar ligaments on MRI must be differentiated from > normal variants in healthy individuals. "> > Bitterling et al (Rofo. 2007 > Nov;179(11): 1127-36), reviewed studies on biomechanics, anatomical and > clinical MR imaging. They found that "biomechanical experiments can not induce > according injuries of alar ligaments. Although MRI provides excellent > visualization of alar ligaments, the range of normal variants is high." > Furthermore, "… signal alterations of alar ligaments can hardly be > differentiated from common normal variants," and "functional MRI provides no > diagnostic yield." > Myran et al (Spine. 2008 Aug 15;33(18):2012- 6) > performed a case-control study using MRI to assess signal intensity areas in > the alar ligaments. 59 patients with persistent whiplash associated disorder > Grade I-II after a car accident, 57 with chronic nontraumatic neck pain, and > 57 without neck pain or previous neck trauma were compared. The alar ligaments > were evaluated according to a 4-point grading scale. Alar ligament grades 0 to > 3 were seen in all 3 diagnostic groups. Areas of high signal intensity (Grade > 2-3) were found in at least one alar ligament in 49% of patients in the WAD > Grade I-II group, in 33% of the chronic neck pain group, and in 40% of the > controls. They concluded, "The previously reported assumption that these > changes are due to a trauma itself is not supported by this study. The > diagnostic value and the clinical relevance of magnetic resonance detectable > areas of high intensity in the alar ligaments are > questionable. "> > Respectfully,> > J. Burke, D.C.>-- Schneider DC PDX Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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