Guest guest Posted June 30, 2012 Report Share Posted June 30, 2012 Chuck, Maybe I still have a foot stuck in the 20th century but that website didn't make any sense to me about CEUs .... what is it you were attempting to convey to us? skSunny Kierstyn, RN DC Fibromyalgia Care Center of Oregon 2677 Willakenzie Road, 7CEugene, Oregon, 97401541- 654-0850; Fx; 541- 654-0834www.drsunnykierstyn.com To: oregondcs From: csimpson@...Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 09:27:37 -0700Subject: OBCE continuing Ed All, If I ran the zoo... The link between the typical CE and performance improvement (e.g. The "butts in seats model") is tenuous at best. The OBCE response to poor quality (sex misconduct, bad clinical records, etc.) is to mandate CE hours but without much evidence that it helps docs do a better job. Check out https://www.aamc.org/initiatives/cei/ for an example of work that is trying to improve performance through a different model of life long learning. We definitely need to support the OBCE in it's effort to improve the profession, but there may be better ways than simply mandating a certain number of CE hours. C Simpson Sent from my iPad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2012 Report Share Posted June 30, 2012 Dr. Simpson, Thank you for summing it up for me and 100% agree. Sincerely, , DC, FACO > > All, > > If I ran the zoo... > > The link between the typical CE and performance improvement (e.g. The > " butts in seats model " ) is tenuous at best. The OBCE response to poor > quality (sex misconduct, bad clinical records, etc.) is to mandate CE > hours but without much evidence that it helps docs do a better job. > > Check out https://www.aamc.org/initiatives/cei/ for an example of work > that is trying to improve performance through a different model of > life long learning. We definitely need to support the OBCE in it's > effort to improve the profession, but there may be better ways than > simply mandating a certain number of CE hours. > > C Simpson > > Sent from my iPad > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2012 Report Share Posted June 30, 2012 I think this might be the destination: https://www.aamc.org/download/259964/data/ae4q_introduction_presentation.pdf Seitz, DC Tuality Physicians 730-D SE Oak St Hillsboro, OR 97123 (503)640-3724To: csimpson@...; oregondcs From: skrndc1@...Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 09:33:12 -0700Subject: RE: OBCE continuing Ed Chuck, Maybe I still have a foot stuck in the 20th century but that website didn't make any sense to me about CEUs .... what is it you were attempting to convey to us? skSunny Kierstyn, RN DC Fibromyalgia Care Center of Oregon 2677 Willakenzie Road, 7CEugene, Oregon, 97401541- 654-0850; Fx; 541- 654-0834www.drsunnykierstyn.com To: oregondcs From: csimpson@...Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 09:27:37 -0700Subject: OBCE continuing Ed All, If I ran the zoo... The link between the typical CE and performance improvement (e.g. The "butts in seats model") is tenuous at best. The OBCE response to poor quality (sex misconduct, bad clinical records, etc.) is to mandate CE hours but without much evidence that it helps docs do a better job. Check out https://www.aamc.org/initiatives/cei/ for an example of work that is trying to improve performance through a different model of life long learning. We definitely need to support the OBCE in it's effort to improve the profession, but there may be better ways than simply mandating a certain number of CE hours. C Simpson Sent from my iPad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2012 Report Share Posted June 30, 2012 Well, Sunny...here is an article that is more on pointhttp://www.academyprojects.org/mcpartland.htm C Simpson Sent from my iPad Chuck, Maybe I still have a foot stuck in the 20th century but that website didn't make any sense to me about CEUs .... what is it you were attempting to convey to us? skSunny Kierstyn, RN DC Fibromyalgia Care Center of Oregon 2677 Willakenzie Road, 7CEugene, Oregon, 97401541- 654-0850; Fx; 541- 654-0834www.drsunnykierstyn.com To: oregondcs From: csimpson@... Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 09:27:37 -0700Subject: OBCE continuing Ed All, If I ran the zoo... The link between the typical CE and performance improvement (e.g. The " butts in seats model " ) is tenuous at best. The OBCE response to poor quality (sex misconduct, bad clinical records, etc.) is to mandate CE hours but without much evidence that it helps docs do a better job. Check out https://www.aamc.org/initiatives/cei/ for an example of work that is trying to improve performance through a different model of life long learning. We definitely need to support the OBCE in it's effort to improve the profession, but there may be better ways than simply mandating a certain number of CE hours. C Simpson Sent from my iPad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2012 Report Share Posted June 30, 2012 Chuck, Interesting article with the pros and cons of mandatory CEUs. I like the current set up the OBCE has set forth where we docs have quite a bit of control over the content of our CEUs. We can tailor it to our practice needs. The very infrequent and few add-ons like the sexual boundary and charting requirements don't bother me too much. I'm looking fwd to input on charting. I have seen the trend (copied below from your post); where state licensing boards, NBCE, FCLB have all discussed re-testing rather than CEUs. This idea was and is still being discussed. I personally prefer an active choice in my CEUs. But it may come to be that we no longer have mandatory CEUs but are required to be re-tested at intervals....time will tell. Minga Guerrero DC There is no question that, if the public is to receive the best quality of care, health care professionals need to continue to learn. However, as Houle states, "participation in organized activities is only one mode of continuing learning and not necessarily the most effective or appropriate under all circumstances." (31) The ideal situation would be, as Darkenwald and Merriam suggest, mandating "competent performance through periodic evaluations and to deny relicensing to those who fail to demonstrate continued proficiency." (32) Periodic evaluations may be more effective than mandatory continuing education programs, but health care professionals are apt to resist them vigorously. Mandating continuing education is a feasible alternative, being relatively easy to administer and acceptable to most professionals. Yet, shortcomings have gone unnoticed. Minga Guerrero DC abowoman@... OBCE continuing Ed All, If I ran the zoo... The link between the typical CE and performance improvement (e.g. The "butts in seats model") is tenuous at best. The OBCE response to poor quality (sex misconduct, bad clinical records, etc.) is to mandate CE hours but without much evidence that it helps docs do a better job. Check out https://www.aamc.org/initiatives/cei/ for an example of work that is trying to improve performance through a different model of life long learning. We definitely need to support the OBCE in it's effort to improve the profession, but there may be better ways than simply mandating a certain number of CE hours. C Simpson Sent from my iPad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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