what should i ask at a consultation before AVS?

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Hi all, hoping that some of you who have had AVS can offer some input here. I'll

be meeting with the interventional radiologist soon (Dr. Antoinette Gomes of

UCLA) and was planning to ask the following:

How many AVS have you performed?

Have any ever had to be re-done?

Do you use ACTH for the procedure?

Have you ever had a patient experience complications from the procedure, and if

so, what were they?

I'd welcome any other suggestions any of you who have experience with this might

offer. Thanks!

-msmith1928

45, female, 5'3 " , 120 lbs, 1cm left adrenal nodule, aldosterone 42.3, renin 0.5,

potassium <2.9 (when not taking supplements); 25mg spiro caused gynecomastia, no

HTN meds; other meds are 20MEQ K 2x/day, singulair 10mg, norethindrone .35mg,

and cyclobenzaprine 5mg as needed; low sodium, fructose- and grain-free diet

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MS,I would ask what percentage of those performed were successful. The right adrenal is particularly difficult to access for a sample. I have had two AVS performed and neither one was successful.........RodTo: hyperaldosteronism Sent: Thu, March 24, 2011 12:37:19 PMSubject: what should i ask at a

consultation before AVS?Hi all, hoping that some of you who have had AVS can offer some input here. I'll be meeting with the interventional radiologist soon (Dr. Antoinette Gomes of UCLA) and was planning to ask the following:How many AVS have you performed?Have any ever had to be re-done?Do you use ACTH for the procedure?Have you ever had a patient experience complications from the procedure, and if so, what were they?I'd welcome any other suggestions any of you who have experience with this might offer. Thanks!-msmith192845, female, 5'3", 120 lbs, 1cm left adrenal nodule, aldosterone 42.3, renin 0.5, potassium <2.9 (when not taking supplements); 25mg spiro caused gynecomastia, no HTN meds; other meds are 20MEQ K 2x/day, singulair 10mg, norethindrone .35mg, and cyclobenzaprine 5mg as needed; low sodium, fructose- and grain-free

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Thank you Rod, that's what I was getting at in asking how many had to be re-done

- I've heard about the difficulty with the right adrenal and am definitely

concerned about that.

Curious to know if you plan to try AVS again, or are you satisfied with managing

your PA with meds?

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> MS,

> I would ask what percentage of those performed were successful. The right

> adrenal is particularly difficult to access for a sample. I have had two AVS

> performed and neither one was successful.

> ........Rod

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> To: hyperaldosteronism

> Sent: Thu, March 24, 2011 12:37:19 PM

> Subject: what should i ask at a consultation before AVS?

>

> Hi all, hoping that some of you who have had AVS can offer some input here.

I'll

> be meeting with the interventional radiologist soon (Dr. Antoinette Gomes of

> UCLA) and was planning to ask the following:

>

> How many AVS have you performed?

> Have any ever had to be re-done?

> Do you use ACTH for the procedure?

> Have you ever had a patient experience complications from the procedure, and

if

> so, what were they?

>

> I'd welcome any other suggestions any of you who have experience with this

might

> offer. Thanks!

>

>

> -msmith1928

> 45, female, 5'3 " , 120 lbs, 1cm left adrenal nodule, aldosterone 42.3, renin

0.5,

> potassium <2.9 (when not taking supplements); 25mg spiro caused gynecomastia,

no

> HTN meds; other meds are 20MEQ K 2x/day, singulair 10mg, norethindrone .35mg,

> and cyclobenzaprine 5mg as needed; low sodium, fructose- and grain-free diet

>

>

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MS, I am not inclined to attempt AVS at this time since I have learned more info from this site which indicates Rx and DASH are the preferable course of treatment for most of us. That said, AVS is nothing to fear, and if successful would provide additional info.Best of luck To: hyperaldosteronism Sent: Thu, March 24, 2011 2:48:15 PMSubject: Re: what should i ask at a consultation before AVS?

Thank you Rod, that's what I was getting at in asking how many had to be re-done - I've heard about the difficulty with the right adrenal and am definitely concerned about that.Curious to know if you plan to try AVS again, or are you satisfied with managing your PA with meds?>> MS,> I would ask what percentage of those performed were successful. The right > adrenal is particularly difficult to access for a sample. I have had two AVS > performed and neither one was successful.> ........Rod> > > > ________________________________> > To: hyperaldosteronism > Sent: Thu, March 24, 2011 12:37:19 PM> Subject: what should i ask at a consultation before AVS?> > Hi all, hoping that some of you who have had AVS can offer some input here. I'll > be meeting with the interventional radiologist soon (Dr. Antoinette Gomes of > UCLA) and was planning to ask the following:> > How many AVS have you performed?> Have any ever had to be re-done?> Do you use ACTH for the procedure?> Have you ever had a patient experience complications from the procedure, and if > so, what were they?> > I'd welcome any other suggestions any of you who have experience with this might > offer. Thanks!> > > -msmith1928> 45, female, 5'3", 120 lbs, 1cm left adrenal nodule, aldosterone 42.3, renin 0.5, >

potassium <2.9 (when not taking supplements); 25mg spiro caused gynecomastia, no > HTN meds; other meds are 20MEQ K 2x/day, singulair 10mg, norethindrone .35mg, > and cyclobenzaprine 5mg as needed; low sodium, fructose- and grain-free diet> > > > ------------------------------------> >

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I also had AVS. They had trouble getting the right one. My bp kept blasting and sinking so they finally gave up I also have a blood clotting disorder so they put sand bags on the incision sight and gave me ddavp.

MS,I would ask what percentage of those performed were successful. The right adrenal is particularly difficult to access for a sample. I have had two AVS performed and neither one was successful.........RodTo: hyperaldosteronism Sent: Thu, March 24, 2011 12:37:19 PMSubject: what should i ask at a

consultation before AVS?Hi all, hoping that some of you who have had AVS can offer some input here. I'll be meeting with the interventional radiologist soon (Dr. Antoinette Gomes of UCLA) and was planning to ask the following:How many AVS have you performed?Have any ever had to be re-done?Do you use ACTH for the procedure?Have you ever had a patient experience complications from the procedure, and if so, what were they?I'd welcome any other suggestions any of you who have experience with this might offer. Thanks!-msmith192845, female, 5'3", 120 lbs, 1cm left adrenal nodule, aldosterone 42.3, renin 0.5, potassium <2.9 (when not taking supplements); 25mg spiro caused gynecomastia, no HTN meds; other meds are 20MEQ K 2x/day, singulair 10mg, norethindrone .35mg, and cyclobenzaprine 5mg as needed; low sodium, fructose- and grain-free

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Do we have you complete AVS story in our files?And have you entered your data in our data base. I no please do so.See #8 below Welcome to the exciting world of Hyperaldosteronism! You are in the right place! I am Dr. CE Grim a retired Professor of Medicine and Endocrinology. I have a long standing interest is Primary Aldosteronism since medical school days when I saw my first patient with Primary Aldosteronism in 1963. I trained with Dr. Jerome W. Conn in Endocrinology and Metabolism 1969-70 and have published over 240 papers and book chapters in most areas of the discipline of High Blood Pressure. My CV is in our files for details. The goal of our group is to teach you and your health care team about the ins and outs of the causes, diagnosis and control of the many forms of hyperaldosteronism. 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I ask all my secretaries to read this so they can communicate the importance of high blood pressure to my patients. JNC 8 will be out soon.Then: get (and study) the Hypertension Primer from americanheart.org 4th addition. I coauthored the chapter on BP measurement. You can also get this for about $6 from Amazon.com. This is the most up-to-date compendium of what is known about high blood pressure and what every Dr. should know when they graduate from Medical School. Every chapter is only 2-3 pages. Read one chapter every week-night and you will finish it in about a year. I am working on a reading guide for lay people for the Primer. Stay tuned. If you don't like it take it to your health care team so they will know what every medical student today should know.13. Ask us questions: Ask any questions about high blood pressure you want answered. That is what we are here for. We have had this site for 10 years and over 30,000 emails are searchable. This is the largest collection of communications about Conn's Syndrome in the World. 14. One-on-one Consulting: I can provide individual consulting if you do not want to go public. If you want individual one-on-one consulting for you and your Doctor contract me directly at lowerbp2@....15: Abbreviations of common use in aldo speak include: AME apparent mineralocorticoid excess AVS adrenal vein sampling BB beta blockers CCB calcium channel blockers Dx diagnosis FHx family history GRE glucocorticoid remedial aldosteronism LNaV8 low sodium V8 juice. MCB mineralocorticoid blocker also called AB aldosterone blocker. MHx medical history Rx treatment SHx social history UNaKCr urinary sodium, potassium, creatinine May your pressure be low!Clarence E. Grim BS, MS, MD, FACP, FACC, FAHA Council for High Blood Pressure Research. Board Certified in Internal Medicine, Geriatrics, and High Blood Pressure by the American Society of Hypertension. Retired Faculty/Professor of Medicine (U of MO, Indiana, UCLA/DREW, Medical College of Wisconsin in Nephrology, Endocrinology, Cardiology, and Epidemiology. Specializing in Primary Aldosteronism and Difficult to Control High Blood Pressure. I also had AVS. They had trouble getting the right one. My bp kept blasting and sinking so they finally gave up I also have a blood clotting disorder so they put sand bags on the incision sight and gave me ddavp. MS,I would ask what percentage of those performed were successful. The right adrenal is particularly difficult to access for a sample. I have had two AVS performed and neither one was successful.........RodTo: hyperaldosteronism Sent: Thu, March 24, 2011 12:37:19 PMSubject: what should i ask at a consultation before AVS?Hi all, hoping that some of you who have had AVS can offer some input here. I'll be meeting with the interventional radiologist soon (Dr. Antoinette Gomes of UCLA) and was planning to ask the following:How many AVS have you performed?Have any ever had to be re-done?Do you use ACTH for the procedure?Have you ever had a patient experience complications from the procedure, and if so, what were they?I'd welcome any other suggestions any of you who have experience with this might offer. Thanks!-msmith192845, female, 5'3", 120 lbs, 1cm left adrenal nodule, aldosterone 42.3, renin 0.5, potassium <2.9 (when not taking supplements); 25mg spiro caused gynecomastia, no HTN meds; other meds are 20MEQ K 2x/day, singulair 10mg, norethindrone .35mg, and cyclobenzaprine 5mg as needed; low sodium, fructose- and grain-free diet------------------------------------

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But if one is not ready for surgery because DASH and MCBs have failed then I argue why take the risks (radiation) etc. and costs of an AVS.MS, I am not inclined to attempt AVS at this time since I have learned more info from this site which indicates Rx and DASH are the preferable course of treatment for most of us. That said, AVS is nothing to fear, and if successful would provide additional info.Best of luck To: hyperaldosteronism Sent: Thu, March 24, 2011 2:48:15 PMSubject: Re: what should i ask at a consultation before AVS?Thank you Rod, that's what I was getting at in asking how many had to be re-done - I've heard about the difficulty with the right adrenal and am definitely concerned about that.Curious to know if you plan to try AVS again, or are you satisfied with managing your PA with meds?>> MS,> I would ask what percentage of those performed were successful. The right > adrenal is particularly difficult to access for a sample. I have had two AVS > performed and neither one was successful.> ........Rod> > > > ________________________________> > To: hyperaldosteronism > Sent: Thu, March 24, 2011 12:37:19 PM> Subject: what should i ask at a consultation before AVS?> > Hi all, hoping that some of you who have had AVS can offer some input here. I'll > be meeting with the interventional radiologist soon (Dr. Antoinette Gomes of > UCLA) and was planning to ask the following:> > How many AVS have you performed?> Have any ever had to be re-done?> Do you use ACTH for the procedure?> Have you ever had a patient experience complications from the procedure, and if > so, what were they?> > I'd welcome any other suggestions any of you who have experience with this might > offer. Thanks!> > > -msmith1928> 45, female, 5'3", 120 lbs, 1cm left adrenal nodule, aldosterone 42.3, renin 0.5, > potassium <2.9 (when not taking supplements); 25mg spiro caused gynecomastia, no > HTN meds; other meds are 20MEQ K 2x/day, singulair 10mg, norethindrone .35mg, > and cyclobenzaprine 5mg as needed; low sodium, fructose- and grain-free diet> > > > ------------------------------------> >

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--- In hyperaldosteronism , Clarence Grim

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> But if one is not ready for surgery because DASH and MCBs have failed

> then I argue why take the risks (radiation) etc. and costs of an AVS.

Dr Grim, I'm not sure if your response was meant for me or for others.

If it was meant for me - I'm fully aware of your preference for DASH and MCBs

before surgery. That's not working for me.

I'm the original poster of this question, and we've been through this several

times before - I can't take spiro, and due to inability to metabolize fructose

and fructans (found in most fruits, many vegetables, and most grains) I can't

eat most potassium-rich foods.

- msmith1928

45, female, 5'3 " , 120 lbs, 1cm left adrenal nodule, aldosterone 42.3, renin 0.5,

potassium <2.9 (when not taking supplements); 25mg spiro caused gynecomastia, no

HTN meds; other meds are 20MEQ K 2x/day, singulair 10mg, norethindrone .35mg,

and cyclobenzaprine 5mg as needed; low sodium, fructose- and grain-free diet

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MS,I would ask what percentage of those performed were successful. The right adrenal is particularly difficult to access for a sample. I have had two AVS performed and neither one was successful.........RodTo: hyperaldosteronism Sent: Thu, March 24, 2011 12:37:19 PMSubject: what should i ask at a consultation before AVS?Hi all, hoping that some of you who have had AVS can offer some input here. I'll be meeting with the interventional radiologist soon (Dr. Antoinette Gomes of UCLA) and was planning to ask the following:How many AVS have you performed?Have any ever had to be re-done?Do you use ACTH for the procedure?Have you ever had a patient experience complications from the procedure, and if so, what were they?I'd welcome any other suggestions any of you who have experience with this might offer. Thanks!-msmith192845, female, 5'3", 120 lbs, 1cm left adrenal nodule, aldosterone 42.3, renin 0.5, potassium <2.9 (when not taking supplements); 25mg spiro caused gynecomastia, no HTN meds; other meds are 20MEQ K 2x/day, singulair 10mg, norethindrone .35mg, and cyclobenzaprine 5mg as needed; low sodium, fructose- and grain-free diet------------------------------------