Re: Re: Political/taxation, etc.

March 4, 2011

Tax

situations affect economic decision-making.

Val

From: hyperaldosteronism

[mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Clarence Grim

I must admit I am retiring to S Lake Tahoe on NV side because of not state

income tax-yet.

March 4, 2011

While

Steve Jobs created Apple, he does not " own " it. Likewise, Bill Gates, while he owns a

substantial stake, does not " own " Microsoft. This is a list of richest Americans

rather than rich Americans who own their own companies. The ones who should be sending in larger

checks are those who tell us taxes are too low and that we are not paying

enough. Buffet and Soros come to

mind.

Val

From: hyperaldosteronism

[mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Clarence Grim

Curious Steve Jobs is not there.

On

Mar 4, 2011, at 6:24 PM, Bingham wrote:

That was really not the question

and many people put NOTHING into their own 401k so I can't follow the

logic. Not sure how a 401k leads to people owning a company. STOCKHOLDERS

do to some degree, but not really, and even then there is a majority owner.

The Green Bay Packers are " community owned " but they recieve no

money from it nor can they use it as collateral or anything else. The

richest- Gates, Soro's, Oprah, etc own their corporations and enjoy their

profits. Forbes richest Americans in 2010?

1. Bill Gates - republican, but was a democrat until Clinton pissed him off

2.Warren Buffet - Democrat

3.Larry Ellison (Oracle) - Democrat

4. Christy Walton - Democrat and huge Obama supporter

5. Koch - Libertarian but leans heavily conservative

6. Koch - " " "

" & nb sp; " " same as brother above

7.Jim Walton - republican

8. Alice Walton - Democrat and a huge donor to all things democrat

9. S. Walton calls himself a democrat

10. Bloomberg - independent, but a lifelong Democrat who switched

parties to run for office in 1990's, then denounced republicans and left

11. Larry Page (Google) - Liberal Democrat

12. Sergey Brin (Google)- Liberal Democrat

13. Sheldon Adelson - long time democrat who switched parties because of

the very tax issue we are discussing - his platform is that he worked his

way up from trade school and a borrowed $200 for a vending route, so why

should he pay more taxes just because

14. Soros - nothing but a democrat and donates more money to

democratic causes than anyone else (political causes not charity, but I bet

he takes his tax break for it)

15. Dell - repub

So out of the top 15 ten are democrats or give to that party. I am

wondering why theese millionaires are keeping so much money, or why they

are even on the list since capitalism is evil, and I wonder of they all

voluntarily gave back their " extra " taxes and refused the tax breaks

they blame Bush for. These same people, like Buffet, claim it is wrong. If

so why do they make the list at all? Why are they not " sharing their

wealth? "

Corporations are owned by millions

of Americans through their 401K, IRA and other savings. Very few of those are

" rich. " Very

few large, successful corporations are owned by " a person. " Is it okay for someone who has

sacrificed and saved in their 401K and IRA to have his/her savings wiped

out so we can be more fair to those who did not prepare?

Val

From: hyperaldosteronism [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Bingham

Poor people

do not own corporations or business, " rich " people do and they

employ people - they also have businesses that need supplies from other

companies and they help keep those business going too, who in turn get to

employee other people. I guess the other option is we have to

" share " a corporation or a business with those " less

fortunate " too because the rich have too much already.

They could retire and just hand the business to someone who's not their

family so a less fortunate person would have it instead. Oh but wait,

then that means the less fortunate person would immediately and suddenly

be " more fortunate " and then, following the less fortunate

person rule, would immediately have to give that same business to someone

else (with no stipulations like hard work or education I gu ess) because

they would never want to be a hypocrite and have more than someone less

fortunate.

And I guess they should not or could not sell their business because then

too much money would be put into their bank account and that would not be

fair to those who are " less fortunate " who can't put that much

money into their accounts. I guess they could sell it and throw the money

on the street in a poor neighborhood and then....no wait..... those with

the guns would probably fight over the money, even though they complained

about the " rich " and how it was so unfair, but then they used

their guns to get and hoard MORE money than those now less fortunate.

Uhm....not sure how we are going to get our hard money to the less fortunate

because then they become fortunate, they have to give it away because

that is the new rule and then they are less fortunate again. What to d o

what to do........

Right? I mean we do have to share,by " we " I mean only the

rich do. Well except if your a politician because like in a typical

socialist society, the rules do not apply to them, just the masses,

because the politicians are so " smarter " than the rest of us

and they get their mansions, brothels, limo's, private jets, servants,

and so on.

And under Obama's guidelines Dr G , $160,000 is wealthy and so you

are a glutton who should be giving your money to those " less

fortunate " because to quote Obama on national television, " Now

is not the time for profits! " . And I guess you are " more "

fortunate because you bought or were handed your degree and didn't work a

lick for it or study for it, or stress over it, or come from an era where

you likely didn't sleep for a week while an intern all the while the poor

don't have the money to buy their degrees

...just smart#$^ sarcasm there people....having fun.....

March 5, 2011

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Max.

I must admit I am retiring to S Lake Tahoe on NV side because of not state income tax-yet.

CEG

March 5, 2011

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Tax

situations affect economic decision-making.

Val

From: hyperaldosteronism

[mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Clarence Grim

I must admit I am retiring to S Lake Tahoe on NV side because of not state

income tax-yet.

March 5, 2011

If you look at the numbers about ~40% of all dialysis is due to HTN maybe 80% in the Sub Saharan African Diaspora. Another ~50% is due to diabetes but you almost never get there for DM unless you have had HTN in the past. The contrast drug issues are usually superimposed on either HTN or HTN/DM renal damage already there. I agree on both counts. But not all kidney failure is due only to direct undiagnosed and undertreated HTN. Some people, unfortunately more than ever before, love those various substances out there and while mostly unintentional, cause kidney damage and failure. That and millions of contrast dyes given routinely now.The main disagreement I have, that while I wish the best for all of us, many are VERY fortunate, often much more fortunate than I ever was or am now, but if they do not do not take advantage of their "fortune". So are they now "less fortunate"? I argue they are UNfortunate and not "less fortunate".Charlie Sheen looks like he could be headed for dialysis one day. Is he then unfortunate, less fortunate, or what? Will he become less fortunate if he lost all his money? or would that be blowing the fortune you had and now you are "non-fortunate"food for thought.........no salt in it, but usually full of crapSubject: Re: Re: Political/taxation, etc.To: hyperaldosteronism Date: Thursday, March 3, 2011, 7:35 PM If they save more, how do they create jobs for you and me, according to your logic? NataliaTo: hyperaldosteronism Sent: Tue, March 1, 2011 9:45:38 PMSubject: RE: Re: Political/taxation, etc. In general, the more income, the less spent on taxable items. In general, the more income, the more saved. What is saved is not subject to a sales tax. My example was just to show that the higher the income level, the lower the EFFECTIVE sales tax rate. Economics 101. Val From: hyperaldosteronism [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Francis Bill SUSPECTED PA Define rich. Someone making $300000 may be better off then someone making $40000. But in todays world $300000 isn't rich. >> Hmmm so the rich dont spend any of their money?.

March 5, 2011

Either way I agree with you that the cost of dialysis is probably getting more people put in the ground than we actually know about. I also feel that my taxes should go to those who deserve help (not anyone who just "wants" welfare to avoid working or so they can go on having children on everyone else's bill) . But at the core, and in a basic tenet of human rights, no should be forced to carry more of the burden than others just because those less fortunate than the guy above them says they should. You work hard and study hard, the reward is usually financial, whether those with illnesses or those with just a pure lack of motivation say it is wrong or not. That same hard work and earning power usually carries an upward inertia. You discover how to succed, you hang on to it and will use it again and again...thus the "rich just get richer" mantra

people repeat with disdain in their voice is actually a byproduct of motivation and hard work. Now the Paris Hiltons, or the Heinz's, or the Kardashians, Kennedy's and so on got "fortunate". I would take advantage of my fortune if one came my way.We should not punish success, but celebrate it. Now about those crooked politicians ("crooked" was redundant there wasn't it?)Subject: Re: Re: Political/taxation, etc.To: hyperaldosteronism Date: Thursday, March 3, 2011, 7:35 PM If they save more, how do they create jobs for you and me, according to your logic? NataliaFrom: Valarie

To: hyperaldosteronism Sent: Tue, March 1, 2011 9:45:38 PMSubject: RE: Re: Political/taxation, etc. In general, the more income, the less spent on taxable items. In general, the more income, the more saved. What is saved is not subject to a sales tax. My example was just to show that the higher the income level, the lower the EFFECTIVE sales tax rate. Economics 101. Val From: hyperaldosteronism [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Francis Bill SUSPECTED PA Define rich. Someone making $300000 may be better off then someone making $40000. But in todays world $300000 isn't rich. >> Hmmm so the rich dont spend any of their money?.

March 5, 2011

My parents worked hard and studied hard and their school systems in invested money for them and lost it. The bush administration took away teachers retirement. They both worked in the education system their entire career and when they retired the govt said social security is enough for educators we aren't giving themthier retirement. My sister worked hard for the oil business and was planing on early retirement ... Guess what happened? I worked hard since I was 13. Then I got I'll. I can't work. I tried numerous ways to adapt but finally had to accept that I can't work. Everyone in my family has a strong work ethic and I see no financial gain.

Either way I agree with you that the cost of dialysis is probably getting more people put in the ground than we actually know about. I also feel that my taxes should go to those who deserve help (not anyone who just "wants" welfare to avoid working or so they can go on having children on everyone else's bill) . But at the core, and in a basic tenet of human rights, no should be forced to carry more of the burden than others just because those less fortunate than the guy above them says they should. You work hard and study hard, the reward is usually financial, whether those with illnesses or those with just a pure lack of motivation say it is wrong or not. That same hard work and earning power usually carries an upward inertia. You discover how to succed, you hang on to it and will use it again and again...thus the "rich just get richer" mantra

people repeat with disdain in their voice is actually a byproduct of motivation and hard work. Now the Paris Hiltons, or the Heinz's, or the Kardashians, Kennedy's and so on got "fortunate". I would take advantage of my fortune if one came my way.We should not punish success, but celebrate it. Now about those crooked politicians ("crooked" was redundant there wasn't it?)Subject: Re: Re: Political/taxation, etc.To: hyperaldosteronism Date: Thursday, March 3, 2011, 7:35 PM If they save more, how do they create jobs for you and me, according to your logic? NataliaFrom: Valarie

To: hyperaldosteronism Sent: Tue, March 1, 2011 9:45:38 PMSubject: RE: Re: Political/taxation, etc. In general, the more income, the less spent on taxable items. In general, the more income, the more saved. What is saved is not subject to a sales tax. My example was just to show that the higher the income level, the lower the EFFECTIVE sales tax rate. Economics 101. Val From: hyperaldosteronism [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Francis Bill SUSPECTED PA Define rich. Someone making $300000 may be better off then someone making $40000. But in todays world $300000 isn't rich. >> Hmmm so the rich dont spend any of their money?.

March 5, 2011

Teaching is not a high paying profession. never has been, likely never will. Some careers are not high paying and never will be. A masters in social work is lucky to make $30,000 a year. My father was a machinist all my young life and we were mostly destitute all my young life. But he grinded it out all day every day from 4am to who knows when. but they weren't school teacher hours 8-4 with months off every year. So you take some you give some. Want more money change careers or pick one that meets your desire of becoming wealthy. You pick, 4 years of school to teach school or 12 years to become a doctor. You have to decide the rewards for yourself. I personally never met a teacher who thought they would get wealthy. It's a salaried career, no overtime, but you do get summers off. So income is low. Can't find any evidence on the internet

about Bush "taking away retirement" for teachers so I am not sure what you mean. And an investment has risks. That's a chance you take. Most like a 401k because they can decide where it goes to some degree. With that come risk and if you see dollar signs and spend the money before you make it, you sow your lot by taking a high risk investement.Many who lose money in investments do so because they want fast returns or to make those millions so they invest in a high risk entity seeing those dollar signs. And while we want to believe we are so altruistic and that the "me" is the only honest good one out there, it still boils down to money. That is what everyone wants no matter how they say it. Sick people can write for a living, become a photographer, teach online, and can go to school for something less hard on the body. Yeah yeah I know you would lose healthcare, for awhile anyway, until you could pay your own like most of the US

does. Being ill is only a death sentence if you let it. I sadly know many who WANT on disability as I have them come in as young as 24 for all sorts of things. And they are not really ill.I guess alot is hard to understand about what people actually want. Is everyone, no matter what, sick or well, lazy or not, druggie or not, in prison or not, child molester or not, entitled to all the healthcare they want, a free car or two, a house of their choosing, money put in the bank for them, or what? Don't quite get it. Yes some are just evil people. The rich steal the poor steal, and everyone wants that one thing. Money. I am sorry your parents couldn't find stability happy as that is the reason most teach, not wealth.BTW, my father, at age 56, went BACK to school and became a respiratory therapist, went and found a high paying job with Kaiser (he's 61 and making with OT about $80.000 a year), got a great retirement plan that he puts his

own money into too, has healthcare, and is happy. I believe in the power of self to accomplish anything. If you don't want to conquer anything or climb a difficult mountain than my advice is to find contentment and quit coveting someone else's money and quit trying to spend other's money. I think taxes are too high for everyone BTW. But with the logic on here that the rich have to do more of their part than it has to have a cut-off point and a trickle down. after all there is a family somewhere right now less fortunate than you and many of us who are living in their car with no health insurance, even disability, and no income at all. They are "less fortunate" than you. By the mentality that those MORE fortunate have to help the others less fortunate for "fairness" maybe you could go find that family living in their car right now and let them stay with you since you have "more" and that would be fair. Or is their some kind of income

cut-off where we say here's the new mason- dixon line, where the more fortunate over there and you less fortunate over there and then we can collect all the belongings and divvy them up those on the other side of the line?All In the name of fairness of course. Oh wait....the Nazi's already tried that with those "filthy rich, money hungry Jews". Didn't work out to well I recall.Subject: Re: Re: Political/taxation, etc.To: hyperaldosteronism Date: Thursday, March 3, 2011, 7:35 PM If they save more, how do they create jobs for you and me, according to your

logic? NataliaFrom: Valarie

To: hyperaldosteronism Sent: Tue, March 1, 2011 9:45:38 PMSubject: RE: Re: Political/taxation, etc. In general, the more income, the less spent on taxable items. In general, the more income, the more saved. What is saved is not subject to a sales tax. My example was just to show that the higher the income level, the lower the EFFECTIVE sales tax rate. Economics 101. Val From: hyperaldosteronism [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Francis Bill SUSPECTED PA Define rich. Someone making $300000 may be better off then someone making $40000. But in todays world $300000 isn't rich. >> Hmmm so the rich dont spend any of their money?.

March 5, 2011

Explain

exactly how the Bush administration took away teachers' retirement.Â I'm curious.

Val

From: hyperaldosteronism

[mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Txsgreen

My

parents worked hard and studied hard and their school systems in invested money

for them and lost it. The bush administration took away teachers retirement.

They both worked in the education system their entire career and when they

retired the govt said social security is enough for educators we aren't giving

themthier retirement.

March 5, 2011

I was

curious about this because teachers here have approximately double the benefits

as the private sector. As horrible,

mean and ugly and evil Bush was, he never came close to their retirement

benefits in Colorado.

I'd still like some

proof that " when they retired the govt said social security is

enough for educators we aren't giving them thier retirement. "

Val

From: hyperaldosteronism

[mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Francis Bill

SUSPECTED PA

Maybe this is what she is talking about

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/nation/2399154.html

Or this one

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all & address=104x1965992

>

> Explain exactly how the Bush administration took away teachers'

retirement. I'm curious.

>

> Val

>

> From: hyperaldosteronism

[mailto:hyperaldosteronism ]

On Behalf Of Txsgreen

>

> My parents worked hard and studied hard and their school systems in

invested money for them and lost it. The bush administration took away teachers

retirement. They both worked in the education system their entire career and

when they retired the govt said social security is enough for educators we

aren't giving themthier retirement.

>

March 5, 2011

Every sick person is well enough to find work? What world do you live in? I adapted and adapted til I had to quit. I was an event coordinator then a cafe manager then worked at target then got a job delivering parcels for lawyers then did temp work then secret shopping then taught myself graphic arts so I could work from homeNow I can't sit at a computer for more than 15 minutes without pain. I tried to keep working. I defined myself by what I could do. It was so massively depressing to have to quit I felt I had nothing to give to the world so why exist. Luckily I met more compassionate people than you and I found worth in just being me. I try to give back to the world by listening to my nieces and nephew and being an adult they can come to. I can't even do volunteer work since I can't know how I will feel on a specific date. I can't make plans with anyone because I may be crippled that day. I live day to day and try to contribute as best I can. What I don't need is prejudiced opinions from people that haven't walked in my shoes. I used to be that prejudiced person. I thought people seeking govt aid were all pregnant or substance users. So the gods or whoever thought I needed a smack down. I wet from being a fit woman who holidayed in Europe every year to a fat I'll woman who has compassion. I was naive and prejudiced. Now I'm awake and kinder.

Teaching is not a high paying profession. never has been, likely never will. Some careers are not high paying and never will be. A masters in social work is lucky to make $30,000 a year. My father was a machinist all my young life and we were mostly destitute all my young life. But he grinded it out all day every day from 4am to who knows when. but they weren't school teacher hours 8-4 with months off every year. So you take some you give some. Want more money change careers or pick one that meets your desire of becoming wealthy. You pick, 4 years of school to teach school or 12 years to become a doctor. You have to decide the rewards for yourself. I personally never met a teacher who thought they would get wealthy. It's a salaried career, no overtime, but you do get summers off. So income is low. Can't find any evidence on the internet

about Bush "taking away retirement" for teachers so I am not sure what you mean. And an investment has risks. That's a chance you take. Most like a 401k because they can decide where it goes to some degree. With that come risk and if you see dollar signs and spend the money before you make it, you sow your lot by taking a high risk investement.Many who lose money in investments do so because they want fast returns or to make those millions so they invest in a high risk entity seeing those dollar signs. And while we want to believe we are so altruistic and that the "me" is the only honest good one out there, it still boils down to money. That is what everyone wants no matter how they say it. Sick people can write for a living, become a photographer, teach online, and can go to school for something less hard on the body. Yeah yeah I know you would lose healthcare, for awhile anyway, until you could pay your own like most of the US

does. Being ill is only a death sentence if you let it. I sadly know many who WANT on disability as I have them come in as young as 24 for all sorts of things. And they are not really ill.I guess alot is hard to understand about what people actually want. Is everyone, no matter what, sick or well, lazy or not, druggie or not, in prison or not, child molester or not, entitled to all the healthcare they want, a free car or two, a house of their choosing, money put in the bank for them, or what? Don't quite get it. Yes some are just evil people. The rich steal the poor steal, and everyone wants that one thing. Money. I am sorry your parents couldn't find stability happy as that is the reason most teach, not wealth.BTW, my father, at age 56, went BACK to school and became a respiratory therapist, went and found a high paying job with Kaiser (he's 61 and making with OT about $80.000 a year), got a great retirement plan that he puts his

own money into too, has healthcare, and is happy. I believe in the power of self to accomplish anything. If you don't want to conquer anything or climb a difficult mountain than my advice is to find contentment and quit coveting someone else's money and quit trying to spend other's money. I think taxes are too high for everyone BTW. But with the logic on here that the rich have to do more of their part than it has to have a cut-off point and a trickle down. after all there is a family somewhere right now less fortunate than you and many of us who are living in their car with no health insurance, even disability, and no income at all. They are "less fortunate" than you. By the mentality that those MORE fortunate have to help the others less fortunate for "fairness" maybe you could go find that family living in their car right now and let them stay with you since you have "more" and that would be fair. Or is their some kind of income

cut-off where we say here's the new mason- dixon line, where the more fortunate over there and you less fortunate over there and then we can collect all the belongings and divvy them up those on the other side of the line?All In the name of fairness of course. Oh wait....the Nazi's already tried that with those "filthy rich, money hungry Jews". Didn't work out to well I recall.Subject: Re: Re: Political/taxation, etc.To: hyperaldosteronism Date: Thursday, March 3, 2011, 7:35 PM If they save more, how do they create jobs for you and me, according to your

logic? NataliaFrom: Valarie

To: hyperaldosteronism Sent: Tue, March 1, 2011 9:45:38 PMSubject: RE: Re: Political/taxation, etc. In general, the more income, the less spent on taxable items. In general, the more income, the more saved. What is saved is not subject to a sales tax. My example was just to show that the higher the income level, the lower the EFFECTIVE sales tax rate. Economics 101. Val From: hyperaldosteronism [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Francis Bill SUSPECTED PA Define rich. Someone making $300000 may be better off then someone making $40000. But in todays world $300000 isn't rich. >> Hmmm so the rich dont spend any of their money?.

March 5, 2011

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You're a saint, Francis . I think what we have here is people with firm views and opinions. On all sides. And it becomes pointless after a while to keep on. By the way my father was the school superintendent and made decent money. He is also a hard core fox news watching republican. He still blames bush but spouts a lot of the fox news 'facts' . He was very lucky. He bought a very cheap house on the bay in Texas. A guy from zztop built a massive home on the street. He sold his 45,000 home for 500,00. They lived in it about 18 years. So he retired to a bungalow in Colorado. No thanks to his govt or his work ethic. He is ok because a rock star wanted a hideaway on a dead end street. Plus another stroke of luck- right after he sold the home a hurricane destroyed it. Luckily the new owners were going to destroy it and build up but my da would have been homeless.

Maybe this is what she is talking about

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/nation/2399154.html Or this one

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all & address=104x1965992

>

> Explain exactly how the Bush administration took away teachers' retirement. I'm curious.

>

> Val

>

> From: hyperaldosteronism [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Txsgreen

>

> My parents worked hard and studied hard and their school systems in invested money for them and lost it. The bush administration took away teachers retirement. They both worked in the education system their entire career and when they retired the govt said social security is enough for educators we aren't giving themthier retirement.

>

March 5, 2011

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You're a saint, Francis . I think what we have here is people with firm views and opinions. On all sides. And it becomes pointless after a while to keep on. By the way my father was the school superintendent and made decent money. He is also a hard core fox news watching republican. He still blames bush but spouts a lot of the fox news 'facts' . He was very lucky. He bought a very cheap house on the bay in Texas. A guy from zztop built a massive home on the street. He sold his 45,000 home for 500,00. They lived in it about 18 years. So he retired to a bungalow in Colorado. No thanks to his govt or his work ethic. He is ok because a rock star wanted a hideaway on a dead end street. Plus another stroke of luck- right after he sold the home a hurricane destroyed it. Luckily the new owners were going to destroy it and build up but my da would have been homeless.

Maybe this is what she is talking about

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/nation/2399154.html Or this one

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all & address=104x1965992

>

> Explain exactly how the Bush administration took away teachers' retirement. I'm curious.

>

> Val

>

> From: hyperaldosteronism [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Txsgreen

>

> My parents worked hard and studied hard and their school systems in invested money for them and lost it. The bush administration took away teachers retirement. They both worked in the education system their entire career and when they retired the govt said social security is enough for educators we aren't giving themthier retirement.

>

March 5, 2011

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Every sick person is well enough to find work? What world do you live in? I adapted and adapted til I had to quit. I was an event coordinator then a cafe manager then worked at target then got a job delivering parcels for lawyers then did temp work then secret shopping then taught myself graphic arts so I could work from homeNow I can't sit at a computer for more than 15 minutes without pain. I tried to keep working. I defined myself by what I could do. It was so massively depressing to have to quit I felt I had nothing to give to the world so why exist. Luckily I met more compassionate people than you and I found worth in just being me. I try to give back to the world by listening to my nieces and nephew and being an adult they can come to. I can't even do volunteer work since I can't know how I will feel on a specific date. I can't make plans with anyone because I may be crippled that day. I live day to day and try to contribute as best I can. What I don't

need is prejudiced opinions from people that haven't walked in my shoes. I used to be that prejudiced person. I thought people seeking govt aid were all pregnant or substance users. So the gods or whoever thought I needed a smack down. I wet from being a fit woman who holidayed in Europe every year to a fat I'll woman who has compassion. I was naive and prejudiced. Now I'm awake and kinder.

Teaching is not a high paying profession. never has been, likely never will. Some careers are not high paying and never will be. A masters in social work is lucky to make $30,000 a year. My father was a machinist all my young life and we were mostly destitute all my young life. But he grinded it out all day every day from 4am to who knows when. but they weren't school teacher hours 8-4 with months off every year. So you take some you give some. Want more money change careers or pick one that meets your desire of becoming wealthy. You pick, 4 years of school to teach school or 12 years to become a doctor. You have to decide the rewards for yourself. I personally never met a teacher who thought they would get wealthy. It's a salaried career, no overtime, but you do get summers off. So income is low. Can't find any evidence on the internet

about Bush "taking away retirement" for teachers so I am not sure what you mean. And an investment has risks. That's a chance you take. Most like a 401k because they can decide where it goes to some degree. With that come risk and if you see dollar signs and spend the money before you make it, you sow your lot by taking a high risk investement.Many who lose money in investments do so because they want fast returns or to make those millions so they invest in a high risk entity seeing those dollar signs. And while we want to believe we are so altruistic and that the "me" is the only honest good one out there, it still boils down to money. That is what everyone wants no matter how they say it. Sick people can write for a living, become a photographer, teach online, and can go to school for something less hard on the body. Yeah yeah I know you would lose healthcare, for awhile anyway, until you could pay your own like most of the US

does. Being ill is only a death sentence if you let it. I sadly know many who WANT on disability as I have them come in as young as 24 for all sorts of things. And they are not really ill.I guess alot is hard to understand about what people actually want. Is everyone, no matter what, sick or well, lazy or not, druggie or not, in prison or not, child molester or not, entitled to all the healthcare they want, a free car or two, a house of their choosing, money put in the bank for them, or what? Don't quite get it. Yes some are just evil people. The rich steal the poor steal, and everyone wants that one thing. Money. I am sorry your parents couldn't find stability happy as that is the reason most teach, not wealth.BTW, my father, at age 56, went BACK to school and became a respiratory therapist, went and found a high paying job with Kaiser (he's 61 and making with OT about $80.000 a year), got a great retirement plan that he puts his

own money into too, has healthcare, and is happy. I believe in the power of self to accomplish anything. If you don't want to conquer anything or climb a difficult mountain than my advice is to find contentment and quit coveting someone else's money and quit trying to spend other's money. I think taxes are too high for everyone BTW. But with the logic on here that the rich have to do more of their part than it has to have a cut-off point and a trickle down. after all there is a family somewhere right now less fortunate than you and many of us who are living in their car with no health insurance, even disability, and no income at all. They are "less fortunate" than you. By the mentality that those MORE fortunate have to help the others less fortunate for "fairness" maybe you could go find that family living in their car right now and let them stay with you since you have "more" and that would be fair. Or is their some kind of income

cut-off where we say here's the new mason- dixon line, where the more fortunate over there and you less fortunate over there and then we can collect all the belongings and divvy them up those on the other side of the line?All In the name of fairness of course. Oh wait....the Nazi's already tried that with those "filthy rich, money hungry Jews". Didn't work out to well I recall.Subject: Re: Re: Political/taxation, etc.To: hyperaldosteronism Date: Thursday, March 3, 2011, 7:35 PM If they save

more, how do they create jobs for you and me, according to your

logic? NataliaFrom: Valarie

To: hyperaldosteronism Sent: Tue, March 1, 2011 9:45:38 PMSubject: RE: Re: Political/taxation, etc. In general, the more income, the less spent on taxable items. In general, the more income, the more saved. What is saved is not subject to a sales tax. My example was just to show that the higher the income level, the lower the EFFECTIVE sales tax rate. Economics 101. Val From: hyperaldosteronism [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Francis Bill SUSPECTED PA Define rich. Someone making $300000 may be better off then someone making $40000. But in todays world $300000 isn't rich. >> Hmmm so the rich dont spend any of their money?.

March 5, 2011

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Lyme was never exterminated.

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From: hyperaldosteronism

[mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Txsgreen

Every

sick person is well enough to find work? What world do you live in? I adapted

and adapted til I had to quit. I was an event coordinator then a cafe manager

then worked at target then got a job delivering parcels for lawyers then did

temp work then secret shopping then taught myself graphic arts so I could work

from home

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I can't sit at a computer for more than 15 minutes without pain. I tried to

keep working. I defined myself by what I could do. It was so massively

depressing to have to quit I felt I had nothing to give to the world so why

exist. Luckily I met more compassionate people than you and I found worth in

just being me. I try to give back to the world by listening to my nieces and

nephew and being an adult they can come to. I can't even do volunteer work

since I can't know how I will feel on a specific date. I can't make plans with

anyone because I may be crippled that day. I live day to day and try to

contribute as best I can. What I don't need is prejudiced opinions from people

that haven't walked in my shoes.

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My point is you (by you I mean all of us, ie...anyone as I do not know you and it's not by any means personal) can see illness as an end all-be all situation. Once disability then forever to most people. My other point is there is always something someone can do, unless you're paralyzed than forgive me. Except maybe someone like Hawking (Look him up if you don't know). He's disabled. You have your example of can't do it anymore and I have my example in Hawking that he will do it no matter what. Who's right and who's wrong. No one. It's just our opinions. And he can't literally hold a pen. But you HAVE been writing these posts.........and it appears you write fine, but that was just an example anyway. I can't balance my checkbook either and many a successful for- a - while millionaires have gone broke and declared

bankruptcy. Knowing how to balance a checkbook sure helps, but is not a requirement unless you took a job as an accountant. Don't know about you but I am not disabled but would get fired the first hour if I was accountant! If you have a dream, outside of our discussions on getting more from the rich if that is how you lean, pursue it. If even for fun. Likely for you and me, no lottery winnings are coming, no inheritance coming, no sudden cash at our doorstep, and you and I both and all of us, we can either be content with what we have, or figure out, disabled or not, how to go get it. Or pray that magic happens and wealth comes our way without doing anything.And the rich STILL pay more taxes in both sheer amount and percentage. Maybe they should put this on SNOPES.com as an urban myth that they pay less taxes. And many many, well most Americans who are low to middle class, actually get more than they put in on their returns.

So in all honesty most Americans actually get paid to pay taxes. Yet they complain they pay MORE when that is false. They net pay nothing. The rich get some tax breaks - so do you and I - but end up paying without getting ANY back.So really we mostly just pay state taxes. And some make no money at all, but still get earned income credit and money back. Not sure why that is fair. But I must say when the politicians, who most are millionaires as ironically as that is, "hate the rich" along with the masses, there's the vote for them. We want to believe so bad that all rich get ill gotten gains and us little people are little because big oil keeps us there and it is never our fault WE don't get an Escalade or a mansion. Well, I am not staying down here and I don't hate rich. But I also don't care about the escalade and a mansion. If and when I get "rich" I just want to pay off my student loans.--- On

Sat, 3/5/11, Francis Bill SUSPECTED PA wrote:Subject: Re: Political/taxation, etc.To: hyperaldosteronism Date: Saturday, March 5, 2011, 4:24 PM

Dr Grim was said some of his PT couldn't or had problems thaking care of there check books. So if one has problems with check book how can they can write for a living, become a photographer, teach online, and can go to school for something less hard on the body?

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And no one ever said "EVERY" sick person can work. I believe most can, but that is my opinion and observation. But every sick person on here is also writing a post so they can do something right? Subject: Re: Political/taxation, etc.To: hyperaldosteronism Date: Saturday, March 5, 2011, 4:24 PM

Dr Grim was said some of his PT couldn't or had problems thaking care of there check books. So if one has problems with check book how can they can write for a living, become a photographer, teach online, and can go to school for something less hard on the body?

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Here's hoping that mr. Bingham never becomes disabled. Unfortunatly he will never understand people that are honestly disabled or have compassion for us unless it happens to him. I truly hope you never have to gain wisdom the hard way. I joined this list to gain knowledge not defend the rights of disabled. I believe that us humans tend to learn by experience. We drop our prejudices when we experience hardships. Until most people genuinely experience things we tend to have closed minds. I feel no more need to try to have someone try to see my point of view when it is clear they never will. I do hope people that have hateful views of the disabled never become disabled themselves but I feel no need to carry on conversations with people that look down on me. I'll stick to talking about PA.

The VA uses the term gainfully employed. As you say most can do some work. Question is can one earn enough to support themselves? I can tell you wouldn't be able to this in my current state of health and mind.

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And no one ever said "EVERY" sick person can work. I believe most can, but that is my opinion and observation. But every sick person on here is also writing a post so they can do something right? Subject: Re: Political/taxation, etc.To: hyperaldosteronism Date: Saturday, March 5, 2011, 4:24 PM

Dr Grim was said some of his PT couldn't or had problems thaking care of there check books. So if one has problems with check book how can they can write for a living, become a photographer, teach online, and can go to school for something less hard on the body?

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I think you're right. Now if only o could find a dr who agreed.