Guest guest Posted October 11, 2010 Report Share Posted October 11, 2010 Hi everyone! I have created a neroli-based perfume for a client and it is gorgeous in alcohol. However, she is a doctor of chinese medicine and will actually be using it in a therapeutic setting and wants it in an oil base. I feel pretty comfortable re-formulating to ramp up the amount of botanicals but would appreciate any wise words from those who work in oil. Also, she is looking for a pretty bottle with a dauber. Actually, probably a quantity of pretty bottles with a dauber to sell the perfume to her patients. Any help? I will spend tonight looking through some of the recommended bottle sites but it always helps to have first-hand experience. Thanks - Elise www.tambela.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2010 Report Share Posted October 11, 2010 I personally have become entranced with Egyptian perfume bottles....pyrex, great shapes, etc., FromCairoWithLove is my source right now, but I'm not sure if this meets the requirements for your customer. Keep in mind these are made for oil based perfumes at least in part due to the whole Muslim non-alcohol thing (they sell some perfume oils on their site but they look synthetic...but that doesn't keep you from doing as you will with them of course!). There are occasional dabs of the gold paint on the stoppers that are baked into them (the stoppers/daubers) at high heat and don't come off when rubbed hard with a fingernail if done correctly (out of almost 80 bottles no stoppers have not been baked correctly, and maybe 5% of the bottles have had a bit of paint not heated enough which I set aside for my own display purposes only) but for all I know that might be a no no from a medicine stand point. For the price there is nothing more ornate from what I have found, and they take a lot of pride in their work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 ________________________________ To: naturalperfumery Sent: Mon, October 11, 2010 1:30:49 PM Subject: Oil perfume Hi everyone! I have created a neroli-based perfume for a client and it is gorgeous in alcohol. However, she is a doctor of chinese medicine and will actually be using it in a therapeutic setting and wants it in an oil base. I feel pretty comfortable re-formulating to ramp up the amount of botanicals but would appreciate any wise words from those who work in oil. Also, she is looking for a pretty bottle with a dauber. Actually, probably a quantity of pretty bottles with a dauber to sell the perfume to her patients. Any help? I will spend tonight looking through some of the recommended bottle sites but it always helps to have first-hand experience. Thanks - Elise www.tambela.com ********************************************************************** Hi Elise, Nemat has some nice bottles and I've had good experience with them in the past: http://www.bestbottles.com/index.html Patty Ganache for Lips http://www.ganacheforlips.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2010 Report Share Posted October 13, 2010 Hi Elise, I have switched to FCO this year for all my new blends and Everything seemed to transfer beautifully. I like working with oil , and after I found the incense resin notes I wanted blended with the oil I was very pleased. My new line is " Body Incense Oils " and I have to say that it really seems to agree with the way I like to work. I guess it depends on what kind of oil base she requires for her work and what essentials you want to use. I will try to look up my source for dauber bottles they are nice but not too fancy, clear glass. blessings my friend, Katlyn Katlyn Breene Mermade Magickal Arts (since 1984) katmermade@... http://www.mermadearts.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2010 Report Share Posted October 13, 2010 > Hi Elise, > > I have switched to FCO this year for all my new blends and > Everything > seemed to transfer beautifully. I like working with oil , > and after I > found the incense resin notes I wanted blended with the oil > I was very > pleased. My new line is " Body Incense Oils " and I have to > say that it > really seems to agree with the way I like to work. > I guess it depends on what kind of oil base she > requires for her > work and what essentials you want to use. I will try to > look up my > source for dauber bottles they are nice but not too fancy, > clear glass. > > blessings my friend, > > Katlyn > > Katlyn Breene > Mermade Magickal Arts (since 1984) > katmermade@... > http://www.mermadearts.com/ > > Hi Katlyn and everyone who responded, I haven't yet tried the blend in oil but will try to get to it tomorrow. I also have a new perfume of my own that seems to be asking for an oil base. For the client, we have a number of EO/aromatherapy blends that she would like in grapeseed oil but I think I can do the neroli blend in FCO. This client has a great nose and is fun to work with. Body incense oils sound great, I love the rest of your stuff! Elise www.tambela.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2010 Report Share Posted October 13, 2010 Hello, I need a little advice please. I have always made perfume with alcohol, but have been trying an oil based perfume and also solid perfume. I find that the oil seems to 'eat' up the fragrance and then I can't smell anything at all. With the solid perfume, I cool the oils down as far as I can before adding the essential oils etc but the same thing happens. I feel like giving up and going back to alcohol ! Can anyone tell me what I am doing wrong please ? I would appreciate any help, thanks a bunch. Big hugs, joey http://www.etsy.com/shop/antiquemajik http://www.madeit.com.au/storecatalog.asp?userid=2592 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2010 Report Share Posted October 14, 2010 > > > > Hi Katlyn and everyone who responded, > > I haven't yet tried the blend in oil but will try to get to it tomorrow. I also have a new perfume of my own that seems to be asking for an oil base. For the client, we have a number of EO/aromatherapy blends that she would like in grapeseed oil but I think I can do the neroli blend in FCO. This client has a great nose and is fun to work with. > > Body incense oils sound great, I love the rest of your stuff! > > Elise > www.tambela.com > Hi Elise, Hi Katlyn I know most folk suggest increasing the top notes when working in oils and balms... I don't have access to an alcohol I'm happy with, so jojoba and beeswax balms are all that I know. I've gravitated towards making very intense bases with staying-power, and include them in larger proportion than might seem sensible at first... and follow this by almost ladelling in the top notes around the heart. My sense is this strong 'solid' base is like a bellows which pushes or 'blows' the higher proportion of top notes out... it makes them sing without flying away - as you'd usually expect in this medium - but they do hold their own, and have good sillage in the opening. I am an acupuncturist / TCM practitioner ... I feel this kind of base gives the top notes enough qi to escape their 'heavy' oily carrier. Counterintuitive, and a bit odd perhaps.. but the experiments seem to to be coming along ok. Katlyn.. I'm wondering if your process with your incense body oils has produced a similar effect...? You both sound as if you're making beautiful things Margi Macdonald Brisbane, Australia http://margihealing.wordpress.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2010 Report Share Posted October 14, 2010 Hi , What percentage of oils to alcohol are you using? I think with solid perfumes you need to use about 30%. Anya's webmistress K Naturals has a tutorial. Jane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2010 Report Share Posted October 14, 2010 > > Hi Elise, > > I have switched to FCO this year for all my new blends and Everything > seemed to transfer beautifully. I like working with oil , and after I > found the incense resin notes I wanted blended with the oil I was very > pleased. My new line is " Body Incense Oils " and I have to say that it > really seems to agree with the way I like to work. > I guess it depends on what kind of oil base she requires for her > work and what essentials you want to use. I will try to look up my > source for dauber bottles they are nice but not too fancy, clear glass. > > blessings my friend, > > Katlyn > > Katlyn Breene > Mermade Magickal Arts (since 1984) > katmermade@... > http://www.mermadearts.com/ Hi Katlyn, I have such a passion for working in oil perfumery and have developed quite a knack for creating long lasting perfumes that are not only beautiful but affordable too. I am hoping to complete an Osmanthus perfume shortly that has been in process for the last year! Since I only sell oil based perfumes, I was especially happy to see your update! Off to check out your site. All the best, www.myskinsoapstudio.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2010 Report Share Posted October 15, 2010 Hi Folks, Margi, I feel the same about the base notes, your concept is very interesting . Base notes are why the Body Incense concept, I love the woods and resins, makes sense with what I do for a living. It was challenging to find the right Labdanum, one of my favorite base notes that would blend with FCO oil. I gave up on jojoba . But Eden has that great clear Labdanum that works like magic. Will I hope you keep that in-stock for ever! , It has seems that I have had the opposite experience with oil vs alcohol. I kept uping the % of EO in the alcohol and found that after year on the dark shelf it was loosing potency and I felt like I never perfected the art of vanquishing the alcohol element completely, where the FCO blends had retained the original scent or improved it. We all have different blending styles and mine just seems to work with the incense notes and oil. The new line is sold in small vials and very concentrated. More as a scent experience , like incense, meant to inspire in the moment and not a classic perfume balance/style. We will see if folks respond to it... Blessings, , Katlyn Katlyn Breene Mermade Magickal Arts (since 1984) katmermade@... http://www.mermadearts.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2010 Report Share Posted October 15, 2010 Hello Katlyn and thank you. I figure it's prolly because I have always worked with a mixture of essential oils and aroma chems. That's prolly why the alcohol works so well for me. I'm not a purest ! hehehehee I'll give anything a try. LOL. So if I use only essential oils then it might work ? This maybe a dumb question but when you say FCO. is that fractionated coconut oil ? I was using jojoba. I just had a look at your website. it's beautiful ! When I grow up I want a website too. Tehehehee. Hugs, joey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2010 Report Share Posted October 16, 2010 Hi , Yes I meant Fractionated coconut oil....Best wishes on your work. Thanks for checking us out. Blessings, Katlyn Katlyn Breene Mermade Magickal Arts (since 1984) katmermade@... http://www.mermadearts.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2010 Report Share Posted October 16, 2010 Hi Katlyn and thank you. I shall try the fractionated coconut oil and see what happens. I went to the market today and it was so hot that all my lovely lotion bars became little puddles ! hahahahahahaa Hugs, joey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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