Guest guest Posted February 26, 2011 Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 , you're sounding just like the close-minded who think that Synthroid is the only thyroid medication available; the ones who have virtually no understanding of the conversion, or lack thereof, of T4 to T3. One can get just as " high " or energetic on T4. So what is your take on adding synthetic T3 to synthetic T4? How about if FT3 is in the pits? Is a combo okay then? You're in the emergency room. Do you check T3 with your heart attack and stroke patients? Val From: hyperaldosteronism [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Bingham Arsenic and cocaine were also used 100 years ago. .. . doesnt make them good now. it is just harder to regulate. people will get hyper on it but refuse to stop it even when all tests (yes i know what t3 is BTW) show hyper. they like the energy. but hyper is inherently dangerous. i am not arguing with you over whether they refuse to stop it as i am the one who deals with those patients >, can you give me some research that says " Armour thyroid is one of the >biggest danger " ? What is the danger? It has been successfully used for >over 100 years. Many people do not convert T4 to T3 well and need some T3. >Your standard tests don't even consider that lack of conversion. > >Val > >From: hyperaldosteronism >[mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Bingham >Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2011 9:20 AM >To: hyperaldosteronism >Subject: RE: Re: aldosterone 37 > > >Armour thyroid is one of the biggest dangers. people think if it is > " natural " it is better as if they " one-upped " big pharmacy and the medical >establishment. Belladonna, arsenic, mercury are natural but incredibly >harmful, natural or not. > > > >>Armour can be ordered by any pharmacy in 1/4 grain (15 mg) sizes. I should >>have said that compounded meds can vary. I think there have been studies on >>that issue. I took 1/4 grain + T4 for a long time but finally went off the >>Armour. Invariably, it sent me into episodes of high BP, etc. I now take >>Cytomel + T4 and am doing much better with it. >> >> >>Val >> >>From: hyperaldosteronism ><mailto:hyperaldosteronism%40yahoogroups.com> >>[mailto:hyperaldosteronism ><mailto:hyperaldosteronism%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Pam Scriber >> >> >> >>my regular pharmacy does not do it in between dosages of 100 and 125... I >>have been on 110, then 120, then 115 and we are not sure where we are going >>now. >>I always use the same compounding pharmacy. >>On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 12:24 PM, Valarie <val@... ><mailto:val%40wyosip.com> > wrote: >> >>Compounding pharmacies can vary. Why not, if you want to use Armour, just >>buy it through as regular prescription? >> Val >>From: hyperaldosteronism ><mailto:hyperaldosteronism%40yahoogroups.com> >>[mailto:hyperaldosteronism ><mailto:hyperaldosteronism%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Pam Scriber >>they did one in the doctors office lab and then backed it up by sending it >>to Labcorp for a second opinion. >>I am on 115 mg done through a compouding pharmacy. >>Pam >>On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 12:08 PM, Clarence Grim <lowerbp2@... ><mailto:lowerbp2%40mac.com> > wrote: >>Lab reliable? Maybe one reason is the variability or Armour meds >> >> >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2011 Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 There are many thyroid medications from which to choose. Val From: hyperaldosteronism [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Clarence Grim So if you have a pork allergey what do you do? But prob not likely. CE Grim MD On Feb 26, 2011, at 10:57 AM, Valarie wrote: So, which is the " real stuff " ? (See below) Prescription desiccated thyroid is never made from cows. From: hyperaldosteronism [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Clarence Grim All Thyroid is Chemical just depends on who makes it. The chemist or the cow/pig. By " real stuff " I assume you mean the synthetic chemicals? From: hyperaldosteronism [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Clarence Grim Recommend you use the real stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2011 Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 TRUE, but everyone can't use all of the.. takes a lot of experimentation Pam There are many thyroid medications from which to choose. Val From: hyperaldosteronism [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Clarence Grim So if you have a pork allergey what do you do? But prob not likely. CE Grim MD So, which is the " real stuff " ? (See below) Prescription desiccated thyroid is never made from cows. From: hyperaldosteronism [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Clarence Grim All Thyroid is Chemical just depends on who makes it. The chemist or the cow/pig. By " real stuff " I assume you mean the synthetic chemicals? From: hyperaldosteronism [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Clarence Grim Recommend you use the real stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2011 Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 Sounds like high blood pressure or all of medicine. Everyone is an experiment. What you want is an experienced experimenter. Tiped sad Send form miiPhone ;-)May your pressure be low!CE Grim MDSpecializing in DifficultHypertension TRUE, but everyone can't use all of the.. takes a lot of experimentation Pam There are many thyroid medications from which to choose. Val From: hyperaldosteronism [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Clarence Grim So if you have a pork allergey what do you do? But prob not likely. CE Grim MD So, which is the "real stuff"? (See below) Prescription desiccated thyroid is never made from cows. From: hyperaldosteronism [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Clarence Grim All Thyroid is Chemical just depends on who makes it. The chemist or the cow/pig. By "real stuff" I assume you mean the synthetic chemicals? From: hyperaldosteronism [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Clarence Grim Recommend you use the real stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2011 Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 Again just like HTN but we have many more drugs to choose From. Tiped sad Send form miiPhone ;-)May your pressure be low!CE Grim MDSpecializing in DifficultHypertension There are many thyroid medications from which to choose. Val From: hyperaldosteronism [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Clarence Grim So if you have a pork allergey what do you do? But prob not likely. CE Grim MD On Feb 26, 2011, at 10:57 AM, Valarie wrote: So, which is the "real stuff"? (See below) Prescription desiccated thyroid is never made from cows. From: hyperaldosteronism [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Clarence Grim All Thyroid is Chemical just depends on who makes it. The chemist or the cow/pig. By "real stuff" I assume you mean the synthetic chemicals? From: hyperaldosteronism [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Clarence Grim Recommend you use the real stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2011 Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 And a body that is going to accept the changes you are doing to it medically Sounds like high blood pressure or all of medicine. Everyone is an experiment. What you want is an experienced experimenter. Tiped sad Send form mi iPhone ;-) May your pressure be low! CE Grim MD Specializing in Difficult Hypertension TRUE, but everyone can't use all of the.. takes a lot of experimentation Pam There are many thyroid medications from which to choose. Val From: hyperaldosteronism [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Clarence Grim So if you have a pork allergey what do you do? But prob not likely. CE Grim MD So, which is the " real stuff " ? (See below) Prescription desiccated thyroid is never made from cows. From: hyperaldosteronism [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Clarence Grim All Thyroid is Chemical just depends on who makes it. The chemist or the cow/pig. By " real stuff " I assume you mean the synthetic chemicals? From: hyperaldosteronism [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Clarence Grim Recommend you use the real stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2011 Report Share Posted February 27, 2011 I have not seem large long trials comparing the risks and benefits of one vs the other.Should be easy to do.CE Grim MDArsenic and cocaine were also used 100 years ago. . . doesnt make them good now. it is just harder to regulate. people will get hyper on it but refuse to stop it even when all tests (yes i know what t3 is BTW) show hyper. they like the energy. but hyper is inherently dangerous. i am not arguing with you over whether they refuse to stop it as i am the one who deals with those patients>, can you give me some research that says "Armour thyroid is one of the>biggest danger"? What is the danger? It has been successfully used for>over 100 years. Many people do not convert T4 to T3 well and need some T3.>Your standard tests don't even consider that lack of conversion.> >Val> >From: hyperaldosteronism >[mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Bingham>Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2011 9:20 AM>To: hyperaldosteronism >Subject: RE: Re: aldosterone 37> > >Armour thyroid is one of the biggest dangers. people think if it is>"natural" it is better as if they "one-upped" big pharmacy and the medical>establishment. Belladonna, arsenic, mercury are natural but incredibly>harmful, natural or not.>>>>>Armour can be ordered by any pharmacy in 1/4 grain (15 mg) sizes. I should>>have said that compounded meds can vary. I think there have been studies on>>that issue. I took 1/4 grain + T4 for a long time but finally went off the>>Armour. Invariably, it sent me into episodes of high BP, etc. I now take>>Cytomel + T4 and am doing much better with it.>>>>>>Val>> >>From: hyperaldosteronism ><mailto:hyperaldosteronism%40yahoogroups.com> >>[mailto:hyperaldosteronism ><mailto:hyperaldosteronism%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Pam Scriber>>>>>> >>my regular pharmacy does not do it in between dosages of 100 and 125... I>>have been on 110, then 120, then 115 and we are not sure where we are going>>now.>>I always use the same compounding pharmacy.>>On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 12:24 PM, Valarie <mailto:val%40wyosip.com> > wrote:>> >>Compounding pharmacies can vary. Why not, if you want to use Armour, just>>buy it through as regular prescription?>> Val>>From: hyperaldosteronism ><mailto:hyperaldosteronism%40yahoogroups.com> >>[mailto:hyperaldosteronism ><mailto:hyperaldosteronism%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Pam Scriber>>they did one in the doctors office lab and then backed it up by sending it>>to Labcorp for a second opinion.>>I am on 115 mg done through a compouding pharmacy. >>Pam>>On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 12:08 PM, Clarence Grim <mailto:lowerbp2%40mac.com> > wrote:>>Lab reliable? Maybe one reason is the variability or Armour meds >> >> >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2011 Report Share Posted March 4, 2011 I don't know beans about thyroid, but I have taken arsenic and belladona in homeopathic preparations with great results! Homeopathy is an older form of medicine and when first introduced I thought it was new age. My grandfather was into that kind of stuff, but over the years and a visit to Gettysburg battlefield I have studied and found out it has some validity. Just because it is old does not make it good or bad. WF, 5 kids, L adenoma or nodule depending on DR. AVS unable to ascertain R side Armour thyroid is one of the biggest dangers. people think if it is "natural" it is better as if they "one-upped" big pharmacy and the medical establishment. Belladonna, arsenic, mercury are natural but incredibly harmful, natural or not. >Armour can be ordered by any pharmacy in 1/4 grain (15 mg) sizes. I should >have said that compounded meds can vary. I think there have been studies on >that issue. I took 1/4 grain + T4 for a long time but finally went off the >Armour. Invariably, it sent me into episodes of high BP, etc. I now take >Cytomel + T4 and am doing much better with it. > > >Val > >From: hyperaldosteronism >[mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Pam Scriber > > > >my regular pharmacy does not do it in between dosages of 100 and 125... I >have been on 110, then 120, then 115 and we are not sure where we are going >now. >I always use the same compounding pharmacy. > > >Compounding pharmacies can vary. Why not, if you want to use Armour, just >buy it through as regular prescription? > Val >From: hyperaldosteronism >[mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Pam Scriber >they did one in the doctors office lab and then backed it up by sending it >to Labcorp for a second opinion. >I am on 115 mg done through a compouding pharmacy. >Pam > >Lab reliable? Maybe one reason is the variability or Armour meds > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2011 Report Share Posted March 4, 2011 One is their basic tenets was that if you dilute your medicines in enough water or alcohol that they cannot be detected by any known means then they are the most effective. Good way to may meds go a long way.Talk about feeding the masses with a few fish!Beware of the Homeopaths. Search Pubmed for rsearch on their treatments.I don't know beans about thyroid, but I have taken arsenic and belladona in homeopathic preparations with great results! Homeopathy is an older form of medicine and when first introduced I thought it was new age. My grandfather was into that kind of stuff, but over the years and a visit to Gettysburg battlefield I have studied and found out it has some validity. Just because it is old does not make it good or bad. WF, 5 kids, L adenoma or nodule depending on DR. AVS unable to ascertain R side Armour thyroid is one of the biggest dangers. people think if it is "natural" it is better as if they "one-upped" big pharmacy and the medical establishment. Belladonna, arsenic, mercury are natural but incredibly harmful, natural or not.>Armour can be ordered by any pharmacy in 1/4 grain (15 mg) sizes. I should>have said that compounded meds can vary. I think there have been studies on>that issue. I took 1/4 grain + T4 for a long time but finally went off the>Armour. Invariably, it sent me into episodes of high BP, etc. I now take>Cytomel + T4 and am doing much better with it.>>>Val> >From: hyperaldosteronism >[mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Pam Scriber>>> >my regular pharmacy does not do it in between dosages of 100 and 125... I>have been on 110, then 120, then 115 and we are not sure where we are going>now.>I always use the same compounding pharmacy.>> >Compounding pharmacies can vary. Why not, if you want to use Armour, just>buy it through as regular prescription?> Val>From: hyperaldosteronism >[mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Pam Scriber>they did one in the doctors office lab and then backed it up by sending it>to Labcorp for a second opinion.>I am on 115 mg done through a compouding pharmacy. >Pam>>Lab reliable? Maybe one reason is the variability or Armour meds > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2011 Report Share Posted March 5, 2011 Very true! Homeopathy does rely on very minute amounts of :medicine" I have used the homeopathic remedy called Apis for bee stings and it totally eradicates pain in five minutes. Also used chamomila for teething infants and it has helped - one of my kids totally changed her personality from screaming teether to sweet baby. So much of it nowadays can be bought over the counter at Walmart. I am sure homeopathy is not the answer to every medical problem, but it is an alternative. VolmerWF, 40, 5 kids, L adenoma or nodule depending on dr, unable to AVS R side, diagnosed PA June 2007, eradicating as much salt as I can, BP 117/80 with no meds>Lab reliable? Maybe one reason is the variability or Armour meds > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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