Re: To Tincture Orris Root

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Sent: Mon, November 8, 2010 9:38:16 AM

Subject: To Tincture Orris Root

 

Recently, several members expressed an interest on how to tincture Orris root. A

high-qualilty Orris tincture can be successfully substituted for Orris butter

(oil), one of the most expensive natural perfumery materials. I made two

different tinctures of Orris root a couple years ago with excellent results and

would like to share my experiences with you so that you can make them, too.

Mark

Renaissance Aromas

 

Thank you for taking the time to completely explain the process.  This

will be very helpful as my orris root is in route :-)

Thank you again,

Jane

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Sent: Mon, November 8, 2010 9:38:16 AM

Subject: To Tincture Orris Root

 

Recently, several members expressed an interest on how to tincture Orris root. A

high-qualilty Orris tincture can be successfully substituted for Orris butter

(oil), one of the most expensive natural perfumery materials. I made two

different tinctures of Orris root a couple years ago with excellent results and

would like to share my experiences with you so that you can make them, too.

Mark

Renaissance Aromas

 

Thank you for taking the time to completely explain the process.  This

will be very helpful as my orris root is in route :-)

Thank you again,

Jane

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WOW ! This is awesome! Thank you very much for posting your detailed

experiments with tincturing orris. I really appreciate your attention to

detail, it makes it so much more helpful to follow.

Do you have any advice for good suppliers to obtain the peeled orris powder or

pieces?

Thank you for sharing your orris tincture methods and results!

Charna Ethier

Providence Perfume Co.

http://www.providenceperfume.com

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WOW ! This is awesome! Thank you very much for posting your detailed

experiments with tincturing orris. I really appreciate your attention to

detail, it makes it so much more helpful to follow.

Do you have any advice for good suppliers to obtain the peeled orris powder or

pieces?

Thank you for sharing your orris tincture methods and results!

Charna Ethier

Providence Perfume Co.

http://www.providenceperfume.com

info@...

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Subject: To Tincture Orris Root

To: NaturalPerfumery

Date: Monday, November 8, 2010, 12:38 PM

Recently, several members expressed an interest on how to tincture Orris root. A

high-qualilty Orris tincture can be successfully substituted for Orris butter

(oil), one of the most expensive natural perfumery materials. I made two

different tinctures of Orris root a couple years ago with excellent results and

would like to share my experiences with you so that you can make them, too.

Mark

Renaissance Aromas

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-thank you SO MUCH for posting your detailed observations on this process.

They're extremely helpful. Simone

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Subject: To Tincture Orris Root

To: NaturalPerfumery

Date: Monday, November 8, 2010, 12:38 PM

Recently, several members expressed an interest on how to tincture Orris root. A

high-qualilty Orris tincture can be successfully substituted for Orris butter

(oil), one of the most expensive natural perfumery materials. I made two

different tinctures of Orris root a couple years ago with excellent results and

would like to share my experiences with you so that you can make them, too.

Mark

Renaissance Aromas

********************

-thank you SO MUCH for posting your detailed observations on this process.

They're extremely helpful. Simone

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> Recently, several members expressed an interest on how to tincture Orris root.

A high-qualilty Orris tincture can be successfully substituted for Orris butter

(oil), one of the most expensive natural perfumery materials. I made two

different tinctures of Orris root a couple years ago with excellent results and

would like to share my experiences with you so that you can make them, too.

>

Hi , Folks...

Into my archives with this one....<G>...

, do you have any left of the tinctures, and if so, after a couple

of years did the quality of the fragrance improve, or the intensity, or

both....?

Just curious if longer term aging helps...Or if there's a point where it

hurts....?

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W. Bourbonais

L'Hermite Aromatique

A.J.P. (GIA)

http://www.facebook.com/Le.Hermite

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> Recently, several members expressed an interest on how to tincture Orris root.

A high-qualilty Orris tincture can be successfully substituted for Orris butter

(oil), one of the most expensive natural perfumery materials. I made two

different tinctures of Orris root a couple years ago with excellent results and

would like to share my experiences with you so that you can make them, too.

>

Hi , Folks...

Into my archives with this one....<G>...

, do you have any left of the tinctures, and if so, after a couple

of years did the quality of the fragrance improve, or the intensity, or

both....?

Just curious if longer term aging helps...Or if there's a point where it

hurts....?

--

W. Bourbonais

L'Hermite Aromatique

A.J.P. (GIA)

http://www.facebook.com/Le.Hermite

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> Jane wrote:

>Thank you for taking the time to completely explain the process. 

You are welcome, Jane.

>This will be very helpful as my orris root is in route

Did you order both forms of Orris, the cut-and-sifted and the powder? If

you did, why not try the experiment I talked about in my post of making

tinctures out of both forms and comparing the results.

Mark

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>Simone wrote:

>-thank you SO MUCH for posting your detailed observations on this

process. They're extremely helpful.

You are very welcome, Simone, and good luck on tincturing orris.

Mark

[Guest guest]

>Simone wrote:

>-thank you SO MUCH for posting your detailed observations on this

process. They're extremely helpful.

You are very welcome, Simone, and good luck on tincturing orris.

Mark

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OK, I'm trying this at the 50%, wish me luck!

-M

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OK, I'm trying this at the 50%, wish me luck!

-M

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>Charna wrote:

>I really appreciate your attention to detail, it makes it so much more

helpful to follow.

You are very welcome, Charna. I must say it took a long time to write the

post, but to be really useful, it had to be detailed. I, myself, love to

get instructions in detail since there is less room for mistakes, especially

when dealing with things I have little or no experience.

By the way, I want to say how good it feels to be active on the group again

after a multi-year hiatus into lurkdom due to some really nasty family and

personal health issues. I missed the interaction with you!

>Do you have any advice for good suppliers to obtain the peeled orris powder

or pieces?

It has been some time since I ordered any Orris and therefore am out of

touch with the current supply situation. However, a quick scan of

suppliers' websites turned up a few sources. If the supplier's description

doesn't explicitly state " peeled " , I recommend contacting them to pose this

question. Also, make sure to get samples to evaluate the fragrance of the

orris before making a purchase. It should be peeled and have a strong

fragrance of violets.

Here are the websites of some suppliers:

www.starwest-botanicals.com

www.herbspicetea.com

www.frontiercoop.com

www.scents-of-earth.com

Mark

Renaissance Aromas

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>Charna wrote:

>I really appreciate your attention to detail, it makes it so much more

helpful to follow.

You are very welcome, Charna. I must say it took a long time to write the

post, but to be really useful, it had to be detailed. I, myself, love to

get instructions in detail since there is less room for mistakes, especially

when dealing with things I have little or no experience.

By the way, I want to say how good it feels to be active on the group again

after a multi-year hiatus into lurkdom due to some really nasty family and

personal health issues. I missed the interaction with you!

>Do you have any advice for good suppliers to obtain the peeled orris powder

or pieces?

It has been some time since I ordered any Orris and therefore am out of

touch with the current supply situation. However, a quick scan of

suppliers' websites turned up a few sources. If the supplier's description

doesn't explicitly state " peeled " , I recommend contacting them to pose this

question. Also, make sure to get samples to evaluate the fragrance of the

orris before making a purchase. It should be peeled and have a strong

fragrance of violets.

Here are the websites of some suppliers:

www.starwest-botanicals.com

www.herbspicetea.com

www.frontiercoop.com

www.scents-of-earth.com

Mark

Renaissance Aromas

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> wrote:

>, do you have any left of the tinctures, and if so, after a couple

>of years did the quality of the fragrance improve, or the intensity, or

>both....?

Hello ,

Yes. I still have the Orris tincts. 25% and 50%. I made the 25% tinct. in

1/07 and the 50% tinct. in 3/08. Unfortunately, I have not kept formal

records on the evolution of the tinctures up to the present and will have to

go by memory of occasionally smelling them over the years. I believe the

tinctures improved after about 1 year; improved meaning that they mellowed

out with less " rawness " such as most natural materials do after marrying and

aging with the alcohol for a while. After one year, I don't believe the

their quality or intensity have changed.

>Just curious if longer term aging helps...Or if there's a point where it

>hurts....?

So far, after almost 4 years on the tinct. 25% and 2 1/2 years on the 50%, I

have noticed no change for better or worse. I would say that aging the

tincture a minimum of 6 months to perhaps 1 year is helpful in improving its

fragrance, but aging longer than one year really does nothing more to

improve it.

Mark

Renaissance Aromas

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> wrote:

>, do you have any left of the tinctures, and if so, after a couple

>of years did the quality of the fragrance improve, or the intensity, or

>both....?

Hello ,

Yes. I still have the Orris tincts. 25% and 50%. I made the 25% tinct. in

1/07 and the 50% tinct. in 3/08. Unfortunately, I have not kept formal

records on the evolution of the tinctures up to the present and will have to

go by memory of occasionally smelling them over the years. I believe the

tinctures improved after about 1 year; improved meaning that they mellowed

out with less " rawness " such as most natural materials do after marrying and

aging with the alcohol for a while. After one year, I don't believe the

their quality or intensity have changed.

>Just curious if longer term aging helps...Or if there's a point where it

>hurts....?

So far, after almost 4 years on the tinct. 25% and 2 1/2 years on the 50%, I

have noticed no change for better or worse. I would say that aging the

tincture a minimum of 6 months to perhaps 1 year is helpful in improving its

fragrance, but aging longer than one year really does nothing more to

improve it.

Mark

Renaissance Aromas

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Good Luck!!

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Good Luck!!

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To: NaturalPerfumery

Sent: Tue, November 9, 2010 6:08:42 AM

Subject: RE: To Tincture Orris Root

 

Did you order both forms of Orris, the cut-and-sifted and the powder? If

you did, why not try the experiment I talked about in my post of making

tinctures out of both forms and comparing the results.

Mark

 

Hi ,

I did order both.  My fingers are crossed that they are good quality. :-)

I should have them by Thursday or Friday, I will post about where I purchased &

initial impressions on quailty.  I have a small sample of the orris butter from

Eden (which I LOVE).  So I will have something to compare.

Jane

 

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My fingers are crossed that they are good quality. :-)

> I should have them by Thursday or Friday, I will post about where I purchased

&

> initial impressions on quailty.  I have a small sample of the orris butter

from

> Eden (which I LOVE).  So I will have something to compare.

This is all very good information. Thank you all for sharing. In a few weeks

(hopefully) I am planning on slowly working on several tinctures. I'll try to

post results as I produce them.

So far I plan on tincturing the following:

Orris Root (probably both powder and chunks)

Benzoin (and other resins though I haven't decided which ones)

Ambrette Seed

Vanilla Bean

Ambergris

Civet

Heck, I should just start a blog on the subject.

BTW Jane, I've also sampled Eden's Orris Butter and it is amazing.

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Regarding the ambrette, I also ordered some seeds from another place.  The old

perfume books I have say to bruise the seeds but I've read that makes it have

the fatty aroma.  So I thought I would try them whole and see what happens. 

What do you plan to do?  If I have success with the orris and ambrette, then

vanilla.

 

Thanks,

Jane

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Wow, thanks for the informative post!

I am looking forward to working with this fine ingredient

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My orris arrived from Texas Natural Supply. I ordered both the powder and the

cut & sifted.  The aroma is very faint and reminds me of nutmeg.  The color of

the powder is a dark beige.  

 

I also ordered orris powder and ambrette seeds from Scents of Earth.  The orris

powder is a light beige and has a very faint aroma that reminds me of the orris

butter from Eden. 

I would say based on my very limited experience that the orris from Scents of

Earth is a better quality.

 

The ambrette seeds have a moderate ambrette odor.  Don't laugh but I bit into

one of the seeds and it tastes like ambrette smells :-).

 

I feel fairly confident that I may get something worthwhile from the ambrette

seeds.  I am doubtful at this point of obtaining a good tincture from the

orris.  I hope I am wrong.  This is a hobby for me and I am thinking that for

the price of ordering the samples, shipping, and so forth that I might just be

better off ordering the orris butter from Eden.     

 

Jane

 

First of all I should probably say that I am a newbie and really don't know what

I'm doing yet.  Those of you with more experience please feel free to correct

me. :-D

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Hi All,

A couple of months ago we were discussing orris root tincture. I ordered orris

root from a couple of different places and started tincturing. The results thus

far have not been satisfactory the orris was most likely not high enough quality

and I jumped into this with out thorough research. Now I have done a little

research and here is what I have found.

There seems to be two or three types (depending where you get your info) of Iris

from which orris can be tinctured; Iris germanica, Iris florentina, and Iris

pallida. The orris butter from Eden Botanicals is the pallida variety. The

following webstores sell orris:

The Spice House

Mountain Rose Herbs

Natural Arts Botanicals

A World of Plenty

Texas Natural Supply

SaffireBlue

Herb Supplies

Scents of Earth

All of the above offer only the germanica or florentina variety of Iris. Does

anyone know of where to acquire good quality Iris pallida? I feel like I have

hit a brick wall....can anyone point me in the right direction?

Thank you,

Jane