RE: Jumping from 1 challenge to the next with no Rest Re-feed

[Guest guest]

I'm looking forward to seeing your results, i've been interested in this

since you first talked about it. Right now my main goal is to finish a half

marathon. If I gain weight, I gain weight. (I'm still eating bfl and

focusing on nutrition, but if I need to increase carbs to run, I will)

If I was 100% strict and never took a free day, taking a week off would

probably make a difference. But I do take my freeday, I revel and indulge in

it. And sometimes its a free weekend which I imagine will be the case in the

last challenge of the year, it being holiday season and all. So if you take

your freeday, you are " refeeding " every week.

My problem is my " free week " turns into free months, free years, etc. I've

done BFL off and on since 1999 and I vowed this time I would stay vigilant.

When and if I get to the point I know i've been 110 percent for six months

at least and no change then I'll start looking for a reason. Right now I

figure the reason is because I'm not 110 percent.

First challenge was easier because I monitored my mouth more closely, I had

a cruise coming up and knew I'd be in a bathing suit and low cut dresses in

front of friends. This time, its I want a certain size jeans, but I think I

look ok, so its harder.

Also, I didn't take bathing suit pictures and I think that has made a

difference. Next challenge I'm taking the suit pictures as bad as I hate

them.

I can't wait to see your results doing it her way, I'm considering it for

next year. (I had some friends who did power 90x and I waited to see how

that went for them, they said too much exercise and the food was confusing

and are doing something else now)

On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 7:38 AM, Etana.Finkler

wrote:

> Sheila wrote

>

> > I have four weeks left of challenge two and then I'm jumping right

> in to

> >challenge three so I can finish three challenges this calendar year.

>

> I am done with Fat Lost TroubleShoot Leigh Peele's REPAIR Stage 1 (of

> 8 stages). After the 2 weeks I have lost 4 pounds but my lowest was

> -6.5 during this period. Some of you might remember me as a non-loser.

>

> One of the things she HIGHLY recommends is the cycle of deficit down,

> then refeed after 12 weeks. Her refeed is a week of your maintenance

> +, for me it would be 2000-2600 calories (but not an all out binge of

> 3000-4000 cal). It can include foods you haven't been eating,

> restaurants etc. You may gain 2-3 pounds in this week.

>

> Then you cut again for 12 weeks. That first week or 2 you should

> lose the 2-3 and have a nice drop too!

>

> Why not at least refeed 5 days, if not 7. The total results might be

> worth it, instead of going straight into another challenge and

> shutting down your metabolism

>

> Etana

>

>

[Guest guest]

Sounds to me like you have conflicting goals. You're doing a BFL

challenge, but here you say that your main goal is to finish a

half-marathon, which will NOT help you with the BFL Challenge.

Read this excellent article by Cosgrove; she'll explain it much

better than I:

http://www.figureathlete.com/free_online_article/training/the_final_nail_in_the_\

cardio_coffin & cr=

Sheila wrote:

>

> I'm looking forward to seeing your results, i've been interested in this

> since you first talked about it. Right now my main goal is to finish a

> half

> marathon. If I gain weight, I gain weight. (I'm still eating bfl and

> focusing on nutrition, but if I need to increase carbs to run, I will)

>

> If I was 100% strict and never took a free day, taking a week off would

> probably make a difference. But I do take my freeday, I revel and

> indulge in

> it. And sometimes its a free weekend which I imagine will be the case

> in the

> last challenge of the year, it being holiday season and all. So if you

> take

> your freeday, you are " refeeding " every week.

>

> My problem is my " free week " turns into free months, free years, etc. I've

> done BFL off and on since 1999 and I vowed this time I would stay

> vigilant.

> When and if I get to the point I know i've been 110 percent for six months

> at least and no change then I'll start looking for a reason. Right now I

> figure the reason is because I'm not 110 percent.

>

> First challenge was easier because I monitored my mouth more closely,

> I had

> a cruise coming up and knew I'd be in a bathing suit and low cut

> dresses in

> front of friends. This time, its I want a certain size jeans, but I

> think I

> look ok, so its harder.

>

> Also, I didn't take bathing suit pictures and I think that has made a

> difference. Next challenge I'm taking the suit pictures as bad as I hate

> them.

>

> I can't wait to see your results doing it her way, I'm considering it for

> next year. (I had some friends who did power 90x and I waited to see how

> that went for them, they said too much exercise and the food was confusing

> and are doing something else now)

>

> On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 7:38 AM, Etana.Finkler

> <etana.finkler01@... <mailto:etana.finkler01%40comcast.net>>wrote:

>

> > Sheila wrote

> >

> > > I have four weeks left of challenge two and then I'm jumping right

> > in to

> > >challenge three so I can finish three challenges this calendar year.

> >

> > I am done with Fat Lost TroubleShoot Leigh Peele's REPAIR Stage 1 (of

> > 8 stages). After the 2 weeks I have lost 4 pounds but my lowest was

> > -6.5 during this period. Some of you might remember me as a non-loser.

> >

> > One of the things she HIGHLY recommends is the cycle of deficit down,

> > then refeed after 12 weeks. Her refeed is a week of your maintenance

> > +, for me it would be 2000-2600 calories (but not an all out binge of

> > 3000-4000 cal). It can include foods you haven't been eating,

> > restaurants etc. You may gain 2-3 pounds in this week.

> >

> > Then you cut again for 12 weeks. That first week or 2 you should

> > lose the 2-3 and have a nice drop too!

> >

> > Why not at least refeed 5 days, if not 7. The total results might be

> > worth it, instead of going straight into another challenge and

> > shutting down your metabolism

> >

> > Etana

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

The fat loss trouble shoot wasn't me, thats Etana. And you are probably

right about the conflicting goals. What I meant was goal is not WEIGHT LOSS,

but but to eat in a way that allows me to remain healthy while training for

a half marathon. This in no way conflicts with BFL.

Bottom line is. I'm doing my second challenge this year. I'm eight weeks in.

and I will do a third challenge. Same eating, same weight lifting, same

water. The main difference? more cardio that BFL calls for and not beating

myself up if I don't lose scale weight. I'm working on celebrating the

positive.

> Sounds to me like you have conflicting goals. You're doing a BFL

> challenge, but here you say that your main goal is to finish a

> half-marathon, which will NOT help you with the BFL Challenge.

>

> Read this excellent article by Cosgrove; she'll explain it much

> better than I:

>

>

>

http://www.figureathlete.com/free_online_article/training/the_final_nail_in_the_\

cardio_coffin & cr=

>

>

> Sheila wrote:

> >

> > I'm looking forward to seeing your results, i've been interested in this

> > since you first talked about it. Right now my main goal is to finish a

> > half

> > marathon. If I gain weight, I gain weight. (I'm still eating bfl and

> > focusing on nutrition, but if I need to increase carbs to run, I will)

> >

> > If I was 100% strict and never took a free day, taking a week off would

> > probably make a difference. But I do take my freeday, I revel and

> > indulge in

> > it. And sometimes its a free weekend which I imagine will be the case

> > in the

> > last challenge of the year, it being holiday season and all. So if you

> > take

> > your freeday, you are " refeeding " every week.

> >

> > My problem is my " free week " turns into free months, free years, etc.

> I've

> > done BFL off and on since 1999 and I vowed this time I would stay

> > vigilant.

> > When and if I get to the point I know i've been 110 percent for six

> months

> > at least and no change then I'll start looking for a reason. Right now I

> > figure the reason is because I'm not 110 percent.

> >

> > First challenge was easier because I monitored my mouth more closely,

> > I had

> > a cruise coming up and knew I'd be in a bathing suit and low cut

> > dresses in

> > front of friends. This time, its I want a certain size jeans, but I

> > think I

> > look ok, so its harder.

> >

> > Also, I didn't take bathing suit pictures and I think that has made a

> > difference. Next challenge I'm taking the suit pictures as bad as I hate

> > them.

> >

> > I can't wait to see your results doing it her way, I'm considering it for

> > next year. (I had some friends who did power 90x and I waited to see how

> > that went for them, they said too much exercise and the food was

> confusing

> > and are doing something else now)

> >

> > On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 7:38 AM, Etana.Finkler

> > <etana.finkler01@... <etana.finkler01%40comcast.net> <mailto:

> etana.finkler01%40comcast.net <etana.finkler01%2540comcast.net>>>wrote:

> >

> > > Sheila wrote

> > >

> > > > I have four weeks left of challenge two and then I'm jumping right

> > > in to

> > > >challenge three so I can finish three challenges this calendar year.

> > >

> > > I am done with Fat Lost TroubleShoot Leigh Peele's REPAIR Stage 1 (of

> > > 8 stages). After the 2 weeks I have lost 4 pounds but my lowest was

> > > -6.5 during this period. Some of you might remember me as a non-loser.

> > >

> > > One of the things she HIGHLY recommends is the cycle of deficit down,

> > > then refeed after 12 weeks. Her refeed is a week of your maintenance

> > > +, for me it would be 2000-2600 calories (but not an all out binge of

> > > 3000-4000 cal). It can include foods you haven't been eating,

> > > restaurants etc. You may gain 2-3 pounds in this week.

> > >

> > > Then you cut again for 12 weeks. That first week or 2 you should

> > > lose the 2-3 and have a nice drop too!

> > >

> > > Why not at least refeed 5 days, if not 7. The total results might be

> > > worth it, instead of going straight into another challenge and

> > > shutting down your metabolism

> > >

> > > Etana

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Thanks Diane. Do you know how easy it would be to say F)(* it and just walk

away? Seriously, no one I know gives a rip one way or the other what I eat,

what I weigh or if I work out.

sheila

> Not beating yourself up over what the scale says is AWESOME, Sheila!

>

> Dragon, thanks for the link to that article. I found it very interesting!

>

>

[Guest guest]

I get so lost on who-says-what in these conversations!

I still recommend the article; it will let you know what results to

expect from long hours of endurance training.

Naomi

*****

Sheila wrote:

>

> The fat loss trouble shoot wasn't me, thats Etana. And you are probably

> right about the conflicting goals. What I meant was goal is not WEIGHT

> LOSS,

> but but to eat in a way that allows me to remain healthy while

> training for

> a half marathon. This in no way conflicts with BFL.

>

> >

> >

> >

>

http://www.figureathlete.com/free_online_article/training/the_final_nail_in_the_\

cardio_coffin & cr=

>

<http://www.figureathlete.com/free_online_article/training/the_final_nail_in_the\

_cardio_coffin & cr=>

>

[Guest guest]

I will read the article.

OMG Diane! That looks like a lot more than 20 lbs, your pants are swimming

on you! You are cute at both sizes, but it looks like you are thinner and

firmer.

Thats what I did this challenge, wear pants and a t-shirt. I like the

dividing things into three months, it seems easier to focus on that than the

rest of your life. And it does help to go back to where you were to realize

that you have actually made progress. I do hate the scale. It makes you

forget the lovely bones you develop and the curves.

Way off subject, how do you like being a brunette vs a blond? I've gone

brown/dark brown (normal color/ all shades of red and am thinking of a

burgandy this fall)

S

> I get so lost on who-says-what in these conversations!

>

> I still recommend the article; it will let you know what results to

> expect from long hours of endurance training.

>

> Naomi

> *****

>

>

> Sheila wrote:

> >

> > The fat loss trouble shoot wasn't me, thats Etana. And you are probably

> > right about the conflicting goals. What I meant was goal is not WEIGHT

> > LOSS,

> > but but to eat in a way that allows me to remain healthy while

> > training for

> > a half marathon. This in no way conflicts with BFL.

> >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

http://www.figureathlete.com/free_online_article/training/the_final_nail_in_the_\

cardio_coffin & cr=

> > <

>

http://www.figureathlete.com/free_online_article/training/the_final_nail_in_the_\

cardio_coffin & cr=

> >

> >

>

>

--

Sheila

There are only two options regarding commitment. You're either in or out.

There's no such thing as a life in-between.

[Guest guest]

After I finish my challenge, I am going to focus on a month at a time! I

like the way things switch up with P90X every four weeks (three weeks of

intensity, fourth week less intense, then start again with three weeks of

intensity using different workouts, etc.). Just when you get comfortable,

things change!

I was wearing those jeans last weekend and I knew there were a lot of

pictures of me wearing them when they were tight, so I looked for one to

compare with. And lo and behold I still had the shirt too!

I love having darker hair!!! I wish I'd done this years ago!

> I will read the article.

>

> OMG Diane! That looks like a lot more than 20 lbs, your pants are swimming

> on you! You are cute at both sizes, but it looks like you are thinner and

> firmer.

>

> Thats what I did this challenge, wear pants and a t-shirt. I like the

> dividing things into three months, it seems easier to focus on that than

> the

> rest of your life. And it does help to go back to where you were to realize

> that you have actually made progress. I do hate the scale. It makes you

> forget the lovely bones you develop and the curves.

>

> Way off subject, how do you like being a brunette vs a blond? I've gone

> brown/dark brown (normal color/ all shades of red and am thinking of a

> burgandy this fall)

>

> S

>

> On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 12:37 PM, DRAGONMAMMA

<dragonmamma@...<dragonmamma%40sonic.net>>

> wrote:

>

> > I get so lost on who-says-what in these conversations!

> >

> > I still recommend the article; it will let you know what results to

> > expect from long hours of endurance training.

> >

> > Naomi

> > *****

> >

> >

> > Sheila wrote:

> > >

> > > The fat loss trouble shoot wasn't me, thats Etana. And you are probably

> > > right about the conflicting goals. What I meant was goal is not WEIGHT

> > > LOSS,

> > > but but to eat in a way that allows me to remain healthy while

> > > training for

> > > a half marathon. This in no way conflicts with BFL.

> > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

http://www.figureathlete.com/free_online_article/training/the_final_nail_in_the_\

cardio_coffin & cr=

> > > <

> >

>

http://www.figureathlete.com/free_online_article/training/the_final_nail_in_the_\

cardio_coffin & cr=

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

>

> --

> Sheila

>

> There are only two options regarding commitment. You're either in or out.

> There's no such thing as a life in-between.

>

>

[Guest guest]

This is a really good article and a great site! It explains why BFL works.

Not to worry, I have Spinning twice a week and believe me we have

intervals! Also, the running isn't at at steady pace, that varies a little,

and I weigh more than her and am not eating as many calories.

Also, leg muscle definition counts for something and I'm certainly getting

some of that.

I'm going to check out some articles on the site, the women look amazing!

> Sounds to me like you have conflicting goals. You're doing a BFL

> challenge, but here you say that your main goal is to finish a

> half-marathon, which will NOT help you with the BFL Challenge.

>

> Read this excellent article by Cosgrove; she'll explain it much

> better than I:

>

>

>

http://www.figureathlete.com/free_online_article/training/the_final_nail_in_the_\

cardio_coffin & cr=

>

>

> Sheila wrote:

> >

> > I'm looking forward to seeing your results, i've been interested in this

> > since you first talked about it. Right now my main goal is to finish a

> > half

> > marathon. If I gain weight, I gain weight. (I'm still eating bfl and

> > focusing on nutrition, but if I need to increase carbs to run, I will)

> >

> > If I was 100% strict and never took a free day, taking a week off would

> > probably make a difference. But I do take my freeday, I revel and

> > indulge in

> > it. And sometimes its a free weekend which I imagine will be the case

> > in the

> > last challenge of the year, it being holiday season and all. So if you

> > take

> > your freeday, you are " refeeding " every week.

> >

> > My problem is my " free week " turns into free months, free years, etc.

> I've

> > done BFL off and on since 1999 and I vowed this time I would stay

> > vigilant.

> > When and if I get to the point I know i've been 110 percent for six

> months

> > at least and no change then I'll start looking for a reason. Right now I

> > figure the reason is because I'm not 110 percent.

> >

> > First challenge was easier because I monitored my mouth more closely,

> > I had

> > a cruise coming up and knew I'd be in a bathing suit and low cut

> > dresses in

> > front of friends. This time, its I want a certain size jeans, but I

> > think I

> > look ok, so its harder.

> >

> > Also, I didn't take bathing suit pictures and I think that has made a

> > difference. Next challenge I'm taking the suit pictures as bad as I hate

> > them.

> >

> > I can't wait to see your results doing it her way, I'm considering it for

> > next year. (I had some friends who did power 90x and I waited to see how

> > that went for them, they said too much exercise and the food was

> confusing

> > and are doing something else now)

> >

> > On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 7:38 AM, Etana.Finkler

> > <etana.finkler01@... <etana.finkler01%40comcast.net> <mailto:

> etana.finkler01%40comcast.net <etana.finkler01%2540comcast.net>>>wrote:

> >

> > > Sheila wrote

> > >

> > > > I have four weeks left of challenge two and then I'm jumping right

> > > in to

> > > >challenge three so I can finish three challenges this calendar year.

> > >

> > > I am done with Fat Lost TroubleShoot Leigh Peele's REPAIR Stage 1 (of

> > > 8 stages). After the 2 weeks I have lost 4 pounds but my lowest was

> > > -6.5 during this period. Some of you might remember me as a non-loser.

> > >

> > > One of the things she HIGHLY recommends is the cycle of deficit down,

> > > then refeed after 12 weeks. Her refeed is a week of your maintenance

> > > +, for me it would be 2000-2600 calories (but not an all out binge of

> > > 3000-4000 cal). It can include foods you haven't been eating,

> > > restaurants etc. You may gain 2-3 pounds in this week.

> > >

> > > Then you cut again for 12 weeks. That first week or 2 you should

> > > lose the 2-3 and have a nice drop too!

> > >

> > > Why not at least refeed 5 days, if not 7. The total results might be

> > > worth it, instead of going straight into another challenge and

> > > shutting down your metabolism

> > >

> > > Etana

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Sheila wrote:

If I was 100% strict and never took a free day, taking a week off would

probably make a difference. But I do take my freeday, I revel and

indulge in

it. And sometimes its a free weekend which I imagine will be the case

in the

last challenge of the year, it being holiday season and all. So if

you take

your freeday, you are " refeeding " every week

The possible problem with refeeding every week, is that you are still

either living week after week after week in deficit with no lareg

refeed to kick back your metabolism. Or if the 1 day a week refeed

ruins your deficit for the week.

Leigh suggests that you might be killing your deficit

So you can't complain about not losing pounds/body fat unless you are

really clear that you are not eating your deficit

Splenda has calories. I was chewing 1.5 pack of Orbit some days.

Your free day may be too much

In fitday, now I am conscious of my cal but also the pro,carb, fat

macros every day

Also, I weigh my food instead of measuring with a cup/T

hmm there was one more thing I wanted to say...?

oh, photos. I'll make a new post

etana