Re: Adrenal Health

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Good on ya!You are wasting your energy being closed-minded! Elaine said it best when she said try removing your blinders.I have found perfect balance with my health and it doesn't include taking a pharmaceutical for the rest of my life. Proof doesn't get any better than that!Sent from my iPad Recommend you get textbook of Endocrinology and study a bit so you are not wasting your energy. With AF u must not have much. Give us your biochemical evidence of AF. THEN we cAn talk Tiped sad Send form miiPhone ;-)May your pressure be low!CE Grim MDSpecializing in DifficultHypertension Read this study on Aldo and depression. http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/QKxNTWKbDri2LTk9qGAS675b9PTthum8eZP6_Pa0CKsQHS--JT2cccwFZpZ6KVgQkb3F1hUqlzoJZdTSRpJ_N-9jR3g4IlX_gA/depression%20and%20PA/Study%20depression%20and%20PA.pdf--- In hyperaldosteronism , Suzanne Kann wrote:>> 's on one end of the spectrum and Cushings on the other leaves a lot of room in-between for adrenal problems!> > Where do you, or rather Dr. Nippoldt, think depression comes from? I suppose a deficiency in anti-depressants!> > And Fibromyalgia is a LAME diagnosis that Dr.'s give when they can't find the real problem! Do you know how many people with "fibromyalgia" would feel better once the doctors started looking for thyroid and adrenal issues?!?!?!?!? > > Sent from my iPad> > > > If there was adrenal fatigue I would think every drug co. would be trying to come up with a durg to cure it.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stress..........Lack of sleep.........Altered fatty acid metabolites (visceral fat) --- Metabolic Syndrome ---- Increased Insulin*> > > > > > > > Adrenals * ............Kidneys.remain insulin sensitive ...........Increased aldosterone......Sodium retention**> > > > > > > > > > > > * Paradoxical hyperaldosteronemia and sodium retention in the face of> > > > excess sodium intake Hypertension 2004;43:358-563.> > > > > > > > **Epoxy-keto derivative of linoleic acid stimulates aldosterone secretion. Goodfriend TL et al.> > > > Hypertension 2006;48:239-245. Plasma aldosterone is independently associated> > > > with the metabolic syndrome. Bochud M et al.> > > >> > >> >>Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post | Start a New TopicMessages in this topic (15)RECENT ACTIVITY:New Members 4New Links 1New Files 2Visit Your GroupMARKETPLACEGet great advice about dogs and cats. Visit the Dog & Cat Answers Center.Stay on top of your group activity without leaving the page you're on - Get the Yahoo! Toolbar now.

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I used to be a blind snowman. The children who made me had no coal. Then I got coal in my stocking and miracle of miracles I put them my face and could see.It is no wonder you get coal in your stocking. Ahem! Val From: hyperaldosteronism [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Clarence GrimSent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 5:06 PMTo: hyperaldosteronism Cc: Clarence GrimSubject: Re: Re: Adrenal Health Well I sort of believe in him. CE That's blasphemous! Santa Claus is alive and real. Val From: hyperaldosteronism [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Clarence Grim Never trust your instincts re health. Believing in something does not make it true. Just like SANTA CLAUS.

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I am not closed minded. Just like to see some data and at least 2 trial that show doing x is better than not doing x in more than one person.I deal with the big game called you bet your life and like to hedge my bets as do my patients.CE You are wasting your energy being closed-minded! Elaine said it best when she said try removing your blinders.I have found perfect balance with my health and it doesn't include taking a pharmaceutical for the rest of my life. Proof doesn't get any better than that!Sent from my iPad Recommend you get textbook of Endocrinology and study a bit so you are not wasting your energy. With AF u must not have much. Give us your biochemical evidence of AF. THEN we cAn talk Tiped sad Send form miiPhone ;-)May your pressure be low!CE Grim MDSpecializing in DifficultHypertension Read this study on Aldo and depression. http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/QKxNTWKbDri2LTk9qGAS675b9PTthum8eZP6_Pa0CKsQHS--JT2cccwFZpZ6KVgQkb3F1hUqlzoJZdTSRpJ_N-9jR3g4IlX_gA/depression%20and%20PA/Study%20depression%20and%20PA.pdf--- In hyperaldosteronism , Suzanne Kann wrote:>> 's on one end of the spectrum and Cushings on the other leaves a lot of room in-between for adrenal problems!> > Where do you, or rather Dr. Nippoldt, think depression comes from? I suppose a deficiency in anti-depressants!> > And Fibromyalgia is a LAME diagnosis that Dr.'s give when they can't find the real problem! Do you know how many people with "fibromyalgia" would feel better once the doctors started looking for thyroid and adrenal issues?!?!?!?!? > > Sent from my iPad> > > > If there was adrenal fatigue I would think every drug co. would be trying to come up with a durg to cure it.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stress..........Lack of sleep.........Altered fatty acid metabolites (visceral fat) --- Metabolic Syndrome ---- Increased Insulin*> > > > > > > > Adrenals * ............Kidneys.remain insulin sensitive ...........Increased aldosterone......Sodium retention**> > > > > > > > > > > > * Paradoxical hyperaldosteronemia and sodium retention in the face of> > > > excess sodium intake Hypertension 2004;43:358-563.> > > > > > > > **Epoxy-keto derivative of linoleic acid stimulates aldosterone secretion. Goodfriend TL et al.> > > > Hypertension 2006;48:239-245. Plasma aldosterone is independently associated> > > > with the metabolic syndrome. Bochud M et al.> > > >> > >> >>Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post | Start a New TopicMessages in this topic (15)RECENT ACTIVITY:New Members 4New Links 1New Files 2Visit Your GroupMARKETPLACEGet great advice about dogs and cats. Visit the Dog & Cat Answers Center.Stay on top of your group activity without leaving the page you're on - Get the Yahoo! Toolbar now.

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Or not. There is data to suggest that drinking lead containing moonshine might work. But no trials that I can find. Plus i makes you mad.CE Grim MDWhat are you taking to block your high Aldo? others on here may want to try it.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stress..........Lack of sleep.........Altered fatty acid metabolites (visceral fat) --- Metabolic Syndrome ---- Increased Insulin*> > > > > > > > > > Adrenals * ............Kidneys.remain insulin sensitive ...........Increased aldosterone......Sodium retention**> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * Paradoxical hyperaldosteronemia and sodium retention in the face of> > > > > excess sodium intake Hypertension 2004;43:358-563.> > > > > > > > > > **Epoxy-keto derivative of linoleic acid stimulates aldosterone secretion. Goodfriend TL et al.> > > > > Hypertension 2006;48:239-245. Plasma aldosterone is independently associated> > > > > with the metabolic syndrome. Bochud M et al.> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> > Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post | Start a New Topic> Messages in this topic (15)> RECENT ACTIVITY:> New Members 4> New Links 1> New Files 2> Visit Your Group> MARKETPLACE> Get great advice about dogs and cats. Visit the Dog & Cat Answers Center.> > Stay on top of your group activity without leaving the page you're on - Get the Yahoo! Toolbar now.>

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Thank you. Bravo, bravo, bravo!!!!!! Science is not able to answer all questions, but it doesn't mean that non science then can answer them. Is not adrenal fatigue the same vague term as just fatigue? It just means that something is bad :-) Natalia Kamneva 66 WF with adrenal adenoma, HTN and low renin and low aldesteron To: hyperaldosteronism Sent: Sat, February 5, 2011 5:13:20 PMSubject: Re: Adrenal Health

Here is something you need to look at. do your own research to see how true it is.

First this

Thyroid Health Site

Colleen Forgus

BellaOnline's Thyroid Health Editor

Note that The Foreward for the book was written by Dr. V. MD. I did a search for this Dr found something very intresing about him.

Review-Dr. 's "Adrenal Fatigue"

Guest Author - Jim Lowrance

I bought this wonderful book on the subject of adrenal fatigue entitled; "Adrenal Fatigue The 21st Century Stress Syndrome", about two years ago, at a Hastings book store. It was very interesting and hard to put down, so I finished it within a couple of days despite the fact it contains over 300 pages of reading. This book is authored by Dr. L. , who has a PhD in Human Nutrition, having also completed studies in immunology, microbiology, pharmacology and toxicology. He also has master's degrees in bio-nutrition and psychology and is a Doctor of Chiropractic and Naturopathic Medicine.

The Foreward for the book was written by Dr. V. MD, who cites the fact that there are other MDs who have dedicated time to medical research and helping to inform the medical community about this very real medical condition, including Tintera MD and Jeffries MD. These facts are contrasted by the mentions by Dr. , in which he points out the fact in this book, that many doctors still do not recognize adrenal fatigue and therefore will not test patients for it or recommend treatments. This is changing slowly however, with more doctors beginning to recognize this syndrome as a true illness that can seriously affect the quality-of-life of those who experience it. My own doctor for example, who is a Board Certified Family Practitioner, fully recognizes this stress syndrome and actually provides her patients who suffer adrenal fatigue, with sheets that outline some of the treatments recommended by Dr. in this book.

Information Dr. V. MD

From Quackwatch

AQA's president and cofounder was V. , M.D., a Harvard graduate who obtained his medical degree at the University of Michigan and began practicing "nutritional medicine" in 1973 at his Tahoma Clinic in Kent, Washington, a few miles southeast of Seattle. He and Alan Gaby, M.D., of Baltimore, give seminars for health professionals on "Nutrition as Therapy," which present their theories in detail. (AQA's first 16 members were recruited at the May 1985 seminar.) also operates the Meridian Valley Laboratory, a facility that does many nonstandard tests. From 1993 through 1998, helped lead the National Health Federation, a group whose primary goal is to abolish government regulation of health-care activities.

In the early 1990s, achieved considerable notoriety battling the FDA. The dispute surfaced in July 1991 when law enforcement officers seized 103 bottles of L-tryptophan from the For Your Health Pharmacy, adjacent to 's clinic. The FDA had banned the marketing of L-tryptophan after it was implicated in an outbreak of eosinophilia-myalgia syndrome, but continued to prescribe it. In August 1991, he filed suit, asserting that the outbreak was due to a contaminant and that his tryptophan was safe and therefore legal to dispense. The suit also asked the court to return the product and bar the FDA from "unreasonably interfering" with his ability to exercise clinical judgment in treating patients.

During the same month, according to an FDA affidavit, FDA investigators observed mold in some glass vials at the pharmacy and were informed that the products had been made at a laboratory adjacent to 's clinic. Further investigation indicated that and the pharmacist were co-owners of the laboratory and clinic and that a clandestine manufacturing facility was being constructed in a vacant business next to the pharmacy [4]. When the investigators went to the laboratory, would not permit them to conduct a full inspection. During the next few months, however, illegally marketed products were identified by inspecting trash from the clinic and pharmacy.

In December 1991, an FDA inspector posed as a patient and was diagnosed with an Interro device, a computerized galvanometer that measures changes in the skin's electrical resistance and depicts them on the screen of a monitor. (The reading on the screen is determined by how hard the probe is pressed against the patient's finger; the harder the pressure, the less skin resistance and the higher the reading. The FDA Center for Devices and Radiologic Health has said that such devices are "adulterated and misbranded" and can have no legal medical use [5].) The inspector reported that the woman who operated the device probed points on one of his fingers while selecting items on the screen that were said to represent substances to which he might be allergic. The woman explained that the height of a vertical bar that appeared when she probed his finger would indicate whether or not he was sensitive to the item being tested. After the test was completed, a

printer next to the monitor printed a list of foods, chemicals, and other substances, with numerical values corresponding to readings on the Interro screen. Then he was given several homeopathic medicines, instructions for using them, and an article saying that they would result in dramatic relief of his allergic symptoms [6].

In February 1992, 's clinic posted a notice claiming that state-licensed physicians are "exempt from the restrictions and regulations of the federal Food and Drug Administration as a matter of federal law." The notice also stated that "no employee, agent or inspector of the FDA shall be permitted on these premises."

On May 4, 1992, a U.S. magistrate issued warrants authorizing the FDA to conduct criminal searches at 's clinic and the adjacent pharmacy [. The warrants were based on affidavits which concluded that the clinic had been "receiving, using, and dispensing several unapproved and misbranded foreign-manufactured injectable drug products" and that the pharmacy had been dispensing them. Two days later, FDA agents accompanied local police officers who broke down the front door of the Tahoma clinic. and his supporters claim that the search party entered with guns drawn and terrorized the clinic staff. Federal officials state that the police broke down the door because the clinic staff had refused to open it when they knocked, a gun was drawn because the officers suspected that those inside might be hostile, but the gun was never pointed at anyone and was reholstered as soon as the area was deemed safe. The authorities seized products, patient files,

computer records, and Interro devices from the clinic and additional materials from the pharmacy. Two weeks later, the state pharmacy board summarily suspended the pharmacy's license, an action taken only when the board feels that public health may be endangered.

Sherman L. , Assistant Secretary for Licensing and Certification for the state of Washington, noted that the For Your Health pharmacy "was manufacturing a number of drugs and was distributing these drugs not only to patients on prescription but also to other doctors around the country for use in their offices. . . . In addition, the pharmacy was not properly licensed as a manufacturer and the drugs were being made under unsafe conditions." The pharmacy subsequently gave up its license and operated as a health-food store.

and his allies characterized the search procedure as "the Vitamin-B Bust" and sold videotapes showing part of the raid, the reaction of several clinic employees, and demonstrations staged by supporters. However, noted that the items seized "were not just injectable vitamins but included a number of unapproved drugs." He did concede that the police officers' fear of danger was the result of assuming that the FDA definition of "illegal drugs" was the same as the county's definition (which covered heroin, cocaine, etc.).

During a "Larry King Live" television broadcast, an FDA official said that the agency became interested in 's activities after someone complained that he was prescribing L-tryptophan and sending people to the pharmacy to have the prescriptions filled. maintained that he had a right to do this because his supply was not contaminated. When Larry King asked why he thought the FDA ban did not apply to him, replied, "My lawyer said I could use it."

In August 1992, signed an agreement consenting to the destruction of the 103 bottles of L-tryptophan that had been seized and agreeing to pay at least $850 to cover court costs and fees associated with the action [7]. A grand jury was convened to determine whether should be criminally prosecuted for violating FDA drug laws, but he was not indicted.

References

The American Quack Association. Health Consciousness 8(3):4, 1987.

Kupsinel R. The transition physician. Health Consciousness 8(2):16-19, 1987.

Report on Physician Discipline and Malpractice, Tallahassee, FL: Florida Agency for Health Care Administration, April 1997, p 22.

In the Matter of the Search of For Your Health Pharmacy, Inc., Application and affidavit for search warrant, Case #92-236n-02, May 4, 1992. U.S. District Court for the Western District of Washington.

Rollings JN. Letter to Barrett, M.D., November 28, 1986.

In the Matter of the Search of Tahoma Clinic and Meridian Valley Clinical Laboratory, Application and affidavit for search warrant, Case #92-236n-01, May 4, 1992. U.S. District Court for the Western District of Washington.

United States of America, plaintiff, v. 103/100 capsule bottles containing L-tryptophan, defendant. No C91-1445. U.S. District Court for the Western District of Washington at Seattle. Consent decree, Aug 20, 1992.

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The hydrogen bond as I recall was what he won the big one for.CE Grim MDWas he right about anything else? Natalia Kamneva 66 WF with adrenal adenoma, HTN and low renin and low aldesteron To: "hyperaldosteronism " <hyperaldosteronism >Sent: Sat, February 5, 2011 4:14:42 PMSubject: Re: Re: Adrenal Health From where?Linus ing won a Noble prize but was wrong about Vit C. Tiped sad Send form miiPhone ;-)May your pressure be low!CE Grim MDSpecializing in DifficultHypertension Dr. is a scientist and physician with 3 doctorate degrees and 2 masters degree.Sent from my iPad From this site http://www.adrenalfatigue.org/ you will find this. If you look at information on Dr. L. you will see that he is not an MD.Dr. L. coined the term "ADRENAL FATIGUE" in 1998 to identify a group of signs and symptoms that people experience as a result of suboptimal adrenal function. This lack of optimal adrenal performance is often associated with the affects of stress on the human body.> > > > > > > > > > > > Stress..........Lack of sleep.........Altered fatty acid metabolites (visceral fat) --- Metabolic Syndrome ---- Increased Insulin*> > > > > > Adrenals * ............Kidneys.remain insulin sensitive ...........Increased aldosterone......Sodium retention**> > > > > > > > > * Paradoxical hyperaldosteronemia and sodium retention in the face of> > > excess sodium intake Hypertension 2004;43:358-563.> > > > > > **Epoxy-keto derivative of linoleic acid stimulates aldosterone secretion. Goodfriend TL et al.> > > Hypertension 2006;48:239-245. Plasma aldosterone is independently associated> > > with the metabolic syndrome. Bochud M et al.> > >> >>Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post | Start a New TopicMessages in this topic (14)RECENT ACTIVITY:New Members 4New Links 1New Files 2Visit Your GroupMARKETPLACEStay on top of your group activity without leaving the page you're on - Get the Yahoo! Toolbar now.Find useful articles and helpful tips on living with Fibromyalgia. Visit the Fibromyalgia Zone today!

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I don't have time to do my own research on all the things I would like to work on let alone on fringe issues but the proponents of the fringe shold should do it but don't.Thank you. Bravo, bravo, bravo!!!!!! Science is not able to answer all questions, but it doesn't mean that non science then can answer them. Is not adrenal fatigue the same vague term as just fatigue? It just means that something is bad :-) Natalia Kamneva 66 WF with adrenal adenoma, HTN and low renin and low aldesteron To: hyperaldosteronism Sent: Sat, February 5, 2011 5:13:20 PMSubject: Re: Adrenal Health Here is something you need to look at. do your own research to see how true it is.First this Thyroid Health Site Colleen ForgusBellaOnline's Thyroid Health EditorNote that The Foreward for the book was written by Dr. V. MD. I did a search for this Dr found something very intresing about him.Review-Dr. 's "Adrenal Fatigue" Guest Author - Jim LowranceI bought this wonderful book on the subject of adrenal fatigue entitled; "Adrenal Fatigue The 21st Century Stress Syndrome", about two years ago, at a Hastings book store. It was very interesting and hard to put down, so I finished it within a couple of days despite the fact it contains over 300 pages of reading. This book is authored by Dr. L. , who has a PhD in Human Nutrition, having also completed studies in immunology, microbiology, pharmacology and toxicology. He also has master's degrees in bio-nutrition and psychology and is a Doctor of Chiropractic and Naturopathic Medicine.The Foreward for the book was written by Dr. V. MD, who cites the fact that there are other MDs who have dedicated time to medical research and helping to inform the medical community about this very real medical condition, including Tintera MD and Jeffries MD. These facts are contrasted by the mentions by Dr. , in which he points out the fact in this book, that many doctors still do not recognize adrenal fatigue and therefore will not test patients for it or recommend treatments. This is changing slowly however, with more doctors beginning to recognize this syndrome as a true illness that can seriously affect the quality-of-life of those who experience it. My own doctor for example, who is a Board Certified Family Practitioner, fully recognizes this stress syndrome and actually provides her patients who suffer adrenal fatigue, with sheets that outline some of the treatments recommended by Dr. in this book.Information Dr. V. MDFrom Quackwatch AQA's president and cofounder was V. , M.D., a Harvard graduate who obtained his medical degree at the University of Michigan and began practicing "nutritional medicine" in 1973 at his Tahoma Clinic in Kent, Washington, a few miles southeast of Seattle. He and Alan Gaby, M.D., of Baltimore, give seminars for health professionals on "Nutrition as Therapy," which present their theories in detail. (AQA's first 16 members were recruited at the May 1985 seminar.) also operates the Meridian Valley Laboratory, a facility that does many nonstandard tests. From 1993 through 1998, helped lead the National Health Federation, a group whose primary goal is to abolish government regulation of health-care activities.In the early 1990s, achieved considerable notoriety battling the FDA. The dispute surfaced in July 1991 when law enforcement officers seized 103 bottles of L-tryptophan from the For Your Health Pharmacy, adjacent to 's clinic. The FDA had banned the marketing of L-tryptophan after it was implicated in an outbreak of eosinophilia-myalgia syndrome, but continued to prescribe it. In August 1991, he filed suit, asserting that the outbreak was due to a contaminant and that his tryptophan was safe and therefore legal to dispense. The suit also asked the court to return the product and bar the FDA from "unreasonably interfering" with his ability to exercise clinical judgment in treating patients.During the same month, according to an FDA affidavit, FDA investigators observed mold in some glass vials at the pharmacy and were informed that the products had been made at a laboratory adjacent to 's clinic. Further investigation indicated that and the pharmacist were co-owners of the laboratory and clinic and that a clandestine manufacturing facility was being constructed in a vacant business next to the pharmacy [4]. When the investigators went to the laboratory, would not permit them to conduct a full inspection. During the next few months, however, illegally marketed products were identified by inspecting trash from the clinic and pharmacy.In December 1991, an FDA inspector posed as a patient and was diagnosed with an Interro device, a computerized galvanometer that measures changes in the skin's electrical resistance and depicts them on the screen of a monitor. (The reading on the screen is determined by how hard the probe is pressed against the patient's finger; the harder the pressure, the less skin resistance and the higher the reading. The FDA Center for Devices and Radiologic Health has said that such devices are "adulterated and misbranded" and can have no legal medical use [5].) The inspector reported that the woman who operated the device probed points on one of his fingers while selecting items on the screen that were said to represent substances to which he might be allergic. The woman explained that the height of a vertical bar that appeared when she probed his finger would indicate whether or not he was sensitive to the item being tested. After the test was completed, a printer next to the monitor printed a list of foods, chemicals, and other substances, with numerical values corresponding to readings on the Interro screen. Then he was given several homeopathic medicines, instructions for using them, and an article saying that they would result in dramatic relief of his allergic symptoms [6].In February 1992, 's clinic posted a notice claiming that state-licensed physicians are "exempt from the restrictions and regulations of the federal Food and Drug Administration as a matter of federal law." The notice also stated that "no employee, agent or inspector of the FDA shall be permitted on these premises."On May 4, 1992, a U.S. magistrate issued warrants authorizing the FDA to conduct criminal searches at 's clinic and the adjacent pharmacy [. The warrants were based on affidavits which concluded that the clinic had been "receiving, using, and dispensing several unapproved and misbranded foreign-manufactured injectable drug products" and that the pharmacy had been dispensing them. Two days later, FDA agents accompanied local police officers who broke down the front door of the Tahoma clinic. and his supporters claim that the search party entered with guns drawn and terrorized the clinic staff. Federal officials state that the police broke down the door because the clinic staff had refused to open it when they knocked, a gun was drawn because the officers suspected that those inside might be hostile, but the gun was never pointed at anyone and was reholstered as soon as the area was deemed safe. The authorities seized products, patient files, computer records, and Interro devices from the clinic and additional materials from the pharmacy. Two weeks later, the state pharmacy board summarily suspended the pharmacy's license, an action taken only when the board feels that public health may be endangered.Sherman L. , Assistant Secretary for Licensing and Certification for the state of Washington, noted that the For Your Health pharmacy "was manufacturing a number of drugs and was distributing these drugs not only to patients on prescription but also to other doctors around the country for use in their offices. . . . In addition, the pharmacy was not properly licensed as a manufacturer and the drugs were being made under unsafe conditions." The pharmacy subsequently gave up its license and operated as a health-food store. and his allies characterized the search procedure as "the Vitamin-B Bust" and sold videotapes showing part of the raid, the reaction of several clinic employees, and demonstrations staged by supporters. However, noted that the items seized "were not just injectable vitamins but included a number of unapproved drugs." He did concede that the police officers' fear of danger was the result of assuming that the FDA definition of "illegal drugs" was the same as the county's definition (which covered heroin, cocaine, etc.).During a "Larry King Live" television broadcast, an FDA official said that the agency became interested in 's activities after someone complained that he was prescribing L-tryptophan and sending people to the pharmacy to have the prescriptions filled. maintained that he had a right to do this because his supply was not contaminated. When Larry King asked why he thought the FDA ban did not apply to him, replied, "My lawyer said I could use it."In August 1992, signed an agreement consenting to the destruction of the 103 bottles of L-tryptophan that had been seized and agreeing to pay at least $850 to cover court costs and fees associated with the action [7]. A grand jury was convened to determine whether should be criminally prosecuted for violating FDA drug laws, but he was not indicted.ReferencesThe American Quack Association. Health Consciousness 8(3):4, 1987. Kupsinel R. The transition physician. Health Consciousness 8(2):16-19, 1987. Report on Physician Discipline and Malpractice, Tallahassee, FL: Florida Agency for Health Care Administration, April 1997, p 22. In the Matter of the Search of For Your Health Pharmacy, Inc., Application and affidavit for search warrant, Case #92-236n-02, May 4, 1992. U.S. District Court for the Western District of Washington. Rollings JN. Letter to Barrett, M.D., November 28, 1986. In the Matter of the Search of Tahoma Clinic and Meridian Valley Clinical Laboratory, Application and affidavit for search warrant, Case #92-236n-01, May 4, 1992. U.S. District Court for the Western District of Washington. United States of America, plaintiff, v. 103/100 capsule bottles containing L-tryptophan, defendant. No C91-1445. U.S. District Court for the Western District of Washington at Seattle. Consent decree, Aug 20, 1992. Quackwatch Home PageThis article was revised on February 20, 2009. > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > Stress..........Lack of sleep.........Altered fatty acid metabolites (visceral fat) --- Metabolic Syndrome ---- Increased Insulin*> > >> > > > > > >> > > > Adrenals * ............Kidneys.remain insulin sensitive ...........Increased aldosterone......Sodium retention**> > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > * Paradoxical hyperaldosteronemia and sodium retention in the face of> > >> > > > excess sodium intake Hypertension 2004;43:358-563.> > >> > > > > > >> > > > **Epoxy-keto derivative of linoleic acid stimulates aldosterone secretion. Goodfriend TL et al.> > >> > > > Hypertension 2006;48:239-245. Plasma aldosterone is independently associated> > >> > > > with the metabolic syndrome. 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NO adrenal fatigue is NOT the same as just fatigue. Big difference.Sent from my iPad

I don't have time to do my own research on all the things I would like to work on let alone on fringe issues but the proponents of the fringe shold should do it but don't.Thank you. Bravo, bravo,

bravo!!!!!! Science is not able to answer all questions, but it doesn't mean that non science then can answer them. Is not adrenal fatigue the same vague term as just fatigue? It just means that something is bad :-) Natalia Kamneva 66 WF with adrenal adenoma, HTN and low renin and low aldesteron From: Francis Bill SUSPECTED

PA To: hyperaldosteronism Sent: Sat, February 5, 2011 5:13:20 PMSubject: Re: Adrenal Health Here is something you need to look at. do your own research to see how true it is.First this Thyroid Health Site Colleen ForgusBellaOnline's Thyroid Health EditorNote that The Foreward for the book was written by Dr. V. MD. I did a search for this Dr found something very intresing about him.Review-Dr. 's "Adrenal Fatigue" Guest Author - Jim LowranceI bought this wonderful book on the subject of adrenal fatigue entitled; "Adrenal Fatigue The 21st Century Stress Syndrome", about two years ago, at a Hastings book store. It was very interesting and hard to put down, so I finished it within a couple of days despite the fact it contains over 300 pages of reading. This book is authored by Dr. L. , who has a PhD in Human Nutrition, having also completed studies in immunology, microbiology, pharmacology and toxicology. He also has master's

degrees in bio-nutrition and psychology and is a Doctor of Chiropractic and Naturopathic Medicine.The Foreward for the book was written by Dr. V. MD, who cites the fact that there are other MDs who have dedicated time to medical research and helping to inform the medical community about this very real medical condition, including Tintera MD and Jeffries MD. These facts are contrasted by the mentions by Dr. , in which he points out the fact in this book, that many doctors still do not recognize adrenal fatigue and therefore will not test patients for it or recommend treatments. This is changing slowly however, with more doctors beginning to recognize this syndrome as a true illness that can seriously affect the quality-of-life of those who experience it. My own doctor for example, who is a Board Certified Family Practitioner, fully recognizes this stress syndrome and actually provides her patients who suffer

adrenal fatigue, with sheets that outline some of the treatments recommended by Dr. in this book.Information Dr. V. MDFrom Quackwatch AQA's president and cofounder was V. , M.D., a Harvard graduate who obtained his medical degree at the University of Michigan and began practicing "nutritional medicine" in 1973 at his Tahoma Clinic in Kent, Washington, a few miles southeast of Seattle. He and Alan Gaby, M.D., of Baltimore, give seminars for health professionals on "Nutrition as Therapy," which present their theories in detail. (AQA's first 16 members were recruited at the May 1985 seminar.) also operates the Meridian Valley Laboratory, a facility that does many nonstandard tests. From 1993 through 1998, helped lead the National Health Federation, a group whose primary goal is to abolish government regulation of health-care

activities.In the early 1990s, achieved considerable notoriety battling the FDA. The dispute surfaced in July 1991 when law enforcement officers seized 103 bottles of L-tryptophan from the For Your Health Pharmacy, adjacent to 's clinic. The FDA had banned the marketing of L-tryptophan after it was implicated in an outbreak of eosinophilia-myalgia syndrome, but continued to prescribe it. In August 1991, he filed suit, asserting that the outbreak was due to a contaminant and that his tryptophan was safe and therefore legal to dispense. The suit also asked the court to return the product and bar the FDA from "unreasonably interfering" with his ability to exercise clinical judgment in treating patients.During the same month, according to an FDA affidavit, FDA investigators observed mold in some glass vials at the pharmacy and were informed that the products had been made at a laboratory adjacent to 's clinic.

Further investigation indicated that and the pharmacist were co-owners of the laboratory and clinic and that a clandestine manufacturing facility was being constructed in a vacant business next to the pharmacy [4]. When the investigators went to the laboratory, would not permit them to conduct a full inspection. During the next few months, however, illegally marketed products were identified by inspecting trash from the clinic and pharmacy.In December 1991, an FDA inspector posed as a patient and was diagnosed with an Interro device, a computerized galvanometer that measures changes in the skin's electrical resistance and depicts them on the screen of a monitor. (The reading on the screen is determined by how hard the probe is pressed against the patient's finger; the harder the pressure, the less skin resistance and the higher the reading. The FDA Center for Devices and Radiologic Health has said that such devices are "adulterated

and misbranded" and can have no legal medical use [5].) The inspector reported that the woman who operated the device probed points on one of his fingers while selecting items on the screen that were said to represent substances to which he might be allergic. The woman explained that the height of a vertical bar that appeared when she probed his finger would indicate whether or not he was sensitive to the item being tested. After the test was completed, a printer next to the monitor printed a list of foods, chemicals, and other substances, with numerical values corresponding to readings on the Interro screen. Then he was given several homeopathic medicines, instructions for using them, and an article saying that they would result in dramatic relief of his allergic symptoms [6].In February 1992, 's clinic posted a notice claiming that state-licensed physicians are "exempt from the restrictions and regulations of the federal Food and Drug

Administration as a matter of federal law." The notice also stated that "no employee, agent or inspector of the FDA shall be permitted on these premises."On May 4, 1992, a U.S. magistrate issued warrants authorizing the FDA to conduct criminal searches at 's clinic and the adjacent pharmacy [. The warrants were based on affidavits which concluded that the clinic had been "receiving, using, and dispensing several unapproved and misbranded foreign-manufactured injectable drug products" and that the pharmacy had been dispensing them. Two days later, FDA agents accompanied local police officers who broke down the front door of the Tahoma clinic. and his supporters claim that the search party entered with guns drawn and terrorized the clinic staff. Federal officials state that the police broke down the door because the clinic staff had refused to open it when they knocked, a gun was drawn because the officers suspected that those inside

might be hostile, but the gun was never pointed at anyone and was reholstered as soon as the area was deemed safe. The authorities seized products, patient files, computer records, and Interro devices from the clinic and additional materials from the pharmacy. Two weeks later, the state pharmacy board summarily suspended the pharmacy's license, an action taken only when the board feels that public health may be endangered.Sherman L. , Assistant Secretary for Licensing and Certification for the state of Washington, noted that the For Your Health pharmacy "was manufacturing a number of drugs and was distributing these drugs not only to patients on prescription but also to other doctors around the country for use in their offices. . . . In addition, the pharmacy was not properly licensed as a manufacturer and the drugs were being made under unsafe conditions." The pharmacy subsequently gave up its license and operated as a health-food

store. and his allies characterized the search procedure as "the Vitamin-B Bust" and sold videotapes showing part of the raid, the reaction of several clinic employees, and demonstrations staged by supporters. However, noted that the items seized "were not just injectable vitamins but included a number of unapproved drugs." He did concede that the police officers' fear of danger was the result of assuming that the FDA definition of "illegal drugs" was the same as the county's definition (which covered heroin, cocaine, etc.).During a "Larry King Live" television broadcast, an FDA official said that the agency became interested in 's activities after someone complained that he was prescribing L-tryptophan and sending people to the pharmacy to have the prescriptions filled. maintained that he had a right to do this because his supply was not contaminated. When Larry King asked why he thought the FDA ban did not

apply to him, replied, "My lawyer said I could use it."In August 1992, signed an agreement consenting to the destruction of the 103 bottles of L-tryptophan that had been seized and agreeing to pay at least $850 to cover court costs and fees associated with the action [7]. A grand jury was convened to determine whether should be criminally prosecuted for violating FDA drug laws, but he was not indicted.ReferencesThe American Quack Association. Health Consciousness 8(3):4, 1987. Kupsinel R. The transition physician. Health Consciousness 8(2):16-19, 1987. Report on Physician Discipline and Malpractice, Tallahassee, FL: Florida Agency for Health Care Administration, April 1997, p 22. In the Matter of the Search of For Your Health Pharmacy, Inc., Application and

affidavit for search warrant, Case #92-236n-02, May 4, 1992. U.S. District Court for the Western District of Washington. Rollings JN. Letter to Barrett, M.D., November 28, 1986. In the Matter of the Search of Tahoma Clinic and Meridian Valley Clinical Laboratory, Application and affidavit for search warrant, Case #92-236n-01, May 4, 1992. U.S. District Court for the Western District of Washington. United States of America, plaintiff, v. 103/100 capsule bottles containing L-tryptophan, defendant. No C91-1445. U.S. District Court for the Western District of Washington at Seattle. Consent decree, Aug 20, 1992. Quackwatch Home PageThis article was revised on February 20, 2009. > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > Stress..........Lack of sleep.........Altered fatty acid metabolites (visceral fat) --- Metabolic Syndrome ---- Increased Insulin*> > >> > > > > > >> > > > Adrenals * ............Kidneys.remain insulin sensitive ...........Increased aldosterone......Sodium retention**> > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > * Paradoxical hyperaldosteronemia and sodium retention in the face of> > >> > > > excess sodium intake Hypertension 2004;43:358-563.> > >> > > > > > >> > > > **Epoxy-keto derivative of linoleic acid stimulates aldosterone secretion. Goodfriend TL et al.> > >> > > > Hypertension 2006;48:239-245. Plasma aldosterone is independently associated> > >> > > > with the metabolic syndrome. Bochud M et al.> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> >> > >> > > > > > > > >

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Stress-Adrenal Health-Kidney Function. - use the term hypocortisolism or HPA axis dysfunction instead of adrenal fatigue and you will find the research. Please watch this video by Dr. Lena http://www.balancehealthandwellness.com/videos.html This 20 minute video addresses that conventionally trained physicians need to start to recognize that this condition is real. Watch it all!Other article of interest below:The Effect of Stress Hormones on Kidney Function

January 29, 2010 Source:

The

Effect of Stress Hormones on Kidney Function | eHow.com

http://www.ehow.comfacts_5929145_effect-stress-hormones-kidney-function.html#ixzz1DIkElr4x

Exposure to any

form of stress triggers activity within the

hypothalamic-pituitary-adrenal axis. The key aspect of stress

response is adrenal release of norepinephrine, epinephrine and

cortisol. These hormones affect multiple physiological functions,

including those of kidneys.

Calcium

Balance

In addition to reducing

intestinal calcium absorption, cortisol inhibits calcium

reabsorption from renal tubules, which results in calcium loss.

Electrolyte And Fluid

Regulation

Cortisol promotes phosphate

excretion by the kidneys. At high enough concentrations, cortisol,

like aldosterone, causes retention of sodium and fluid.

Glomerular Filtration

Rate

Catecholamines, i.e,

epinephrine

and norepinephrine, cause constriction of

blood vessels within the kidney, which results in diminished

glomerular filtration rate and, subsequently, reduced urinary water

output.

Sodium Retention

Catecholamines excreted from

the adrenal glands, reduce kidney sodium excretion, further

contributing to water retention.

Implications

The combination of

vasoconstriction and increase in blood volume (because of water

retention) raises blood pressure, which can, over time, translate

into chronic hypertension. Persistent water retention as an outcome

of prolonged elevations in stress hormones can also produce edema.

References

"The

effect of hydrocortisone on the transport of water, sodium, and

glucose in the jejunum. Perfusion studies in normal subjects and

patients with coeliac disease"; G.I. Sandle, et al, 1981.

"Endocrinology:

An integrated Approach"; S.S. Nussey and S.A. Whitehead, 2001.

"High

Blood Pressure"; Merck Online Medical Library, 2007.

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Show me the data that those who do this are healthier than those who don't.My guess is there is no data.No data no deal.CE Grim MDStress-Adrenal Health-Kidney Function. - use the term hypocortisolism or HPA axis dysfunction instead of adrenal fatigue and you will find the research. Please watch this video by Dr. Lena http://www.balancehealthandwellness.com/videos.html This 20 minute video addresses that conventionally trained physicians need to start to recognize that this condition is real. Watch it all!Other article of interest below:The Effect of Stress Hormones on Kidney FunctionJanuary 29, 2010 Source: The Effect of Stress Hormones on Kidney Function | eHow.com http://www.ehow.comfacts_5929145_effect-stress-hormones-kidney-function.html#ixzz1DIkElr4xExposure to any form of stress triggers activity within the hypothalamic-pituitary-adrenal axis. The key aspect of stress response is adrenal release of norepinephrine, epinephrine and cortisol. These hormones affect multiple physiological functions, including those of kidneys.Calcium BalanceIn addition to reducing intestinal calcium absorption, cortisol inhibits calcium reabsorption from renal tubules, which results in calcium loss.Electrolyte And Fluid RegulationCortisol promotes phosphate excretion by the kidneys. At high enough concentrations, cortisol, like aldosterone, causes retention of sodium and fluid.Glomerular Filtration RateCatecholamines, i.e, epinephrine and norepinephrine, cause constriction of blood vessels within the kidney, which results in diminished glomerular filtration rate and, subsequently, reduced urinary water output.Sodium RetentionCatecholamines excreted from the adrenal glands, reduce kidney sodium excretion, further contributing to water retention.ImplicationsThe combination of vasoconstriction and increase in blood volume (because of water retention) raises blood pressure, which can, over time, translate into chronic hypertension.Persistent water retention as an outcome of prolonged elevations in stress hormones can also produce edema.References"The effect of hydrocortisone on the transport of water, sodium, and glucose in the jejunum. Perfusion studies in normal subjects and patients with coeliac disease"; G.I. Sandle, et al, 1981."Endocrinology: An integrated Approach"; S.S. Nussey and S.A. Whitehead, 2001."High Blood Pressure"; Merck Online Medical Library, 2007.> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > Stress..........Lack of sleep.........Altered fatty > > acid metabolites (visceral fat) --- Metabolic Syndrome ---- > > Increased Insulin*> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > Adrenals * ............Kidneys.remain insulin > > sensitive ...........Increased aldosterone......Sodium retention**> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > * Paradoxical hyperaldosteronemia and sodium retention > > in the face of> > > > >> > > > excess sodium intake Hypertension 2004;43:358-563.> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > **Epoxy-keto derivative of linoleic acid stimulates > > aldosterone secretion. Goodfriend TL et al.> > > > >> > > > Hypertension 2006;48:239-245. Plasma aldosterone is > > independently associated> > > > >> > > > with the metabolic syndrome. Bochud M et al.> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post | Start > > a New Topic> > > > > Messages in this topic (14)> > > > > RECENT ACTIVITY: New Members 4 New Links 1 New Files 2> > > > > Visit Your Group> > > > > MARKETPLACE> > > > > Stay on top of your group activity without leaving the page > > you're on - Get the Yahoo! Toolbar now.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Find useful articles and helpful tips on living with > > Fibromyalgia. Visit the Fibromyalgia Zone today!> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> >> >> >> >>

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GIVE US THE REFERENCES ON PUBMED TO THIS HUMBUG.CE Grim MDStress-Adrenal Health-Kidney Function. - use the term hypocortisolism or HPA axis dysfunction instead of adrenal fatigue and you will find the research. Please watch this video by Dr. Lena http://www.balancehealthandwellness.com/videos.html This 20 minute video addresses that conventionally trained physicians need to start to recognize that this condition is real. Watch it all!Other article of interest below:The Effect of Stress Hormones on Kidney FunctionJanuary 29, 2010 Source: The Effect of Stress Hormones on Kidney Function | eHow.com http://www.ehow.comfacts_5929145_effect-stress-hormones-kidney-function.html#ixzz1DIkElr4xExposure to any form of stress triggers activity within the hypothalamic-pituitary-adrenal axis. The key aspect of stress response is adrenal release of norepinephrine, epinephrine and cortisol. These hormones affect multiple physiological functions, including those of kidneys.Calcium BalanceIn addition to reducing intestinal calcium absorption, cortisol inhibits calcium reabsorption from renal tubules, which results in calcium loss.Electrolyte And Fluid RegulationCortisol promotes phosphate excretion by the kidneys. At high enough concentrations, cortisol, like aldosterone, causes retention of sodium and fluid.Glomerular Filtration RateCatecholamines, i.e, epinephrine and norepinephrine, cause constriction of blood vessels within the kidney, which results in diminished glomerular filtration rate and, subsequently, reduced urinary water output.Sodium RetentionCatecholamines excreted from the adrenal glands, reduce kidney sodium excretion, further contributing to water retention.ImplicationsThe combination of vasoconstriction and increase in blood volume (because of water retention) raises blood pressure, which can, over time, translate into chronic hypertension. Persistent water retention as an outcome of prolonged elevations in stress hormones can also produce edema.References"The effect of hydrocortisone on the transport of water, sodium, and glucose in the jejunum. Perfusion studies in normal subjects and patients with coeliac disease"; G.I. Sandle, et al, 1981."Endocrinology: An integrated Approach"; S.S. Nussey and S.A. Whitehead, 2001."High Blood Pressure"; Merck Online Medical Library, 2007.> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > Stress..........Lack of sleep.........Altered fatty > > acid metabolites (visceral fat) --- Metabolic Syndrome ---- > > Increased Insulin*> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > Adrenals * ............Kidneys.remain insulin > > sensitive ...........Increased aldosterone......Sodium retention**> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > * Paradoxical hyperaldosteronemia and sodium retention > > in the face of> > > > >> > > > excess sodium intake Hypertension 2004;43:358-563.> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > **Epoxy-keto derivative of linoleic acid stimulates > > aldosterone secretion. Goodfriend TL et al.> > > > >> > > > Hypertension 2006;48:239-245. Plasma aldosterone is > > independently associated> > > > >> > > > with the metabolic syndrome. Bochud M et al.> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post | Start > > a New Topic> > > > > Messages in this topic (14)> > > > > RECENT ACTIVITY: New Members 4 New Links 1 New Files 2> > > > > Visit Your Group> > > > > MARKETPLACE> > > > > Stay on top of your group activity without leaving the page > > you're on - Get the Yahoo! Toolbar now.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Find useful articles and helpful tips on living with > > Fibromyalgia. Visit the Fibromyalgia Zone today!> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> >> >> >> >>