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Dr Grimm, I don't know if you are just a narcissist, as many doctors are, or if you just feel free to be rude on the internet. I understand that you are a busy man, volunteering many hours. It also appears you are working on some research and using information from and for this site as a support for people with poor health. However, a little sensitivity and respect to others on this site might serve all well. Dysregulation of the HPA axis (adrenal health) was simply something I wanted to be part of this discussion when someone has difficult to control blood pressure. I won't be "bothering" you anymore as I no longer feel I wish to contribute to the group when you continually respond in a rude tone to many of us. Good luck

with your goals. p.s. Dr. Grimm, I encourage you to remove some blinders - we on this site are not well and many have multiple health problems. I will respect that your thing is PA. ElaineTo: elaine bright Cc: Clarence Grim Sent: Wed, February 2, 2011 6:46:49 PMSubject: Re: AdrenalYa da ya da ya. It is not paradoxical it is unrecongized

hyperaldo. They had not read my article yet!Yes aldo is assoccociated with metabolic syndrome when it is associated with the meataholic syndorome. CE Grim MDStress..........Lack of sleep.........Altered fatty acid metabolites (visceral fat) --- Metabolic Syndrome ---- Increased Insulin*Adrenals *

.............Kidneys.remain insulin sensitive ...........Increased aldosterone......Sodium retention*** Paradoxical hyperaldosteronemia and sodium retention in the face ofexcess sodium intake Hypertension 2004;43:358-563.**Epoxy-keto derivative of linoleic acid stimulates aldosterone secretion. Goodfriend TL et al.Hypertension 2006;48:239-245. Plasma aldosterone is independently associatedwith the metabolic syndrome. Bochud M et al.

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Dr. Grimm if "adrenal fatigue" is really unrecognized "hyperaldosteronism" wouldn't it make sence that "hyperaldosteronism" could really be unrecognized "adrenal fatigue"?Elaine-I DO believe in adrenal fatigue. I have done a lot of "research" into my own health issues and have discovered how important adrenal function comes into play with thyroid function. We know our bodies better than anyone-trust your instinct! SuzanneSent from my iPad

Dr Grimm, I don't know if you are just a narcissist, as many doctors are, or if you just feel free to be rude on the internet. I understand that you are a busy man, volunteering many hours. It also appears you are working on some research and using information from and for this site as a support for people with poor health. However, a little sensitivity and respect to others on this site might serve all well. Dysregulation of the HPA axis (adrenal health) was simply something I wanted to be part of this discussion when someone has difficult to control blood pressure. I won't be "bothering" you anymore as I no longer feel I wish to contribute to the group when you continually respond in a rude tone to many of us. Good luck

with your goals. p.s. Dr. Grimm, I encourage you to remove some blinders - we on this site are not well and many have multiple health problems. I will respect that your thing is PA. ElaineTo: elaine bright Cc: Clarence Grim Sent: Wed, February 2, 2011 6:46:49 PMSubject: Re: AdrenalYa da ya da ya. It is not paradoxical it is unrecongized

hyperaldo. They had not read my article yet!Yes aldo is assoccociated with metabolic syndrome when it is associated with the meataholic syndorome. CE Grim MDStress..........Lack of sleep.........Altered fatty acid metabolites (visceral fat) --- Metabolic Syndrome ---- Increased Insulin*Adrenals *

.............Kidneys.remain insulin sensitive ...........Increased aldosterone......Sodium retention*** Paradoxical hyperaldosteronemia and sodium retention in the face ofexcess sodium intake Hypertension 2004;43:358-563.**Epoxy-keto derivative of linoleic acid stimulates aldosterone secretion. Goodfriend TL et al.Hypertension 2006;48:239-245. Plasma aldosterone is independently associatedwith the metabolic syndrome. Bochud M et al.

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Can you find any research the relates to adrenal fatigue. The places I have see

this term used is on sites that are trying to sell you some type herbs.

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> Stress..........Lack of sleep.........Altered fatty acid metabolites (visceral

fat) --- Metabolic Syndrome ---- Increased Insulin*

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> Adrenals * ............Kidneys.remain insulin sensitive ...........Increased

aldosterone......Sodium retention**

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> * Paradoxical hyperaldosteronemia and sodium retention in the face of

> excess sodium intake Hypertension 2004;43:358-563.

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> **Epoxy-keto derivative of linoleic acid stimulates aldosterone secretion.

Goodfriend TL et al.

> Hypertension 2006;48:239-245. Plasma aldosterone is independently associated

> with the metabolic syndrome. Bochud M et al.

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From the Mayo Clinic

Question

Adrenal fatigue: What causes it?

Is there such a thing as adrenal fatigue?

Answer

from Todd B. Nippoldt, M.D.

Adrenal fatigue is a term applied to a collection of nonspecific symptoms, such

as body aches, fatigue, nervousness, sleep disturbances and digestive problems.

The term often shows up in popular health books and on alternative medicine Web

sites, but it isn't an accepted medical diagnosis.

Your adrenal glands produce a variety of hormones that are essential to life.

The medical term " adrenal insufficiency, " or 's disease, refers to

inadequate production of one or more of these hormones as a result of an

underlying disease. Signs and symptoms of adrenal insufficiency include fatigue,

body aches, unexplained weight loss, low blood pressure, lightheadedness and

loss of body hair. Adrenal insufficiency can be diagnosed by blood tests and

special stimulation tests that show inadequate levels of adrenal hormones.

Proponents of the adrenal fatigue diagnosis claim this is a mild form of adrenal

insufficiency caused by chronic stress. The unproven theory behind adrenal

fatigue is that your adrenal glands are unable to keep pace with the demands of

perpetual fight-or-flight arousal. As a result, they can't produce quite enough

of the hormones you need to feel good. Existing blood tests, according to this

theory, aren't sensitive enough to detect such a small decline in adrenal

function — but your body is. That's why you feel tired, weak and depressed.

It's frustrating to have persistent symptoms your doctor can't readily explain.

But accepting a medically unrecognized diagnosis from an unqualified

practitioner could be worse. Unproven remedies for so-called " adrenal fatigue "

may leave you feeling sicker, while the real cause — such as depression or

fibromyalgia — continues to take its toll.

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(visceral fat) --- Metabolic Syndrome ---- Increased Insulin*

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> > Adrenals * ............Kidneys.remain insulin sensitive

............Increased aldosterone......Sodium retention**

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> > * Paradoxical hyperaldosteronemia and sodium retention in the face of

> > excess sodium intake Hypertension 2004;43:358-563.

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> > **Epoxy-keto derivative of linoleic acid stimulates aldosterone secretion.

Goodfriend TL et al.

> > Hypertension 2006;48:239-245. Plasma aldosterone is independently associated

> > with the metabolic syndrome. Bochud M et al.

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If there was adrenal fatigue I would think every drug co. would be trying to

come up with a durg to cure it.

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> > > Stress..........Lack of sleep.........Altered fatty acid metabolites

(visceral fat) --- Metabolic Syndrome ---- Increased Insulin*

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> > > Adrenals * ............Kidneys.remain insulin sensitive

............Increased aldosterone......Sodium retention**

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> > > * Paradoxical hyperaldosteronemia and sodium retention in the face of

> > > excess sodium intake Hypertension 2004;43:358-563.

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> > > **Epoxy-keto derivative of linoleic acid stimulates aldosterone secretion.

Goodfriend TL et al.

> > > Hypertension 2006;48:239-245. Plasma aldosterone is independently

associated

> > > with the metabolic syndrome. Bochud M et al.

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From this site

http://www.adrenalfatigue.org/ you will find this. If you look at information on

Dr. L. you will see that he is not an MD.

Dr. L. coined the term " ADRENAL FATIGUE " in 1998 to identify a

group of signs and symptoms that people experience as a result of suboptimal

adrenal function. This lack of optimal adrenal performance is often associated

with the affects of stress on the human body.

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(visceral fat) --- Metabolic Syndrome ---- Increased Insulin*

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> > > Adrenals * ............Kidneys.remain insulin sensitive

............Increased aldosterone......Sodium retention**

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> > > * Paradoxical hyperaldosteronemia and sodium retention in the face of

> > > excess sodium intake Hypertension 2004;43:358-563.

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> > > **Epoxy-keto derivative of linoleic acid stimulates aldosterone secretion.

Goodfriend TL et al.

> > > Hypertension 2006;48:239-245. Plasma aldosterone is independently

associated

> > > with the metabolic syndrome. Bochud M et al.

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The Mayo piece sounds right on. Tiped sad Send form miiPhone ;-)May your pressure be low!CE Grim MDSpecializing in DifficultHypertension

From this site

http://www.adrenalfatigue.org/ you will find this. If you look at information on Dr. L. you will see that he is not an MD.

Dr. L. coined the term "ADRENAL FATIGUE" in 1998 to identify a group of signs and symptoms that people experience as a result of suboptimal adrenal function. This lack of optimal adrenal performance is often associated with the affects of stress on the human body.

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> > > Stress..........Lack of sleep.........Altered fatty acid metabolites (visceral fat) --- Metabolic Syndrome ---- Increased Insulin*

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> > > Adrenals * ............Kidneys.remain insulin sensitive ...........Increased aldosterone......Sodium retention**

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> > > * Paradoxical hyperaldosteronemia and sodium retention in the face of

> > > excess sodium intake Hypertension 2004;43:358-563.

> > >

> > > **Epoxy-keto derivative of linoleic acid stimulates aldosterone secretion. Goodfriend TL et al.

> > > Hypertension 2006;48:239-245. Plasma aldosterone is independently associated

> > > with the metabolic syndrome. Bochud M et al.

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Never trust your instincts re health. Believing in something does not make it true. Just like SANTA CLAUS. If you and your health care team hAve done a proper n of one trial then that is good. Please do a pubmed search on adrenal fatigue and give us some research to look at. Adrenal fatigue would the opposite of PA if AF existed. Tiped sad Send form miiPhone ;-)May your pressure be low!CE Grim MDSpecializing in DifficultHypertension

Dr. Grimm if "adrenal fatigue" is really unrecognized "hyperaldosteronism" wouldn't it make sence that "hyperaldosteronism" could really be unrecognized "adrenal fatigue"?Elaine-I DO believe in adrenal fatigue. I have done a lot of "research" into my own health issues and have discovered how important adrenal function comes into play with thyroid function. We know our bodies better than anyone-trust your instinct! SuzanneSent from my iPad

Dr Grimm, I don't know if you are just a narcissist, as many doctors are, or if you just feel free to be rude on the internet. I understand that you are a busy man, volunteering many hours. It also appears you are working on some research and using information from and for this site as a support for people with poor health. However, a little sensitivity and respect to others on this site might serve all well. Dysregulation of the HPA axis (adrenal health) was simply something I wanted to be part of this discussion when someone has difficult to control blood pressure. I won't be "bothering" you anymore as I no longer feel I wish to contribute to the group when you continually respond in a rude tone to many of us. Good luck

with your goals. p.s. Dr. Grimm, I encourage you to remove some blinders - we on this site are not well and many have multiple health problems. I will respect that your thing is PA. ElaineTo: elaine bright Cc: Clarence Grim Sent: Wed, February 2, 2011 6:46:49 PMSubject: Re: AdrenalYa da ya da ya. It is not paradoxical it is unrecongized

hyperaldo. They had not read my article yet!Yes aldo is assoccociated with metabolic syndrome when it is associated with the meataholic syndorome. CE Grim MDStress..........Lack of sleep.........Altered fatty acid metabolites (visceral fat) --- Metabolic Syndrome ---- Increased Insulin*Adrenals *

.............Kidneys.remain insulin sensitive ...........Increased aldosterone......Sodium retention*** Paradoxical hyperaldosteronemia and sodium retention in the face ofexcess sodium intake Hypertension 2004;43:358-563.**Epoxy-keto derivative of linoleic acid stimulates aldosterone secretion. Goodfriend TL et al.Hypertension 2006;48:239-245. Plasma aldosterone is independently associatedwith the metabolic syndrome. Bochud M et al.

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I am sure they will!Sent from my iPad

If there was adrenal fatigue I would think every drug co. would be trying to come up with a durg to cure it.

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> > > Stress..........Lack of sleep.........Altered fatty acid metabolites (visceral fat) --- Metabolic Syndrome ---- Increased Insulin*

> > >

> > > Adrenals * ............Kidneys.remain insulin sensitive ...........Increased aldosterone......Sodium retention**

> > >

> > >

> > > * Paradoxical hyperaldosteronemia and sodium retention in the face of

> > > excess sodium intake Hypertension 2004;43:358-563.

> > >

> > > **Epoxy-keto derivative of linoleic acid stimulates aldosterone secretion. Goodfriend TL et al.

> > > Hypertension 2006;48:239-245. Plasma aldosterone is independently associated

> > > with the metabolic syndrome. Bochud M et al.

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's on one end of the spectrum and Cushings on the other leaves a lot of room in-between for adrenal problems!Where do you, or rather Dr. Nippoldt, think depression comes from? I suppose a deficiency in anti-depressants!And Fibromyalgia is a LAME diagnosis that Dr.'s give when they can't find the real problem! Do you know how many people with "fibromyalgia" would feel better once the doctors started looking for thyroid and adrenal issues?!?!?!?!? Sent from my iPad

If there was adrenal fatigue I would think every drug co. would be trying to come up with a durg to cure it.

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> > > Stress..........Lack of sleep.........Altered fatty acid metabolites (visceral fat) --- Metabolic Syndrome ---- Increased Insulin*

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> > > Adrenals * ............Kidneys.remain insulin sensitive ...........Increased aldosterone......Sodium retention**

> > >

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> > > * Paradoxical hyperaldosteronemia and sodium retention in the face of

> > > excess sodium intake Hypertension 2004;43:358-563.

> > >

> > > **Epoxy-keto derivative of linoleic acid stimulates aldosterone secretion. Goodfriend TL et al.

> > > Hypertension 2006;48:239-245. Plasma aldosterone is independently associated

> > > with the metabolic syndrome. Bochud M et al.

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Dr. is a scientist and physician with 3 doctorate degrees and 2 masters degree.Sent from my iPad

From this site

http://www.adrenalfatigue.org/ you will find this. If you look at information on Dr. L. you will see that he is not an MD.

Dr. L. coined the term "ADRENAL FATIGUE" in 1998 to identify a group of signs and symptoms that people experience as a result of suboptimal adrenal function. This lack of optimal adrenal performance is often associated with the affects of stress on the human body.

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> > > Stress..........Lack of sleep.........Altered fatty acid metabolites (visceral fat) --- Metabolic Syndrome ---- Increased Insulin*

> > >

> > > Adrenals * ............Kidneys.remain insulin sensitive ...........Increased aldosterone......Sodium retention**

> > >

> > >

> > > * Paradoxical hyperaldosteronemia and sodium retention in the face of

> > > excess sodium intake Hypertension 2004;43:358-563.

> > >

> > > **Epoxy-keto derivative of linoleic acid stimulates aldosterone secretion. Goodfriend TL et al.

> > > Hypertension 2006;48:239-245. Plasma aldosterone is independently associated

> > > with the metabolic syndrome. Bochud M et al.

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Read this study on Aldo and depression.

http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/QKxNTWKbDri2LTk9qGAS675b9PTthum8eZP6_Pa0CKsQHS--JT2\

cccwFZpZ6KVgQkb3F1hUqlzoJZdTSRpJ_N-9jR3g4IlX_gA/depression%20and%20PA/Study%20de\

pression%20and%20PA.pdf

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> > > > Stress..........Lack of sleep.........Altered fatty acid metabolites

(visceral fat) --- Metabolic Syndrome ---- Increased Insulin*

> > > >

> > > > Adrenals * ............Kidneys.remain insulin sensitive

............Increased aldosterone......Sodium retention**

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > * Paradoxical hyperaldosteronemia and sodium retention in the face of

> > > > excess sodium intake Hypertension 2004;43:358-563.

> > > >

> > > > **Epoxy-keto derivative of linoleic acid stimulates aldosterone

secretion. Goodfriend TL et al.

> > > > Hypertension 2006;48:239-245. Plasma aldosterone is independently

associated

> > > > with the metabolic syndrome. Bochud M et al.

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Recommend you get textbook of Endocrinology and study a bit so you are not wasting your energy. With AF u must not have much. Give us your biochemical evidence of AF. THEN we cAn talk Tiped sad Send form miiPhone ;-)May your pressure be low!CE Grim MDSpecializing in DifficultHypertension

Read this study on Aldo and depression.

http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/QKxNTWKbDri2LTk9qGAS675b9PTthum8eZP6_Pa0CKsQHS--JT2cccwFZpZ6KVgQkb3F1hUqlzoJZdTSRpJ_N-9jR3g4IlX_gA/depression%20and%20PA/Study%20depression%20and%20PA.pdf

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> > > > Stress..........Lack of sleep.........Altered fatty acid metabolites (visceral fat) --- Metabolic Syndrome ---- Increased Insulin*

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> > > > Adrenals * ............Kidneys.remain insulin sensitive ...........Increased aldosterone......Sodium retention**

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> > > > * Paradoxical hyperaldosteronemia and sodium retention in the face of

> > > > excess sodium intake Hypertension 2004;43:358-563.

> > > >

> > > > **Epoxy-keto derivative of linoleic acid stimulates aldosterone secretion. Goodfriend TL et al.

> > > > Hypertension 2006;48:239-245. Plasma aldosterone is independently associated

> > > > with the metabolic syndrome. Bochud M et al.

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From where?Linus ing won a Noble prize but was wrong about Vit C. Tiped sad Send form miiPhone ;-)May your pressure be low!CE Grim MDSpecializing in DifficultHypertension

Dr. is a scientist and physician with 3 doctorate degrees and 2 masters degree.Sent from my iPad

From this site

http://www.adrenalfatigue.org/ you will find this. If you look at information on Dr. L. you will see that he is not an MD.

Dr. L. coined the term "ADRENAL FATIGUE" in 1998 to identify a group of signs and symptoms that people experience as a result of suboptimal adrenal function. This lack of optimal adrenal performance is often associated with the affects of stress on the human body.

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> > > Stress..........Lack of sleep.........Altered fatty acid metabolites (visceral fat) --- Metabolic Syndrome ---- Increased Insulin*

> > >

> > > Adrenals * ............Kidneys.remain insulin sensitive ...........Increased aldosterone......Sodium retention**

> > >

> > >

> > > * Paradoxical hyperaldosteronemia and sodium retention in the face of

> > > excess sodium intake Hypertension 2004;43:358-563.

> > >

> > > **Epoxy-keto derivative of linoleic acid stimulates aldosterone secretion. Goodfriend TL et al.

> > > Hypertension 2006;48:239-245. Plasma aldosterone is independently associated

> > > with the metabolic syndrome. Bochud M et al.

> > >

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If he isn't an MD what kind of physician is Dr. .

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Here is something you need to look at. do your own research to see how true it

is.

First this

Thyroid Health Site

Colleen Forgus

BellaOnline's Thyroid Health Editor

Note that The Foreward for the book was written by Dr. V. MD. I

did a search for this Dr found something very intresing about him.

Review-Dr. 's " Adrenal Fatigue "

Guest Author - Jim Lowrance

I bought this wonderful book on the subject of adrenal fatigue entitled;

" Adrenal Fatigue The 21st Century Stress Syndrome " , about two years ago, at a

Hastings book store. It was very interesting and hard to put down, so I finished

it within a couple of days despite the fact it contains over 300 pages of

reading. This book is authored by Dr. L. , who has a PhD in Human

Nutrition, having also completed studies in immunology, microbiology,

pharmacology and toxicology. He also has master's degrees in bio-nutrition and

psychology and is a Doctor of Chiropractic and Naturopathic Medicine.

The Foreward for the book was written by Dr. V. MD, who cites

the fact that there are other MDs who have dedicated time to medical research

and helping to inform the medical community about this very real medical

condition, including Tintera MD and Jeffries MD. These facts are

contrasted by the mentions by Dr. , in which he points out the fact in

this book, that many doctors still do not recognize adrenal fatigue and

therefore will not test patients for it or recommend treatments. This is

changing slowly however, with more doctors beginning to recognize this syndrome

as a true illness that can seriously affect the quality-of-life of those who

experience it. My own doctor for example, who is a Board Certified Family

Practitioner, fully recognizes this stress syndrome and actually provides her

patients who suffer adrenal fatigue, with sheets that outline some of the

treatments recommended by Dr. in this book.

Information Dr. V. MD

From Quackwatch

AQA's president and cofounder was V. , M.D., a Harvard graduate

who obtained his medical degree at the University of Michigan and began

practicing " nutritional medicine " in 1973 at his Tahoma Clinic in Kent,

Washington, a few miles southeast of Seattle. He and Alan Gaby, M.D., of

Baltimore, give seminars for health professionals on " Nutrition as Therapy, "

which present their theories in detail. (AQA's first 16 members were recruited

at the May 1985 seminar.) also operates the Meridian Valley Laboratory, a

facility that does many nonstandard tests. From 1993 through 1998, helped

lead the National Health Federation, a group whose primary goal is to abolish

government regulation of health-care activities.

In the early 1990s, achieved considerable notoriety battling the FDA. The

dispute surfaced in July 1991 when law enforcement officers seized 103 bottles

of L-tryptophan from the For Your Health Pharmacy, adjacent to 's clinic.

The FDA had banned the marketing of L-tryptophan after it was implicated in an

outbreak of eosinophilia-myalgia syndrome, but continued to prescribe it.

In August 1991, he filed suit, asserting that the outbreak was due to a

contaminant and that his tryptophan was safe and therefore legal to dispense.

The suit also asked the court to return the product and bar the FDA from

" unreasonably interfering " with his ability to exercise clinical judgment in

treating patients.

During the same month, according to an FDA affidavit, FDA investigators observed

mold in some glass vials at the pharmacy and were informed that the products had

been made at a laboratory adjacent to 's clinic. Further investigation

indicated that and the pharmacist were co-owners of the laboratory and

clinic and that a clandestine manufacturing facility was being constructed in a

vacant business next to the pharmacy [4]. When the investigators went to the

laboratory, would not permit them to conduct a full inspection. During

the next few months, however, illegally marketed products were identified by

inspecting trash from the clinic and pharmacy.

In December 1991, an FDA inspector posed as a patient and was diagnosed with an

Interro device, a computerized galvanometer that measures changes in the skin's

electrical resistance and depicts them on the screen of a monitor. (The reading

on the screen is determined by how hard the probe is pressed against the

patient's finger; the harder the pressure, the less skin resistance and the

higher the reading. The FDA Center for Devices and Radiologic Health has said

that such devices are " adulterated and misbranded " and can have no legal medical

use [5].) The inspector reported that the woman who operated the device probed

points on one of his fingers while selecting items on the screen that were said

to represent substances to which he might be allergic. The woman explained that

the height of a vertical bar that appeared when she probed his finger would

indicate whether or not he was sensitive to the item being tested. After the

test was completed, a printer next to the monitor printed a list of foods,

chemicals, and other substances, with numerical values corresponding to readings

on the Interro screen. Then he was given several homeopathic medicines,

instructions for using them, and an article saying that they would result in

dramatic relief of his allergic symptoms [6].

In February 1992, 's clinic posted a notice claiming that state-licensed

physicians are " exempt from the restrictions and regulations of the federal Food

and Drug Administration as a matter of federal law. " The notice also stated that

" no employee, agent or inspector of the FDA shall be permitted on these

premises. "

On May 4, 1992, a U.S. magistrate issued warrants authorizing the FDA to conduct

criminal searches at 's clinic and the adjacent pharmacy [. The warrants

were based on affidavits which concluded that the clinic had been " receiving,

using, and dispensing several unapproved and misbranded foreign-manufactured

injectable drug products " and that the pharmacy had been dispensing them. Two

days later, FDA agents accompanied local police officers who broke down the

front door of the Tahoma clinic. and his supporters claim that the search

party entered with guns drawn and terrorized the clinic staff. Federal officials

state that the police broke down the door because the clinic staff had refused

to open it when they knocked, a gun was drawn because the officers suspected

that those inside might be hostile, but the gun was never pointed at anyone and

was reholstered as soon as the area was deemed safe. The authorities seized

products, patient files, computer records, and Interro devices from the clinic

and additional materials from the pharmacy. Two weeks later, the state pharmacy

board summarily suspended the pharmacy's license, an action taken only when the

board feels that public health may be endangered.

Sherman L. , Assistant Secretary for Licensing and Certification for the

state of Washington, noted that the For Your Health pharmacy " was manufacturing

a number of drugs and was distributing these drugs not only to patients on

prescription but also to other doctors around the country for use in their

offices. . . . In addition, the pharmacy was not properly licensed as a

manufacturer and the drugs were being made under unsafe conditions. " The

pharmacy subsequently gave up its license and operated as a health-food store.

and his allies characterized the search procedure as " the Vitamin-B Bust "

and sold videotapes showing part of the raid, the reaction of several clinic

employees, and demonstrations staged by supporters. However, noted

that the items seized " were not just injectable vitamins but included a number

of unapproved drugs. " He did concede that the police officers' fear of danger

was the result of assuming that the FDA definition of " illegal drugs " was the

same as the county's definition (which covered heroin, cocaine, etc.).

During a " Larry King Live " television broadcast, an FDA official said that the

agency became interested in 's activities after someone complained that he

was prescribing L-tryptophan and sending people to the pharmacy to have the

prescriptions filled. maintained that he had a right to do this because

his supply was not contaminated. When Larry King asked why he thought the FDA

ban did not apply to him, replied, " My lawyer said I could use it. "

In August 1992, signed an agreement consenting to the destruction of the

103 bottles of L-tryptophan that had been seized and agreeing to pay at least

$850 to cover court costs and fees associated with the action [7]. A grand jury

was convened to determine whether should be criminally prosecuted for

violating FDA drug laws, but he was not indicted.

References

The American Quack Association. Health Consciousness 8(3):4, 1987.

Kupsinel R. The transition physician. Health Consciousness 8(2):16-19, 1987.

Report on Physician Discipline and Malpractice, Tallahassee, FL: Florida Agency

for Health Care Administration, April 1997, p 22.

In the Matter of the Search of For Your Health Pharmacy, Inc., Application and

affidavit for search warrant, Case #92-236n-02, May 4, 1992. U.S. District Court

for the Western District of Washington.

Rollings JN. Letter to Barrett, M.D., November 28, 1986.

In the Matter of the Search of Tahoma Clinic and Meridian Valley Clinical

Laboratory, Application and affidavit for search warrant, Case #92-236n-01, May

4, 1992. U.S. District Court for the Western District of Washington.

United States of America, plaintiff, v. 103/100 capsule bottles containing

L-tryptophan, defendant. No C91-1445. U.S. District Court for the Western

District of Washington at Seattle. Consent decree, Aug 20, 1992.

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Walks like a duck! Quack Quack Quack.Run, chicken little, run.CE Grim MDHere is something you need to look at. do your own research to see how true it is.First this Thyroid Health Site Colleen ForgusBellaOnline's Thyroid Health EditorNote that The Foreward for the book was written by Dr. V. MD. I did a search for this Dr found something very intresing about him. Review-Dr. 's "Adrenal Fatigue" Guest Author - Jim LowranceI bought this wonderful book on the subject of adrenal fatigue entitled; "Adrenal Fatigue The 21st Century Stress Syndrome", about two years ago, at a Hastings book store. It was very interesting and hard to put down, so I finished it within a couple of days despite the fact it contains over 300 pages of reading. This book is authored by Dr. L. , who has a PhD in Human Nutrition, having also completed studies in immunology, microbiology, pharmacology and toxicology. He also has master's degrees in bio-nutrition and psychology and is a Doctor of Chiropractic and Naturopathic Medicine.The Foreward for the book was written by Dr. V. MD, who cites the fact that there are other MDs who have dedicated time to medical research and helping to inform the medical community about this very real medical condition, including Tintera MD and Jeffries MD. These facts are contrasted by the mentions by Dr. , in which he points out the fact in this book, that many doctors still do not recognize adrenal fatigue and therefore will not test patients for it or recommend treatments. This is changing slowly however, with more doctors beginning to recognize this syndrome as a true illness that can seriously affect the quality-of-life of those who experience it. My own doctor for example, who is a Board Certified Family Practitioner, fully recognizes this stress syndrome and actually provides her patients who suffer adrenal fatigue, with sheets that outline some of the treatments recommended by Dr. in this book.Information Dr. V. MDFrom Quackwatch AQA's president and cofounder was V. , M.D., a Harvard graduate who obtained his medical degree at the University of Michigan and began practicing "nutritional medicine" in 1973 at his Tahoma Clinic in Kent, Washington, a few miles southeast of Seattle. He and Alan Gaby, M.D., of Baltimore, give seminars for health professionals on "Nutrition as Therapy," which present their theories in detail. (AQA's first 16 members were recruited at the May 1985 seminar.) also operates the Meridian Valley Laboratory, a facility that does many nonstandard tests. From 1993 through 1998, helped lead the National Health Federation, a group whose primary goal is to abolish government regulation of health-care activities.In the early 1990s, achieved considerable notoriety battling the FDA. The dispute surfaced in July 1991 when law enforcement officers seized 103 bottles of L-tryptophan from the For Your Health Pharmacy, adjacent to 's clinic. The FDA had banned the marketing of L-tryptophan after it was implicated in an outbreak of eosinophilia-myalgia syndrome, but continued to prescribe it. In August 1991, he filed suit, asserting that the outbreak was due to a contaminant and that his tryptophan was safe and therefore legal to dispense. The suit also asked the court to return the product and bar the FDA from "unreasonably interfering" with his ability to exercise clinical judgment in treating patients.During the same month, according to an FDA affidavit, FDA investigators observed mold in some glass vials at the pharmacy and were informed that the products had been made at a laboratory adjacent to 's clinic. Further investigation indicated that and the pharmacist were co-owners of the laboratory and clinic and that a clandestine manufacturing facility was being constructed in a vacant business next to the pharmacy [4]. When the investigators went to the laboratory, would not permit them to conduct a full inspection. During the next few months, however, illegally marketed products were identified by inspecting trash from the clinic and pharmacy.In December 1991, an FDA inspector posed as a patient and was diagnosed with an Interro device, a computerized galvanometer that measures changes in the skin's electrical resistance and depicts them on the screen of a monitor. (The reading on the screen is determined by how hard the probe is pressed against the patient's finger; the harder the pressure, the less skin resistance and the higher the reading. The FDA Center for Devices and Radiologic Health has said that such devices are "adulterated and misbranded" and can have no legal medical use [5].) The inspector reported that the woman who operated the device probed points on one of his fingers while selecting items on the screen that were said to represent substances to which he might be allergic. The woman explained that the height of a vertical bar that appeared when she probed his finger would indicate whether or not he was sensitive to the item being tested. After the test was completed, a printer next to the monitor printed a list of foods, chemicals, and other substances, with numerical values corresponding to readings on the Interro screen. Then he was given several homeopathic medicines, instructions for using them, and an article saying that they would result in dramatic relief of his allergic symptoms [6].In February 1992, 's clinic posted a notice claiming that state-licensed physicians are "exempt from the restrictions and regulations of the federal Food and Drug Administration as a matter of federal law." The notice also stated that "no employee, agent or inspector of the FDA shall be permitted on these premises."On May 4, 1992, a U.S. magistrate issued warrants authorizing the FDA to conduct criminal searches at 's clinic and the adjacent pharmacy [. The warrants were based on affidavits which concluded that the clinic had been "receiving, using, and dispensing several unapproved and misbranded foreign-manufactured injectable drug products" and that the pharmacy had been dispensing them. Two days later, FDA agents accompanied local police officers who broke down the front door of the Tahoma clinic. and his supporters claim that the search party entered with guns drawn and terrorized the clinic staff. Federal officials state that the police broke down the door because the clinic staff had refused to open it when they knocked, a gun was drawn because the officers suspected that those inside might be hostile, but the gun was never pointed at anyone and was reholstered as soon as the area was deemed safe. The authorities seized products, patient files, computer records, and Interro devices from the clinic and additional materials from the pharmacy. Two weeks later, the state pharmacy board summarily suspended the pharmacy's license, an action taken only when the board feels that public health may be endangered.Sherman L. , Assistant Secretary for Licensing and Certification for the state of Washington, noted that the For Your Health pharmacy "was manufacturing a number of drugs and was distributing these drugs not only to patients on prescription but also to other doctors around the country for use in their offices. . . . In addition, the pharmacy was not properly licensed as a manufacturer and the drugs were being made under unsafe conditions." The pharmacy subsequently gave up its license and operated as a health-food store. and his allies characterized the search procedure as "the Vitamin-B Bust" and sold videotapes showing part of the raid, the reaction of several clinic employees, and demonstrations staged by supporters. However, noted that the items seized "were not just injectable vitamins but included a number of unapproved drugs." He did concede that the police officers' fear of danger was the result of assuming that the FDA definition of "illegal drugs" was the same as the county's definition (which covered heroin, cocaine, etc.).During a "Larry King Live" television broadcast, an FDA official said that the agency became interested in 's activities after someone complained that he was prescribing L-tryptophan and sending people to the pharmacy to have the prescriptions filled. maintained that he had a right to do this because his supply was not contaminated. When Larry King asked why he thought the FDA ban did not apply to him, replied, "My lawyer said I could use it."In August 1992, signed an agreement consenting to the destruction of the 103 bottles of L-tryptophan that had been seized and agreeing to pay at least $850 to cover court costs and fees associated with the action [7]. A grand jury was convened to determine whether should be criminally prosecuted for violating FDA drug laws, but he was not indicted.ReferencesThe American Quack Association. Health Consciousness 8(3):4, 1987. Kupsinel R. The transition physician. Health Consciousness 8(2):16-19, 1987. Report on Physician Discipline and Malpractice, Tallahassee, FL: Florida Agency for Health Care Administration, April 1997, p 22. In the Matter of the Search of For Your Health Pharmacy, Inc., Application and affidavit for search warrant, Case #92-236n-02, May 4, 1992. U.S. District Court for the Western District of Washington. Rollings JN. Letter to Barrett, M.D., November 28, 1986. In the Matter of the Search of Tahoma Clinic and Meridian Valley Clinical Laboratory, Application and affidavit for search warrant, Case #92-236n-01, May 4, 1992. U.S. District Court for the Western District of Washington. United States of America, plaintiff, v. 103/100 capsule bottles containing L-tryptophan, defendant. 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He is not a physician ie an MD or DO. L. , D.C., N.D., Ph.D. Founder & President of Future Formulations, LLC.Chiropractor, Naturopath and pilled higher and deeper. Recommend getting out before you adrenals wear out.CE Grim.

Dr. is a scientist and physician with 3 doctorate degrees and 2 masters degree.Sent from my iPad From this site http://www.adrenalfatigue.org/ you will find this. If you look at information on Dr. L. you will see that he is not an MD.Dr. L. coined the term "ADRENAL FATIGUE" in 1998 to identify a group of signs and symptoms that people experience as a result of suboptimal adrenal function. This lack of optimal adrenal performance is often associated with the affects of stress on the human body.> > > > > > > > > > > > Stress..........Lack of sleep.........Altered fatty acid metabolites (visceral fat) --- Metabolic Syndrome ---- Increased Insulin*> > > > > > Adrenals * ............Kidneys.remain insulin sensitive ...........Increased aldosterone......Sodium retention**> > > > > > > > > * Paradoxical hyperaldosteronemia and sodium retention in the face of> > > excess sodium intake Hypertension 2004;43:358-563.> > > > > > **Epoxy-keto derivative of linoleic acid stimulates aldosterone secretion. Goodfriend TL et al.> > > Hypertension 2006;48:239-245. Plasma aldosterone is independently associated> > > with the metabolic syndrome. Bochud M et al.> > >> >>

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I NEVER said Hyperaldosteronism can't cause depression. Hyperaldosteronism is not the only illness. May imbalances can cause depression. Sent from my iPad

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You are wasting your energy being closed-minded! Elaine said it best when she said try removing your blinders.I have found perfect balance with my health and it doesn't include taking a pharmaceutical for the rest of my life. Proof doesn't get any better than that!Sent from my iPad

Recommend you get textbook of Endocrinology and study a bit so you are not wasting your energy. With AF u must not have much. Give us your biochemical evidence of AF. THEN we cAn talk Tiped sad Send form miiPhone ;-)May your pressure be low!CE Grim MDSpecializing in DifficultHypertension

Read this study on Aldo and depression.

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It is

no wonder you get coal in your stocking.

Ahem!

Val

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[mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Clarence Grim

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Subject: Re: Re: Adrenal Health

Well I sort of believe in him.

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Feb 5, 2011, at 4:31 PM, Valarie wrote:

That's blasphemous! Santa Claus is alive and real.

Val

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Never trust your instincts re

health. Believing in something does not make it true. Just like SANTA CLAUS.

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I did a pub med search on adrenal fatigue. Found only 3. The first we have seen The second is in a review and is free so might be worth reading. The 3rd is in Japanese quail. I trust you are not a quail.CE Grim MDMayo Clinic office visit. Adrenal fatigue. An interview with Todd Nippoldt, M.D.Nippoldt T.Mayo Clin Womens Healthsource. 2010 Mar;14(3):6. No abstract available.PMID: 20110864 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]Related citations2.Nutrients and botanicals for treatment of stress: adrenal fatigue, neurotransmitter imbalance, anxiety, and restless sleep.Head KA, GS.Altern Med Rev. 2009 Jun;14(2):114-40. Review.PMID: 19594222 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]Free ArticleRelated citations3.Adrenal responses to chronic and acute water stress in Japanese quail Coturnix japonica.Tome ME, McNabb FM, Gwazdauskas FC.Comp Biochem Physiol A Comp Physiol. 1985;81(1):171-9.PMID: 2859951 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]Related citationsI NEVER said Hyperaldosteronism can't cause depression. Hyperaldosteronism is not the only illness. May imbalances can cause depression. Sent from my iPad Read this study on Aldo and depression. http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/QKxNTWKbDri2LTk9qGAS675b9PTthum8eZP6_Pa0CKsQHS--JT2cccwFZpZ6KVgQkb3F1hUqlzoJZdTSRpJ_N-9jR3g4IlX_gA/depression%20and%20PA/Study%20depression%20and%20PA.pdf--- In hyperaldosteronism , Suzanne Kann wrote:>> 's on one end of the spectrum and Cushings on the other leaves a lot of room in-between for adrenal problems!> > Where do you, or rather Dr. Nippoldt, think depression comes from? I suppose a deficiency in anti-depressants!> > And Fibromyalgia is a LAME diagnosis that Dr.'s give when they can't find the real problem! Do you know how many people with "fibromyalgia" would feel better once the doctors started looking for thyroid and adrenal issues?!?!?!?!? > > Sent from my iPad> > > > If there was adrenal fatigue I would think every drug co. would be trying to come up with a durg to cure it.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stress..........Lack of sleep.........Altered fatty acid metabolites (visceral fat) --- Metabolic Syndrome ---- Increased Insulin*> > > > > > > > Adrenals * ............Kidneys.remain insulin sensitive ...........Increased aldosterone......Sodium retention**> > > > > > > > > > > > * Paradoxical hyperaldosteronemia and sodium retention in the face of> > > > excess sodium intake Hypertension 2004;43:358-563.> > > > > > > > **Epoxy-keto derivative of linoleic acid stimulates aldosterone secretion. Goodfriend TL et al.> > > > Hypertension 2006;48:239-245. Plasma aldosterone is independently associated> > > > with the metabolic syndrome. Bochud M et al.> > > >> > >> >>

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