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> > > > > > > My doctor just called with the results of last week's aldosterone

suppresion test/oral sodium loading test. As expected, my aldo was off the

charts high, both serum and urine. (I can post numbers when I have a hard copy

in front of me, if anyone is interested.) The interesting thing my doctor

observed was that I did not excrete a lot of sodium - he believes it's because

my diet is very low sodium. (I believe it's still trapped in my body in the form

of the extra 2 pounds I've been carrying around since the test!)

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> > > > > > > This gives me the go-ahead for AVS, or, interestingly, he said I

could skip the AVS and have the adrenalectomy. I want to be good and certain

that the culprit is my left adrenal before surgery, so I think I'm going through

with the AVS first. I'm aware of the high risk of inconclusive results, and the

risks of the procedure in general.

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> > > > > > > This brings up two questions: how common is it to skip the AVS

entirely? I only heard of that recently from another member here; I had been

under the impression that standard protocol was AVS before surgery.

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> > > > > > > And, long shot I know, but - anybody here have their AVS done at

UCLA? Or anywhere in the greater Los Angeles area? If you have an interventional

radiologist in the area that you'd recommend, please let me know. Thanks!

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> > > > > > > - msmith1928

> > > > > > > 45, female, 5'3 " , 120 lbs, 1cm left adrenal nodule, aldosterone

42.3, renin 0.5, potassium <2.9 (when not taking supplements); 25mg spiro caused

gynecomastia, no meds currently except 20MEQ K 2x/day; low sodium, fructose- and

grain-free diet

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Hey man, (wait a minute, " " is gender neutral so I hope I guessed right, if

not please forgive me!) you have to realize some of us aren't rookies in this

game - we just didn't know what game we were playing so we fought it the old

fashion way!(I figure in the neighborhood of 35m yrs. for me!) It took up to 7

BP meds & Potassium Suppl.! It's in my Conn's story (under 's conns Story)

if you want to see them! Taking Metoprolol at 200mg twice a day keeps me in the

high 60's to around 80. I actually get to check that quite often since it is

the second number on my Oximeter, which was clipped to my finger for about 1

hour this morning!

Depressed, Who in Hell said I wasn't depressed! Thanks for your input, it helps

me see just how much they may have been trying to kill me with meds!

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> > > > > > > My doctor just called with the results of last week's aldosterone

suppresion test/oral sodium loading test. As expected, my aldo was off the

charts high, both serum and urine. (I can post numbers when I have a hard copy

in front of me, if anyone is interested.) The interesting thing my doctor

observed was that I did not excrete a lot of sodium - he believes it's because

my diet is very low sodium. (I believe it's still trapped in my body in the form

of the extra 2 pounds I've been carrying around since the test!)

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> > > > > > > This gives me the go-ahead for AVS, or, interestingly, he said I

could skip the AVS and have the adrenalectomy. I want to be good and certain

that the culprit is my left adrenal before surgery, so I think I'm going through

with the AVS first. I'm aware of the high risk of inconclusive results, and the

risks of the procedure in general.

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> > > > > > > This brings up two questions: how common is it to skip the AVS

entirely? I only heard of that recently from another member here; I had been

under the impression that standard protocol was AVS before surgery.

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> > > > > > > And, long shot I know, but - anybody here have their AVS done at

UCLA? Or anywhere in the greater Los Angeles area? If you have an interventional

radiologist in the area that you'd recommend, please let me know. Thanks!

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> > > > > > > 45, female, 5'3 " , 120 lbs, 1cm left adrenal nodule, aldosterone

42.3, renin 0.5, potassium <2.9 (when not taking supplements); 25mg spiro caused

gynecomastia, no meds currently except 20MEQ K 2x/day; low sodium, fructose- and

grain-free diet

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I'm also interested in the actual stats on 'much less'. If the recommendation of

the AAES (if that's how they're known) is to skip AVS if you're under 40, I

presume they base this on some data that supports that (my yet-to-be-supported

97%?)? Especially as over 40 they clearly recommend AVS first so it's not that

they're anti-AVS.

And is it even more näive to imagine that my position is currently a lifetime of

drugs vs. surgery that may or may not lead to cure. And if it doesn't lead to

cure, then I have a lifetime of drugs (either immediately or whenever I get a

recurrence on the other side). If surgery is not successful, does that mean a

higher drug requirement than if I just opt for drugs straight off? Or is it a

question of life expectancy? What downside have I missed?

I get the clear risk that the growth on one side could be benign and

co-incidentally the other, apparently clear, side could be the trouble maker (or

it could be bilateral) but if I can get a justification for 97%, that's a 3%

risk I'm willing to take (topside risk given that even AVS will not necessarily

give a clear picture). Especially if the only downside of the risk is a lifetime

of drugs.

I'm not ignoring DASH and all that but I see that as supplementary in every

scenario - it's not going to effect a cure for me.

Hester

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> > > > > > > > My doctor just called with the results of last week's

> > > aldosterone suppresion test/oral sodium loading test. As expected,

> > > my aldo was off the charts high, both serum and urine. (I can post

> > > numbers when I have a hard copy in front of me, if anyone is

> > > interested.) The interesting thing my doctor observed was that I did

> > > not excrete a lot of sodium - he believes it's because my diet is

> > > very low sodium. (I believe it's still trapped in my body in the

> > > form of the extra 2 pounds I've been carrying around since the test!)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > This gives me the go-ahead for AVS, or, interestingly, he

> > > said I could skip the AVS and have the adrenalectomy. I want to be

> > > good and certain that the culprit is my left adrenal before surgery,

> > > so I think I'm going through with the AVS first. I'm aware of the

> > > high risk of inconclusive results, and the risks of the procedure in

> > > general.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > This brings up two questions: how common is it to skip the

> > > AVS entirely? I only heard of that recently from another member

> > > here; I had been under the impression that standard protocol was AVS

> > > before surgery.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > And, long shot I know, but - anybody here have their AVS

> > > done at UCLA? Or anywhere in the greater Los Angeles area? If you

> > > have an interventional radiologist in the area that you'd recommend,

> > > please let me know. Thanks!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > - msmith1928

> > > > > > > > 45, female, 5'3 " , 120 lbs, 1cm left adrenal nodule,

> > > aldosterone 42.3, renin 0.5, potassium <2.9 (when not taking

> > > supplements); 25mg spiro caused gynecomastia, no meds currently

> > > except 20MEQ K 2x/day; low sodium, fructose- and grain-free diet

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So what stats do you know that support the chance of cure being much lower

without AVS? Because surely the only cure is removal of the correct gland (drugs

presumably not being regarded as a cure). So the 'much less' implies that there

are many, many cases of the wrong adrenal gland being removed despite MRI/CT

scans indicating growths on that side and not the other. Is that the case?

Just pursuing this because I can't find much data (although that I do find

indicates the outcome of surgery is likely to be positive) so I'd love to see

more!

Thanks,

Hester

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> > > > > > > > > > My doctor just called with the results of last week's

> > > > > aldosterone suppresion test/oral sodium loading test. As

> > expected,

> > > > > my aldo was off the charts high, both serum and urine. (I can

> > post

> > > > > numbers when I have a hard copy in front of me, if anyone is

> > > > > interested.) The interesting thing my doctor observed was that

> > I did

> > > > > not excrete a lot of sodium - he believes it's because my diet

> > is

> > > > > very low sodium. (I believe it's still trapped in my body in the

> > > > > form of the extra 2 pounds I've been carrying around since the

> > test!)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > This gives me the go-ahead for AVS, or,

> > interestingly, he

> > > > > said I could skip the AVS and have the adrenalectomy. I want

> > to be

> > > > > good and certain that the culprit is my left adrenal before

> > surgery,

> > > > > so I think I'm going through with the AVS first. I'm aware of

> > the

> > > > > high risk of inconclusive results, and the risks of the

> > procedure in

> > > > > general.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > This brings up two questions: how common is it to

> > skip the

> > > > > AVS entirely? I only heard of that recently from another member

> > > > > here; I had been under the impression that standard protocol

> > was AVS

> > > > > before surgery.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > And, long shot I know, but - anybody here have their

> > AVS

> > > > > done at UCLA? Or anywhere in the greater Los Angeles area? If

> > you

> > > > > have an interventional radiologist in the area that you'd

> > recommend,

> > > > > please let me know. Thanks!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > - msmith1928

> > > > > > > > > > 45, female, 5'3 " , 120 lbs, 1cm left adrenal nodule,

> > > > > aldosterone 42.3, renin 0.5, potassium <2.9 (when not taking

> > > > > supplements); 25mg spiro caused gynecomastia, no meds currently

> > > > > except 20MEQ K 2x/day; low sodium, fructose- and grain-free diet

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Are you asking Dr Grim this or ?

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> > > > > > > > > > > My doctor just called with the results of last week's

> > > > > > aldosterone suppresion test/oral sodium loading test. As

> > > expected,

> > > > > > my aldo was off the charts high, both serum and urine. (I can

> > > post

> > > > > > numbers when I have a hard copy in front of me, if anyone is

> > > > > > interested.) The interesting thing my doctor observed was that

> > > I did

> > > > > > not excrete a lot of sodium - he believes it's because my diet

> > > is

> > > > > > very low sodium. (I believe it's still trapped in my body in the

> > > > > > form of the extra 2 pounds I've been carrying around since the

> > > test!)

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > This gives me the go-ahead for AVS, or,

> > > interestingly, he

> > > > > > said I could skip the AVS and have the adrenalectomy. I want

> > > to be

> > > > > > good and certain that the culprit is my left adrenal before

> > > surgery,

> > > > > > so I think I'm going through with the AVS first. I'm aware of

> > > the

> > > > > > high risk of inconclusive results, and the risks of the

> > > procedure in

> > > > > > general.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > This brings up two questions: how common is it to

> > > skip the

> > > > > > AVS entirely? I only heard of that recently from another member

> > > > > > here; I had been under the impression that standard protocol

> > > was AVS

> > > > > > before surgery.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > And, long shot I know, but - anybody here have their

> > > AVS

> > > > > > done at UCLA? Or anywhere in the greater Los Angeles area? If

> > > you

> > > > > > have an interventional radiologist in the area that you'd

> > > recommend,

> > > > > > please let me know. Thanks!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > - msmith1928

> > > > > > > > > > > 45, female, 5'3 " , 120 lbs, 1cm left adrenal nodule,

> > > > > > aldosterone 42.3, renin 0.5, potassium <2.9 (when not taking

> > > > > > supplements); 25mg spiro caused gynecomastia, no meds currently

> > > > > > except 20MEQ K 2x/day; low sodium, fructose- and grain-free diet

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Dr Grim - going back to the quote 'Yep and the chances of cure are much less

than if you have AVS done.'

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> > > > > > > > > > > > My doctor just called with the results of last week's

> > > > > > > aldosterone suppresion test/oral sodium loading test. As

> > > > expected,

> > > > > > > my aldo was off the charts high, both serum and urine. (I can

> > > > post

> > > > > > > numbers when I have a hard copy in front of me, if anyone is

> > > > > > > interested.) The interesting thing my doctor observed was that

> > > > I did

> > > > > > > not excrete a lot of sodium - he believes it's because my diet

> > > > is

> > > > > > > very low sodium. (I believe it's still trapped in my body in the

> > > > > > > form of the extra 2 pounds I've been carrying around since the

> > > > test!)

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > This gives me the go-ahead for AVS, or,

> > > > interestingly, he

> > > > > > > said I could skip the AVS and have the adrenalectomy. I want

> > > > to be

> > > > > > > good and certain that the culprit is my left adrenal before

> > > > surgery,

> > > > > > > so I think I'm going through with the AVS first. I'm aware of

> > > > the

> > > > > > > high risk of inconclusive results, and the risks of the

> > > > procedure in

> > > > > > > general.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > This brings up two questions: how common is it to

> > > > skip the

> > > > > > > AVS entirely? I only heard of that recently from another member

> > > > > > > here; I had been under the impression that standard protocol

> > > > was AVS

> > > > > > > before surgery.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > And, long shot I know, but - anybody here have their

> > > > AVS

> > > > > > > done at UCLA? Or anywhere in the greater Los Angeles area? If

> > > > you

> > > > > > > have an interventional radiologist in the area that you'd

> > > > recommend,

> > > > > > > please let me know. Thanks!

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > - msmith1928

> > > > > > > > > > > > 45, female, 5'3 " , 120 lbs, 1cm left adrenal nodule,

> > > > > > > aldosterone 42.3, renin 0.5, potassium <2.9 (when not taking

> > > > > > > supplements); 25mg spiro caused gynecomastia, no meds currently

> > > > > > > except 20MEQ K 2x/day; low sodium, fructose- and grain-free diet

> > > > > > > > > > > >

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Obviously Dr. Grim, I'm an Expert at nothing! (Definition of " Expert " : " Ex " =

past and " spert " is a drip under pressure!

(who-sed-dat)

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > My doctor just called with the results of last week's

> > > > > > > aldosterone suppresion test/oral sodium loading test. As

> > > > expected,

> > > > > > > my aldo was off the charts high, both serum and urine. (I can

> > > > post

> > > > > > > numbers when I have a hard copy in front of me, if anyone is

> > > > > > > interested.) The interesting thing my doctor observed was that

> > > > I did

> > > > > > > not excrete a lot of sodium - he believes it's because my diet

> > > > is

> > > > > > > very low sodium. (I believe it's still trapped in my body in the

> > > > > > > form of the extra 2 pounds I've been carrying around since the

> > > > test!)

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > This gives me the go-ahead for AVS, or,

> > > > interestingly, he

> > > > > > > said I could skip the AVS and have the adrenalectomy. I want

> > > > to be

> > > > > > > good and certain that the culprit is my left adrenal before

> > > > surgery,

> > > > > > > so I think I'm going through with the AVS first. I'm aware of

> > > > the

> > > > > > > high risk of inconclusive results, and the risks of the

> > > > procedure in

> > > > > > > general.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > This brings up two questions: how common is it to

> > > > skip the

> > > > > > > AVS entirely? I only heard of that recently from another member

> > > > > > > here; I had been under the impression that standard protocol

> > > > was AVS

> > > > > > > before surgery.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > And, long shot I know, but - anybody here have their

> > > > AVS

> > > > > > > done at UCLA? Or anywhere in the greater Los Angeles area? If

> > > > you

> > > > > > > have an interventional radiologist in the area that you'd

> > > > recommend,

> > > > > > > please let me know. Thanks!

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > - msmith1928

> > > > > > > > > > > > 45, female, 5'3 " , 120 lbs, 1cm left adrenal nodule,

> > > > > > > aldosterone 42.3, renin 0.5, potassium <2.9 (when not taking

> > > > > > > supplements); 25mg spiro caused gynecomastia, no meds currently

> > > > > > > except 20MEQ K 2x/day; low sodium, fructose- and grain-free diet

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Most likey not going to find much on the 40 year old cut off on doing AVS. What

would change this just based on age?

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > My doctor just called with the results of last

week's

> > > > > > > > > aldosterone suppresion test/oral sodium loading test. As

> > > > > > expected,

> > > > > > > > > my aldo was off the charts high, both serum and urine. (I can

> > > > > > post

> > > > > > > > > numbers when I have a hard copy in front of me, if anyone is

> > > > > > > > > interested.) The interesting thing my doctor observed was that

> > > > > > I did

> > > > > > > > > not excrete a lot of sodium - he believes it's because my diet

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > very low sodium. (I believe it's still trapped in my body in

the

> > > > > > > > > form of the extra 2 pounds I've been carrying around since the

> > > > > > test!)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > This gives me the go-ahead for AVS, or,

> > > > > > interestingly, he

> > > > > > > > > said I could skip the AVS and have the adrenalectomy. I want

> > > > > > to be

> > > > > > > > > good and certain that the culprit is my left adrenal before

> > > > > > surgery,

> > > > > > > > > so I think I'm going through with the AVS first. I'm aware of

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > high risk of inconclusive results, and the risks of the

> > > > > > procedure in

> > > > > > > > > general.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > This brings up two questions: how common is it to

> > > > > > skip the

> > > > > > > > > AVS entirely? I only heard of that recently from another

member

> > > > > > > > > here; I had been under the impression that standard protocol

> > > > > > was AVS

> > > > > > > > > before surgery.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > And, long shot I know, but - anybody here have their

> > > > > > AVS

> > > > > > > > > done at UCLA? Or anywhere in the greater Los Angeles area? If

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > have an interventional radiologist in the area that you'd

> > > > > > recommend,

> > > > > > > > > please let me know. Thanks!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > - msmith1928

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 45, female, 5'3 " , 120 lbs, 1cm left adrenal nodule,

> > > > > > > > > aldosterone 42.3, renin 0.5, potassium <2.9 (when not taking

> > > > > > > > > supplements); 25mg spiro caused gynecomastia, no meds

currently

> > > > > > > > > except 20MEQ K 2x/day; low sodium, fructose- and grain-free

diet

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Aha - but I am but a recently diagnosed novice to all this - and therein lies

the problem. Which is why I've turned up here to this support group. So when I

read scary facts like 'your chances of cure are much less than if you have an

AVS done' when I'm planning on surgery without going through AVS first, I

question the expert about what that's based on. I have in forefront of my mind

your experience and assume you know what those stats are (or at least which

research has quantified it) as well as the qualitative summary.

I will, of course, start searching pub med immediately but isn't the point of

this support group to allow non-medics like myself to get in touch with experts

for advice rather than having to trawl through the research?

Hester

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > My doctor just called with the results of last

week's

> > > > > > > > > aldosterone suppresion test/oral sodium loading test. As

> > > > > > expected,

> > > > > > > > > my aldo was off the charts high, both serum and urine. (I can

> > > > > > post

> > > > > > > > > numbers when I have a hard copy in front of me, if anyone is

> > > > > > > > > interested.) The interesting thing my doctor observed was that

> > > > > > I did

> > > > > > > > > not excrete a lot of sodium - he believes it's because my diet

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > very low sodium. (I believe it's still trapped in my body in

the

> > > > > > > > > form of the extra 2 pounds I've been carrying around since the

> > > > > > test!)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > This gives me the go-ahead for AVS, or,

> > > > > > interestingly, he

> > > > > > > > > said I could skip the AVS and have the adrenalectomy. I want

> > > > > > to be

> > > > > > > > > good and certain that the culprit is my left adrenal before

> > > > > > surgery,

> > > > > > > > > so I think I'm going through with the AVS first. I'm aware of

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > high risk of inconclusive results, and the risks of the

> > > > > > procedure in

> > > > > > > > > general.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > This brings up two questions: how common is it to

> > > > > > skip the

> > > > > > > > > AVS entirely? I only heard of that recently from another

member

> > > > > > > > > here; I had been under the impression that standard protocol

> > > > > > was AVS

> > > > > > > > > before surgery.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > And, long shot I know, but - anybody here have their

> > > > > > AVS

> > > > > > > > > done at UCLA? Or anywhere in the greater Los Angeles area? If

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > have an interventional radiologist in the area that you'd

> > > > > > recommend,

> > > > > > > > > please let me know. Thanks!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > - msmith1928

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 45, female, 5'3 " , 120 lbs, 1cm left adrenal nodule,

> > > > > > > > > aldosterone 42.3, renin 0.5, potassium <2.9 (when not taking

> > > > > > > > > supplements); 25mg spiro caused gynecomastia, no meds

currently

> > > > > > > > > except 20MEQ K 2x/day; low sodium, fructose- and grain-free

diet

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There is this study that was done a few years ago

Fat Cells Linked to Hypertension

By Reinberg, HealthDay Reporter

HealthDayNews -- A team of scientists working with human fat cells called

adipocytes has discovered a direct link between these cells and hormones known

to increase blood pressure.

" Fat cells secrete products that directly stimulate the release of aldosterone,

which is responsible for high blood pressure, " says lead researcher Monika

Ehrhart-Bornstein, from the German Diabetes Center at Heinrich Heine University

in Dusseldorf.

" It is known that high blood pressure is present with obesity, but the

connection between the two has remained unknown, " she adds.

It once was thought that fat tissue only stored lipids. However, new research

has found fat tissue also secretes hormones. And it is also known a malfunction

in the adrenal gland is linked to obesity. This malfunction leads to an

excessive release of aldosterone, a blood pressure-elevating steroid that causes

the kidneys to hold on to salt.

While this relationship was known, how fat itself contributed to high blood

pressure was not. Ehrhart-Bornstein and her colleagues studied whether hormones

secreted by fat cells affected the production of aldosterone from the adrenal

gland.

In experiments with human cells, her team found that when products secreted by

fat cells were combined with cells from the adrenal gland, these fat cell

products caused a sevenfold increase in aldosterone secretion.

These findings indicate that " fat cells are directly responsible for this

increase in blood pressure, " Ehrhart-Bornstein says. However, which specific

factors in fat cells causes this release of aldosterone is still not known, she

adds.

The new study appears in this week's issue of the Proceedings of the National

Academy of Sciences.

Ehrhart-Bornstein and her team are busy at work trying to identify which of

these previously unidentified fat cell secretions might be responsible.

Until these factors have been identified, there are no direct clinical

implications to the findings, she cautions. However, in the future it could lead

to new approaches for treating high blood pressure.

Dr. Theodore Goodfriend, a professor of medicine at the University of Wisconsin,

has a different theory on the relationship between fat tissue and high blood

pressure.

He says " people with visceral obesity -- that is abdominal obesity -- are more

likely than lean people and more likely than people with lower-body obesity to

have high blood pressure. "

He adds the link between abdominal fat and high blood pressure is mysterious.

" But I think it is the result of a 'factor' or chemical released from abdominal

fat that is further transformed by the liver. "

The factor stimulates the adrenal gland to make aldosterone, Goodfriend says.

" We have found an association of visceral obesity with elevated aldosterone in

some patients, " he adds.

" This factor is more often found in people with visceral fat, because that fat

drains to the liver directly, whereas other fat stores drain into the general

circulation, " Goodfriend notes.

He also points out that the authors of the new study " apparently feel they have

found a factor released by fat cells that does not have to be further

transformed by the liver. But they haven't identified their factor. "

Goodfriend advises that " clinicians could benefit from their and my research by

thinking of using aldosterone antagonists, such as spironolactone or eplerenone,

in hypertensive patients with upper body obesity. We have found those drugs very

useful in stubborn cases. "

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My doctor just called with the results of last

week's

> > > > > > > > > > aldosterone suppresion test/oral sodium loading test. As

> > > > > > > expected,

> > > > > > > > > > my aldo was off the charts high, both serum and urine. (I

can

> > > > > > > post

> > > > > > > > > > numbers when I have a hard copy in front of me, if anyone is

> > > > > > > > > > interested.) The interesting thing my doctor observed was

that

> > > > > > > I did

> > > > > > > > > > not excrete a lot of sodium - he believes it's because my

diet

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > very low sodium. (I believe it's still trapped in my body in

the

> > > > > > > > > > form of the extra 2 pounds I've been carrying around since

the

> > > > > > > test!)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This gives me the go-ahead for AVS, or,

> > > > > > > interestingly, he

> > > > > > > > > > said I could skip the AVS and have the adrenalectomy. I want

> > > > > > > to be

> > > > > > > > > > good and certain that the culprit is my left adrenal before

> > > > > > > surgery,

> > > > > > > > > > so I think I'm going through with the AVS first. I'm aware

of

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > high risk of inconclusive results, and the risks of the

> > > > > > > procedure in

> > > > > > > > > > general.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This brings up two questions: how common is it to

> > > > > > > skip the

> > > > > > > > > > AVS entirely? I only heard of that recently from another

member

> > > > > > > > > > here; I had been under the impression that standard protocol

> > > > > > > was AVS

> > > > > > > > > > before surgery.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And, long shot I know, but - anybody here have

their

> > > > > > > AVS

> > > > > > > > > > done at UCLA? Or anywhere in the greater Los Angeles area?

If

> > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > have an interventional radiologist in the area that you'd

> > > > > > > recommend,

> > > > > > > > > > please let me know. Thanks!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - msmith1928

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 45, female, 5'3 " , 120 lbs, 1cm left adrenal

nodule,

> > > > > > > > > > aldosterone 42.3, renin 0.5, potassium <2.9 (when not taking

> > > > > > > > > > supplements); 25mg spiro caused gynecomastia, no meds

currently

> > > > > > > > > > except 20MEQ K 2x/day; low sodium, fructose- and grain-free

diet

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Huh? Have I missed the link between the dangers of skipping AVS and some random

article on fat cells/high blood pressure? Or have you replied to the wrong post?

I'm of normal BMI if that's of any interest.....

H

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My doctor just called with the results of last

week's

> > > > > > > > > > > aldosterone suppresion test/oral sodium loading test. As

> > > > > > > > expected,

> > > > > > > > > > > my aldo was off the charts high, both serum and urine. (I

can

> > > > > > > > post

> > > > > > > > > > > numbers when I have a hard copy in front of me, if anyone

is

> > > > > > > > > > > interested.) The interesting thing my doctor observed was

that

> > > > > > > > I did

> > > > > > > > > > > not excrete a lot of sodium - he believes it's because my

diet

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > very low sodium. (I believe it's still trapped in my body

in the

> > > > > > > > > > > form of the extra 2 pounds I've been carrying around since

the

> > > > > > > > test!)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This gives me the go-ahead for AVS, or,

> > > > > > > > interestingly, he

> > > > > > > > > > > said I could skip the AVS and have the adrenalectomy. I

want

> > > > > > > > to be

> > > > > > > > > > > good and certain that the culprit is my left adrenal

before

> > > > > > > > surgery,

> > > > > > > > > > > so I think I'm going through with the AVS first. I'm aware

of

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > high risk of inconclusive results, and the risks of the

> > > > > > > > procedure in

> > > > > > > > > > > general.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This brings up two questions: how common is it

to

> > > > > > > > skip the

> > > > > > > > > > > AVS entirely? I only heard of that recently from another

member

> > > > > > > > > > > here; I had been under the impression that standard

protocol

> > > > > > > > was AVS

> > > > > > > > > > > before surgery.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And, long shot I know, but - anybody here have

their

> > > > > > > > AVS

> > > > > > > > > > > done at UCLA? Or anywhere in the greater Los Angeles area?

If

> > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > have an interventional radiologist in the area that you'd

> > > > > > > > recommend,

> > > > > > > > > > > please let me know. Thanks!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - msmith1928

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 45, female, 5'3 " , 120 lbs, 1cm left adrenal

nodule,

> > > > > > > > > > > aldosterone 42.3, renin 0.5, potassium <2.9 (when not

taking

> > > > > > > > > > > supplements); 25mg spiro caused gynecomastia, no meds

currently

> > > > > > > > > > > except 20MEQ K 2x/day; low sodium, fructose- and

grain-free diet

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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The link would be there are other reasons to have high ALDO.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My doctor just called with the results of last

week's

> > > > > > > > > > > > aldosterone suppresion test/oral sodium loading test. As

> > > > > > > > > expected,

> > > > > > > > > > > > my aldo was off the charts high, both serum and urine.

(I can

> > > > > > > > > post

> > > > > > > > > > > > numbers when I have a hard copy in front of me, if

anyone is

> > > > > > > > > > > > interested.) The interesting thing my doctor observed

was that

> > > > > > > > > I did

> > > > > > > > > > > > not excrete a lot of sodium - he believes it's because

my diet

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > very low sodium. (I believe it's still trapped in my

body in the

> > > > > > > > > > > > form of the extra 2 pounds I've been carrying around

since the

> > > > > > > > > test!)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This gives me the go-ahead for AVS, or,

> > > > > > > > > interestingly, he

> > > > > > > > > > > > said I could skip the AVS and have the adrenalectomy. I

want

> > > > > > > > > to be

> > > > > > > > > > > > good and certain that the culprit is my left adrenal

before

> > > > > > > > > surgery,

> > > > > > > > > > > > so I think I'm going through with the AVS first. I'm

aware of

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > high risk of inconclusive results, and the risks of the

> > > > > > > > > procedure in

> > > > > > > > > > > > general.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This brings up two questions: how common is it

to

> > > > > > > > > skip the

> > > > > > > > > > > > AVS entirely? I only heard of that recently from another

member

> > > > > > > > > > > > here; I had been under the impression that standard

protocol

> > > > > > > > > was AVS

> > > > > > > > > > > > before surgery.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And, long shot I know, but - anybody here have

their

> > > > > > > > > AVS

> > > > > > > > > > > > done at UCLA? Or anywhere in the greater Los Angeles

area? If

> > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > have an interventional radiologist in the area that

you'd

> > > > > > > > > recommend,

> > > > > > > > > > > > please let me know. Thanks!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - msmith1928

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 45, female, 5'3 " , 120 lbs, 1cm left adrenal

nodule,

> > > > > > > > > > > > aldosterone 42.3, renin 0.5, potassium <2.9 (when not

taking

> > > > > > > > > > > > supplements); 25mg spiro caused gynecomastia, no meds

currently

> > > > > > > > > > > > except 20MEQ K 2x/day; low sodium, fructose- and

grain-free diet

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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Right, but since this thread was a discussion of AVS, it doesn't really fit

here. This is a great example of when to start a new thread.

> >

> > Huh? Have I missed the link between the dangers of skipping AVS and some

random article on fat cells/high blood pressure? Or have you replied to the

wrong post? I'm of normal BMI if that's of any interest.....

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And unmeasurably low renin & low potassium & seriously high bp (with sudden

onset within the last 18 months), unresponsive to bp drugs & a 21mm mass on left

adrenal....?

Still leaning towards skipping AVS and just taking a punt on that mass being the

cause.

H

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My doctor just called with the results of

last week's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > aldosterone suppresion test/oral sodium loading test.

As

> > > > > > > > > > expected,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > my aldo was off the charts high, both serum and urine.

(I can

> > > > > > > > > > post

> > > > > > > > > > > > > numbers when I have a hard copy in front of me, if

anyone is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > interested.) The interesting thing my doctor observed

was that

> > > > > > > > > > I did

> > > > > > > > > > > > > not excrete a lot of sodium - he believes it's because

my diet

> > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > very low sodium. (I believe it's still trapped in my

body in the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > form of the extra 2 pounds I've been carrying around

since the

> > > > > > > > > > test!)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This gives me the go-ahead for AVS, or,

> > > > > > > > > > interestingly, he

> > > > > > > > > > > > > said I could skip the AVS and have the adrenalectomy.

I want

> > > > > > > > > > to be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > good and certain that the culprit is my left adrenal

before

> > > > > > > > > > surgery,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > so I think I'm going through with the AVS first. I'm

aware of

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > high risk of inconclusive results, and the risks of

the

> > > > > > > > > > procedure in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > general.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This brings up two questions: how common is

it to

> > > > > > > > > > skip the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > AVS entirely? I only heard of that recently from

another member

> > > > > > > > > > > > > here; I had been under the impression that standard

protocol

> > > > > > > > > > was AVS

> > > > > > > > > > > > > before surgery.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And, long shot I know, but - anybody here

have their

> > > > > > > > > > AVS

> > > > > > > > > > > > > done at UCLA? Or anywhere in the greater Los Angeles

area? If

> > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > have an interventional radiologist in the area that

you'd

> > > > > > > > > > recommend,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > please let me know. Thanks!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - msmith1928

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 45, female, 5'3 " , 120 lbs, 1cm left adrenal

nodule,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > aldosterone 42.3, renin 0.5, potassium <2.9 (when not

taking

> > > > > > > > > > > > > supplements); 25mg spiro caused gynecomastia, no meds

currently

> > > > > > > > > > > > > except 20MEQ K 2x/day; low sodium, fructose- and

grain-free diet

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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The reason to do AVS is to find out source of high ALDO.

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> > > Huh? Have I missed the link between the dangers of skipping AVS and some

random article on fat cells/high blood pressure? Or have you replied to the

wrong post? I'm of normal BMI if that's of any interest.....

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Yep. That's why I plan to have AVS.

> > > >

> > > > Huh? Have I missed the link between the dangers of skipping AVS and some

random article on fat cells/high blood pressure? Or have you replied to the

wrong post? I'm of normal BMI if that's of any interest.....

> >

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Especially if you are walking across the street to have an AVS! (that's a haha,

and the beat goes on!)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By the information in this link. Any one less

then 40 and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > tests show

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they have PA has CT done to see if there is a

tumor. If tumor

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > shows

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > automaticiy have it removed with out doing

AVS.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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Mine was an MRI, I presume better resolution than a CT? Not sure what PET is

beyond a plastic bottle.

I saw the previous post & accept there is a risk - just think it's minimal but

may regret that later.

H

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My doctor just called with the results

of last week's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aldosterone suppresion test/oral sodium loading

test. As

> > > > > > > > > > > > expected,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my aldo was off the charts high, both serum and

urine. (I can

> > > > > > > > > > > > post

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > numbers when I have a hard copy in front of me, if

anyone is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > interested.) The interesting thing my doctor

observed was that

> > > > > > > > > > > > I did

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not excrete a lot of sodium - he believes it's

because my diet

> > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very low sodium. (I believe it's still trapped in

my body in the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > form of the extra 2 pounds I've been carrying

around since the

> > > > > > > > > > > > test!)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This gives me the go-ahead for AVS, or,

> > > > > > > > > > > > interestingly, he

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said I could skip the AVS and have the

adrenalectomy. I want

> > > > > > > > > > > > to be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > good and certain that the culprit is my left

adrenal before

> > > > > > > > > > > > surgery,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so I think I'm going through with the AVS first.

I'm aware of

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > high risk of inconclusive results, and the risks

of the

> > > > > > > > > > > > procedure in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > general.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This brings up two questions: how common

is it to

> > > > > > > > > > > > skip the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AVS entirely? I only heard of that recently from

another member

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > here; I had been under the impression that

standard protocol

> > > > > > > > > > > > was AVS

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before surgery.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And, long shot I know, but - anybody

here have their

> > > > > > > > > > > > AVS

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > done at UCLA? Or anywhere in the greater Los

Angeles area? If

> > > > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have an interventional radiologist in the area

that you'd

> > > > > > > > > > > > recommend,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please let me know. Thanks!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - msmith1928

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 45, female, 5'3 " , 120 lbs, 1cm left

adrenal nodule,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aldosterone 42.3, renin 0.5, potassium <2.9 (when

not taking

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > supplements); 25mg spiro caused gynecomastia, no

meds currently

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > except 20MEQ K 2x/day; low sodium, fructose- and

grain-free diet

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > >

> > > > >

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Sorry but my job as a patient is to ask questions of any doctor - and you seem

to actively encourage that of any of us visiting our regular consultants.

Unfortunately as a newbie, I have no idea what your 40 years experience covers

(side suggestion - it might be useful to have profiles of all the experts that

contribute to this site somewhere - unless I've missed them in the morass of

files/links/database etc.).

So despite your wealth of experience, I still think it's not helpful to make a

generalised statement such as 'Yep and the chances of cure are much less than if

you have AVS done.' without some reference to where that data came from, who has

researched into it, that type of thing. Presumably all stuff that you know off

the top of your head as the expert in your field.

Hester

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hester, First, everyone has to make this decision

for

> > > > > > > > > > > themself. I recently explained on this site how I made my

> > > > > > > > decision.

> > > > > > > > > > > I even provided some of the sites I researched to come to

my

> > > > > > > > > > > conclusion. Rather than ask you to trust me, I suggest you

visit

> > > > > > > > > > > this site:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

http://www.endocrinesurgery.org/patient_education/adrenal/hyperaldosteronism_dia\

gnosis.shtml

> > > > > > > > > > > (it is easiest to go to page 2)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marie, you might do a quick review, Remember THE 40

YEAR

> > > > > > > > OLD

> > > > > > > > > > > TEST? I believe somebody was over 40! (I draw the

conclision

> > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > " us old farts " like to grow non-functioning adnomas just

keep

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > doctors employed! ;>)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good Luck, Keep us posted, we care

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

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Dr Grim's CURRICULUM VITAE used to be in the files but doesn't seem to be ther

now.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hester, First, everyone has to make this decision

for

> > > > > > > > > > > > themself. I recently explained on this site how I made

my

> > > > > > > > > decision.

> > > > > > > > > > > > I even provided some of the sites I researched to come

to my

> > > > > > > > > > > > conclusion. Rather than ask you to trust me, I suggest

you visit

> > > > > > > > > > > > this site:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

http://www.endocrinesurgery.org/patient_education/adrenal/hyperaldosteronism_dia\

gnosis.shtml

> > > > > > > > > > > > (it is easiest to go to page 2)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marie, you might do a quick review, Remember THE

40 YEAR

> > > > > > > > > OLD

> > > > > > > > > > > > TEST? I believe somebody was over 40! (I draw the

conclision

> > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > " us old farts " like to grow non-functioning adnomas just

keep

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > doctors employed! ;>)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good Luck, Keep us posted, we care

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> >

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There are some on here that only had the tumor removed so they still have both

glands. Believe there is one hospital in England where this is routinely done.

Belive someone posted this information.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hester, First, everyone has to make this decision

for

> > > > > > > > > > > > themself. I recently explained on this site how I made

my

> > > > > > > > > decision.

> > > > > > > > > > > > I even provided some of the sites I researched to come

to my

> > > > > > > > > > > > conclusion. Rather than ask you to trust me, I suggest

you visit

> > > > > > > > > > > > this site:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

http://www.endocrinesurgery.org/patient_education/adrenal/hyperaldosteronism_dia\

gnosis.shtml

> > > > > > > > > > > > (it is easiest to go to page 2)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marie, you might do a quick review, Remember THE

40 YEAR

> > > > > > > > > OLD

> > > > > > > > > > > > TEST? I believe somebody was over 40! (I draw the

conclision

> > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > " us old farts " like to grow non-functioning adnomas just

keep

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > doctors employed! ;>)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good Luck, Keep us posted, we care

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> >

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Can I assume from this that if you take the meds. route the Rx you get will be

the same 2.5 yrs. later? Over time do you have to make any adjustments? I

think I understand what the bare numbers are telling us but without delving into

what might have chaged over time they may just be bare numbers!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for that link. It does support the advice

I'm getting

> > >

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Since Meds are your treatment of choice, what has been your experience?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again, I want to make sure you know that I have

no ownership

> > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this decision so you do what you feel is best for

you. I only

> > > > > > > > > > > > hope I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can provide you some good unbiased information to

help you

> > > > > > > > > > > > with the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > process.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can tell you I had a few years writing

statistical

> > > > > > > > > > > > programs for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a large insurance company so I am pretty good at

figuring out

> > > > > > > > > > > > how to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " work the numbers " . The group that came up with

that chart I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > provided you apparently certify all the Endocrine

Surgeons of

> > > > > > > > > > > > North

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and South America as well as some international

countries,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > trustworthy I guess!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To the numbers: What is the distribution of

tumors, by age?

> > > > > > > > > > > > (Us

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > older individuals have more time to grow extra

parts!) I

> > > > > > > > > > > > personally

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > am beginning to think this is important enough

that I consider

> > > > > > > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > survey that can't or doesn't is ambigious at best!

I know one

> > > > > > > > > > > > of our

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > surveys asks age at first notification, it might

be fun to

> > > > > > > > > > > > check it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > out.

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About how many PT did you see at the VA? This would real good information on %

of possible PT with PA. Were you there as PCP or hypertension expert?

> > > > >

> > > > > My doctor just called with the results of last week's

> > aldosterone suppresion test/oral sodium loading test. As expected,

> > my aldo was off the charts high, both serum and urine. (I can post

> > numbers when I have a hard copy in front of me, if anyone is

> > interested.) The interesting thing my doctor observed was that I did

> > not excrete a lot of sodium - he believes it's because my diet is

> > very low sodium. (I believe it's still trapped in my body in the

> > form of the extra 2 pounds I've been carrying around since the test!)

> > > > >

> > > > > This gives me the go-ahead for AVS, or, interestingly, he said

> > I could skip the AVS and have the adrenalectomy. I want to be good

> > and certain that the culprit is my left adrenal before surgery, so I

> > think I'm going through with the AVS first. I'm aware of the high

> > risk of inconclusive results, and the risks of the procedure in

> > general.

> > > > >

> > > > > This brings up two questions: how common is it to skip the AVS

> > entirely? I only heard of that recently from another member here; I

> > had been under the impression that standard protocol was AVS before

> > surgery.

> > > > >

> > > > > And, long shot I know, but - anybody here have their AVS done

> > at UCLA? Or anywhere in the greater Los Angeles area? If you have an

> > interventional radiologist in the area that you'd recommend, please

> > let me know. Thanks!

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > - msmith1928

> > > > > 45, female, 5'3 " , 120 lbs, 1cm left adrenal nodule,

> > aldosterone 42.3, renin 0.5, potassium <2.9 (when not taking

> > supplements); 25mg spiro caused gynecomastia, no meds currently

> > except 20MEQ K 2x/day; low sodium, fructose- and grain-free diet

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

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How many out of the 200 had hypertension?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > My doctor just called with the results of last week's

> > > > aldosterone suppresion test/oral sodium loading test. As expected,

> > > > my aldo was off the charts high, both serum and urine. (I can post

> > > > numbers when I have a hard copy in front of me, if anyone is

> > > > interested.) The interesting thing my doctor observed was that I did

> > > > not excrete a lot of sodium - he believes it's because my diet is

> > > > very low sodium. (I believe it's still trapped in my body in the

> > > > form of the extra 2 pounds I've been carrying around since the test!)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > This gives me the go-ahead for AVS, or, interestingly, he said

> > > > I could skip the AVS and have the adrenalectomy. I want to be good

> > > > and certain that the culprit is my left adrenal before surgery, so I

> > > > think I'm going through with the AVS first. I'm aware of the high

> > > > risk of inconclusive results, and the risks of the procedure in

> > > > general.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > This brings up two questions: how common is it to skip the AVS

> > > > entirely? I only heard of that recently from another member here; I

> > > > had been under the impression that standard protocol was AVS before

> > > > surgery.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > And, long shot I know, but - anybody here have their AVS done

> > > > at UCLA? Or anywhere in the greater Los Angeles area? If you have an

> > > > interventional radiologist in the area that you'd recommend, please

> > > > let me know. Thanks!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > - msmith1928

> > > > > > > 45, female, 5'3 " , 120 lbs, 1cm left adrenal nodule,

> > > > aldosterone 42.3, renin 0.5, potassium <2.9 (when not taking

> > > > supplements); 25mg spiro caused gynecomastia, no meds currently

> > > > except 20MEQ K 2x/day; low sodium, fructose- and grain-free diet

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

>

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