Re: Billy Goat Tincture started

[Guest guest]

> I finally got around to tincturing the Goat hair that was so

thoughtfully sent to me. I mixed it with the alcohol (around 3%) tonight. So

far the alcohol has taken a very swampy, dirty water look. Not sure how long to

macerate it for but I'll see where it's at in about 2 weeks.

>

>

Hi

Do you mean you put about 3% of goat hair by weight in 97% of

alcohol by weight? That seems very light. Anyway, yes, it will

have a swampy, dirty water look. Shake the jar every day for two

or three weeks. Then let it settle about a week, and you can pour

or pipette the clear tincture off the top. I let the hair and

alcohol remain in the same jar, occasionally adding more hair and

alcohol. It's just the Simplers Method, but it works well for this.

Anya McCoy

http://AnyasGarden.com

http://PerfumeClasses.com

http://NaturalPerfumers.com

[Guest guest]

> Do you mean you put about 3% of goat hair by weight in 97% of

> alcohol by weight? That seems very light.

Hi Anya!

I measured the weight of the hair (about 8 grams) and added about 258 grams of

alcohol which makes is about a 3% tincture. I figured if it's too light I can

always filter and add new hair again. I was originally going to make it 20% but

once all the hair started expanding it felt like it was too little alcohol. I'm

wondering if I can upload a photo of the jar with the hair in it to see what you

all think. Is that possible?

[Guest guest]

>I measured the weight of the hair (about 8 grams) and added about 258 grams of

alcohol which makes is about a 3% tincture. I figured if it's too light I can

always filter and add new hair again. I was originally going to make it 20% but

once all the hair started expanding it felt like it was too little alcohol. I'm

wondering if I can upload a photo of the jar with the hair in it to see what you

all think. Is that possible?

Hi,

First, the 3% tincture you made by weighing 8g of the hair in 256g alcohol

doesn't really give a 3% solution. For a 3% tincture with 8g, you should add

exactly 232g of alcohol.

As for the reduction in volume of the alcohol in the tincture (the expanded

B.hair) which is to be expected, I suggest you make a lower strength tincture;

say 1%(1g in 100g alcohol). This would give a low strength tincture but the

concentration or strength can be improved when you incorporate another

B.hair(1g) in the tincture extract. This can be repeated until the desired

strength is attained.

Let us know how this helps

Regards,

Oloruntoba femi

Lagos, Nigeria

[Guest guest]

Please forgive my ignorance but I have a few questions about this.

1. What is the hopes of such a process? 2. Is the goal to actually dissolve the

actual hair? Or extract some excretion that happens to have been absorbed by the

hair?3. Does the hair have to come from a specific part of the billy goat?

If the process will not actually dissolve the hair itself, then the actual

weight of the hair is immaterial to the tincture. For sake of argument let's say

one tosses 10g of bg hair into 99g of ETOH. If after a while you filter out the

bg hair and you now have a solution of 100 g then you essentially have 1 g of

whatever it is you are intending to tincture. Leaving something more like a 1%

tincture.

This is not intended to be spoken in expertise, but actually a question in the

form of a statement of understanding.

[Guest guest]

If the process will not actually dissolve the hair itself, then the actual

weight of the hair is immaterial to the tincture. For sake of argument let's say

one tosses 10g of bg hair into 99g of ETOH. If after a while you filter out the

bg hair and you now have a solution of 100 g then you essentially have 1 g of

whatever it is you are intending to tincture. Leaving something more like a 1%

tincture.

Hi Bradley,

This is actually an excellent question as I was wondering the same thing. This

is my first time tincturing so any insight and help would be wonderful.

[Guest guest]

>

> Please forgive my ignorance but I have a few questions about this.

> 1. What is the hopes of such a process? 2. Is the goal to actually dissolve

the actual hair? Or extract some excretion that happens to have been absorbed by

the hair?3. Does the hair have to come from a specific part of the billy goat?

> If the process will not actually dissolve the hair itself, then the actual

weight of the hair is immaterial to the tincture. For sake of argument let's say

one tosses 10g of bg hair into 99g of ETOH. If after a while you filter out the

bg hair and you now have a solution of 100 g then you essentially have 1 g of

whatever it is you are intending to tincture. Leaving something more like a 1%

tincture.

> This is not intended to be spoken in expertise, but actually a question in the

form of a statement of understanding.

>

Hi Bradley:

Before we all get our goat hair in a knot due to all the weights

and measures ;-) let's all take a deep breath. Not too deep of

the goat hair, mind you, that'll give you a nose full of funk

that you'll find hard to forget!

Since I'm the first person to use goat hair tincture in a

perfume, I speak from experience. Just plop the hair in a glass

jar, cover with alcohol, cover with a tight lid, let steep.

That's it. The schmutzy cloudy murk will clear over time. Shake

the jar occasionally. Maybe add a tad more alcohol if the mix

seems too strong.

That's all.

No hair will dissolve. So what if the hair absorbs some alcohol?

Clip hair from the head of a rutting billy goat in the Fall for a

goat cheese/musk scent, from the rear end of the goat for a more

musky scent. To avoid the goat kicking, perhaps just wipe the

hindquarters with a cotton rag soaked in alcohol, with a small

buck of alcohol held below the business.

Don't filter out the hair.

Relax, this isn't rocket science, or anything like it :-P

Anya McCoy

http://AnyasGarden.com

http://PerfumeClasses.com

http://NaturalPerfumers.com

[Guest guest]

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To: NaturalPerfumery

Sent: Tue, January 11, 2011 10:32:32 AM

Subject: Re: Goat Tincture started

 

First, the 3% tincture you made by weighing 8g of the hair in 256g alcohol

doesn't really give a 3% solution. For a 3% tincture with 8g, you should add

exactly 232g of alcohol.

Incorrect.

To find the correct ratio you have to do some simple math:

3/100=8/x

x=8x100/3

x=266.66~267 (266.66 rounded up to 267)

The original post is correct!

Maggie

Hi all,

Can you stand one more math opinion?

8 g /3% = 267 g (267 grams is 100% or the total weight)

267g - 8g = 259g alcohol

Proof

267g * 3% = 8g

Jane

[Guest guest]

Hi all,

> Can you stand one more math opinion?

> 8 g /3% = 267 g (267 grams is 100% or the total weight)

> 267g - 8g = 259g alcohol

> Proof

> 267g * 3% = 8g

> Jane

Great! Thanks for all the help. I guess I did do it right to begin with. So

my Goat tincture is at 3% while my Vanilla Bean tincture is 12.5%.

[Guest guest]

to me this math seems correct, but may I ask why would this be considered a 3

percent tincture weight/weight, if only a small portion of what is on the goat

hair actually dissolves?

i have never worked with goat hair, how much oil, or material is in the hair

that goes into solution?

[Guest guest]

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To: NaturalPerfumery

Sent: Wed, January 12, 2011 9:24:17 AM

Subject: Re: Goat Tincture started

 

to me this math seems correct, but may I ask why would this be considered a 3

percent tincture weight/weight, if only a small portion of what is on the goat

hair actually dissolves?

i have never worked with goat hair, how much oil, or material is in the hair

that goes into solution?

Good point Luigi.  In this case estimating a 3% tincture is as close as you are

going to get.  The amount of secretions on/in the hair is an unknown.  To

measure the exact tincture may require one to be in the area of rocket science

.....lol

Jane

[Guest guest]

Unless you remove the hair and weigh the results you will not be able to know

how much material was dissolved into the alcohol. I am pretty certain that as a

tincture, it would be hard to actually give it a true (accurate) percentage.

However, if you are doing this, and you do it the same way each time, with the

same amount of hair, from the same part of the goat, in the same amount of

alcohol, for the same period of time, you should have a reasonably consistent

result. If you use that by ear (or nose, as it were ) your adjustments will be

determined by your results.

The problem with any natural product is always that nature does whatever it

wants to. Depending on the season, the diet of the animal, the amount of rain,

and so many other factors, any plant or animal material from batch to batch will

invariably be just a bit different from the last.

This is not to denigrate Natural Perfumery, but to clarify that slight

variations, like the imperfections in wood grain in a piece of furniture, add

character. Perhaps even depth or some other spiritual quality. Those nuances are

one of the things I see that tend to polarize certain people on one side of the

other about natural vs 'those other methods.'

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Strive for excellence, not perfection.

-- B

[Guest guest]

> Good point Luigi.  In this case estimating a 3% tincture is as close as you

are

> going to get.  The amount of secretions on/in the hair is an unknown.  To

> measure the exact tincture may require one to be in the area of rocket science

> ....lol

> Jane

>

[Guest guest]

However, if you are doing this, and you do it the same way each time, with the

same amount of hair, from the same part of the goat, in the same amount of

alcohol, for the same period of time, you should have a reasonably consistent

result.

This is correct. When I set forth creating this tincture I was actually

measuring 3% based on material to alcohol. I consider it a 3% tincture because

I used 3% of the raw material to alcohol. I really don't know how much extract

will actually be in the alcohol after filtering. The same goes for the vanilla

and any other sold material that doesn't actually dissolve in the alcohol. If

the strength of the " 3% " tincture is what I was looking for then that is the

measurement that goes into my book. Each time I make the tincture I will use 3%

raw material to 97% alcohol to achieve a similar, if not exact, tincture.