Guest guest Posted January 6, 2011 Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 > > Felicia, > Maybe this will help. First of all what do you mean by 'pre-prepared accords? One that you have made? The accord you mentioned mixing to be based on a carnation note is not a top, midde, or base accord it is all three. Pepper is a top note, vanilla is bottom and rose and most florals are mid notes. The way I have learned this, and I am relatively new at this, is that you make your base accord, then drop by drop put in your middle notes and carefully put in the top notes based on a creation you have imagined like maybe a carnation note? I don't know how to do that because carnation has a very green smell to me. It isn't a strong floral but I am sure someone else in this group could jump in here to help you further. There are a lot of files here in this database to read and they have helped me a great deal. Learning what all the smells of each oil is quite helpful and then you can learn how they blend together a little at a time. Or you can use the scent strips to see if things go together. Hope this helps you, > Good luck, > Stefanie > I understand the general method for making perfumes... I'm talking about using an accord, that you make yourself and that you then add, drop by drop, to a blend, as you would a single essence. This is something typically done with amber, but you can also do it with something like a carnation accord, or a fruit accord or what have you. I read somewhere that some perfumers don't like to use pre- blended accords across more than one perfume like that, it's limiting maybe, I'm not sure why. Anyways... Thanks for trying! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2011 Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 > > > I understand the general method for making perfumes... > > I'm talking about using an accord, that you make yourself and that you > then add, drop by drop, to a blend, as you would a single essence. > This is something typically done with amber, but you can also do it > with something like a carnation accord, or a fruit accord or what have > you. > > I read somewhere that some perfumers don't like to use pre- blended > accords across more than one perfume like that, it's limiting maybe, > I'm not sure why. Anyways... > There are many different ways to approach blending and pre-blending accords is one of them. The problem with this is that they will change when you combine different accords as all the different ingredients interact with each and you cannot predict the outcome. I use both accords and step by step approaches... but have also in the past had to strip a complete perfume back to it's ingredients and re-assemble it one by one to work out which ingredients were clashing and creating a note I didn'ty want. I blogged a bit about this last year: http://perfumebynature.blogspot.com/2010/07/thoughts-on-natural-perfume-design.h\ tml Ambrosia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 > > There are many different ways to approach blending and pre-blending > accords is one of them. > The problem with this is that they will change when you combine > different accords as all the different ingredients interact with each > and you cannot predict the outcome. > > I use both accords and step by step approaches... > but have also in the past had to strip a complete perfume back to it's > ingredients and re-assemble it one by one to work out which ingredients > were clashing and creating a note I didn'ty want. > I blogged a bit about this last year: > > http://perfumebynature.blogspot.com/2010/07/thoughts-on-natural-perfume-design.h\ tml > > Ambrosia Ah, thanks Ambrosia, that really helps! Felicia > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2011 Report Share Posted January 14, 2011 One useful aspect of making accords is that you can balance fewer ingredients in each accord (top, middle, base) and, subsequently, balance the accords together more easily in the total formula. I use accords when I have a problem isolating which notes should dominate or if I lose notes (especially top notes) after they interact with all the others. For example, make each accord (top, middle, base) to your liking before you add them together, and you will probably like the final fragrance better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2012 Report Share Posted January 13, 2012 > > One useful aspect of making accords is that you can balance fewer ingredients in each accord (top, middle, base) and, subsequently, balance the accords together more easily in the total formula. I use accords when I have a problem isolating which notes should dominate or if I lose notes (especially top notes) after they interact with all the others. For example, make each accord (top, middle, base) to your liking before you add them together, and you will probably like the final fragrance better. > I was playing around tonight trying to make a blueberry accord. So far there is a harsh opening I haven't been able to get rid of (on the one I like best so far), but it goes nice on the skin after and smells like blueberries for a bit before fading down to vaguely fruity sweetness. Does anyone have any recommendations? The main toys I have been using for the diffrent trials that seem to be working are: Davana, Cape Chamomile, Blue tansy, Mimosa, a touch of black currant, a very very small amount of golden champa, and a bit of a light sugary feeling vanilla I have. I don't have a ton of resources yet, and am planning on trying the accord out with different things once I get it more reliable. Also, how long does something like that have to age on its own to know how reliable it will be? Or is that impossible to know until its blended? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2012 Report Share Posted January 14, 2012 > > I was playing around tonight trying to make a blueberry accord. So far there is a harsh opening I haven't been able to get rid of (on the one I like best so far), but it goes nice on the skin after and smells like blueberries for a bit before fading down to vaguely fruity sweetness. > > Does anyone have any recommendations? > The main toys I have been using for the diffrent trials that seem to be working are: Davana, Cape Chamomile, Blue tansy, Mimosa, a touch of black currant, a very very small amount of golden champa, and a bit of a light sugary feeling vanilla I have. -------------------------------------------------------- Hi There - The first additions that came to my mind were a touch of Litsea Cubeba and Jasmine sambac....Western Red Cedar (Thuja plicata also does a nice job of masking harsh front notes...just a tiny trace though (so its not perceptable as cedar.) Jess Ring Portland OR USA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2012 Report Share Posted January 14, 2012 > > > > > > I was playing around tonight trying to make a blueberry accord. So far there is a harsh opening I haven't been able to get rid of (on the one I like best so far), but it goes nice on the skin after and smells like blueberries for a bit before fading down to vaguely fruity sweetness. > > > > Does anyone have any recommendations? > > The main toys I have been using for the diffrent trials that seem to be working are: Davana, Cape Chamomile, Blue tansy, Mimosa, a touch of black currant, a very very small amount of golden champa, and a bit of a light sugary feeling vanilla I have. > -------------------------------------------------------- > > Hi There - The first additions that came to my mind were a touch of Litsea Cubeba and Jasmine sambac....Western Red Cedar (Thuja plicata also does a nice job of masking harsh front notes...just a tiny trace though (so its not perceptable as cedar.) > Jess Ring > Portland OR USA > Ooo thank you for the ideas! I have sambac (and will try that out tonight) but don't have either of the other two. Do you have any sources (especially for the cedar) that you recommend in particular? One thing I've been really surprised by thus far into my short hobby is just how different the same oil can smell from a different source! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2012 Report Share Posted January 14, 2012 > > > > > > I was playing around tonight trying to make a blueberry accord. So far there is a harsh opening I haven't been able to get rid of (on the one I like best so far), but it goes nice on the skin after and smells like blueberries for a bit before fading down to vaguely fruity sweetness. > > > > Does anyone have any recommendations? > > The main toys I have been using for the diffrent trials that seem to be working are: Davana, Cape Chamomile, Blue tansy, Mimosa, a touch of black currant, a very very small amount of golden champa, and a bit of a light sugary feeling vanilla I have. > -------------------------------------------------------- > > Hi There - The first additions that came to my mind were a touch of Litsea Cubeba and Jasmine sambac....Western Red Cedar (Thuja plicata also does a nice job of masking harsh front notes...just a tiny trace though (so its not perceptable as cedar.) > Jess Ring > Portland OR USA > Hello, I don't know your mix quantity, but if you isolated 3mls - I'd try mixing 2 drops Palmarosa, 3 drops Benzoin with 3 drops Petitgrain, and let that sit quietly for a week or two, then blend slowly and carefully in with your mix. Just a hunch... might do the trick. regards Teone http://www.teone.com.au Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2012 Report Share Posted January 14, 2012 > Hello again, Just a second thought... Root. Teone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2012 Report Share Posted January 15, 2012 Hey teone, just browsing your website! LOVE the embrossed brass tins younhave for your solid perfumes!! Where did youmfind them? Have been searching for something like that for ages!!! Website: http://www.perfumebynature.com.au Blog: http://perfumebynature.blogspot.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2012 Report Share Posted January 15, 2012 > > Hey teone, just browsing your website! LOVE the embrossed brass tins younhave for your solid perfumes!! Where did youmfind them? Have been searching for something like that for ages!!! > > Website: http://www.perfumebynature.com.au > > Blog: http://perfumebynature.blogspot.com > Hi Ambrosia, I bought them from an Indian Import company called Padma, they're here in Brisbane, (Australia) and they sell groovy Indian clothes and masala incense and carved knick knacks and bells and Tibetan singing bowls and carved wooden furnishings and heaven knows what else... I had a shop called OM (set in a little village deep in the rainforest on top of a beautiful mountain, it was really scenic and touristy), and so I have been a wholesale buyer with them for about 12 years. They don't do international orders unfortunately and they don't even have a website. Also, I bought all of the brass box stock that they had, and it's all filled with perfumes now, but when they get some more stock in I'll let you know and maybe I can buy some for you and post it to you. I'm not totally happy with them, they are hinged and they tilt backwards when I'm filling them with hot wax so they can be a little fidgety to get the solid perfume to set flat. They do look nice though. I'll keep my eye out for you next time I'm at Padma. cheers Teone http://coconutdurden.wordpress.com http://www.teone.com.au/five-nectars Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2012 Report Share Posted January 15, 2012 > > Hey teone, just browsing your website! LOVE the embrossed brass tins younhave for your solid perfumes!! Where did youmfind them? Have been searching for something like that for ages!!! > > Website: http://www.perfumebynature.com.au > > Blog: http://perfumebynature.blogspot.com > Hi Ambrosia, I bought them from an Indian Import company called Padma, they're here in Brisbane, (Australia) and they sell groovy Indian clothes and masala incense and carved knick knacks and bells and Tibetan singing bowls and carved wooden furnishings and heaven knows what else... I had a shop called OM (set in a little village deep in the rainforest on top of a beautiful mountain, it was really scenic and touristy), and so I have been a wholesale buyer with them for about 12 years. They don't do international orders unfortunately and they don't even have a website. Also, I bought all of the brass box stock that they had, and it's all filled with perfumes now, but when they get some more stock in I'll let you know and maybe I can buy some for you and post it to you. I'm not totally happy with them, they are hinged and they tilt backwards when I'm filling them with hot wax so they can be a little fidgety to get the solid perfume to set flat. They do look nice though. I'll keep my eye out for you next time I'm at Padma. cheers Teone http://coconutdurden.wordpress.com http://www.teone.com.au/five-nectars PS I just had a quick look at your website and realise that you're also in Oz, so I can easily send you some when they restock. Funny thing is I noticed straightaway your Pan perfume, because I'm rereading Jitterbug... I read it many years ago and recently picked it up again. Life's a funny thing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2012 Report Share Posted January 15, 2012 > > I was playing around tonight trying to make a blueberry accord. So far there is a harsh opening I haven't been able to get rid of (on the one I like best so far), but it goes nice on the skin after and smells like blueberries for a bit before fading down to vaguely fruity sweetness. > > Does anyone have any recommendations? Try adding a touch of sandalwood and a bit of jasmine (not too much, you don't want it to turn " powdery " ) to the vanilla to give it a warm, almost " brown sugar " nuance. Maybe even a bit of balsam Peru... Also, aging the blend a few weeks usually helps mellow out any harsh notes. Cat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2012 Report Share Posted January 15, 2012 > Hey teone, just browsing your website! LOVE the embrossed brass tins younhave for your solid perfumes!! Where did youmfind them? Have been searching for something like that for ages!!! Be careful using brass containers to hold your perfumes. The copper in the alloy often oxidizes over time and can give the perfumes a greenish or black tint around the edges where it comes into contact with the metal. Cat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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