Guest guest Posted September 8, 2011 Report Share Posted September 8, 2011 namaste! my nose HAS kinda been on vacation. i have been dabbling in the evil world of incense. *giggle* my suggestion is muhuhu. kinda sandalwoody... kinda not. remember, it's just a suggestion. much light, einsof Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2011 Report Share Posted September 8, 2011  I have noticed that posting activity is very low in the group lately. Is everyone's olfactory senses on vacation I wonder? I'm gonna through this question anyway and hope: What oil comes to mind when you hear " dry wood " ? I am looking for a dry and smooth,not connifer like, woody note and cedarwood texas or virginia doesn't quite deliver -too oily. Any suggestions? PS: While at it why not share impressions of woody notes in general? I would love to hear your personal experiences WOW! Texas and Virginia cedars aren't dry enough for you!? To me they are uber dry! In fact those are the first oils that came to mind when I read your question at first. I would also suggest amyris or muhuhu(god I love that word!).  Agarwood sometimes smells really dry to me and other times like wet wood.  Australian sandalwood has a pretty dry and sharp woodiness to it I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2011 Report Share Posted September 8, 2011 To: NaturalPerfumery Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2011 12:20 AM Subject: " In wood we trust "  What oil comes to mind when you hear " dry wood " ?  The dryout of the Vanuatu Sandalwood has a seasoned wood aroma. It reminds me of the smell of splitting wood (for the fire).....but it also has a sweet aroma. Jane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2011 Report Share Posted September 8, 2011 Â namaste! my nose HAS kinda been on vacation. i have been dabbling in the evil world of incense. *giggle* my suggestion is muhuhu. kinda sandalwoody... kinda not. remember, it's just a suggestion. much light, einsof Incense is such a lovely evil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2011 Report Share Posted September 8, 2011 Fir absolute.....green in color but sweet wood at heart. Katlyn Breene Mermade Magickal Arts (since 1984) katmermade@... http://www.mermadearts.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2011 Report Share Posted September 9, 2011 muhuhu sounds like an evil laughter! A sound fit for goblins. It sounds very interesting but is hard to get. I've only found it on white lotus. Palo santo also sounds very interesting and incensy (which I LOVE) but is quite expensive and also quite rare. I live in europe and many of the sellers from US charge 40$ for shipping for even very small orders. I have tried some of the EU suppliers but unfortunately offer very small range and often of poor quality. It's ok if you want some of the cheaper common oils but more expensive ones are a risky buys. I'm afraid natural perfumery turns out to be an american dream when you are not a company that can afford big orders. If there is any other member based in EU I would love to hear where they get their supplies from. What I am currently looking for is a incense-cedarwood co-distillation but had no luck so far FOR THE LOVE O PINOCCHIO HELP!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2011 Report Share Posted September 9, 2011 btw, I thought Fir absolute is sweet, balsamic, fruity. Not dry woody Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2011 Report Share Posted September 9, 2011  btw, I thought Fir absolute is sweet, balsamic, fruity. Not dry woody I agree, mostly, although the one I have has a warm, pungent, herbal undertone to it. In any case it definitely smells more coniferous than woody. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2011 Report Share Posted September 9, 2011 ________________________________  muhuhu sounds like an evil laughter! A sound fit for goblins. It sounds very interesting but is hard to get. I've only found it on white lotus. Yes! It does sound like evil laughter! And I loved that you mentioned goblins! (Have you noticed my email adress?). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2011 Report Share Posted September 10, 2011 Yes! It does sound like evil laughter! And I loved that you mentioned goblins! (Have you noticed my email adress?). -------------------- Hadn't noticed B. Don't you love coincidence??? (Muhuhuhuuuuu) I have recently been experimenting with cabrueva. Most suppliers describe it as woody-floral-light-green. I'm afraid my experience doesn't fit the bill. What I get is woody-pencil-smoke-fat. As the drydown proceeds the fatty smoke (barbequed pork on pencil) becomes prominent. That's what I get when I sniff the bottle and on skin and strip in no matter what dilution I've tried. Quite dry and close to the skin. I think it can infiltrate most of my blends unnoticed provided there are more potent base notes there. A secret agent indeed. Allegedly it has fixative properties but I can't attest to it yet. Seems to me that most wood oils give me a fatty (unhealthy food) impression which is not true to the original material. I wonder if it has to do with my suppliers. hmmm I trully love the scent of wood and have not found any fragrance that is a satisfying interpretation of it. PENCIL KEBABS ARE ON THE HOUSE! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2011 Report Share Posted September 10, 2011 Hey I've purchased frankincense co distillation of White cedar abs from White lotus. Very happy with my purchase. It's a good balance of the two materials. All the best Rich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2011 Report Share Posted September 10, 2011 ________________________________ -------------------- Hadn't noticed B. Don't you love coincidence??? (Muhuhuhuuuuu) I even have a goblin(and leprecaun) tattoo! I attached a photo of it. I have recently been experimenting with cabrueva. Most suppliers describe it as woody-floral-light-green. I'm afraid my experience doesn't fit the bill. What I get is woody-pencil-smoke-fat. As the drydown proceeds the fatty smoke (barbequed pork on pencil) becomes prominent. That's what I get when I sniff the bottle and on skin and strip in no matter what dilution I've tried. Quite dry and close to the skin. I think it can infiltrate most of my blends unnoticed provided there are more potent base notes there. A secret agent indeed. Allegedly it has fixative properties but I can't attest to it yet. Seems to me that most wood oils give me a fatty (unhealthy food) impression which is not true to the original material. I wonder if it has to do with my suppliers. hmmm I trully love the scent of wood and have not found any fragrance that is a satisfying interpretation of it. PENCIL KEBABS ARE ON THE HOUSE! Your description of cabrueva sounds really gross! Especially since I hate pork!  Where are you getting your stuff from?  My cabreuva pretty much smells like how it's usually described, but I've always thought it was more fresh/watery, but lately when I sniff it I am getting more woodiness.  I also think it is more of a top note, it's not very tenacious. The only wood oils that I have that I would describe as " fatty " would be massoia and guaiacwood.   So do you have in mind a sort of " fresh cut wood "  sort of odor? Like sawdust? To me most wood oils have a characteristic odor, something completely distinct to themselves, like cedarwood has it's own kind of odor, sandalwood has its scent, etc. I actually really like the wood oils I have. I too am a lover of woody scents, I think, maybe my favorite scent family, with spices up there too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2011 Report Share Posted September 10, 2011 > > I have noticed that posting activity is very low in the group lately. Is everyone's olfactory senses on vacation I wonder? > I'm gonna through this question anyway and hope: What oil comes to mind when you hear " dry wood " ? I am looking for a dry and smooth,not connifer like, woody note and cedarwood texas or virginia doesn't quite deliver -too oily. Any suggestions? > > PS: While at it why not share impressions of woody notes in general? I would love to hear your personal experiences > I have a new favorite wood which is black hemlock absolute. Actuallly I should look on White Lotus' website to see if in fact it is from the wood or the leaves. I added in in very small amounts to a sandalwood, cedarmoss, labdanum, vanilla base achord which I have been working on for awhile now and I think the hemlock covers over the cedarmoss but that's o.k. It must account for something ( that is also in very small amounts). But it rounded out the base, and sweetened it in a yummy way without it jumping out to say SPRUCE!) It works kind of like a wee bit of cocoa abs do which I use sometimes in an amber base...it adds some of that " ooh, what is that smell??? kind of thing. unless someone like my friend's son who sniffs beer for a living picked it out right away!! Not exactly what kind of foresty smell. But everyone else in the room couldn't really smell it as green. So that's the kind of experience I am having with it. And I dare not put another drop in for fear of blowing a good amount of base..i'm learning...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2011 Report Share Posted September 10, 2011 > > Hey I've purchased frankincense co distillation of White cedar abs from White lotus. Very happy with my purchase. It's a good balance of the two materials. > > All the best > > Rich > Hi Rich, I just ordered that and am glad to hear you like it. If you haven't yet tried from liberty naturals their cedarmoss absolute it is beautiful. It comes really black and thick so it has to be blended in alcohol..but it is a sweeter version of cedarwood eo although I have never smelled cedarwood absolute!! Maybe you could mention what you use it with? Best, Stefanie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2011 Report Share Posted September 10, 2011 hi stefanie, maybe you know, this but cedarmoss absolute is not cedarwood it is an solvent extracted resin from a lichen / moss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2011 Report Share Posted September 10, 2011 To: NaturalPerfumery Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2011 6:36 PM Subject: Re: " In wood we trust "  Hi Rich, I just ordered that and am glad to hear you like it. If you haven't yet tried from liberty naturals their cedarmoss absolute it is beautiful. It comes really black and thick so it has to be blended in alcohol..but it is a sweeter version of cedarwood eo although I have never smelled cedarwood absolute!! Maybe you could mention what you use it with? Best, Stefanie  I would have to agree about the cedarmoss. I too have that absolute. It is really lovely. I think its like oakmoss, but from cedar trees instead of oak trees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2011 Report Share Posted September 11, 2011 Hi Rich, I just ordered that and am glad to hear you like it. If you haven't yet tried from liberty naturals their cedarmoss absolute it is beautiful. It comes really black and thick so it has to be blended in alcohol..but it is a sweeter version of cedarwood eo although I have never smelled cedarwood absolute!! Maybe you could mention what you use it with? Best, Stefanie Hi Stefanie, I haven't posted in such a long time but I've been saving up my questions.. So soon they come. I have used cedar wood / frankincense in a few blends but the most successful so far included Patchouli abs (sweet fragrance) Sandalwood (Australian high grade) Rose bourbonia Tuberose Mimosa Mango melange White & pink lotus & frankincense cedarwood abs. Hay and mango have a interesting relationship and with Cedar/frankincense giving a lift to the light sweetness of hay with a fruity note on a soft rose heart. Turned out as a very nice fragrance which lasted for hours on the skin, but to be fair I need to purchase some natural perfumes from you guys to see what can be done. Would love to send some samples to get an opinion. Happy blending Rich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2011 Report Share Posted September 11, 2011 > > Hey I've purchased frankincense co distillation of White cedar abs from White lotus. Very happy with my purchase. It's a good balance of the two materials. > > All the best > > Rich > I have their frankincense/Virginia cedar co-extraction and absolutely love it. It's really more than just the 2 parts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2011 Report Share Posted September 11, 2011 @ Well, the smell of wood I like and try to recreate as a base is the smell of living heartwood: fresh and dry at the same time, green with sap and mildy resinous. Not heavy, not overly aromatic nor pencil like, slightly terpenic-bitter and a tiny bit lactonic. Dry and aqueous at the same time, sort of astringent and transparent, faintly reminiscent of fresh leaves. I realize that such a complex smell can only be constructed as a base but I am looking for a base note that can be used as the main body of the composition. Something that can be twisted and smoothed, even embellished with other materials in order to achieve my goal. As if this is not complicated enough, tenacity is an issue too. The cabrueva I have is from newdirections.co.uk @Stefaniek Is cedarmoss " cleaner " smelling than oakmoss? I haven't experienced black hemlock but sounds very interesting. Is it different than fir balsam abs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2011 Report Share Posted September 11, 2011 > > hi stefanie, > > maybe you know, this but cedarmoss absolute is not cedarwood > it is an solvent extracted resin from a lichen / moss > yes I know that about the lichen/moss, my question in the post I wrote about working with the black hemlock absolute is what part of the tree is used from the hemlock tree, wood or leaves? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2011 Report Share Posted September 11, 2011 > hi stefanie, > > maybe you know, this but cedarmoss absolute is not cedarwood > it is an solvent extracted resin from a lichen / moss I just posted this on Elise's blog about cedarwoods: I have a question about cedarMOSS, and I'm going to follow up on that, as it was brought up in the group that it's a mossy/lichen natural element. About forty years ago, in Berkeley, I came across an oil called " Alpine lichen " . There were two definite oil layers in the bottle. I suppose the specific gravity of one of the lichen/moss elements was higher than the other. That scent haunts me to this day. There was a touch of spearmint (!) and a smooth, creamy woody base. I know lichens are a symbiotic relationship between a fungus and an alga or a cyanobacterium, and I'm posting this here in hopes that someone who visits your blog knows of this particular lichen. Not even sure it's on a cedar tree, probably not. Now I have to go get some of that cedar moss, which was described as a lichen/moss and check it out! Anya McCoy http://AnyasGarden.com http://PerfumeClasses.com http://NaturalPerfumers.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2011 Report Share Posted September 11, 2011 > I just posted this on Elise's blog about cedarwoods: > > I have a question about cedarMOSS, and I'm going to follow up on > that, as it was brought up in the group that it's a mossy/lichen > natural element. About forty years ago, in Berkeley, I came > across an oil called " Alpine lichen " . There were two definite > oil layers in the bottle. I suppose the specific gravity of one > of the lichen/moss elements was higher than the other. That > scent haunts me to this day. There was a touch of spearmint (!) > and a smooth, creamy woody base. I know lichens are a symbiotic > relationship between a fungus and an alga or a cyanobacterium, > and I'm posting this here in hopes that someone who visits your > blog knows of this particular lichen. Not even sure it's on a > cedar tree, probably not. Now I have to go get some of that > cedar moss, which was described as a lichen/moss and check it out! > > > Anya McCoy OOH, that sounds lovely..I know that the cedarmoss is lichen and shouldn't have related it to the topic of woods. Much sweeter than the oakmoss lichen and it is not costly. I love them both. I've been learning through experiments how lovely some of these wood absolutes ( as in the black and blue hemlock abs. that whitelotus carries ) can be used in small amounts to deepen and make richer the bases I am making. I have been so thrilled by this new discovery!! I hope you like the cedarmoss. Stefanie > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2011 Report Share Posted September 11, 2011 > > @ > > Well, the smell of wood I like and try to recreate as a base is the smell of living heartwood: fresh and dry at the same time, green with sap and mildy resinous. Not heavy, not overly aromatic nor pencil like, slightly terpenic-bitter and a tiny bit lactonic. Dry and aqueous at the same time, sort of astringent and transparent, faintly reminiscent of fresh leaves. I realize that such a complex smell can only be constructed as a base but I am looking for a base note that can be used as the main body of the composition. Something that can be twisted and smoothed, even embellished with other materials in order to achieve my goal. As if this is not complicated enough, tenacity is an issue too. Yes, maybe you could mix several woods to come up with this kind of odor profile. I would definitely include amyris, Virginia or Texas cedar, and perhaps agarwood. Agarwood is not only expensive, but really varies in odor. I really love the CO2 from Eden, it smells both dry and " wet " at the same time. I got some co-distilled with Cyperus from White Lotus and I didn't care for it. I really like cyperus(aka nagarmotha, which sounds like some creature Godzilla would do battle with), at first to me it smelled almost identical to vetiver(which is an absolute love of mine), but now when I smell it it smells to me like a mixture of vetiver and spikenard. So I thought I would love that combination. What I got was really funky, animalic, leathery, with a faint nuance of valerian. Now, if I didn't already have a bunch of animalic and leathery essences already I probably could have overlooked this and used it somehow, but it was not what I was looking for. I really wanted that uber earthy/woody odor of the CO2 from Eden. So I sent it back. Now Eden's agarwood is out of stock, and who knows, maybe the next batch they get will not smell the same. > > The cabrueva I have is from newdirections.co.uk Mine is from White Lotus Aromatics. > > > > > > @Stefaniek > > Is cedarmoss " cleaner " smelling than oakmoss? > I haven't experienced black hemlock but sounds very interesting. Is it different than fir balsam abs? Yes, it is. Its a bit drier. " MUHUHUhuhuhuhu " > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2011 Report Share Posted September 11, 2011 It isn't a wood, it's from the needles of the tree! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2011 Report Share Posted September 11, 2011 > > > > hi stefanie, > > > > maybe you know, this but cedarmoss absolute is not cedarwood > > it is an solvent extracted resin from a lichen / moss > > > yes I know that about the lichen/moss, my question in the post I wrote about working with the black hemlock absolute is what part of the tree is used from the hemlock tree, wood or leaves? > forgot that, sorry, it is suppose to be from the needles and small twigs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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