Guest guest Posted March 4, 2011 Report Share Posted March 4, 2011 Stolen? You mean " going-to-jail " stolen? What makes some CEOs do so well is government interference. If government would lay down basic rules of fair play and then get out of it, those companies would have to compete. You'd see how lean they could get, and how costs to consumers would fall. As it is, health insurance companies are heavily protected. Why do you supposed they were so supportive of Obamacare? Val From: hyperaldosteronism [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Natalia Kamneva I trust Warren Buffet who said that he pays taxes in percentage less than his secretary who gets $60,000 annually. It's not a flat rate. And Val, of course, I am not entitled to what you earned. But the salary of $52,000 an hour for some CEOs of health insurances is not earned, it is stollen from society. And golden parashutes are not earned. And most economists say that it's not reach people who give a job to you and me. Natalia, while you're busy punishing success, should they pay more taxes and the same rate, or a higher rate? Who decides how high the punishment rate should be? I'm sure you realize that a flat rate would still yield more taxes paid by the " rich " ? The only think I'm aware of with " rich people " is that they gave me jobs. You want everyone equally equal? BTW, no one owes you anything. You are not entitled to what I have earned. Val From: hyperaldosteronism [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Natalia Kamneva It's funny how fast from our hyperaldosteronism discussion one can figure out who is democrat and who is republican. As we have completely different point of view on almost everything. I agree, as always, with Dr. Grim. Rich should pay more taxes than those who are less fortunate. Thought that they work millions times harder to get their money is ridiculous. They, for example, make fortune from producing expansive drugs, and you should decide between food and drug. They robe you and they owe all of us money at least in the form of taxes, welfare for those who cannot work anymore and health insurance for everybody who is sick and hungry. I am pretty fortunate now, but I was once in these shoes and I never forget this humiliation. Don " t be ashamed to get any assistance that can help you to survive and live normal productive life. I don't believe in God, but I am absolutely sure that's what Jesus Christ wanted for all of us - normal productive life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2011 Report Share Posted March 4, 2011 Natalia, I don't think a single person on this site thinks any of us is lazy and so on and so on. We all know how sick we've been. Val From: hyperaldosteronism [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Natalia Kamneva I thought we are talking here about people on this site. They are not lazy an so on and so on. They are sick and they are unfortunate. I don't defend criminals. Some people are truly lazy, some want to party and take drugs, some beat their wives and have felonies, some molest children. etc, etc, etc. they lose jobs or cant get jobs because of personal decisions. the rich do not them a dime. there is a profound diffrence between unfortunate and less fortunate. do not to spend money that does not belong to you On Tue Mar 1st, 2011 3:09 PM CST Francis Bill SUSPECTED PA wrote: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2011 Report Share Posted March 4, 2011 Thus I said "truly lazy" and "want to".......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2011 Report Share Posted March 4, 2011 There are some very honest businesses out there and you can't vilify all big business. If your boss tomorrow offered you 1 million a year and a 2 million bonus my guess is you would take it no problem. You would not turn it down out of some moral concern. You would see stability and a comfortable life.No one can deny the ENTIRE insurance industry on any level is wrought with fraud and unethical behavior. Subject: RE: Re: InsuranceTo: hyperaldosteronism Date: Friday, March 4, 2011, 11:01 AM Stolen? You mean "going-to-jail" stolen? What makes some CEOs do so well is government interference. If government would lay down basic rules of fair play and then get out of it, those companies would have to compete. You'd see how lean they could get, and how costs to consumers would fall. As it is, health insurance companies are heavily protected. Why do you supposed they were so supportive of Obamacare? Val From: hyperaldosteronism [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Natalia Kamneva I trust Warren Buffet who said that he pays taxes in percentage less than his secretary who gets $60,000 annually. It's not a flat rate. And Val, of course, I am not entitled to what you earned. But the salary of $52,000 an hour for some CEOs of health insurances is not earned, it is stollen from society. And golden parashutes are not earned. And most economists say that it's not reach people who give a job to you and me. Natalia, while you're busy punishing success, should they pay more taxes and the same rate, or a higher rate? Who decides how high the punishment rate should be? I'm sure you realize that a flat rate would still yield more taxes paid by the "rich"? The only think I'm aware of with "rich people" is that they gave me jobs. You want everyone equally equal? BTW, no one owes you anything. You are not entitled to what I have earned. Val From: hyperaldosteronism [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Natalia Kamneva It's funny how fast from our hyperaldosteronism discussion one can figure out who is democrat and who is republican. As we have completely different point of view on almost everything. I agree, as always, with Dr. Grim. Rich should pay more taxes than those who are less fortunate. Thought that they work millions times harder to get their money is ridiculous. They, for example, make fortune from producing expansive drugs, and you should decide between food and drug. They robe you and they owe all of us money at least in the form of taxes, welfare for those who cannot work anymore and health insurance for everybody who is sick and hungry. I am pretty fortunate now, but I was once in these shoes and I never forget this humiliation. Don"t be ashamed to get any assistance that can help you to survive and live normal productive life. I don't believe in God, but I am absolutely sure that's what Jesus Christ wanted for all of us - normal productive life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2011 Report Share Posted March 4, 2011 Just think of what would happen if health insurance companies had to compete in an open market with transparent pricing, no price fixing, no secret contracts, no government intrusion, etc. I am my boss but if I had one who offered me $1 million + $2 million, you bet I'd take it. I doubt anyone on this list would refuse it even though being rich is undesirable for many. And the rich do pay the taxes. 47% of adults are net takers and pay no taxes. The top 10% of earners pay 70% of personal income taxes. The top 1% (the very rich) pay 38% of the taxes. How much more do we want? All of it? http://www.ntu.org/tax-basics/who-pays-income-taxes.html Again, you're preaching to the choir. Val From: hyperaldosteronism [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Bingham There are some very honest businesses out there and you can't vilify all big business. If your boss tomorrow offered you 1 million a year and a 2 million bonus my guess is you would take it no problem. You would not turn it down out of some moral concern. You would see stability and a comfortable life. No one can deny the ENTIRE insurance industry on any level is wrought with fraud and unethical behavior. Stolen? You mean " going-to-jail " stolen? What makes some CEOs do so well is government interference. If government would lay down basic rules of fair play and then get out of it, those companies would have to compete. You'd see how lean they could get, and how costs to consumers would fall. As it is, health insurance companies are heavily protected. Why do you supposed they were so supportive of Obamacare? From: hyperaldosteronism [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Natalia Kamneva But the salary of $52,000 an hour for some CEOs of health insurances is not earned, it is stollen from society. And golden parashutes are not earned. And most economists say that it's not reach people who give a job to you and me. From: Valarie Natalia, while you're busy punishing success, should they pay more taxes and the same rate, or a higher rate? Who decides how high the punishment rate should be? I'm sure you realize that a flat rate would still yield more taxes paid by the " rich " ? The only think I'm aware of with " rich people " is that they gave me jobs. You want everyone equally equal? BTW, no one owes you anything. You are not entitled to what I have earned. Val From: hyperaldosteronism [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Natalia Kamneva It's funny how fast from our hyperaldosteronism discussion one can figure out who is democrat and who is republican. As we have completely different point of view on almost everything. I agree, as always, with Dr. Grim. Rich should pay more taxes than those who are less fortunate. Thought that they work millions times harder to get their money is ridiculous. They, for example, make fortune from producing expansive drugs, and you should decide between food and drug. They robe you and they owe all of us money at least in the form of taxes, welfare for those who cannot work anymore and health insurance for everybody who is sick and hungry. I am pretty fortunate now, but I was once in these shoes and I never forget this humiliation. Don " t be ashamed to get any assistance that can help you to survive and live normal productive life. I don't believe in God, but I am absolutely sure that's what Jesus Christ wanted for all of us - normal productive life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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