Guest guest Posted November 13, 2007 Report Share Posted November 13, 2007 I go around in circles with this one, but wondered what the general consensus was. Everyone tells me has severe learning difficulties, which ofcourse he has, but I always insist it is in direct correlation to his severe autism, however I read about so many kids who are severely autistic but don't appear to have the same level of LD as . The pro's here insist his LD's are over and above, in other words if his autism was cured tomorrow he would still be an SLD child. If this is so then why? Isn't there always a reason for LD's either brain injury through birth trauma or otherwise? also has LD's but more severe specific, in that in some things he is just like any other kid but academically he is very low. We have no history of LD's in either family, not even dyslexia yet both my boys have them. Watching the Soma DVD is even more confusing because she showed many children I would consider just as severe as but once communication was up and running they were actually very bright but still severely autistic, she is next to saintly in her patience and perserverance, I cannot get co-operation with this at all. Sometimes I think the more I learn the less I know! Vicky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2007 Report Share Posted November 13, 2007 Not being nosy vicky, but what do YOU think his alleged learning difficulties are? I have never had my 4yr old tested for any LD matters but what you say has got me thinking maybe my son has them too? what are some of a few things he " can " do, as opposed to trying or cannot do at this point? I have to say, i have a real problem with people talking about LD and sld, etc when it comes to autism because so often our children get labelled with this at such a young age before they are even given a chance (which is why i never allowed an IQ test, etc) is it because your child does not have a teacher who can reach him in a way he needs to be reached to bring out his learning? Is he so caught up in his " autism " that he is not picking things up? sorry, this is kind of basic stuff i am referring to, but for my boy, he cannot " do " what other 4 years olds do, because he never sits long enough to learn due to hyperactivity, lack of focus and pain, etc. Its bound to impact on what they pick up, but i dont believe that just cause they dont pick it up, means they can't learn. i would press this doctor, and ask for a few hours, not five minutes. they are so quick to judge and give pat answers which have such devastating effects on our psyche. > > I go around in circles with this one, but wondered what the general > consensus was. > Everyone tells me has severe learning difficulties, which ofcourse > he has, but I always insist it is in direct correlation to his severe > autism, however I read about so many kids who are severely autistic but > don't appear to have the same level of LD as . > The pro's here insist his LD's are over and above, in other words if > his autism was cured tomorrow he would still be an SLD child. > If this is so then why? Isn't there always a reason for LD's either > brain injury through birth trauma or otherwise? > also has LD's but more severe specific, in that in some things > he is just like any other kid but academically he is very low. > We have no history of LD's in either family, not even dyslexia yet > both my boys have them. Watching the Soma DVD is even more confusing > because she showed many children I would consider just as severe as > but once communication was up and running they were actually very > bright but still severely autistic, she is next to saintly in her > patience and perserverance, I cannot get co-operation with this at all. > Sometimes I think the more I learn the less I know! > Vicky > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2007 Report Share Posted November 13, 2007 I agree with Joanne, you have to be careful assigning LD's to ASD kids. I had just happened to test ours and found no less than 5 learning disabilities when she was just 4. We then started TMG and she was doing so well that I decided to test again, just 5 days later, and VOILA! NO learning diabilities, none, and 3 years jump in expressive language, 5 years in receptive language. Whoever heard of learning disabilities disappearing in 5 days? Not me and I have been testing kids for 17 years. Our kids do not fit the molds as it is health problems that are messing up the neuronal pathways and intellect. Learning Difficulties I go around in circles with this one, but wondered what the general consensus was.Everyone tells me has severe learning difficulties, which ofcourse he has, but I always insist it is in direct correlation to his severe autism, however I read about so many kids who are severely autistic but don't appear to have the same level of LD as .The pro's here insist his LD's are over and above, in other words if his autism was cured tomorrow he would still be an SLD child.If this is so then why? Isn't there always a reason for LD's either brain injury through birth trauma or otherwise? also has LD's but more severe specific, in that in some things he is just like any other kid but academically he is very low.We have no history of LD's in either family, not even dyslexia yet both my boys have them. Watching the Soma DVD is even more confusing because she showed many children I would consider just as severe as but once communication was up and running they were actually very bright but still severely autistic, she is next to saintly in her patience and perserverance, I cannot get co-operation with this at all.Sometimes I think the more I learn the less I know!Vicky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2007 Report Share Posted November 13, 2007 read Gatto - his works are fantastic, about being taught or rather " numbed " by the public school system. Gatto says there are seven lessons of school teaching:confusion, class position, indifference, emotional and intellectual dependency, conditional self esteem (where a child must please a teacher before being made to feel good) and surveillance. His book " Dumbing us Down, the Hidden Curriculum of compulsory Schooling convinced me that school is not the right place for my child to learn. (get book cheap on amazon) He goes on to say, " without exploiting the fearfulness, selfishness and inexperience of children, our schools couldntsurvive nor could teachrs. No common school that actually dared to teach the use of critical thinking tools would last long before it was torn to pieces. " He then goes on with a chapter dedicated to the " psychopathic school " . exceptionally good read, will put you off school FOREVER! -- In Autism-Biomedical-Europe , " Anita " wrote: > > Vicky, > > I cannot speak especially to children with autism and LDs, but I can > tell you that when I was teaching, I taught a couple dozen of high > school kids who had received some sort of LD diagnosis. Not one of > the diagnoses made sense to me. The kids couldn't make sense of them > either, if you talked to them about it, as I usually did. More often > than not, if a kid became motivated and a bit of time was taken by > someone who made them feel happy and confident, learning took place, > just like with every other kid. IMO, many LD diagnoses are given out > simply to ensure that someone who really does not have a CLUE can > save face and keep their job (within a system that loves labels but > refuses to look for causes and solutions). > > > That didn't mean that some kids weren't a lot better at learning > certain things than other kids. But IMO, being smarter or less smart > has nothing to do with so-called learning disabilities. Being > smarter or less smart in certain areas just means that you'll choose > to pursue different things that interest and satisfy you. People > forget that in our " factory " schools. > > Another thing: I could not learn math in high school to save my > life, but that doesn't mean I'm learning disabled. It meant that I > was scared shitless of the math teacher and so stressed I could > hardly remember my own name. I was also very convinced that learning > algorithms, etc, wouldn't play a crucial role in my future. I often > think of these things when my son, who I know is terribly bright, > doesn't learn things. The stress in our kids lives is often enormous > (far beyond what we can understand is my fear). And I know in our > house, it is very difficult to understand what can motivate my son. > I believe that once his stress levels are lower, more and more things > will be motivating for him. > > I hope some of this blabbing helps. > > Anita > > > > > > I go around in circles with this one, but wondered what the general > > consensus was. > > Everyone tells me has severe learning difficulties, which > ofcourse > > he has, but I always insist it is in direct correlation to his > severe > > autism, however I read about so many kids who are severely autistic > but > > don't appear to have the same level of LD as . > > The pro's here insist his LD's are over and above, in other words > if > > his autism was cured tomorrow he would still be an SLD child. > > If this is so then why? Isn't there always a reason for LD's > either > > brain injury through birth trauma or otherwise? > > also has LD's but more severe specific, in that in some > things > > he is just like any other kid but academically he is very low. > > We have no history of LD's in either family, not even dyslexia > yet > > both my boys have them. Watching the Soma DVD is even more > confusing > > because she showed many children I would consider just as severe as > > but once communication was up and running they were actually > very > > bright but still severely autistic, she is next to saintly in her > > patience and perserverance, I cannot get co-operation with this at > all. > > Sometimes I think the more I learn the less I know! > > Vicky > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2007 Report Share Posted November 14, 2007 Hi Vicky, It is interesting what you are saying here and I totally relate to this. My son was diagnosed ASD at the age of 2.5 yrs by E. Fombonne (Prof Rutter's team). They also diagnosed him with " severe mental retardation " which was over and above his ASD, this was so harsh and very destroying for us, I thought that terms like this were not used any more?! I know that in our case, my son has additional problems with a chromosome deletion (which had not be diagnosed at the time) but he also had abnormal (delayed) myelination (which they were aware of) and he had just started experiencing seizures. However, the seizures were not taken into consideration when this SLD was made, so it is interesting for me and puzzling about how or what exactly his sld's would be connected to, other than being contributed to by his epilepsy. The other thing is my son has got no motivation whatsoever and this has just gradually worsened as he has grown older. No doubt this amongst other things would contribute very much to ld's. emily > > I go around in circles with this one, but wondered what the general > consensus was. > Everyone tells me has severe learning difficulties, which ofcourse > he has, but I always insist it is in direct correlation to his severe > autism, however I read about so many kids who are severely autistic but > don't appear to have the same level of LD as . > The pro's here insist his LD's are over and above, in other words if > his autism was cured tomorrow he would still be an SLD child. > If this is so then why? Isn't there always a reason for LD's either > brain injury through birth trauma or otherwise? > also has LD's but more severe specific, in that in some things > he is just like any other kid but academically he is very low. > We have no history of LD's in either family, not even dyslexia yet > both my boys have them. Watching the Soma DVD is even more confusing > because she showed many children I would consider just as severe as > but once communication was up and running they were actually very > bright but still severely autistic, she is next to saintly in her > patience and perserverance, I cannot get co-operation with this at all. > Sometimes I think the more I learn the less I know! > Vicky > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2007 Report Share Posted November 14, 2007 Thanks for this book recommendation. I have a feeling that I would agree with all he says. I'd like to think that for the most part, I didn't participate in this sort of culture after I got my head on straight as a teacher, but I am sure it happened. Kids were so well- trained by the time they got to me that I would spend weeks trying to convince them that there was no hidden agenda. If I wanted something from them, it was made clear. Other than those clearly stated rules and goals, everything else was wide open. One of the best lessons I learned as a teacher was from a lovely, intelligent, shy girl in her penultimate year. My classes were small, and the students were most often working on their own or in groups (I rarely stood at the front, talking) with me spending lots of time alone with each of them. She was busy working and I asked her, " Are things going well, can I help you somehow? " and she gave me a long, hesitant look, and then said, " I think if you left me alone more, that would be better. " I laughed out loud I was so happy she said that. She went on to do wonderful things with her life. Came back to the school once to hug me and thank me for being the best teacher she ever had. And all I did for 95% of the time was leave her alone and let her learn and work. Lots of other teachers talked about what a bright girl she was, and how she was wasting that intelligence, lacked motivation, etc. She might have even qualified for some LD label or another, had she been younger. The fact of the matter was, she just wanted to learn things her way for the most part. And why shouldn't she? Anita > > > > > > I go around in circles with this one, but wondered what the > general > > > consensus was. > > > Everyone tells me has severe learning difficulties, which > > ofcourse > > > he has, but I always insist it is in direct correlation to his > > severe > > > autism, however I read about so many kids who are severely > autistic > > but > > > don't appear to have the same level of LD as . > > > The pro's here insist his LD's are over and above, in other > words > > if > > > his autism was cured tomorrow he would still be an SLD child. > > > If this is so then why? Isn't there always a reason for LD's > > either > > > brain injury through birth trauma or otherwise? > > > also has LD's but more severe specific, in that in some > > things > > > he is just like any other kid but academically he is very low. > > > We have no history of LD's in either family, not even dyslexia > > yet > > > both my boys have them. Watching the Soma DVD is even more > > confusing > > > because she showed many children I would consider just as severe > as > > > but once communication was up and running they were > actually > > very > > > bright but still severely autistic, she is next to saintly in > her > > > patience and perserverance, I cannot get co-operation with this > at > > all. > > > Sometimes I think the more I learn the less I know! > > > Vicky > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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