Guest guest Posted February 15, 2011 Report Share Posted February 15, 2011 How one can recognize if meat is infused or not? Bying it in Whole Food or Trader Joe's works? What about restaurants? Thank you, Natalia To: hyperaldosteronism Sent: Mon, February 14, 2011 12:13:56 AMSubject: RE: Re: Skin issues? Stop buying infused meat. I don't think soaking meat in water for a while would do much of anything. Swelling hands, difficulty breathing could be ingesting too much salt. Val From: hyperaldosteronism [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Natalia Kamneva Maybe, that's the reason! Thank you, Val. If I soak the meat in a cold water for while, does it help? I have different symptoms that is difficult to describe. It's difficulty to breath, very unpleasant feeling in my stomach, fainting, bloating in my hands, feet and stomach. Something like that. And I also had couple of cases of paralysis of my upper body, neck and arms. I don't know for sure what caused my low blood sodium but probably diarrhea and diuretics, because they removed my diuretic and even after 3 months they don't give it to me back. Probably, dehydration???? While now I am strictly on DASH, I even don't put salt to any food, I feel much better. Most supermarket meat is infused with sodium. You have to look for meats that are not. About 60 mg sodium per serving is naturally occurring. Anything above that is from infusion. We've found virtually no pork that is not infused. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2011 Report Share Posted February 15, 2011 No, I don't need a large cuff. The problem is that when I take 100 mg eplerenone a day my BP is higher that when I take 50 mg with the same dose of micardis. So, I don't know where to move in dosage. May I take Micardis/HCT once a day instead of Micardis? It worked fine with me, but my sodium was low and still is on a lower border of normal (133). And now my heart rate is very high - 90 at rest and 120 at move. Don't know why. Natalia Kamneva 66 Russian F with 1.5 sm adrenal adenoma, HTN and low renin , low aldosteron and high cortisol, K=3.4. To: hyperaldosteronism Cc: Clarence Grim Sent: Mon, February 14, 2011 1:13:16 AMSubject: Re: Re: Skin issues? Diabetic office goal is 130/85 so at home should be 125/80 or less. Do you need a large cuff? CE Grim MD Yes, I have. That's why nobody diagnosed me with PA. But I started to take eplrenone 50 mg a day and my BP is much better and consistent but it's still not 130/80. It's in average 140/80. And I am diabetic. To: hyperaldosteronism Cc: Clarence Grim Sent: Sat, February 12, 2011 8:55:11 PMSubject: Re: Re: Skin issues? pizza is a salt bomb usually. Again if renin is low aldo should be low NOT normal. I was recalling that you had low renin AND low aldo a very rare combo. CE Grim MD My example. When I was hospitalized and felt like I was dying, I had low sodium in my body, normal aldo, normal potassium and just low renin. I also would like to know what is the mechanism that causes such extremely bad feeling right after eating something not within DASH? For me, it's almost all meat and fat including chicken and turkey. Somebody here mentioned pizza. I wonder if it's possible that it's hormones in meat???? Natalia Kamneva 66 Russian F with adrenal adenoma, HTN and low renin , low aldosteron and high cortisol, K=3.4. To: hyperaldosteronism Sent: Sat, February 12, 2011 11:47:53 AMSubject: Re: Skin issues? So is it the High salt, Low potassium diet AND high aldo or low renin that may cause drepression or maybe just high aldo or low renin?> > > No one knows all that High Aldo or low Renin does.> > Always say: High salt, Low potassium diet AND high aldo or low renin.> > No excess salt no aldo effect on BP or K.> > High salt diet wastes K> > High K diet protects against low blood and body K> > Recall body K has to go own a lot before blood K> > CE Grim MD> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2011 Report Share Posted February 15, 2011 No, but we also allowed vegetabbles, fruit and no fat dairy. Can we live on that? To: hyperaldosteronism Sent: Mon, February 14, 2011 9:15:48 PMSubject: Re: Skin issues? Can one live on just rice? > > > > >> > > > > Stop buying infused meat. I don't think soaking meat in water > > for> > > > a while would do much of anything. Swelling hands, difficulty> > > > breathing could be ingesting too much salt.> > > > >> > > > > Val> > > > >> > > > > From: hyperaldosteronism [mailto:hyperaldosteronism > > > > ] On Behalf Of Natalia Kamneva> > > > >> > > > > Maybe, that's the reason! Thank you, Val. If I soak the meat > > in a> > > > cold water for while, does it help? I have different symptoms that> > > > is difficult to describe. It's difficulty to breath, very > > unpleasant> > > > feeling in my stomach, fainting, bloating in my hands, feet and> > > > stomach. Something like that. And I also had couple of cases of> > > > paralysis of my upper body, neck and arms.> > > > >> > > > > I don't know for sure what caused my low blood sodium but > > probably> > > > diarrhea and diuretics, because they removed my diuretic and even> > > > after 3 months they don't give it to me back. Probably,> > > > dehydration????> > > > >> > > > > While now I am strictly on DASH, I even don't put salt to any> > > > food, I feel much better.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > _____> > > > >> > > > > From: Valarie <val@>> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Most supermarket meat is infused with sodium. You have to look > > for> > > > meats that are not. About 60 mg sodium per serving is naturally> > > > occurring. Anything above that is from infusion. We've found> > > > virtually no pork that is not infused.> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2011 Report Share Posted February 15, 2011 Unfortunately, all of us are prisoners of food corporations and supermarkets. Who knows, if we went on a good diet 10 years before we got our problems, probably, we would not have them today. To: hyperaldosteronism Cc: Clarence Grim Sent: Mon, February 14, 2011 9:34:37 PMSubject: Re: Re: Skin issues? It does not make ethical sense to provide food that is loaded with food borne illness to those who must use it. Would it not be better and cheaper and healthier to provide healthy food like rice and beans/ Same in prison. It is unethical to feed prisoners unhealthy food as they have not choice. Forcing them to eat stuff loaded with foodborne illness is cruel and unusual punishment. All good Republicans should be up in arms about this as the food borne illnesses maim the prisoners and we have to pay for the illnesses engendered. Not to mention that if they die before serving their complete sentence society and Republican's do not get to see them suffer enough. CE Grim MD On Feb 14, 2011, at 7:23 PM, Francis Bill SUSPECTED PA wrote: For many this food is needed. > > > > >> > > > > Stop buying infused meat. I don't think soaking meat in water > > for> > > > a while would do much of anything. Swelling hands, difficulty> > > > breathing could be ingesting too much salt.> > > > >> > > > > Val> > > > >> > > > > From: hyperaldosteronism [mailto:hyperaldosteronism > > > > ] On Behalf Of Natalia Kamneva> > > > >> > > > > Maybe, that's the reason! Thank you, Val. If I soak the meat > > in a> > > > cold water for while, does it help? I have different symptoms that> > > > is difficult to describe. It's difficulty to breath, very > > unpleasant> > > > feeling in my stomach, fainting, bloating in my hands, feet and> > > > stomach. Something like that. And I also had couple of cases of> > > > paralysis of my upper body, neck and arms.> > > > >> > > > > I don't know for sure what caused my low blood sodium but > > probably> > > > diarrhea and diuretics, because they removed my diuretic and even> > > > after 3 months they don't give it to me back. Probably,> > > > dehydration????> > > > >> > > > > While now I am strictly on DASH, I even don't put salt to any> > > > food, I feel much better.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > _____> > > > >> > > > > From: Valarie <val@>> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Most supermarket meat is infused with sodium. You have to look > > for> > > > meats that are not. About 60 mg sodium per serving is naturally> > > > occurring. Anything above that is from infusion. We've found> > > > virtually no pork that is not infused.> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2011 Report Share Posted February 15, 2011 And me too. Let's help and support each other despite our differencies in politics and our social and financial situation. We are all in the same boat, that called PA or something similar to it. To: hyperaldosteronism Sent: Tue, February 15, 2011 12:56:47 PMSubject: Re: Skin issues? Any one of us is a heart beat away from ending up like this.> > > >> > > > Stop buying infused meat. I don't think soaking meat in water for > > > a while would do much of anything. Swelling hands, difficulty > > > breathing could be ingesting too much salt.> > > >> > > > Val> > > >> > > > From: hyperaldosteronism [mailto:hyperaldosteronism > > > ] On Behalf Of Natalia Kamneva> > > >> > > > Maybe, that's the reason! Thank you, Val. If I soak the meat in a > > > cold water for while, does > > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2011 Report Share Posted February 15, 2011 I am sorry, I found them. No, what I wanted to ask - how to diagnoze pheochromocytoma? As far as I could figure out from my doctors, they really don't know for sure if you have lipoma, adenoma, pheochtomocytoma or cancer, unless biopsy is done. To: hyperaldosteronism Sent: Tue, February 15, 2011 6:09:17 PMSubject: RE: Re: Skin issues? Pheochromocytoma. Lyme disease, not Limo. Google them. Val From: hyperaldosteronism [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Natalia Kamneva What is testing for pheo? What is Limo? Many thanks, Natalia Kamneva 66 Russian F with adrenal adenoma 1.5 sm, HTN and low renin , low aldosteron and high cortisol, K=3.4. Tested several times - no pheo. Since being on Lyme treatment, I am on only about 38 mg spiro compared to 150 before. BP is averaging 120/70. I expect at some point, I may not need any spiro. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2011 Report Share Posted February 15, 2011 Look at the sodium content on the package.   Without infusion, most meat is 60 - 70 mg naturally occurring sodium.  In restaurants, I don't know how to tell. Val From: hyperaldosteronism [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Natalia Kamneva How one can recognize if meat is infused or not? Bying it in Whole Food or Trader Joe's works? What about restaurants? Thank you, Natalia Stop buying infused meat. I don't think soaking meat in water for a while would do much of anything. Swelling hands, difficulty breathing could be ingesting too much salt. From: hyperaldosteronism [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Natalia Kamneva Maybe, that's the reason! Thank you, Val. If I soak the meat in a cold water for while, does it help? I have different symptoms that is difficult to describe. It's difficulty to breath, very unpleasant feeling in my stomach, fainting, bloating in my hands, feet and stomach. Something like that. And I also had couple of cases of paralysis of my upper body, neck and arms. I don't know for sure what caused my low blood sodium but probably diarrhea and diuretics, because they removed my diuretic and even after 3 months they don't give it to me back. Probably, dehydration???? While now I am strictly on DASH, I even don't put salt to any food, I feel much better. From: Valarie Most supermarket meat is infused with sodium. You have to look for meats that are not. About 60 mg sodium per serving is naturally occurring. Anything above that is from infusion. We've found virtually no pork that is not infused. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2011 Report Share Posted February 15, 2011 Natalia, are you seeing a doctor? Val From: hyperaldosteronism [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Natalia Kamneva No, I don't need a large cuff. The problem is that when I take 100 mg eplerenone a day my BP is higher that when I take 50 mg with the same dose of micardis. So, I don't know where to move in dosage. May I take Micardis/HCT once a day instead of Micardis? It worked fine with me, but my sodium was low and still is on a lower border of normal (133). And now my heart rate is very high - 90 at rest and 120 at move. Don't know why. Natalia Kamneva 66 Russian F with 1.5 sm adrenal adenoma, HTN and low renin , low aldosteron and high cortisol, K=3.4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2011 Report Share Posted February 15, 2011 Yes, of course. I saw 100 of them and I also was hospitalized twice. And they kept changing my BP medications all the time and almost killed me. Currently I see my PCP and when he said that he had a new good BP medication for me, I asked him to prescribe me eplerenone instead. He never heard of this medication. I am on it and onn DASH for a month now and my BP and my health condition is much, much better. The worst BP that I have now is 150/80 ( was yesterday before gynecological surgery) and right after surgery it was 130/80. Comparable with 245/137 that I pretty often had 3 - 4 months ago, it's a huge progress. But I started to have a very high heart rate, what bothers me. To: hyperaldosteronism Sent: Tue, February 15, 2011 7:51:42 PMSubject: RE: Re: Skin issues? Natalia, are you seeing a doctor? Val From: hyperaldosteronism [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Natalia Kamneva No, I don't need a large cuff. The problem is that when I take 100 mg eplerenone a day my BP is higher that when I take 50 mg with the same dose of micardis. So, I don't know where to move in dosage. May I take Micardis/HCT once a day instead of Micardis? It worked fine with me, but my sodium was low and still is on a lower border of normal (133). And now my heart rate is very high - 90 at rest and 120 at move. Don't know why. Natalia Kamneva 66 Russian F with 1.5 sm adrenal adenoma, HTN and low renin , low aldosteron and high cortisol, K=3.4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2011 Report Share Posted February 15, 2011 Many canTiped sad Send form miiPhone ;-)May your pressure be low!CE Grim MDSpecializing in DifficultHypertension No, but we also allowed vegetabbles, fruit and no fat dairy. Can we live on that? To: hyperaldosteronism Sent: Mon, February 14, 2011 9:15:48 PMSubject: Re: Skin issues? Can one live on just rice? > > > > >> > > > > Stop buying infused meat. I don't think soaking meat in water > > for> > > > a while would do much of anything. Swelling hands, difficulty> > > > breathing could be ingesting too much salt.> > > > >> > > > > Val> > > > >> > > > > From: hyperaldosteronism [mailto:hyperaldosteronism > > > > ] On Behalf Of Natalia Kamneva> > > > >> > > > > Maybe, that's the reason! Thank you, Val. If I soak the meat > > in a> > > > cold water for while, does it help? I have different symptoms that> > > > is difficult to describe. It's difficulty to breath, very > > unpleasant> > > > feeling in my stomach, fainting, bloating in my hands, feet and> > > > stomach. Something like that. And I also had couple of cases of> > > > paralysis of my upper body, neck and arms.> > > > >> > > > > I don't know for sure what caused my low blood sodium but > > probably> > > > diarrhea and diuretics, because they removed my diuretic and even> > > > after 3 months they don't give it to me back. Probably,> > > > dehydration????> > > > >> > > > > While now I am strictly on DASH, I even don't put salt to any> > > > food, I feel much better.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > _____> > > > >> > > > > From: Valarie <val@>> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Most supermarket meat is infused with sodium. You have to look > > for> > > > meats that are not. About 60 mg sodium per serving is naturally> > > > occurring. Anything above that is from infusion. We've found> > > > virtually no pork that is not infused.> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2011 Report Share Posted February 15, 2011 And the evidence that this helps isIf you are teaching folks how to eat right butgiving them foods loaded with food borne illness how can the teaching help?Tiped sad Send form miiPhone ;-)May your pressure be low!CE Grim MDSpecializing in DifficultHypertension Txsgreen I don't know what state you live in but many states have state funded nutrition programs. A nutritional expert comes to your home and educates you on the healthiest foods and ways to prep them based on your food budget. Our program in Oklahoma is through the Oklahoma State University Extension Office. Just something to research in your area...hope that helps some. Juli To: hyperaldosteronism Sent: Tue, February 15, 2011 12:10:52 PMSubject: Re: Skin issues? You could just give up in go to nursing home. Alto you most likey would be fed high salt food.Unless you try to get food stamps or have helped someone get them you don't know how hard it is to get them.> > > >> > > > Stop buying infused meat. I don't think soaking meat in water for > > > a while would do much of anything. Swelling hands, difficulty > > > breathing could be ingesting too much salt.> > > >> > > > Val> > > >> > > > From: hyperaldosteronism [mailto:hyperaldosteronism > > > ] On Behalf Of Natalia Kamneva> > > >> > > > Maybe, that's the reason! Thank you, Val. If I soak the meat in a > > > cold water for while, does > > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2011 Report Share Posted February 15, 2011 By too much energy to fix Are u referring to gas or electricity ? Beans are very easy to fix. Cover with water over night and then simmer or ow cook till done. What could be easier?If u r getting free food and are obese we are doing u and society a disservice by giving you too many calories. Tiped sad Send form miiPhone ;-)May your pressure be low!CE Grim MDSpecializing in DifficultHypertension You could just give up in go to nursing home. Alto you most likey would be fed high salt food. Unless you try to get food stamps or have helped someone get them you don't know how hard it is to get them. > > > > > > > > Stop buying infused meat. I don't think soaking meat in water for > > > a while would do much of anything. Swelling hands, difficulty > > > breathing could be ingesting too much salt. > > > > > > > > Val > > > > > > > > From: hyperaldosteronism [mailto:hyperaldosteronism > > > ] On Behalf Of Natalia Kamneva > > > > > > > > Maybe, that's the reason! Thank you, Val. If I soak the meat in a > > > cold water for while, does > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2011 Report Share Posted February 15, 2011 They do not know what they Are talking about these Are biochemical. Diagnoses. Take them my paper on difficult HTN Tiped sad Send form miiPhone ;-)May your pressure be low!CE Grim MDSpecializing in DifficultHypertension I am sorry, I found them. No, what I wanted to ask - how to diagnoze pheochromocytoma? As far as I could figure out from my doctors, they really don't know for sure if you have lipoma, adenoma, pheochtomocytoma or cancer, unless biopsy is done. To: hyperaldosteronism Sent: Tue, February 15, 2011 6:09:17 PMSubject: RE: Re: Skin issues? Pheochromocytoma. Lyme disease, not Limo. Google them. Val From: hyperaldosteronism [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Natalia Kamneva What is testing for pheo? What is Limo? Many thanks, Natalia Kamneva 66 Russian F with adrenal adenoma 1.5 sm, HTN and low renin , low aldosteron and high cortisol, K=3.4. Tested several times - no pheo. Since being on Lyme treatment, I am on only about 38 mg spiro compared to 150 before. BP is averaging 120/70. I expect at some point, I may not need any spiro. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2011 Report Share Posted February 15, 2011 I dont know either. Micardias usually does not work in PA. Tiped sad Send form miiPhone ;-)May your pressure be low!CE Grim MDSpecializing in DifficultHypertension No, I don't need a large cuff. The problem is that when I take 100 mg eplerenone a day my BP is higher that when I take 50 mg with the same dose of micardis. So, I don't know where to move in dosage. May I take Micardis/HCT once a day instead of Micardis? It worked fine with me, but my sodium was low and still is on a lower border of normal (133). And now my heart rate is very high - 90 at rest and 120 at move. Don't know why. Natalia Kamneva 66 Russian F with 1.5 sm adrenal adenoma, HTN and low renin , low aldosteron and high cortisol, K=3.4. To: hyperaldosteronism Cc: Clarence Grim Sent: Mon, February 14, 2011 1:13:16 AMSubject: Re: Re: Skin issues? Diabetic office goal is 130/85 so at home should be 125/80 or less. Do you need a large cuff? CE Grim MD Yes, I have. That's why nobody diagnosed me with PA. But I started to take eplrenone 50 mg a day and my BP is much better and consistent but it's still not 130/80. It's in average 140/80. And I am diabetic. To: hyperaldosteronism Cc: Clarence Grim Sent: Sat, February 12, 2011 8:55:11 PMSubject: Re: Re: Skin issues? pizza is a salt bomb usually. Again if renin is low aldo should be low NOT normal. I was recalling that you had low renin AND low aldo a very rare combo. CE Grim MD My example. When I was hospitalized and felt like I was dying, I had low sodium in my body, normal aldo, normal potassium and just low renin. I also would like to know what is the mechanism that causes such extremely bad feeling right after eating something not within DASH? For me, it's almost all meat and fat including chicken and turkey. Somebody here mentioned pizza. I wonder if it's possible that it's hormones in meat???? Natalia Kamneva 66 Russian F with adrenal adenoma, HTN and low renin , low aldosteron and high cortisol, K=3.4. To: hyperaldosteronism Sent: Sat, February 12, 2011 11:47:53 AMSubject: Re: Skin issues? So is it the High salt, Low potassium diet AND high aldo or low renin that may cause drepression or maybe just high aldo or low renin?> > > No one knows all that High Aldo or low Renin does.> > Always say: High salt, Low potassium diet AND high aldo or low renin.> > No excess salt no aldo effect on BP or K.> > High salt diet wastes K> > High K diet protects against low blood and body K> > Recall body K has to go own a lot before blood K> > CE Grim MD> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2011 Report Share Posted February 15, 2011 I noted in the market here in Raton NM that the deli does not accept food stamps. So no good fried chicken. Etc. Tiped sad Send form miiPhone ;-)May your pressure be low!CE Grim MDSpecializing in DifficultHypertension That would be nice if those million children who also get the benefits of food stamps could afford work boots Re: Re: Skin issues? > > > It does not make ethical sense to provide food that is loaded with > food borne illness to those who must use it. Would it not be better > and cheaper and healthier to provide healthy food like rice and beans/ > > > Same in prison. It i Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2011 Report Share Posted February 16, 2011 Many, many thanks. Helped me a lot. To: hyperaldosteronism Sent: Wed, February 16, 2011 11:01:00 AMSubject: Re: Skin issues? One thing to avoid is anything that says always tender or tender. This is code for something soaked in a brine solution. Also, I have not foudn any pork that is not soaked in a brine solution, so I usually avoid it. Another thing I do is ask to person at the meat counter questions. I have found out that some specialty poultry products like whole turkeys are also soaked in brine solutions. If you get an all natural one, you can get one without, but the safest thing to do is ask the butcher to confirm. Restaurants are good at turning a healty meal into a sodium and fat laden minefield. In a restaurant, you can pretty much assume that everything is filled with fat and sodium unless you tell them not to add it. You have to ask lots of questions about the preparation and tell them not to prepare with added fats, salt, etc. Avoid soups and most salad dressings as they typically are filled with fat and sodium. polymac > > How one can recognize if meat is infused or not? Bying it in Whole Food or > Trader Joe's works? What about restaurants? > > Thank you, > > Natalia > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Valarie val@... > To: hyperaldosteronism > Sent: Mon, February 14, 2011 12:13:56 AM > Subject: RE: Re: Skin issues? > >  > Stop buying infused meat. I don't think soaking meat in water for a while would > do much of anything. Swelling hands, difficulty breathing could be ingesting > too much salt. >  > Val >  > From:hyperaldosteronism > [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Natalia Kamneva >  > Maybe, that's the reason! Thank you, Val. If I soak the meat in a cold water for > while, does it help? I have different symptoms that is difficult to describe. > It's difficulty to breath, very unpleasant feeling in my stomach, fainting, > bloating in my hands, feet and stomach. Something like that. And I also had > couple of cases of paralysis of my upper body, neck and arms.   > > > I don't know for sure what caused my low blood sodium but probably diarrhea and > diuretics, because they removed my diuretic and even after 3 months they don't > give it to me back. Probably, dehydration???? > > > While now I am strictly on DASH, I even don't put salt to any food, I feel much > better. > > > > > ________________________________ > > From:Valarie val@... > > > Most supermarket meat is infused with sodium. You have to look for meats that > are not. About 60 mg sodium per serving is naturally occurring. Anything above > that is from infusion. We've found virtually no pork that is not infused. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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