Re: Re: Skin issues?

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Diabetic office goal is 130/85 so at home should be 125/80 or less. Do you need a large cuff?CE Grim MDYes, I have. That's why nobody diagnosed me with PA. But I started to take eplrenone 50 mg a day and my BP is much better and consistent but it's still not 130/80. It's in average 140/80. And I am diabetic. To: hyperaldosteronism Cc: Clarence Grim Sent: Sat, February 12, 2011 8:55:11 PMSubject: Re: Re: Skin issues? pizza is a salt bomb usually.Again if renin is low aldo should be low NOT normal. I was recalling that you had low renin AND low aldo a very rare combo.CE Grim MDMy example. When I was hospitalized and felt like I was dying, I had low sodium in my body, normal aldo, normal potassium and just low renin. I also would like to know what is the mechanism that causes such extremely bad feeling right after eating something not within DASH? For me, it's almost all meat and fat including chicken and turkey. Somebody here mentioned pizza. I wonder if it's possible that it's hormones in meat???? Natalia Kamneva 66 Russian F with adrenal adenoma, HTN and low renin , low aldosteron and high cortisol, K=3.4. To: hyperaldosteronism Sent: Sat, February 12, 2011 11:47:53 AMSubject: Re: Skin issues? So is it the High salt, Low potassium diet AND high aldo or low renin that may cause drepression or maybe just high aldo or low renin?> > > No one knows all that High Aldo or low Renin does.> > Always say: High salt, Low potassium diet AND high aldo or low renin.> > No excess salt no aldo effect on BP or K.> > High salt diet wastes K> > High K diet protects against low blood and body K> > Recall body K has to go own a lot before blood K> > CE Grim MD>

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As I recall rice and beans and potatoes in large bags are cheap and salt free.CE GrimOn Feb 14, 2011, at 8:22 AM, Francis Bill SUSPECTED PA wrote:The problem with not buying infused meat is finding it. We have gone away from stores that cut there own meat to meat cutting factories some outside the US. Infused meat looks fresh longer. Also makes cheaper cuts of meat more tender. When one has limited funds many times can only afford high salt foods. >> Stop buying infused meat. I don't think soaking meat in water for a while would do much of anything. Swelling hands, difficulty breathing could be ingesting too much salt.> > Val> > From: hyperaldosteronism [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Natalia Kamneva> > Maybe, that's the reason! Thank you, Val. If I soak the meat in a cold water for while, does it help? I have different symptoms that is difficult to describe. It's difficulty to breath, very unpleasant feeling in my stomach, fainting, bloating in my hands, feet and stomach. Something like that. And I also had couple of cases of paralysis of my upper body, neck and arms. > > I don't know for sure what caused my low blood sodium but probably diarrhea and diuretics, because they removed my diuretic and even after 3 months they don't give it to me back. Probably, dehydration???? > > While now I am strictly on DASH, I even don't put salt to any food, I feel much better. > > > _____ > > > > > Most supermarket meat is infused with sodium. You have to look for meats that are not. About 60 mg sodium per serving is naturally occurring. Anything above that is from infusion. We've found virtually no pork that is not infused.>

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50 lbs ;ong grain brown rice is about $60.So if you eat 1 lb of dry rice a day it will cost about $1 a day. My guess is that most cannot eat that much rice in a day.But have not converted dry rice one lb to wet rice weight. CE Grim MDOn Feb 14, 2011, at 6:46 PM, Francis Bill SUSPECTED PA wrote:Now go to food pantry and see what you get for low salt foods. > > >> > > Stop buying infused meat. I don't think soaking meat in water for > > a while would do much of anything. Swelling hands, difficulty > > breathing could be ingesting too much salt.> > >> > > Val> > >> > > From: hyperaldosteronism [mailto:hyperaldosteronism > > ] On Behalf Of Natalia Kamneva> > >> > > Maybe, that's the reason! Thank you, Val. If I soak the meat in a > > cold water for while, does it help? I have different symptoms that > > is difficult to describe. It's difficulty to breath, very unpleasant > > feeling in my stomach, fainting, bloating in my hands, feet and > > stomach. Something like that. And I also had couple of cases of > > paralysis of my upper body, neck and arms.> > >> > > I don't know for sure what caused my low blood sodium but probably > > diarrhea and diuretics, because they removed my diuretic and even > > after 3 months they don't give it to me back. Probably, > > dehydration????> > >> > > While now I am strictly on DASH, I even don't put salt to any > > food, I feel much better.> > >> > >> > > _____> > >> > > From: Valarie <val@>> > >> > >> > > Most supermarket meat is infused with sodium. You have to look for > > meats that are not. About 60 mg sodium per serving is naturally > > occurring. Anything above that is from infusion. We've found > > virtually no pork that is not infused.> > >> >> >> >>

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the food pantry are you talking about online or in a local church etc. they are killing their attendees with salt and calories.CE Grim MDOn Feb 14, 2011, at 6:46 PM, Francis Bill SUSPECTED PA wrote:Now go to food pantry and see what you get for low salt foods. > > >> > > Stop buying infused meat. I don't think soaking meat in water for > > a while would do much of anything. Swelling hands, difficulty > > breathing could be ingesting too much salt.> > >> > > Val> > >> > > From: hyperaldosteronism [mailto:hyperaldosteronism > > ] On Behalf Of Natalia Kamneva> > >> > > Maybe, that's the reason! Thank you, Val. If I soak the meat in a > > cold water for while, does it help? I have different symptoms that > > is difficult to describe. It's difficulty to breath, very unpleasant > > feeling in my stomach, fainting, bloating in my hands, feet and > > stomach. Something like that. And I also had couple of cases of > > paralysis of my upper body, neck and arms.> > >> > > I don't know for sure what caused my low blood sodium but probably > > diarrhea and diuretics, because they removed my diuretic and even > > after 3 months they don't give it to me back. Probably, > > dehydration????> > >> > > While now I am strictly on DASH, I even don't put salt to any > > food, I feel much better.> > >> > >> > > _____> > >> > > From: Valarie <val@>> > >> > >> > > Most supermarket meat is infused with sodium. You have to look for > > meats that are not. About 60 mg sodium per serving is naturally > > occurring. Anything above that is from infusion. We've found > > virtually no pork that is not infused.> > >> >> >> >>

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It does not make ethical sense to provide food that is loaded with food borne illness to those who must use it. Would it not be better and cheaper and healthier to provide healthy food like rice and beans/Same in prison. It is unethical to feed prisoners unhealthy food as they have not choice.Forcing them to eat stuff loaded with foodborne illness is cruel and unusual punishment.All good Republicans should be up in arms about this as the food borne illnesses maim the prisoners and we have to pay for the illnesses engendered.Not to mention that if they die before serving their complete sentence society and Republican's do not get to see them suffer enough.CE Grim MDOn Feb 14, 2011, at 7:23 PM, Francis Bill SUSPECTED PA wrote:For many this food is needed. > > > > >> > > > > Stop buying infused meat. I don't think soaking meat in water > > for> > > > a while would do much of anything. Swelling hands, difficulty> > > > breathing could be ingesting too much salt.> > > > >> > > > > Val> > > > >> > > > > From: hyperaldosteronism [mailto:hyperaldosteronism > > > > ] On Behalf Of Natalia Kamneva> > > > >> > > > > Maybe, that's the reason! Thank you, Val. If I soak the meat > > in a> > > > cold water for while, does it help? I have different symptoms that> > > > is difficult to describe. It's difficulty to breath, very > > unpleasant> > > > feeling in my stomach, fainting, bloating in my hands, feet and> > > > stomach. Something like that. And I also had couple of cases of> > > > paralysis of my upper body, neck and arms.> > > > >> > > > > I don't know for sure what caused my low blood sodium but > > probably> > > > diarrhea and diuretics, because they removed my diuretic and even> > > > after 3 months they don't give it to me back. Probably,> > > > dehydration????> > > > >> > > > > While now I am strictly on DASH, I even don't put salt to any> > > > food, I feel much better.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > _____> > > > >> > > > > From: Valarie <val@>> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Most supermarket meat is infused with sodium. You have to look > > for> > > > meats that are not. About 60 mg sodium per serving is naturally> > > > occurring. Anything above that is from infusion. We've found> > > > virtually no pork that is not infused.> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> >> >> >>

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Ask the Indians (with a dot) or the Chinese or our WWII prisoners of war in Japanese camps.CE Grim MDOn Feb 14, 2011, at 7:15 PM, Francis Bill SUSPECTED PA wrote:Can one live on just rice? > > > > >> > > > > Stop buying infused meat. I don't think soaking meat in water > > for> > > > a while would do much of anything. Swelling hands, difficulty> > > > breathing could be ingesting too much salt.> > > > >> > > > > Val> > > > >> > > > > From: hyperaldosteronism [mailto:hyperaldosteronism > > > > ] On Behalf Of Natalia Kamneva> > > > >> > > > > Maybe, that's the reason! Thank you, Val. If I soak the meat > > in a> > > > cold water for while, does it help? I have different symptoms that> > > > is difficult to describe. It's difficulty to breath, very > > unpleasant> > > > feeling in my stomach, fainting, bloating in my hands, feet and> > > > stomach. Something like that. And I also had couple of cases of> > > > paralysis of my upper body, neck and arms.> > > > >> > > > > I don't know for sure what caused my low blood sodium but > > probably> > > > diarrhea and diuretics, because they removed my diuretic and even> > > > after 3 months they don't give it to me back. Probably,> > > > dehydration????> > > > >> > > > > While now I am strictly on DASH, I even don't put salt to any> > > > food, I feel much better.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > _____> > > > >> > > > > From: Valarie <val@>> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Most supermarket meat is infused with sodium. You have to look > > for> > > > meats that are not. About 60 mg sodium per serving is naturally> > > > occurring. Anything above that is from infusion. We've found> > > > virtually no pork that is not infused.> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> >> >> >>

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Sadly, I think the consumers of this type of healthy, yet "boring" diet would be up in arms about their right to "modern" food.To: hyperaldosteronism Cc: Clarence Grim Sent: Mon, February 14, 2011

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It does not make ethical sense to provide food that is loaded with food borne illness to those who must use it. Would it not be better and cheaper and healthier to provide healthy food like rice and beans/Same in prison. It is unethical to feed prisoners unhealthy food as they have not choice.Forcing them to eat stuff loaded with foodborne illness is cruel and unusual punishment.All good Republicans should be up in arms about this as the food borne illnesses maim the prisoners and we have to pay for the illnesses engendered.Not to mention that if they die before serving their complete sentence society and Republican's do not get to see them suffer enough.CE Grim MDOn Feb 14, 2011, at 7:23 PM, Francis Bill SUSPECTED PA wrote:For many this food is needed. > > > > >> > > > > Stop buying infused meat. I don't think soaking meat in water > > for> > > > a while would do much of anything. Swelling hands, difficulty> > > > breathing could be ingesting too much salt.> > > > >> > > > > Val> > > > >> > > > > From: hyperaldosteronism [mailto:hyperaldosteronism > > > > ] On Behalf Of Natalia Kamneva> > > > >> > > > > Maybe, that's the reason! Thank you, Val. If I soak the meat > > in a> > > > cold water for while, does it help? I have different symptoms that> > > > is difficult to describe. It's difficulty to breath, very > > unpleasant> > > > feeling in my stomach, fainting, bloating in my hands, feet and> > > > stomach. Something like that. And I also had couple of cases of> > > > paralysis of my upper body, neck and arms.> >

> > >> > > > > I don't know for sure what caused my low blood sodium but > > probably> > > > diarrhea and diuretics, because they removed my diuretic and even> > > > after 3 months they don't give it to me back. Probably,> > > > dehydration????> > > > >> > > > > While now I am strictly on DASH, I even don't put salt to any> > > > food, I feel much better.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > _____> > > > >> > > > > From: Valarie <val@>> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Most supermarket meat is infused with sodium. You have to look > > for> > > > meats

that are not. About 60 mg sodium per serving is naturally> > > > occurring. Anything above that is from infusion. We've found> > > > virtually no pork that is not infused.> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> >> >> >>

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But is it right for us to make them fat and hypertensive and give them diabetes. I think not. Of course they could raise their arms and work and buy their own food if they did not like what was offered for free.Guess you know the best way to starve many on food stamps. Hide them under their work boots.CE Grim MDSadly, I think the consumers of this type of healthy, yet "boring" diet would be up in arms about their right to "modern" food.To: hyperaldosteronism Cc: Clarence Grim Sent: Mon, February 14, 2011 9:34:37 PMSubject: Re: Re: Skin issues? It does not make ethical sense to provide food that is loaded with food borne illness to those who must use it. Would it not be better and cheaper and healthier to provide healthy food like rice and beans/Same in prison. It is unethical to feed prisoners unhealthy food as they have not choice.Forcing them to eat stuff loaded with foodborne illness is cruel and unusual punishment.All good Republicans should be up in arms about this as the food borne illnesses maim the prisoners and we have to pay for the illnesses engendered.Not to mention that if they die before serving their complete sentence society and Republican's do not get to see them suffer enough.CE Grim MDOn Feb 14, 2011, at 7:23 PM, Francis Bill SUSPECTED PA wrote:For many this food is needed. > > > > >> > > > > Stop buying infused meat. I don't think soaking meat in water > > for> > > > a while would do much of anything. Swelling hands, difficulty> > > > breathing could be ingesting too much salt.> > > > >> > > > > Val> > > > >> > > > > From: hyperaldosteronism [mailto:hyperaldosteronism > > > > ] On Behalf Of Natalia Kamneva> > > > >> > > > > Maybe, that's the reason! Thank you, Val. If I soak the meat > > in a> > > > cold water for while, does it help? I have different symptoms that> > > > is difficult to describe. It's difficulty to breath, very > > unpleasant> > > > feeling in my stomach, fainting, bloating in my hands, feet and> > > > stomach. Something like that. And I also had couple of cases of> > > > paralysis of my upper body, neck and arms.> > > > >> > > > > I don't know for sure what caused my low blood sodium but > > probably> > > > diarrhea and diuretics, because they removed my diuretic and even> > > > after 3 months they don't give it to me back. Probably,> > > > dehydration????> > > > >> > > > > While now I am strictly on DASH, I even don't put salt to any> > > > food, I feel much better.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > _____> > > > >> > > > > From: Valarie <val@>> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Most supermarket meat is infused with sodium. You have to look > > for> > > > meats that are not. About 60 mg sodium per serving is naturally> > > > occurring. Anything above that is from infusion. We've found> > > > virtually no pork that is not infused.> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> >> >> >>

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I agree, we could save millions annually on helping the poor with diet and exercise if we gave beans and rice. I read about a girl from a family of 12 who ate beans and cornbread and some form of greens two meals a day her whole life. Ice cream was their treat on Christmas and the 4th of July. When she married and moved cross country she went to the dr for the first time in her life and was declared the healthiest person he had ever seen. Likewise the dentist said she had the most beautiful teeth he had ever seen. It is health food for sure, but I am sure it would be offensive to some!To: hyperaldosteronism Cc: Clarence Grim Sent: Mon, February 14, 2011 10:51:36 PMSubject: Re: Re: Skin issues?

But is it right for us to make them fat and hypertensive and give them diabetes. I think not. Of course they could raise their arms and work and buy their own food if they did not like what was offered for free.Guess you know the best way to starve many on food stamps. Hide them under their work boots.CE Grim MDSadly, I think the consumers of this type of healthy, yet "boring" diet would be up in arms about their right to "modern" food.To: hyperaldosteronism Cc: Clarence Grim Sent: Mon, February 14, 2011 9:34:37 PMSubject: Re: Re: Skin issues? It does not make ethical sense to provide food that is loaded with food borne illness to those who must use it. Would it not

be better and cheaper and healthier to provide healthy food like rice and beans/Same in prison. It is unethical to feed prisoners unhealthy food as they have not choice.Forcing them to eat stuff loaded with foodborne illness is cruel and unusual punishment.All good Republicans should be up in arms about this as the food borne illnesses maim the prisoners and we have to pay for the illnesses engendered.Not to mention that if they die before serving their complete sentence society and Republican's do not get to see them suffer enough.CE Grim MDOn Feb 14, 2011, at 7:23 PM, Francis Bill SUSPECTED PA wrote:For many this food is needed. > > > > >> > > > > Stop buying infused meat. I don't think soaking meat in water > > for> > > > a while would do much of anything. Swelling hands, difficulty> > > > breathing could be ingesting too much salt.> > > > >> > > > > Val> > > > >> > > > > From: hyperaldosteronism [mailto:hyperaldosteronism > > > > ] On Behalf Of Natalia Kamneva> > > > >> > > > > Maybe, that's the reason! Thank you, Val. If I soak the meat > > in a> > > > cold water for while, does it help? I have different symptoms that> > > > is difficult to describe. It's difficulty to breath, very > > unpleasant> > > > feeling in my stomach, fainting, bloating in my hands, feet and> > > > stomach. Something like that. And I also had couple of cases of> > > > paralysis of my upper body, neck and arms.> > > > >> > > > > I don't know for sure what caused my low blood sodium but > > probably> > > > diarrhea and diuretics, because they removed my diuretic and even> > > > after 3 months they don't give it to me back. Probably,> > > > dehydration????> > > > >> > > > > While now I am strictly on DASH, I even don't put salt to any> > > > food, I feel much better.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > _____> > > > >> > > > > From: Valarie <val@>> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Most supermarket meat is infused with sodium. You have to look > > for> > > > meats that are not. About 60 mg sodium per serving is naturally> > > > occurring. Anything

above that is from infusion. We've found> > > > virtually no pork that is not infused.> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> >> >> >>

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Well if everyone is doing it.....CE Grim MDI agree, we could save millions annually on helping the poor with diet and exercise if we gave beans and rice. I read about a girl from a family of 12 who ate beans and cornbread and some form of greens two meals a day her whole life. Ice cream was their treat on Christmas and the 4th of July. When she married and moved cross country she went to the dr for the first time in her life and was declared the healthiest person he had ever seen. Likewise the dentist said she had the most beautiful teeth he had ever seen. It is health food for sure, but I am sure it would be offensive to some!To: hyperaldosteronism Cc: Clarence Grim Sent: Mon, February 14, 2011 10:51:36 PMSubject: Re: Re: Skin issues? But is it right for us to make them fat and hypertensive and give them diabetes. I think not. Of course they could raise their arms and work and buy their own food if they did not like what was offered for free.Guess you know the best way to starve many on food stamps. Hide them under their work boots.CE Grim MDSadly, I think the consumers of this type of healthy, yet "boring" diet would be up in arms about their right to "modern" food.To: hyperaldosteronism Cc: Clarence Grim Sent: Mon, February 14, 2011 9:34:37 PMSubject: Re: Re: Skin issues? It does not make ethical sense to provide food that is loaded with food borne illness to those who must use it. Would it not be better and cheaper and healthier to provide healthy food like rice and beans/Same in prison. It is unethical to feed prisoners unhealthy food as they have not choice.Forcing them to eat stuff loaded with foodborne illness is cruel and unusual punishment.All good Republicans should be up in arms about this as the food borne illnesses maim the prisoners and we have to pay for the illnesses engendered.Not to mention that if they die before serving their complete sentence society and Republican's do not get to see them suffer enough.CE Grim MDOn Feb 14, 2011, at 7:23 PM, Francis Bill SUSPECTED PA wrote:For many this food is needed. > > > > >> > > > > Stop buying infused meat. I don't think soaking meat in water > > for> > > > a while would do much of anything. Swelling hands, difficulty> > > > breathing could be ingesting too much salt.> > > > >> > > > > Val> > > > >> > > > > From: hyperaldosteronism [mailto:hyperaldosteronism > > > > ] On Behalf Of Natalia Kamneva> > > > >> > > > > Maybe, that's the reason! Thank you, Val. If I soak the meat > > in a> > > > cold water for while, does it help? I have different symptoms that> > > > is difficult to describe. It's difficulty to breath, very > > unpleasant> > > > feeling in my stomach, fainting, bloating in my hands, feet and> > > > stomach. Something like that. And I also had couple of cases of> > > > paralysis of my upper body, neck and arms.> > > > >> > > > > I don't know for sure what caused my low blood sodium but > > probably> > > > diarrhea and diuretics, because they removed my diuretic and even> > > > after 3 months they don't give it to me back. Probably,> > > > dehydration????> > > > >> > > > > While now I am strictly on DASH, I even don't put salt to any> > > > food, I feel much better.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > _____> > > > >> > > > > From: Valarie <val@>> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Most supermarket meat is infused with sodium. You have to look > > for> > > > meats that are not. About 60 mg sodium per serving is naturally> > > > occurring. Anything above that is from infusion. We've found> > > > virtually no pork that is not infused.> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> >> >> >>Don't get soaked. Take a quick peek at the forecast with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut.

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That would be nice if those million children who also get the benefits of food

stamps could afford work boots

Re: Re: Skin issues?

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>

> It does not make ethical sense to provide food that is loaded with

> food borne illness to those who must use it. Would it not be better

> and cheaper and healthier to provide healthy food like rice and beans/

>

>

> Same in prison. It i

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And actually quite delicious prepared right (skipping the salt, butter, and

cheese)

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As I recall rice and beans and potatoes in large bags are cheap and

salt free.

CE Grim

On Feb 14, 2011, at 8:22 AM, Francis Bill SUSPECTED PA wrote:

> The problem with not buying infused meat is finding it. We have gone

> away from stores that cut there own meat to meat cutting factories

> some outside the US. Infused meat looks fresh longer. Also makes

> cheaper cuts of meat more tender.

>

> When one has limited funds many times can only afford high salt foods.

>

>

> >

> > Stop buying infused meat. I don't think soaking meat in water for

> a while would do much of anything. Swelling hands, difficulty

> breathing could be ingesting too much salt.

> >

> > Val

> >

> > From: hyperaldosteronism

[mailto:hyperaldosteronism

> ] On Behalf Of Natalia Kamneva

> >

> > Maybe, that's the reason! Thank you, Val. If I soak the meat in a

> cold water for while, does

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Food

stamp people can buy any food they want from filet of sole to macaroni and

cheese. I've watched it.. Perhaps they need to take responsibility

for themselves. We're not forcing

them to eat prepared, salty mac and cheese.

Val

Clarence Grim

But is it right for us to make them fat and hypertensive and give them

diabetes. I think not.

Of course they could raise their arms and work and buy their own food

if they did not like what was offered for free.

Guess you know the best way to starve many on food stamps.

Hide them under their work boots.

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We dont have the right to dictate what anyone eats period. that is a San

Fransirco socialist ideal that the smarter ones. . . our " leaders " who feel they

know more than others because they were " chosen " decide whats best.

though our all knowing supreme leader cant even quit smoking!

>Food stamp people can buy any food they want from filet of sole to macaroni

>and cheese. I've watched it.. Perhaps they need to take responsibility for

>themselves. We're not forcing them to eat prepared, salty mac and cheese.

>

>Val

>Clarence Grim <lowerbp2@... <mailto:lowerbp2%40mac.com> >

>

>But is it right for us to make them fat and hypertensive and give them

>diabetes. I think not.

>

>Of course they could raise their arms and work and buy their own food

>if they did not like what was offered for free.

>

>Guess you know the best way to starve many on food stamps.

>

>Hide them under their work boots.

>

>

>

>

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Mac and cheese is about a dollar . Salmon and fresh veg is about four dollars. When a person is shopping w food stamps they likely have an extremely limited budget. Also the person is probably not well and preparing fresh food isn't always an option. I have about 15 days a month that preparing food is not an option. I am just to ill. Yes I would love to have the money and the energy to prepare fresh meals. Unfortunatly poverty and lack of energy makes for less healthy options. On top of this I have to deal with prejudiced people when I present my food stamp card. Try a little compassion and education instead of snobbery and bullying. It is embarrassing to use the card. Now when I meet ppl like Val I sayI'll trade my nausea, fatigue and cancer with you anyday. Usually gets rid of their self righteous looks.

We dont have the right to dictate what anyone eats period. that is a San Fransirco socialist ideal that the smarter ones. . . our "leaders" who feel they know more than others because they were "chosen" decide whats best. though our all knowing supreme leader cant even quit smoking!

>Food stamp people can buy any food they want from filet of sole to macaroni

>and cheese. I've watched it.. Perhaps they need to take responsibility for

>themselves. We're not forcing them to eat prepared, salty mac and cheese.

>

>Val

>Clarence Grim <lowerbp2@... <mailto:lowerbp2%40mac.com> >

>

>But is it right for us to make them fat and hypertensive and give them

>diabetes. I think not.

>

>Of course they could raise their arms and work and buy their own food

>if they did not like what was offered for free.

>

>Guess you know the best way to starve many on food stamps.

>

>Hide them under their work boots.

>

>

>

>

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All I

said is that I've seen people buy filet of sole with their food stamps.  That's a choice.  I would trade my nausea, fatigue and cancer

with you any day, too.  If you have PA,

and you eat things like prepared mac and cheese, it will eventually kill you.

Val

From: hyperaldosteronism

[mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Txsgreen

Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 10:25 AM

To: hyperaldosteronism

Subject: Re: Re: Skin issues?

Mac

and cheese is about a dollar . Salmon and fresh veg is about four dollars. When

a person is shopping w food stamps they likely have an extremely limited

budget. Also the person is probably not well and preparing fresh food isn't

always an option. I have about 15 days a month that preparing food is not an

option. I am just to ill. Yes I would love to have the money and the energy to

prepare fresh meals. Unfortunatly poverty and lack of energy makes for less

healthy options. On top of this I have to deal with prejudiced people when I

present my food stamp card. Try a little compassion and education instead of

snobbery and bullying. It is embarrassing to use the card. Now when I meet ppl

like Val I say

I'll

trade my nausea, fatigue and cancer with you anyday. Usually gets rid of their

self righteous looks.

On 15 Feb 2011, at 10:32, Bingham <jlkbbk2003@... & g t; wrote:

We dont have the right to dictate what anyone

eats period. that is a San Fransirco socialist ideal that the smarter ones. . .

our " leaders " who feel they know more than others because they were

" chosen " decide whats best. though our all knowing supreme leader

cant even quit smoking!

>Food stamp people can buy any food they want from filet of sole to macaroni

>and cheese. I've watched it.. Perhaps they need to take responsibility for

>themselves. We're not forcing them to eat prepared, salty mac and cheese.

>

>Val

>Clarence Grim <lowerbp2@...

<mailto:lowerbp2%40mac.com> >

>

>But is it right for us to make them fat and hypertensive and give them

>diabetes. I think not.

>

>Of course they could raise their arms and work and buy their own food

>if they did not like what was offered for free.

>

>Guess you know the best way to starve many on food stamps.

>

>Hide them under their work boots.

>

>

>

>

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Try preparing them when you're so Ill that pouring a glass of water is exhausting. People tend to judge based on their own reality. I used to be as judgmental as you all then I had 11 surgeries and guess what lost my ability to keep a job- got on food stamps. Huge wake up call. I used to shop at farmers markets and prided myself on my cooking skills. Now I shop with 62 dollar a month budget and use coupons and only buy what's very on sale. I know my health would be better if I ate lovely fresh salads everyday. Unfortunately I can't afford them or prepare them. Rice and beans take lots of energy to prepare. Packaged prepared ones take 90 seconds. Hopefully none of you will end up like I have. But it wouldn't hurt for y'all to realize that everyone on food stamps isn't a waster. Prejudice and bias based on what? Do any of u actually know the reality of being ill and unable to work in America? Try to remember this next time you look down your nose at me. Next-time you have flu think about trying to prepare food and shop. That is how I feel most days. I'm not trying to stir things up here just wake people up to their biased uninformed ideas.

And actually quite delicious prepared right (skipping the salt, butter, and cheese)

Re: Re: Skin issues?

As I recall rice and beans and potatoes in large bags are cheap and

salt free.

CE Grim

On Feb 14, 2011, at 8:22 AM, Francis Bill SUSPECTED PA wrote:

> The problem with not buying infused meat is finding it. We have gone

> away from stores that cut there own meat to meat cutting factories

> some outside the US. Infused meat looks fresh longer. Also makes

> cheaper cuts of meat more tender.

>

> When one has limited funds many times can only afford high salt foods.

>

>

> >

> > Stop buying infused meat. I don't think soaking meat in water for

> a while would do much of anything. Swelling hands, difficulty

> breathing could be ingesting too much salt.

> >

> > Val

> >

> > From: hyperaldosteronism [mailto:hyperaldosteronism

> ] On Behalf Of Natalia Kamneva

> >

> > Maybe, that's the reason! Thank you, Val. If I soak the meat in a

> cold water for while, does

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Here here!

That would be nice if those million children who also get the benefits of food stamps could afford work boots

Re: Re: Skin issues?

>

>

> It does not make ethical sense to provide food that is loaded with

> food borne illness to those who must use it. Would it not be better

> and cheaper and healthier to provide healthy food like rice and beans/

>

>

> Same in prison. It i

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When you're poor you get what you deserve. Only people with money have a right to choice.

Can one live on just rice?

> > > > >

> > > > > Stop buying infused meat. I don't think soaking meat in water

> > for

> > > > a while would do much of anything. Swelling hands, difficulty

> > > > breathing could be ingesting too much salt.

> > > > >

> > > > > Val

> > > > >

> > > > > From: hyperaldosteronism [mailto:hyperaldosteronism

> > > > ] On Behalf Of Natalia Kamneva

> > > > >

> > > > > Maybe, that's the reason! Thank you, Val. If I soak the meat

> > in a

> > > > cold water for while, does it help? I have different symptoms that

> > > > is difficult to describe. It's difficulty to breath, very

> > unpleasant

> > > > feeling in my stomach, fainting, bloating in my hands, feet and

> > > > stomach. Something like that. And I also had couple of cases of

> > > > paralysis of my upper body, neck and arms.

> > > > >

> > > > > I don't know for sure what caused my low blood sodium but

> > probably

> > > > diarrhea and diuretics, because they removed my diuretic and even

> > > > after 3 months they don't give it to me back. Probably,

> > > > dehydration????

> > > > >

> > > > > While now I am strictly on DASH, I even don't put salt to any

> > > > food, I feel much better.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > _____

> > > > >

> > > > > From: Valarie <val@>

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Most supermarket meat is infused with sodium. You have to look

> > for

> > > > meats that are not. About 60 mg sodium per serving is naturally

> > > > occurring. Anything above that is from infusion. We've found

> > > > virtually no pork that is not infused.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

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I understand your situation. I'm a social worker and have dealt with people poor by circumstance as well as people poor by choice. It's not a good idea to stereotype people with money any more than it is to stereotype people with no money. I do not judge people based on the public benefits they receive UNLESS they are in their current situation b/c they refuse to be accountable or help themselves.

I have helped many people get on Social Security Disability and it's truly a shock to them when they realize their food stamps are getting cut off b/c they "make too much".....now take that person as opposed to the woman that keeps having children, compliments of medicaid, and utilizes those children as an excuse to not work. I've heard of perfectly capable people cutting their hours at work VOLUNTARILY b/c social services told them they made too much for food stamps.

No one should judge until they have seen for themselves another's true circumstances but we are ALL guilty of that at times.

Juli

PS. I'm NOT a social services social worker. I knew I would never get rich as a social worker but also knew I would never work for poor wages and a truly backwards welfare system!

To: "hyperaldosteronism " <hyperaldosteronism >Sent: Tue, February 15, 2011 11:50:33 AMSubject: Re: Re: Skin issues?

When you're poor you get what you deserve. Only people with money have a right to choice.

Can one live on just rice? > > > > >> > > > > Stop buying infused meat. I don't think soaking meat in water > > for> > > > a while would do much of anything. Swelling hands, difficulty> > > > breathing could be ingesting too much salt.> > > > >> > > > > Val> > >

> >> > > > > From: hyperaldosteronism [mailto:hyperaldosteronism > > > > ] On Behalf Of Natalia Kamneva> > > > >> > > > > Maybe, that's the reason! Thank you, Val. If I soak the meat > > in a> > > > cold water for while, does it help? I have different symptoms that> > >

> is difficult to describe. It's difficulty to breath, very > > unpleasant> > > > feeling in my stomach, fainting, bloating in my hands, feet and> > > > stomach. Something like that. And I also had couple of cases of> > > > paralysis of my upper body, neck and arms.> > > > >> > > > > I don't know for sure what caused my low blood sodium but > > probably> > > > diarrhea and diuretics, because they removed my diuretic and even> > > > after 3 months they don't give it to me back. Probably,> > > > dehydration????> > > > >> > > > > While now I am strictly on DASH, I even don't put salt to any> > > > food, I feel much better.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > _____> > > > >>

> > > > From: Valarie <val@>> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Most supermarket meat is infused with sodium. You have to look > > for> > > > meats that are not. About 60 mg sodium per serving is naturally> > > > occurring. Anything above that is from infusion. We've found> > > > virtually no pork that is not infused.> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> >> >> >>

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Txsgreen

I don't know what state you live in but many states have state funded nutrition programs. A nutritional expert comes to your home and educates you on the healthiest foods and ways to prep them based on your food budget. Our program in Oklahoma is through the Oklahoma State University Extension Office.

Just something to research in your area...hope that helps some.

Juli

To: hyperaldosteronism Sent: Tue, February 15, 2011 12:10:52 PMSubject: Re: Skin issues?

You could just give up in go to nursing home. Alto you most likey would be fed high salt food.Unless you try to get food stamps or have helped someone get them you don't know how hard it is to get them.> > > >> > > > Stop buying infused meat. I don't think soaking meat in water for > > > a while would do much of anything. Swelling hands, difficulty > > > breathing could be ingesting too much salt.> > > >> > > > Val> > > >> > > > From: hyperaldosteronism [mailto:hyperaldosteronism > > > ] On Behalf Of Natalia Kamneva> > > >> > > > Maybe, that's the reason! Thank you, Val. If I soak the meat in a > > > cold water for while, does > > > >>

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So the money that should be given to families in order to improve their diet, instead, goes to pocket of doctors to make them richer. No wonder the number of obeys is doubled since 1980....

Max.

I don't know what state you live in but many states have state funded nutrition programs. A nutritional expert comes to your home and educates you on the healthiest foods and ways to prep them based on your food budget. Our program in Oklahoma is through the Oklahoma State University Extension Office.

[Guest guest]

Ok, that remark threw me off. These are NOT doctors and program such as this are GRANT programs. I think you are missing the premise behind a program like this.

Juli

To: hyperaldosteronism Sent: Tue, February 15, 2011 1:01:20 PMSubject: RE: Re: Skin issues?

So the money that should be given to families in order to improve their diet, instead, goes to pocket of doctors to make them richer. No wonder the number of obeys is doubled since 1980....

Max.

I don't know what state you live in but many states have state funded nutrition programs. A nutritional expert comes to your home and educates you on the healthiest foods and ways to prep them based on your food budget. Our program in Oklahoma is through the Oklahoma State University Extension Office.

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What is testing for pheo?

What is Limo?

Many thanks,

Natalia Kamneva 66 Russian F with adrenal adenoma 1.5 sm, HTN and low renin , low aldosteron and high cortisol, K=3.4.

To: hyperaldosteronism Sent: Sat, February 12, 2011 11:31:14 PMSubject: RE: Re: Skin issues?

Tested several times - no pheo. Since being on Lyme treatment, I am on only about 38 mg spiro compared to 150 before. BP is averaging 120/70. I expect at some point, I may not need any spiro.

Val

From: hyperaldosteronism [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Bingham

Have they consideredwa pheochromocytoma. . . .look it up if u are not famaliar with it>Until I got my Lyme disease under control, even a small amount of sodium sent me into what I called the "brittles" (extreme anxiety, shakes, sweats). Extreme over-consumption of sodium gave me paralysis a couple of times. I now eat reasonable sodium. Tonight a put a little on my baked potato and felt nothing from it.> >Most supermarket meat is infused with sodium. You have to look for meats that are not. About 60 mg sodium per serving is naturally occurring. Anything above that is from infusion. We've found virtually no pork that is not infused.> >What causes low blood sodium?

[Guest guest]

Pheochromocytoma.

Lyme

disease, not Limo.

Google

them.

Val

From: hyperaldosteronism

[mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Natalia Kamneva

What

is testing for pheo?

What

is Limo?

Many

thanks,

Natalia Kamneva 66 Russian F

with adrenal adenoma 1.5 sm, HTN and low renin , low aldosteron and high

cortisol, K=3.4.

Tested several times - no

pheo. Since being on Lyme treatment, I am on only about 38 mg spiro

compared to 150 before. BP is averaging 120/70. I expect at

some point, I may not need any spiro.