Re: Re: Dilutions........now, in oil?

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<Hello Charna,

<Thanks for your reply. I did mix a couple of the sticky ones at 10% and 20%

too....I guess just to see the difference. I was <worried that I may find the

10% too mild so then I would have one a bit stronger at 20%. Don't know if that

is going to serve <me well or not but I guess it will be part of my learning

curve to find out! ;~)

<Sheree

Hello Natural Perfumers,

I am having difficulty understand the logic behind dilution percentages....

I am guessing this is because I am a nurse and dilutions with meds....

This has me perplexed - a 10% dilution (dilutant ) would give you 90% base ?

and

20% dilution would give you 80% of the base? I read by Sheree that 20%

dilution is stronger than a 10%

dilution? I am basing my logic on the total being 100% and breaking down the

resins, etc from there?

If something is only 10% diluted it is stronger? Yes / No?

Could someone please explain to me how this is possible? I have brain freeze

here!

Thank you so much

Carole

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hello Carole,

> Could someone please explain to me how this is possible? I have brain

> freeze here!

it's really simple. the percentage represent the amount of material, and

not the amount of solvent. so " oakmoss 5% " means 5% oakmoss, and thus

the other 95% is alcohol (or something else). i hope it's clear now.

best,

guido.

[Guest guest]

hello Carole,

> Could someone please explain to me how this is possible? I have brain

> freeze here!

it's really simple. the percentage represent the amount of material, and

not the amount of solvent. so " oakmoss 5% " means 5% oakmoss, and thus

the other 95% is alcohol (or something else). i hope it's clear now.

best,

guido.

[Guest guest]

<it's really simple. the percentage represent the amount of material, and

<not the amount of solvent. so " oakmoss 5% " means 5% oakmoss, and thus

<the other 95% is alcohol (or something else). i hope it's clear now.

<best,

<guido.

Thank you so much Guido! I do understand now ...

I appreciate the guidance!

Carole

[Guest guest]

> Hello Natural Perfumers,

>

> I am having difficulty understand the logic behind dilution percentages....

> I am guessing this is because I am a nurse and dilutions with meds....

>

> This has me perplexed - a 10% dilution (dilutant ) would give you 90% base

? and

> 20% dilution would give you 80% of the base? I read by Sheree that 20%

dilution is stronger than a 10%

> dilution? I am basing my logic on the total being 100% and breaking down

the resins, etc from there?

>

> If something is only 10% diluted it is stronger? Yes / No?

>

Hi Carole.....

In this stuff you think of an essence being diluted *to* a percentage of

full strength...be it 10%, 20%, etc. The base is the diluting substance...

A 10% dilution has 10% essence (say, rose otto) and 90% base....(say,

alcohol)....

A 20% dilution has 20% essence and 80% base...

Since it has twice as much essence, in effect it's twice as strong....

It sounds as though you were grabbing the terms of say a 10% dilution

was diluting it *by* 10%, but the jargon here works the other way around...

Hope that helps.....

--

W. Bourbonais

L'Hermite Aromatique

A.J.P. (GIA)

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[Guest guest]

Hi Carole.....

In this stuff you think of an essence being diluted *to* a percentage of

full strength...be it 10%, 20%, etc. The base is the diluting substance...

A 10% dilution has 10% essence (say, rose otto) and 90% base....(say,

alcohol)....

A 20% dilution has 20% essence and 80% base...

Hope that helps.....

--

W. Bourbonais

L'Hermite Aromatique

A.J.P. (GIA)

http://www.facebook.com/Le.Hermite

Yes, I am beginning to get it now! The base is a higer volume and the

base is a smaller amount!

I know that parfum bases are 20% to 30% base to alcohol/distilled water.... so

10% base is not as strong as 20% base......

When you dilute are you waiting 3 mos on the base dilution ?

Then another 3 months on the blend /alcohol as it was mentioned that Alec

Lawless does?

I suppose it would depend on the EOs and resins being used?

, Thank you for helping me here!

Carole

[Guest guest]

>Yes, I am beginning to get it now! The base is a higer volume and the

base is a smaller amount!

I know that parfum bases are 20% to 30% base to alcohol/distilled

water.... so 10% base is not as strong as 20% base......

When you dilute are you waiting 3 mos on the base dilution ?

Then another 3 months on the blend /alcohol as it was mentioned that

Alec Lawless does?

I suppose it would depend on the EOs and resins being used?

, Thank you for helping me here!

Carole

Hi Again......

Just remember the word " base " can have several different meanings,

depending how you look at things....

The term base can mean the mixtures of essences that you dilute....In

other contexts, it can also mean what you are doing the diluting with....

For example....I mostly work with alcohol, so alcohol is the base for my

perfumes...It's alcohol based.....And that's the terminology I use...

Someone else might look at their essence mixture as the 'base' for their

perfumes, and the diluent as the diluent....

And what we say is just going to be opposite....<G>...!

So...it's best to think of say, a 20% dilution as one of 20% essence and

80% diluent....

In the way I look at stuff, the 80% is the base....Which in my terms is

gonna be alcohol...The diluent...

I'm not not which way most folks look at the use of the term " base " , or

even if they use the term in different ways depending on the context...

For example, the way I read the Lawless method is that they predilute

their essences, and pre-age them, and then use them in the blends as

their essences...Eliminates the need for further dilution and maturation

periods....And that's another kinda 'base' definition, sorta...<G>....!

Just hafta be sure of the terminology...

--

W. Bourbonais

L'Hermite Aromatique

A.J.P. (GIA)

http://www.facebook.com/Le.Hermite

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Well, , I am gonna have to keep reading and keep learning! I think I

have it!

My EOs are the 'essence' and the alcohol is the diluent....

To pre-dilute the resins that are strong, I use essential oil 2% .....

I think this is right haha!

Thank you!!

Carole