Re: About weight

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You were eating too much chicken I suspect. Tiped sad Send form miiPhone ;-)May your pressure be low!CE Grim MDSpecializing in DifficultHypertension

When the doctor put me on spironolactone i went from 128lbs to gaining sixty extra lbs

The drug helps boost the potassium that we make off what we eat.I went on lettuce

and baked ckicken for 3 months and lost nothing.No one can know how a drug will

react with each individual because were all so different.I wish there was a better alter-

native to this drug.Most people with kidney problems get puffy after treatment.

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I would have to eat a hen house to gain that much weight,doctors say things like that when they really dont know.

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Dr. Grim, can you elaborate on that? Are you saying she was taking in too many

calories from chicken, or do you mean " too much " chicken and not enough variety

from other foods, or that when on spiro one needs to limit chicken?

The reason I ask is that I've found that while on antihypertensives I always

gain weight - about 10 pounds, which comes right off as soon as I stop the meds.

(I'm the one with the extremely restricted diet, so overeating isn't an issue

for me - I don't eat much to begin with!)

- msmith1928

45, female, 5'3 " , 120 lbs, 1cm left adrenal nodule, aldosterone 42.3, renin 0.5,

potassium <2.9 (when not taking supplements)

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> > When the doctor put me on spironolactone i went from 128lbs to gaining sixty

extra lbs

> > The drug helps boost the potassium that we make off what we eat.I went on

lettuce

> > and baked ckicken for 3 months and lost nothing.No one can know how a drug

will

> > react with each individual because were all so different.I wish there was a

better alter-

> > native to this drug.Most people with kidney problems get puffy after

treatment.

> >

> >

>

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Weight = calories in (Aka what u eAt and drink) - exercise burned cAlories. Very simple in concept very difficult in practice. Tiped sad Send form miiPhone ;-)May your pressure be low!CE Grim MDSpecializing in DifficultHypertension

I would have to eat a hen house to gain that much weight,doctors say things like that when they really dont know.

[Guest guest]

No you just have to eat more than u burn. Tiped sad Send form miiPhone ;-)May your pressure be low!CE Grim MDSpecializing in DifficultHypertension

I would have to eat a hen house to gain that much weight,doctors say things like that when they really dont know.

[Guest guest]

Just a bit of advice...

Weight means close to nothing, specially for people like us that have NA/K

imbalance.

Since we can retain water and lots of it, a lot of our weight can be cause of

litters and litters of water, me for instance I used to pee 2.7-3L a day when

off spiro, and of course when you are not on spiro I noticed your body works

harder, to mantain you " well " ( anxiety, tachycardia etc )

then you start with spiro all of the sudden you stop peeing your tachycardia

lowers, your anxiety lowers other body functions lower down, so basically you

use less calories.

That and the fact that you no longer pee like a horse, could mean that you could

gain " weight "

so once again the magic weight formula

weight = calorie intake - burned calories

I am quite certain at least on my case that on spiro I burn less calories ( less

tachy, less anxiety ) , and I pee a lot less now, so I guess I could retain

some water.

now the REAL way to know what's going on is not by weight, but by meassurement (

specially if you start exercising, if you trade fat for

muscle the weight of muscle is mor than the one of the fat )

so meassure yourself, if you see that your fat folds are indeed increasing then

you are gaining weight.

if you see them decreasing and the weight is the same and goes up you could be

gaining muscle mas.

if you see them decrease and the weight is more or the same, you could be

retaining water.

Also even during the day you can take your weight several times, you will see it

changes up to 5 pounds during the day.

so really again.. weight says absolutely nothing.

RS

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> When the doctor put me on spironolactone i went from 128lbs to gaining sixty

extra lbs

> The drug helps boost the potassium that we make off what we eat.I went on

lettuce

> and baked ckicken for 3 months and lost nothing.No one can know how a drug

will

> react with each individual because were all so different.I wish there was a

better alter-

> native to this drug.Most people with kidney problems get puffy after

treatment.

>

[Guest guest]

No no no ! You retain sodium sAlt and the wAter follows. Tiped sad Send form miiPhone ;-)May your pressure be low!CE Grim MDSpecializing in DifficultHypertension

Just a bit of advice...

Weight means close to nothing, specially for people like us that have NA/K imbalance.

Since we can retain water and lots of it, a lot of our weight can be cause of litters and litters of water, me for instance I used to pee 2.7-3L a day when off spiro, and of course when you are not on spiro I noticed your body works harder, to mantain you "well" ( anxiety, tachycardia etc )

then you start with spiro all of the sudden you stop peeing your tachycardia lowers, your anxiety lowers other body functions lower down, so basically you use less calories.

That and the fact that you no longer pee like a horse, could mean that you could gain "weight"

so once again the magic weight formula

weight = calorie intake - burned calories

I am quite certain at least on my case that on spiro I burn less calories ( less tachy, less anxiety ) , and I pee a lot less now, so I guess I could retain some water.

now the REAL way to know what's going on is not by weight, but by meassurement ( specially if you start exercising, if you trade fat for

muscle the weight of muscle is mor than the one of the fat )

so meassure yourself, if you see that your fat folds are indeed increasing then you are gaining weight.

if you see them decreasing and the weight is the same and goes up you could be gaining muscle mas.

if you see them decrease and the weight is more or the same, you could be retaining water.

Also even during the day you can take your weight several times, you will see it changes up to 5 pounds during the day.

so really again.. weight says absolutely nothing.

RS

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> When the doctor put me on spironolactone i went from 128lbs to gaining sixty extra lbs

> The drug helps boost the potassium that we make off what we eat.I went on lettuce

> and baked ckicken for 3 months and lost nothing.No one can know how a drug will

> react with each individual because were all so different.I wish there was a better alter-

> native to this drug.Most people with kidney problems get puffy after treatment.

>

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Too many calories from chicken. It is nearly IPossible to eatEnough lettuce to gain weight. When BP IS LOWERED with drugs other thN diurOr MCBS the pressure to your kidney fallsAnd you retain na then water follows and WT goes up. Tiped sad Send form miiPhone ;-)May your pressure be low!CE Grim MDSpecializing in DifficultHypertension

Dr. Grim, can you elaborate on that? Are you saying she was taking in too many calories from chicken, or do you mean "too much" chicken and not enough variety from other foods, or that when on spiro one needs to limit chicken?

The reason I ask is that I've found that while on antihypertensives I always gain weight - about 10 pounds, which comes right off as soon as I stop the meds.

(I'm the one with the extremely restricted diet, so overeating isn't an issue for me - I don't eat much to begin with!)

- msmith1928

45, female, 5'3", 120 lbs, 1cm left adrenal nodule, aldosterone 42.3, renin 0.5, potassium <2.9 (when not taking supplements)

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> > When the doctor put me on spironolactone i went from 128lbs to gaining sixty extra lbs

> > The drug helps boost the potassium that we make off what we eat.I went on lettuce

> > and baked ckicken for 3 months and lost nothing.No one can know how a drug will

> > react with each individual because were all so different.I wish there was a better alter-

> > native to this drug.Most people with kidney problems get puffy after treatment.

> >

> >

>

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Actually most ben houses are wood and good source of fiber. Tiped sad Send form miiPhone ;-)May your pressure be low!CE Grim MDSpecializing in DifficultHypertension

I would have to eat a hen house to gain that much weight,doctors say things like that when they really dont know.

[Guest guest]

Very rare fo this to happen. Was Spiro the only med u were in?Tiped sad Send form miiPhone ;-)May your pressure be low!CE Grim MDSpecializing in DifficultHypertension

When the doctor put me on spironolactone i went from 128lbs to gaining sixty extra lbs

The drug helps boost the potassium that we make off what we eat.I went on lettuce

and baked ckicken for 3 months and lost nothing.No one can know how a drug will

react with each individual because were all so different.I wish there was a better alter-

native to this drug.Most people with kidney problems get puffy after treatment.

[Guest guest]

Well except how much stuff you have put into ur body calories or salt. And measuring at is much more accurate and reproducible nTiped sad Send form miiPhone ;-)May your pressure be low!CE Grim MDSpecializing in DifficultHypertension

Just a bit of advice...

Weight means close to nothing, specially for people like us that have NA/K imbalance.

Since we can retain water and lots of it, a lot of our weight can be cause of litters and litters of water, me for instance I used to pee 2.7-3L a day when off spiro, and of course when you are not on spiro I noticed your body works harder, to mantain you "well" ( anxiety, tachycardia etc )

then you start with spiro all of the sudden you stop peeing your tachycardia lowers, your anxiety lowers other body functions lower down, so basically you use less calories.

That and the fact that you no longer pee like a horse, could mean that you could gain "weight"

so once again the magic weight formula

weight = calorie intake - burned calories

I am quite certain at least on my case that on spiro I burn less calories ( less tachy, less anxiety ) , and I pee a lot less now, so I guess I could retain some water.

now the REAL way to know what's going on is not by weight, but by meassurement ( specially if you start exercising, if you trade fat for

muscle the weight of muscle is mor than the one of the fat )

so meassure yourself, if you see that your fat folds are indeed increasing then you are gaining weight.

if you see them decreasing and the weight is the same and goes up you could be gaining muscle mas.

if you see them decrease and the weight is more or the same, you could be retaining water.

Also even during the day you can take your weight several times, you will see it changes up to 5 pounds during the day.

so really again.. weight says absolutely nothing.

RS

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> When the doctor put me on spironolactone i went from 128lbs to gaining sixty extra lbs

> The drug helps boost the potassium that we make off what we eat.I went on lettuce

> and baked ckicken for 3 months and lost nothing.No one can know how a drug will

> react with each individual because were all so different.I wish there was a better alter-

> native to this drug.Most people with kidney problems get puffy after treatment.

>

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Avapro-spironolactone-lisinipril

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Thats right,im country we say things different,a hen house is a good sorce of fiber.

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Thats right,im country we say things different,a hen house is a good sorce of fiber.

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first and last will not work in PA and mess up testing.Who are you? need a 1 line summaryinclude the note you are responding too please.CE Grim Avapro-spironolactone-lisinipril

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In America HENPECKED is a good source of headaches and pains in the neck!

>Thats right,im country we say things different,a hen house is a good sorce of

fiber.

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[Guest guest]

Ilene,

when you post these one-liners, we have no idea what you're talking about. You need to leave enough of the previous

post so we know what you're responding to.

I assume you understand that Avapro and Lisinipril are not good together

with PA?

Val

From: hyperaldosteronism

[mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of ilene simmons

Avapro-spironolactone-lisinipril

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If you over come being hen pecked and move up the social ladder it is called rising above your pecker.A well known sociologists term.CE Grim MDIn America HENPECKED is a good source of headaches and pains in the neck!>Thats right,im country we say things different,a hen house is a good sorce of fiber.> > > >>>

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Solution to US social problems should start by abandoning present obsolete method of elections and replace it by 21st century method in which there is NO nomination, no canvassing and all can be equally elected as representatives of people ...present old method allows reps of XLarge corporations to dominate law making and all lower levels...age of maturity of mankind requires that if a person indicates slightly that s/he is interested to be elected to office, s/he should be eliminated from the electoral list!!! heheheh good dreams!...but with all the low-life people placed in office as our representatives we cannot expect more than this mess!

Max.

||In America HENPECKED is a good source of headaches and pains|in the neck!||||>Thats right,im country we say things different,a hen house is a good|>sorce of fiber.|> |> |>

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I think we could do this on Facebook even? ;-)CE Grim MDSolution to US social problems should start by abandoning present obsolete method of elections and replace it by 21st century method in which there is NO nomination, no canvassing and all can be equally elected as representatives of people ...present old method allows reps of XLarge corporations to dominate law making and all lower levels...age of maturity of mankind requires that if a person indicates slightly that s/he is interested to be elected to office, s/he should be eliminated from the electoral list!!! heheheh good dreams!...but with all the low-life people placed in office as our representatives we cannot expect more than this mess!Max.||In America HENPECKED is a good source of headaches and pains|in the neck!||||>Thats right,im country we say things different,a hen house is a good|>sorce of fiber.|> |> |>

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Touche

>If you over come being hen pecked and move up the social ladder it is called

rising above your pecker.

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Maybe that should be non-touche´?CE Grim MDTouche>If you over come being hen pecked and move up the social ladder it is called rising above your pecker.>>A well known sociologists term.>>CE Grim MD>>>>> In America HENPECKED is a good source of headaches and pains in the neck!>> >> >> >> >Thats right,im country we say things different,a hen house is a good sorce of fiber.>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >

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Those

" low lifes " are in office because we put them there, either through

choice (except Chicago and Boulder, CO) or through apathy

Val

From: hyperaldosteronism [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ]

On Behalf Of StudyCircle

but with all the low-life

people placed in office as our representatives we cannot expect more than this

mess!

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We are surely the guilty ones. Well except I voted right-make that center.CEThose "low lifes" are in office because we put them there, either through choice (except Chicago and Boulder, CO) or through apathy Val From: hyperaldosteronism [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of StudyCirclebut with all the low-life people placed in office as our representatives we cannot expect more than this mess!

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You put them is office is an illusion...you put in office a handful of low-lifes selected for you...hence all you do is having the option of chossing between low-life(1)....low-life(2).....low-life(n-1) and all those low-lifes are selected by the XL corporations.....you call that democracy?

Max.

Those "low lifes" are in office because we put them there, either through choice (except Chicago and Boulder, CO) or through apathy

Val