RE: Thyroid Tests Comparison

[Guest guest]

First, what is DEXA?

I also do a lot of reseraching and talk to my doctor who is very open minded, but I would never think of having the tests done on my own and then buying meds for them. So many things are wrong with that idea. I would not know how to get some meds especially  without an written RX

Pam

 

I don't assume anything.  I do my own reading and tell them what I want.  Sometimes, I just go get my own tests and buy my own meds.  They kept me sick for far too long.  Three years ago, I went to a very nice GP.  I was shaking, weak, barely able to talk.  My BP was raging and my arrhythmias were terrible.  She said she'd never heard of PA and ordered a DEXA, mammogram and flu shot.

 

Val

 

From: hyperaldosteronism [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Bingham

 

I do. i assumed my colleagues were testing mine for a year when i was so sick but were not. I routinely and always have screened men. It wasnt until near total collapse they found it rite in front of them in me.

>You are part of the medical community. Why doesn't your community test men?> >Val> >From: hyperaldosteronism

>[mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Bingham>>>You keep mentioning hypothyroid and the reason i feel is this odd health

>dynamic between men and women. To many women ALL weight gain, hair loss, etc>is " hormones " particularly thyroid, no matter if shes had 4 kids and is 35>yo. Men typically are not offered the hormone defense.

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[Guest guest]

If you have enough money or GREAT insurance, changing docs is not a given. We

often deal with massive egos who do not want to hear what we have to say. For

many getting any word in in 15 mins is not easy. the intimidation factor is

huge. It is not right but imagine if you are naturally shy?

THIS, to me, is a major area for improvement

>I don't assume anything. I do my own reading and tell them what I want.

>Sometimes, I just go get my own tests and buy my own meds. They kept me

>sick for far too long. Three years ago, I went to a very nice GP. I was

>shaking, weak, barely able to talk. My BP was raging and my arrhythmias

>were terrible. She said she'd never heard of PA and ordered a DEXA,

>mammogram and flu shot.

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>Val

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>From: hyperaldosteronism

>[mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Bingham

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>I do. i assumed my colleagues were testing mine for a year when i was so

>sick but were not. I routinely and always have screened men. It wasnt until

>near total collapse they found it rite in front of them in me.

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>>You are part of the medical community. Why doesn't your community test men?

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>>Val

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>>From: hyperaldosteronism

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>>[mailto:hyperaldosteronism

><mailto:hyperaldosteronism%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Bingham

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>>You keep mentioning hypothyroid and the reason i feel is this odd health

>>dynamic between men and women. To many women ALL weight gain, hair loss,

>etc

>>is " hormones " particularly thyroid, no matter if shes had 4 kids and is 35

>>yo. Men typically are not offered the hormone defense.

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[Guest guest]

Dual-emission X-ray absorptiometry (DXA,

previously DEXA). I forgot to mention

that in addition to DEXA, mammogram and a flu shot, she wanted me to get

Lipitor and Fosamax. She was a graduate of Harvard Medical and had never heard

of PA.

Val

From: hyperaldosteronism

[mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Pam Scriber

First,

what is DEXA?

I

also do a lot of reseraching and talk to my doctor who is very open minded, but

I would never think of having the tests done on my own and then buying meds for

them. So many things are wrong with that idea. I would not know how to get some

meds especially without an written RX

Pam

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Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 2:22 PM, Valarie

wrote:

I

don't assume anything. I do my own reading and tell them what I

want. Sometimes, I just go get my own tests and buy my own meds.

They kept me sick for far too long. Three years ago, I went to a very

nice GP. I was shaking, weak, barely able to talk. My BP was raging

and my arrhythmias were terrible. She said she'd never heard of PA and

ordered a DEXA, mammogram and flu shot.

Val

From: hyperaldosteronism [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ]

On Behalf Of Bingham

I do. i assumed my colleagues were testing mine for a year when i

was so sick but were not. I routinely and always have screened men. It wasnt

until near total collapse they found it rite in front of them in me.

[Guest guest]

Hmmm never seen these guidelines. CE Grim MDOn Feb 26, 2011, at 11:11 AM, Francis Bill SUSPECTED PA wrote:From the medlineplus information.Normal values for tsh are 0.4 - 4.0 mIU/L.However, those without signs or symptoms of an underactive thyroid who have a TSH value over 2.0 mIU/L but normal T4 levels may develop hypothyroidism in the future. This is called subclinical hypothyroidism (mildly underactive thyroid) or early-stage hypothyroidism. Anyone with a TSH value above this level should be followed very closely by a doctor.If you are being treated for a thyroid disorder, your TSH level should be between 0.5 and 3.0 mIU/L.By this information any one with TSH over 2 should have other testing done. > > > You are part of the medical community. Why doesn't your community test men?> > > > > > > > Val> > > > > > > > From: hyperaldosteronism [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Bingham> > > > > > You keep mentioning hypothyroid and the reason i feel is this odd health dynamic between men and women. To many women ALL weight gain, hair loss, etc is "hormones" particularly thyroid, no matter if shes had 4 kids and is 35 yo. Men typically are not offered the hormone defense.> > > > > > > >>

[Guest guest]

ALSO TO dx hyper one needs to be sure lab is doing the supersensitive TSH test. Not the older one.CE Grim MDAnd low TSH too! (hyperthyroidism) as it is more rapidly dangerous and has a significant mortality to itOn Sat Feb 26th, 2011 12:11 PM CST Francis Bill SUSPECTED PA wrote:>From the medlineplus information.>>Normal values for tsh are 0.4 - 4.0 mIU/L.>>However, those without signs or symptoms of an underactive thyroid who have a TSH value over 2.0 mIU/L but normal T4 levels may develop hypothyroidism in the future. This is called subclinical hypothyroidism (mildly underactive thyroid) or early-stage hypothyroidism. Anyone with a TSH value above this level should be followed very closely by a doctor.>>If you are being treated for a thyroid disorder, your TSH level should be between 0.5 and 3.0 mIU/L.>>By this information any one with TSH over 2 should have other testing done. >>>>> >> > You are part of the medical community. Why doesn't your community test men?>> > >> > >> > >> > Val>> > >> > >> > >> > From: hyperaldosteronism [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Bingham>> > >> > >> > You keep mentioning hypothyroid and the reason i feel is this odd health dynamic between men and women. To many women ALL weight gain, hair loss, etc is "hormones" particularly thyroid, no matter if shes had 4 kids and is 35 yo. Men typically are not offered the hormone defense.>> > >> > >> > >> >>>>>

[Guest guest]

As medlineplus is part of NIH it would be there guidelines.

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[Guest guest]

A smattering of research to debunk the

misperception that T3 is irrelevant "

Val.

Alevizaki

M, Synetou M, Xynos K, Pappa T, Vemmos KN

Low triiodothyronine: a strong predictor of outcome in acute

stroke patients. [Journal Article]

Eur J Clin Invest 2007 Aug; 37(8):651-7.

A high proportion of patients with

acute stroke were found soon after the event with low T3 values. The low-T3

syndrome is an independent predictor of early and late survival in patients

with acute stroke, and predicts handicap at 1 year.

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Hiroi Y, Kim HH, Ying H, Furuya F, Huang Z, Simoncini T,

Noma K, Ueki K, Nguyen NH, Scanlan TS, Moskowitz MA, Cheng SY, Liao JK. Rapid

nongenomic actions of thyroid hormone. Proc Natl Acad Sci USA 2006;103:14104-9

The conclusions of the study. T3 rapidly increases

nitric acid synthase activity and nitric oxide production in blood vessels,

which causes dilatation of the vessels, increased cerebral blood flow, and

decreased brain injury after cerebral artery occlusion in mice.

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Pepene CE, Kasperk CH,

Pfeilschifter J, Borcsok I, Gozariu L, Ziegler R, Seck T. Effects of

triiodothyronine on the insulin-like growth factor system in primary human

osteoblastic cells in vitro. Bone 2001;29:540-6.

In osteoblasts T3 increases IGF-I receptors and increases

the ability of IGF-I to stimulate proliferation of the cells. These results

help to explain why children with hypothyroidism grow poorly.

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Alessandro Pingitore, Elena Galli, Barison,

lisa Iervasi, Scarlattini, e Nucci, L’Abbate,

Rita tti and Giorgio Iervasi

Journal of Clinical

Endocrinology & Metabolism, doi:10.1210/jc.2007-2210

The

Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism Vol. 93, No. 4 1351-1358

Copyright © 2008 by The Endocrine Society

After T3 administration,

free T3 concentrations increased until reaching a plateau

at 24–48 h (3.43, 3.20–3.84 vs. 1.74,

1.62–1.93 pg/ml; P = 0.03) without side effects. Heart rate decreased

significantly after T3 infusion (63, 60–66 vs.

69, 60–76 beats per minute; P = 0.008). Plasma noradrenaline (347;

270–740 vs. 717, 413–808 pg/ml; P = 0.009), N-terminal

pro-B-Type natriuretic peptide (3000, 438-4005 vs. 3940,

528-5628 pg/ml; P = 0.02), and aldosterone (175, 152–229 vs.

231, 154–324 pg/ml; P = 0.047) significantly decreased after

T3 administration. Neurohormonal profile did not change after

placebo infusion in the control group. After synthetic L-T3 administration, left-ventricular

end-diastolic volume (142, 132–161 vs. 133,

114–158 ml/m2 body surface; P = 0.02) and

stroke volume (40, 34–44 vs. 35, 28–39 ml/m2

body surface; P = 0.01) increased, whereas external and intracardiac

workload did not change.