RE: Thyroid Tests Comparison

[Guest guest]

A 62%

rate of diagnosing hypothyroidism? 

That's not much better than a coin toss. 

The problem is all the mainstream theories is that they look at T4 ($ynthroid)

and assume everyone converts perfectly to T3. 

Everyone does not.  T3 is rarely

considered.  My T3 is extraordinarily

low.  Low T3 is a survival risk factor in

heart attack or stroke.

Max,

do you have any thyroid dysfunction?  If

not, I understand why you are posting this outdated and damaging data.  There is much more involved than diagnosing

hypothyroidism.  There is the little

issue of making someone healthy again.

Val

From: hyperaldosteronism

[mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of StudyCircle

Suzanne

Kann said:

" I

SO disagree with this that I could poke my eyes out!!!!! Where is the FREE t3??? It is the ACTIVE thyroid hormone is on our

bodies, it's in every cell of our being! Just because we have plenty of t4

doesn't mean we are CONVERTING it properly!!! "

NHANES

2007-2008 data shows that Free Thyroxine

has a higher probability (62.5%) of diagnosing thyroid problems as

displayed in this statistical analysis ROC:

Max.

61M L adenoma by NP59 scan. High aldos

not low renin. med combo #75={Spiro=100, Amlo=10, Indap=2.5, Ramip=5,

Metf=1000, Prav=40, Feno=67, K.cl=120 mEq}

[Guest guest]

Val,

I did not intend to upload but Dr. Grim asked for uploading the info on thyroid. If you don't like any one of them feel free to delete them...because I am neither a thyroid expert at all nor have any clue on what thyroid is doing in body!

Also I am sorry to see Suzanne Kann left because she seems to have authentic info on thyroid that would be be useful for all.

From ROC graphs I understand that diagnosing thyroid problems seems to be very tricky and many accurate tests are needed with proper interpretation of effecting factors mentioned in documents of thyroid.org. If you think 62% is bad then check out AVS ROC stat results...it is not much better than this!

Max.

A 62% rate of diagnosing hypothyroidism? That's not much better than a coin toss. The problem is all the mainstream theories is that they look at T4 ($ynthroid) and assume everyone converts perfectly to T3. Everyone does not. T3 is rarely considered. My T3 is extraordinarily low. Low T3 is a survival risk factor in heart attack or stroke.

Max, do you have any thyroid dysfunction? If not, I understand why you are posting this outdated and damaging data. There is much more involved than diagnosing hypothyroidism. There is the little issue of making someone healthy again.

Val

[Guest guest]

Your information

may be okay for many people, but for some, it is deadly wrong.

Val

From: hyperaldosteronism

[mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of StudyCircle

Val,

I did not intend to upload but Dr. Grim asked for uploading the

info on thyroid. If you don't like any one of them feel free to delete

them...because I am neither a thyroid expert at all nor have any clue on

what thyroid is doing in body!

Also I am sorry to see Suzanne Kann left because she seems to have

authentic info on thyroid that would be be useful for all.

From ROC graphs I understand that diagnosing thyroid problems seems

to be very tricky and many accurate tests are needed with proper interpretation

of effecting factors mentioned in documents of thyroid.org. If you think 62% is

bad then check out AVS ROC stat results...it is not much better than

this!

Max.

A 62% rate of diagnosing hypothyroidism? That's

not much better than a coin toss. The problem is all the mainstream

theories is that they look at T4 ($ynthroid) and assume everyone converts

perfectly to T3. Everyone does not. T3 is rarely considered.

My T3 is extraordinarily low. Low T3 is a survival risk factor in

heart attack or stroke.

Max, do you have any thyroid dysfunction? If

not, I understand why you are posting this outdated and damaging data. There

is much more involved than diagnosing hypothyroidism. There is the little

issue of making someone healthy again.

Val

..

[Guest guest]

And for some deadly right. Tiped sad Send form miiPhone ;-)May your pressure be low!CE Grim MDSpecializing in DifficultHypertension

Your information

may be okay for many people, but for some, it is deadly wrong.

Val

From: hyperaldosteronism

[mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of StudyCircle

Val,

I did not intend to upload but Dr. Grim asked for uploading the

info on thyroid. If you don't like any one of them feel free to delete

them...because I am neither a thyroid expert at all nor have any clue on

what thyroid is doing in body!

Also I am sorry to see Suzanne Kann left because she seems to have

authentic info on thyroid that would be be useful for all.

From ROC graphs I understand that diagnosing thyroid problems seems

to be very tricky and many accurate tests are needed with proper interpretation

of effecting factors mentioned in documents of thyroid.org. If you think 62% is

bad then check out AVS ROC stat results...it is not much better than

this!

Max.

A 62% rate of diagnosing hypothyroidism? That's

not much better than a coin toss. The problem is all the mainstream

theories is that they look at T4 ($ynthroid) and assume everyone converts

perfectly to T3. Everyone does not. T3 is rarely considered.

My T3 is extraordinarily low. Low T3 is a survival risk factor in

heart attack or stroke.

Max, do you have any thyroid dysfunction? If

not, I understand why you are posting this outdated and damaging data. There

is much more involved than diagnosing hypothyroidism. There is the little

issue of making someone healthy again.

Val

..

[Guest guest]

But u recall she was using body temp to Dx thyroid response (Kahn). Believe it or not. Tiped sad Send form miiPhone ;-)May your pressure be low!CE Grim MDSpecializing in DifficultHypertension

Val,

I did not intend to upload but Dr. Grim asked for uploading the info on thyroid. If you don't like any one of them feel free to delete them...because I am neither a thyroid expert at all nor have any clue on what thyroid is doing in body!

Also I am sorry to see Suzanne Kann left because she seems to have authentic info on thyroid that would be be useful for all.

From ROC graphs I understand that diagnosing thyroid problems seems to be very tricky and many accurate tests are needed with proper interpretation of effecting factors mentioned in documents of thyroid.org. If you think 62% is bad then check out AVS ROC stat results...it is not much better than this!

Max.

A 62% rate of diagnosing hypothyroidism? That's not much better than a coin toss. The problem is all the mainstream theories is that they look at T4 ($ynthroid) and assume everyone converts perfectly to T3. Everyone does not. T3 is rarely considered. My T3 is extraordinarily low. Low T3 is a survival risk factor in heart attack or stroke.

Max, do you have any thyroid dysfunction? If not, I understand why you are posting this outdated and damaging data. There is much more involved than diagnosing hypothyroidism. There is the little issue of making someone healthy again.

Val

[Guest guest]

I though the info about BOB Was enlightening myself. And think it belongs in our thyroid folder as people still seem to follow this method. Tiped sad Send form miiPhone ;-)May your pressure be low!CE Grim MDSpecializing in DifficultHypertension

Val,

I did not intend to upload but Dr. Grim asked for uploading the info on thyroid. If you don't like any one of them feel free to delete them...because I am neither a thyroid expert at all nor have any clue on what thyroid is doing in body!

Also I am sorry to see Suzanne Kann left because she seems to have authentic info on thyroid that would be be useful for all.

From ROC graphs I understand that diagnosing thyroid problems seems to be very tricky and many accurate tests are needed with proper interpretation of effecting factors mentioned in documents of thyroid.org. If you think 62% is bad then check out AVS ROC stat results...it is not much better than this!

Max.

A 62% rate of diagnosing hypothyroidism? That's not much better than a coin toss. The problem is all the mainstream theories is that they look at T4 ($ynthroid) and assume everyone converts perfectly to T3. Everyone does not. T3 is rarely considered. My T3 is extraordinarily low. Low T3 is a survival risk factor in heart attack or stroke.

Max, do you have any thyroid dysfunction? If not, I understand why you are posting this outdated and damaging data. There is much more involved than diagnosing hypothyroidism. There is the little issue of making someone healthy again.

Val

[Guest guest]

I believe a good Dr looks at more then Labs. Labs are sometimes wrong or lab

ranges are near the low or high ends may not be normal for every one.

Many SX get over looked by many Dr just because labs tell them every thing is

normal.

>

> > Val,

> >

> > I did not intend to upload but Dr. Grim asked for uploading the info on

thyroid. If you don't like any one of them feel free to delete them...because I

am neither a thyroid expert at all nor have any clue on what thyroid is doing in

body!

> >

> > Also I am sorry to see Suzanne Kann left because she seems to have authentic

info on thyroid that would be be useful for all.

> >

> > From ROC graphs I understand that diagnosing thyroid problems seems to be

very tricky and many accurate tests are needed with proper interpretation of

effecting factors mentioned in documents of thyroid.org. If you think 62% is bad

then check out AVS ROC stat results...it is not much better than this!

> >

> > Max.

> >

> > A 62% rate of diagnosing hypothyroidism? That's not much better than a coin

toss. The problem is all the mainstream theories is that they look at T4

($ynthroid) and assume everyone converts perfectly to T3. Everyone does not.

T3 is rarely considered. My T3 is extraordinarily low. Low T3 is a survival

risk factor in heart attack or stroke.

> >

> > Max, do you have any thyroid dysfunction? If not, I understand why you are

posting this outdated and damaging data. There is much more involved than

diagnosing hypothyroidism. There is the little issue of making someone healthy

again.

> >

> > Val

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

You keep mentioning hypothyroid and the reason i feel is this odd health

dynamic between men and women. To many women ALL weight gain, hair loss, etc is

" hormones " particularly thyroid, no matter if shes had 4 kids and is 35 yo.

Men typically are not offered the hormone defense.

>

>Your information may be okay for many people, but for some, it is deadly wrong.

>

>Val

>

>From: hyperaldosteronism

[mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of StudyCircle

>

>Val,

>

>I did not intend to upload but Dr. Grim asked for uploading the info on

thyroid. If you don't like any one of them feel free to delete them...because I

am neither a thyroid expert at all nor have any clue on what thyroid is doing in

body!

>

>Also I am sorry to see Suzanne Kann left because she seems to have authentic

info on thyroid that would be be useful for all.

>

>From ROC graphs I understand that diagnosing thyroid problems seems to be very

tricky and many accurate tests are needed with proper interpretation of

effecting factors mentioned in documents of thyroid.org. If you think 62% is bad

then check out AVS ROC stat results...it is not much better than this!

>

>Max.

>

>A 62% rate of diagnosing hypothyroidism? That's not much better than a coin

toss. The problem is all the mainstream theories is that they look at T4

($ynthroid) and assume everyone converts perfectly to T3. Everyone does not.

T3 is rarely considered. My T3 is extraordinarily low. Low T3 is a survival

risk factor in heart attack or stroke.

>Max, do you have any thyroid dysfunction? If not, I understand why you are

posting this outdated and damaging data. There is much more involved than

diagnosing hypothyroidism. There is the little issue of making someone healthy

again.

>Val

>.

>

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>

[Guest guest]

Ive had to tell many a patient and their wives, that " men have thyroids too! "

now that i am getting healthy again and back to work again i am going to

finish the last of my PhD and i think i may research how many men, when they

complain of fatigue get their thyroids checked as opposed to women who have

same complaint

>

>Your information may be okay for many people, but for some, it is deadly wrong.

>

>Val

>

>From: hyperaldosteronism

[mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of StudyCircle

>

>Val,

>

>I did not intend to upload but Dr. Grim asked for uploading the info on

thyroid. If you don't like any one of them feel free to delete them...because I

am neither a thyroid expert at all nor have any clue on what thyroid is doing in

body!

>

>Also I am sorry to see Suzanne Kann left because she seems to have authentic

info on thyroid that would be be useful for all.

>

>From ROC graphs I understand that diagnosing thyroid problems seems to be very

tricky and many accurate tests are needed with proper interpretation of

effecting factors mentioned in documents of thyroid.org. If you think 62% is bad

then check out AVS ROC stat results...it is not much better than this!

>

>Max.

>

>A 62% rate of diagnosing hypothyroidism? That's not much better than a coin

toss. The problem is all the mainstream theories is that they look at T4

($ynthroid) and assume everyone converts perfectly to T3. Everyone does not.

T3 is rarely considered. My T3 is extraordinarily low. Low T3 is a survival

risk factor in heart attack or stroke.

>Max, do you have any thyroid dysfunction? If not, I understand why you are

posting this outdated and damaging data. There is much more involved than

diagnosing hypothyroidism. There is the little issue of making someone healthy

again.

>Val

>.

>

<http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=7299303/grpspId=1705132763/msgId=274\

85/stime=1298703100/nc1=3848643/nc2=5191946/nc3=5191951>

>

[Guest guest]

BTW, HYPERthyroidism is much more dangerous in the short term, but gets less

publicity because the weight gain and lack of energy associated with hypo. . .

especially with women. another

caveat. . .synthroid and armour act similar to a stimulant. so many LIKE it and

will not stop it even when TSH gets criticaly low.

>A 62% rate of diagnosing hypothyroidism? That's not much better than a coin

toss. The problem is all the mainstream theories is that they look at T4

($ynthroid) and assume everyone converts perfectly to T3. Everyone does not.

T3 is rarely considered. My T3 is extraordinarily low. Low T3 is a survival

risk factor in heart attack or stroke.

>

>Max, do you have any thyroid dysfunction? If not, I understand why you are

posting this outdated and damaging data. There is much more involved than

diagnosing hypothyroidism. There is the little issue of making someone healthy

again.

>

>Val

>

>From: hyperaldosteronism

[mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of StudyCircle

>

>Suzanne Kann said:

>

> " I SO disagree with this that I could poke my eyes out!!!!! Where is the FREE

t3??? It is the ACTIVE thyroid hormone is on our bodies, it's in every cell of

our being! Just because we have plenty of t4 doesn't mean we are CONVERTING it

properly!!! "

>NHANES 2007-2008 data shows that Free Thyroxine has a higher probability

(62.5%) of diagnosing thyroid problems as displayed in this statistical analysis

ROC:

> http://members.shaw.ca/studycircle/images/Thyroid-ROC1.png

>

> Max.

>61M L adenoma by NP59 scan. High aldos not low renin. med combo

#75={Spiro=100, Amlo=10, Indap=2.5, Ramip=5, Metf=1000, Prav=40, Feno=67,

K.cl=120 mEq}

>

>

[Guest guest]

That's

B.S., . Thyroid is a stimulant

enough to me enough that I can get off the couch. Hypo gets much more notice because it is

more common. It is your mainstream

dogma that has pushed women into the thyroid underground.

Val

From: hyperaldosteronism

[mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Bingham

BTW, HYPERthyroidism is much more dangerous in

the short term, but gets less publicity because the weight gain and lack of

energy associated with hypo. . . especially with women. another caveat. .

..synthroid and armour act similar to a stimulant. so many LIKE it and will not

stop it even when TSH gets criticaly low.

>A 62% rate of diagnosing hypothyroidism? That's not much better than a coin

toss. The problem is all the mainstream theories is that they look at T4

($ynthroid) and assume everyone converts perfectly to T3. Everyone does not. T3

is rarely considered. My T3 is extraordinarily low. Low T3 is a survival risk

factor in heart attack or stroke.

>

>Max, do you have any thyroid dysfunction? If not, I understand why you are

posting this outdated and damaging data. There is much more involved than

diagnosing hypothyroidism. There is the little issue of making someone healthy

again.

>

>Val

>

>From: hyperaldosteronism

[mailto:hyperaldosteronism ]

On Behalf Of StudyCircle

>

>Suzanne Kann said:

>

> " I SO disagree with this that I could poke my eyes out!!!!! Where is

the FREE t3??? It is the ACTIVE thyroid hormone is on our bodies, it's in every

cell of our being! Just because we have plenty of t4 doesn't mean we are

CONVERTING it properly!!! "

>NHANES 2007-2008 data shows that Free Thyroxine has a higher probability

(62.5%) of diagnosing thyroid problems as displayed in this statistical

analysis ROC:

> http://members.shaw.ca/studycircle/images/Thyroid-ROC1.png

>

> Max.

>61M L adenoma by NP59 scan. High aldos not low renin. med combo

#75={Spiro=100, Amlo=10, Indap=2.5, Ramip=5, Metf=1000, Prav=40, Feno=67,

K.cl=120 mEq}

>

>

[Guest guest]

You

are part of the medical community. Why

doesn't your community test men?

Val

From: hyperaldosteronism

[mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Bingham

You keep mentioning hypothyroid and the reason i feel is

this odd health dynamic between men and women. To many women ALL weight gain,

hair loss, etc is " hormones " particularly thyroid, no matter if shes

had 4 kids and is 35 yo. Men typically are not offered the hormone defense.

[Guest guest]

I test all men with by measuring TSH.IN THE Va clinic. After HTN 80% , DM 30%, HIGH LIPIDS 30%AND PRostate hypo was the most common endocrine disease I saw in 4 months. 2 ca thyroid 1 Graves dz. Tiped sad Send form miiPhone ;-)May your pressure be low!CE Grim MDSpecializing in DifficultHypertension

You

are part of the medical community. Why

doesn't your community test men?

Val

From: hyperaldosteronism

[mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Bingham

You keep mentioning hypothyroid and the reason i feel is

this odd health dynamic between men and women. To many women ALL weight gain,

hair loss, etc is "hormones" particularly thyroid, no matter if shes

had 4 kids and is 35 yo. Men typically are not offered the hormone defense.

[Guest guest]

I test all men with by measuring TSH.IN THE Va clinic. After HTN 80% , DM 30%, HIGH LIPIDS 30%AND PRostate hypo was the most common endocrine disease I saw in 4 months. 2 ca thyroid 1 Graves dz. Tiped sad Send form miiPhone ;-)May your pressure be low!CE Grim MDSpecializing in DifficultHypertension

You

are part of the medical community. Why

doesn't your community test men?

Val

From: hyperaldosteronism

[mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Bingham

You keep mentioning hypothyroid and the reason i feel is

this odd health dynamic between men and women. To many women ALL weight gain,

hair loss, etc is "hormones" particularly thyroid, no matter if shes

had 4 kids and is 35 yo. Men typically are not offered the hormone defense.

[Guest guest]

From the medlineplus information.

Normal values for tsh are 0.4 - 4.0 mIU/L.

However, those without signs or symptoms of an underactive thyroid who have a

TSH value over 2.0 mIU/L but normal T4 levels may develop hypothyroidism in the

future. This is called subclinical hypothyroidism (mildly underactive thyroid)

or early-stage hypothyroidism. Anyone with a TSH value above this level should

be followed very closely by a doctor.

If you are being treated for a thyroid disorder, your TSH level should be

between 0.5 and 3.0 mIU/L.

By this information any one with TSH over 2 should have other testing done.

>

> > You are part of the medical community. Why doesn't your community test men?

> >

> >

> >

> > Val

> >

> >

> >

> > From: hyperaldosteronism

[mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Bingham

> >

> >

> > You keep mentioning hypothyroid and the reason i feel is this odd health

dynamic between men and women. To many women ALL weight gain, hair loss, etc is

" hormones " particularly thyroid, no matter if shes had 4 kids and is 35 yo. Men

typically are not offered the hormone defense.

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Suzanne,

Glad to hear from you again. I am very disappointed that you left us at the start of a great debate on thyroid diagnostic tests while your main debates were the reason for me to start my research on thyroid test quantities and relate them to condition of patients. For example in the following ROC graph it is apparent that TSH at a low prob=0.484 cannot properly distinguishes thyroid problems and that's what you said frequently...but all that my doc did was a TSH test and said I was OK heheheheh now if I go to a doc for thyroid I know how many tests need be done!

We all appreciate your research on thyroid and are benefiting from sharing of the info and knowledge of all members of the Hyperaldosteronism Group and wish you the best and hope to see you again aboard making outrageous debates that wakes us up to learn more by our personal research as well as from all the medical experts in the Group.

Best regards,

Max.

Re: Thyroid Tests Comparison

IF they had used triiodothyronie (t3)in this study perhaps they would have had gotten a higher

probability.Sent from my iPad

Suzanne Kann said:

"I SO disagree with this that I could poke my eyes out!!!!! Where is the FREE t3??? It is the ACTIVE thyroid hormone is on our bodies, it's in every cell of our being! Just because we have plenty of t4 doesn't mean we are CONVERTING it properly!!!"

NHANES 2007-2008 data shows that Free Thyroxine has a higher probability (62.5%) of diagnosing thyroid problems as displayed in this statistical analysis ROC:

Max.

61M L adenoma by NP59 scan. High aldos not low renin. med combo #75={Spiro=100, Amlo=10, Indap=2.5, Ramip=5, Metf=1000, Prav=40, Feno=67, K.cl=120 mEq}

[Guest guest]

What

happens if the pituitary is not functioning properly.  Do you miss those?

Val

From: hyperaldosteronism

[mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Clarence Grim

I

test all men with by measuring TSH.

[Guest guest]

What

happens if the pituitary is not functioning properly.  Do you miss those?

Val

From: hyperaldosteronism

[mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Clarence Grim

I

test all men with by measuring TSH.

[Guest guest]

i know u do Dr G, but i am going tn get the docs and my fellow PA-Cs UTD

especially on pa.. . . . . . starting with me

>What happens if the pituitary is not functioning properly. Do you miss those?

>

>Val

>

>From: hyperaldosteronism

[mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Clarence Grim

>

>I test all men with by measuring TSH.

[Guest guest]

i know u do Dr G, but i am going tn get the docs and my fellow PA-Cs UTD

especially on pa.. . . . . . starting with me

>What happens if the pituitary is not functioning properly. Do you miss those?

>

>Val

>

>From: hyperaldosteronism

[mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Clarence Grim

>

>I test all men with by measuring TSH.

[Guest guest]

Passion is important in a good debate, but when it is the ONLY thing driving a

debate then it stumbles. i think passions run high and did a bit much in

Suzannes thyroid discussions. i do understand though. Yet we all have

our personal anecdotal evidence and horror stories about PA and thyroid, but

like the discussions everyone is different

>Dear Suzanne,

>

>Glad to hear from you again. I am very disappointed that you left us at the

>start of a great debate on thyroid diagnostic tests while your main debates

>were the reason for me to start my research on thyroid test quantities and

>relate them to condition of patients. For example in the following ROC graph

>it is apparent that TSH at a low prob=0.484 cannot properly distinguishes

>thyroid problems and that's what you said frequently...but all that my doc

>did was a TSH test and said I was OK heheheheh now if I go to a doc for

>thyroid I know how many tests need be done!

>

>We all appreciate your research on thyroid and are benefiting from sharing

>of the info and knowledge of all members of the Hyperaldosteronism Group and

>wish you the best and hope to see you again aboard making outrageous debates

>that wakes us up to learn more by our personal research as well as from all

>the medical experts in the Group.

>

>Best regards,

>Max.

>

>

> Re: Thyroid Tests Comparison

>

>

>IF they had used triiodothyronie (t3)in this study perhaps they would have

>had gotten a higher

>probability.

>

>Sent from my iPad

>

>

>

>

>

>

>Suzanne Kann said:

>

>

>

> " I SO disagree with this that I could poke my eyes out!!!!! Where is the

>FREE t3??? It is the ACTIVE thyroid hormone is on our bodies, it's in every

>cell of our being! Just because we have plenty of t4 doesn't mean we are

>CONVERTING it properly!!! "

>

>

>NHANES 2007-2008 data shows that Free Thyroxine has a higher probability

>(62.5%) of diagnosing thyroid problems as displayed in this statistical

>analysis ROC:

> http://members.shaw.ca/studycircle/images/Thyroid-ROC1.png

>

>

> Max.

>

>

>

>61M L adenoma by NP59 scan. High aldos not low renin. med combo

>#75={Spiro=100, Amlo=10, Indap=2.5, Ramip=5, Metf=1000, Prav=40, Feno=67,

>K.cl=120 mEq}

>

>

[Guest guest]

And low TSH too! (hyperthyroidism) as it is more rapidly dangerous and has a

significant mortality to it

On Sat Feb 26th, 2011 12:11 PM CST Francis Bill SUSPECTED PA wrote:

>From the medlineplus information.

>

>Normal values for tsh are 0.4 - 4.0 mIU/L.

>

>However, those without signs or symptoms of an underactive thyroid who have a

TSH value over 2.0 mIU/L but normal T4 levels may develop hypothyroidism in the

future. This is called subclinical hypothyroidism (mildly underactive thyroid)

or early-stage hypothyroidism. Anyone with a TSH value above this level should

be followed very closely by a doctor.

>

>If you are being treated for a thyroid disorder, your TSH level should be

between 0.5 and 3.0 mIU/L.

>

>By this information any one with TSH over 2 should have other testing done.

>

>

>

>>

>> > You are part of the medical community. Why doesn't your community test

men?

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > Val

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > From: hyperaldosteronism

[mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Bingham

>> >

>> >

>> > You keep mentioning hypothyroid and the reason i feel is this odd health

dynamic between men and women. To many women ALL weight gain, hair loss, etc is

" hormones " particularly thyroid, no matter if shes had 4 kids and is 35 yo. Men

typically are not offered the hormone defense.

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I do. i assumed my colleagues were testing mine for a year when i was so sick

but were not. I routinely and always have screened men. It wasnt until near

total collapse they found it rite in front of them in me.

>You are part of the medical community. Why doesn't your community test men?

>

>Val

>

>From: hyperaldosteronism

>[mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Bingham

>

>

>You keep mentioning hypothyroid and the reason i feel is this odd health

>dynamic between men and women. To many women ALL weight gain, hair loss, etc

>is " hormones " particularly thyroid, no matter if shes had 4 kids and is 35

>yo. Men typically are not offered the hormone defense.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

We live in a society where hormones are the cause of womens woes and not men. .

.. .though men have hormones that fluctuate too. for example, a

woman has a hormonal imbalance when she is in a bad mood and mean, yet in men

testosterone, low and high, causes bad moods AND aggression. Do the w men get a

break or are they jerks, buttheads, and verbal abusers when they have a bad day?

we know that answer

>You are part of the medical community. Why doesn't your community test men?

>

>Val

>

>From: hyperaldosteronism

>[mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Bingham

>

>

>You keep mentioning hypothyroid and the reason i feel is this odd health

>dynamic between men and women. To many women ALL weight gain, hair loss, etc

>is " hormones " particularly thyroid, no matter if shes had 4 kids and is 35

>yo. Men typically are not offered the hormone defense.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I

don't assume anything. I do my own

reading and tell them what I want.

Sometimes, I just go get my own tests and buy my own meds. They kept me sick for far too long. Three years ago, I went to a very nice GP. I was shaking, weak, barely able to

talk. My BP was raging and my arrhythmias

were terrible. She said she'd never

heard of PA and ordered a DEXA, mammogram and flu shot.

Val

From: hyperaldosteronism

[mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Bingham

I do. i assumed my colleagues were testing mine

for a year when i was so sick but were not. I routinely and always have

screened men. It wasnt until near total collapse they found it rite in front of

them in me.

>You are part of the medical community. Why doesn't your community test men?

>

>Val

>

>From: hyperaldosteronism

>[mailto:hyperaldosteronism ]

On Behalf Of Bingham

>

>

>You keep mentioning hypothyroid and the reason i feel is this odd health

>dynamic between men and women. To many women ALL weight gain, hair loss,

etc

>is " hormones " particularly thyroid, no matter if shes had 4 kids

and is 35

>yo. Men typically are not offered the hormone defense.

>