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janickcm wrote:

However, I have recently discovered

something even better Soy dream " ice cream " sandwiches. They are

about the same size as skinny cows, only 1 point and have more

protein! They are also more satisfying and delicious I might add...

even Jordan loves them!

Janick

I love the Soy dream ones too. I'll have to look for the skinny cow ones.

Sandie, Tae and Bo )!!!!!!

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This is a touching story.

I wish you luck with your weight loss journey.

Rae

Hi

Thank Mari, you are right I have to keep self promises. I was

reading

that in my success journal. I hope everyone that can afford it gets

it because there is an encouraging word from Bill each day that helps

me so much. It took me a long time to get it because I was printing

everything from the website but I'm very glad I did. Well everyone

another week almost completed! Yaaa!! Progression not Perfection. I

met another person in the gym this week who is doing the program!! A

friend and I did the 6 week body makeover 4 years ago. I lost 41

pounds in 12 weeks and she lost 45 in 6 months. We both gained all

the weight back because it was too restrictive (no salt, no oil, no

sugar) So after trying to do it again over the 4 years I realized

that it's just too restrictive. I've been doing BFL for about 28

weeks now and I've never done anything this long before. I just love

it. I'm not a slave to the scale anymore which has helped me be more

relaxed. So of course I'm trying to persuade her to get on board. I

refuse to work hard again and gain all the weight back. I have close

in my closest from 4 years ago that still have the tags on them that

I was never able to wear. No more fad diets, no more letting the

scale determined how I feel about myself, etc. This journey has

definitely been more mental for me in the beginning. I can't see

doing anything else, I told her that I'd given all my other diet

books away because I have found the One! I'm 218.5, 5'8 and a size 14

due to this plan. Before when I was this weight I was a size 18/20!

So muscle makes a difference! For some reason I haven't lost a lot of

pounds but I've lost inches. The first challenge I started to give up

but I had committed to 12 weeks and my clothes were getting looser.

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It's good to take a week off every few months, especially with something

like BFL that's fairly hardcore. When people go straight into the next

challenge with no break, they tend to burn out and their results tend to

suffer.

One week is great. Two is getting dangerous. You can lose momentum and

focus.

Note that taking a week off doesn't mean you have to trash all of your good

habits or sit around and eat junk all week. Just take a break from the very

heavy six-set weight workouts and full-blast intervals. Enjoy a few more

treats. Go easy on the workouts, maybe doing some moderate or recreational

cardio instead of the lung-chucking stuff, maybe doing a light weight

workout, or a bodyweight circuit, or a yoga class instead of pumping serious

iron. Just have fun and enjoy yourself. Do whatever feels right for you. The

idea is to come back rested, refreshed and ready to go.

On Feb 8, 2008 5:06 PM, tresseya <no_reply > wrote:

> Thanks beth! I heard Whitney say it one time and I didn't know

> where she got it. I think I'm going to put the quote on my mirror! It

> has been kind of tough sticking it out this week because I have been

> craving sweets like a crazy woman but I'm resisting. This week will be

> over soon! I'm finishing up week 9. I read on BFL guest book that you

> need to take a week or 2 off after 12 weeks. Do most of you take just

> one week off?

>

>

>

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urban_pr2003 wrote:

> Hi everyone,

> I am brand new on this forum.

welcome to the group!

:*carolyn.

[Guest guest]

Thanks ,

I got involved with aerobics already back in the mid 80s (I was

still a kid back then), and I always find myself going back to

the 'roots' of aerobics and fitness such as traditional (non dancy)

high or high low aerobics, sculpting work, floor work and circuits.

I find that these formats works best for me

Today I'm doing full Primary Series in Ashtanga Yoga by Lino Miele

and later in the afternoon I'll do the Beach Body 30min circuit.

Else I'll do one of the old Firm tapes in case I change my mind.

It's a wet day here in Central London therefor no power walking for

me

>

> Hi and welcome!!!

>

> I'm not familiar with these (yet). It is always great to learn

about new/old workouts though. We'll look forward to hearing more

about your workouts!

>

>

>

> Hi

>

>

> Hi everyone,

>

> I am brand new on this forum.

> A BIG fan of traditional high/low videos such as Voights Power

Packed

> Workout, Gay Gasper Variable Intensities, The 20 Min Workout,

Fonda's

> Workout Challenge and New Workout.

>

> I also do Voight's Great Weighted Workout and a few other ones.

>

> Have a nice weekend.

>

[Guest guest]

Hello .

Goodness, you certainly HAVE been thru the wringer!

and still are... sigh

Unfortunately, so many lose most contact with their family when so very ill, at least in this country. I wonder what it is in our society that makes so many folks run when a family member is very ill. Just when we need them so much, too. sigh....

Well, at least on this list, you get to say what's happening and all that, and have folks that CARE. whether or not we are well enough to respond online ratm....

hopefully it's been possible to connect well with some of your caregivers or fellow patients where you get treatment?

SO tough to have to give up your dogs! They give such wonderful love....

Yes, I'm sure that sometimes it seems almost too hard to bear. I haven't 'been there' with such severe challenges. (Mine were only 'fixable' kind.)

I really don't know what to say more. Each thing seems not right.

But I do wish and pray for you that all will go for you in the best way possible.

and that meanwhile life can feel more blessed.... somehow...

hugs, Jean

From: ladyice51

Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 8:06 AM

To: BeingSick

Subject: Hi

Hi,I am new to the group. I have had like most of you, a varied problematic life of poor health. I am divorced and live on disability, my children are grown and away and frankly not too interested in me. I guess I am having a pity party for myself.I had my right kidney removed in 2007 a difficult 8 hr. surgery due to complications from radiation in 1990. The doctor left the ureter as it was not known that the kidney had cancer until after the fact. The ureter had abnormal cells, and I started Chemo in 2008. Went code blue twice and Chemo stopped. I developed bladder cancer went through biological treatment, cancer stayed. In 2009 Sept. was diagnosed with 4th stage liver cancer. Spent a week in the hospital for anemia, dehydration, and mal nutrition.Only option given was to go back on Chemo. I am losing my hair, and the American Cancer Society has been generous in providing a wig. My family convinced me to give up a couple of my dogs, so now I am depressed. Oh and now I am being treated for the flu.I haven't really heard anything from my oldest who stopped communicating during the divorce in 2003. My middle manages to call once or twice a month even though she lives in the state. My youngest manages more, but is busy entertaining in-laws until April 2010 while they live with her through the winter in Florida.There are days lately that I wonder why I am fighting. I don't even remember when food tasted like food, or that I had energy to do much of anything.

[Guest guest]

That is so true....it is THIS country. I traveled all my life all over the world being in a military family.....other cultures....Europe, Asia, etc. the families stick together, they even live together....it's nothing to find 3 or 4 generations under one roof. Here, children don't want to be bothered by their parents. I had to live with one daughter for a short time and she was so embarrassed, couldn't wait to get me out of her home. She said people at work actually said things to her about it and asked how much longer I would be there. We have a great country, but there are things about it we should be ashamed of....and this is a big one. B. in TexasUntil one has loved an animal, part of their soul remains in darknessTo: BeingSick Sent: Sat, November 14, 2009 9:30:46 AMSubject: Re: Hi

Hello .

Goodness, you certainly HAVE been thru the wringer!

and still are... sigh

Unfortunately, so many lose most contact with their family when so very ill, at least in this country. I wonder what it is in our society that makes so many folks run when a family member is very ill. Just when we need them so much, too. sigh....

Well, at least on this list, you get to say what's happening and all that, and have folks that CARE. whether or not we are well enough to respond online ratm....

hopefully it's been possible to connect well with some of your caregivers or fellow patients where you get treatment?

SO tough to have to give up your dogs! They give such wonderful love....

Yes, I'm sure that sometimes it seems almost too hard to bear. I haven't 'been there' with such severe challenges. (Mine were only 'fixable' kind.)

I really don't know what to say more. Each thing seems not right.

But I do wish and pray for you that all will go for you in the best way possible.

and that meanwhile life can feel more blessed.... somehow...

hugs, Jean

From: ladyice51

Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 8:06 AM

To: BeingSick@yahoogrou ps.com

Subject: Hi

Hi,I am new to the group. I have had like most of you, a varied problematic life of poor health. I am divorced and live on disability, my children are grown and away and frankly not too interested in me. I guess I am having a pity party for myself.I had my right kidney removed in 2007 a difficult 8 hr. surgery due to complications from radiation in 1990. The doctor left the ureter as it was not known that the kidney had cancer until after the fact. The ureter had abnormal cells, and I started Chemo in 2008. Went code blue twice and Chemo stopped. I developed bladder cancer went through biological treatment, cancer stayed. In 2009 Sept. was diagnosed with 4th stage liver cancer. Spent a week in the hospital for anemia, dehydration, and mal nutrition.Only option given was to go back on Chemo. I am losing my hair, and the American Cancer Society has been generous in providing a wig. My family convinced me to give up a couple of my dogs, so now I am depressed. Oh and now I am being treated for the flu.I haven't really heard anything from my oldest who stopped communicating during the divorce in 2003. My middle manages to call once or twice a month even though she lives in the state. My youngest manages more, but is busy entertaining in-laws until April 2010 while they live with her through the winter in Florida.There are days lately that I wonder why I am fighting. I don't even remember when food tasted like food, or that I had energy to do much of anything.

[Guest guest]

Welcome to the group,;;sorry that you have to go through all you have had to;; that sucks that your kids arent there for you;; I dont know what I would do if mine were not there for me;;I have 7 loving kids;; Hubby also';; You take care of yourself & God bless you;;

Healing ((Hugs))

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Subject: HiTo: BeingSick Date: Saturday, November 14, 2009, 8:06 AM

Hi,I am new to the group. I have had like most of you, a varied problematic life of poor health. I am divorced and live on disability, my children are grown and away and frankly not too interested in me. I guess I am having a pity party for myself.I had my right kidney removed in 2007 a difficult 8 hr. surgery due to complications from radiation in 1990. The doctor left the ureter as it was not known that the kidney had cancer until after the fact. The ureter had abnormal cells, and I started Chemo in 2008. Went code blue twice and Chemo stopped. I developed bladder cancer went through biological treatment, cancer stayed. In 2009 Sept. was diagnosed with 4th stage liver cancer. Spent a week in the hospital for anemia, dehydration, and mal nutrition.Only option given was to go back on Chemo. I am losing my hair, and the American Cancer Society has been generous in providing a wig. My family convinced me to give up a couple of my

dogs, so now I am depressed. Oh and now I am being treated for the flu.I haven't really heard anything from my oldest who stopped communicating during the divorce in 2003. My middle manages to call once or twice a month even though she lives in the state. My youngest manages more, but is busy entertaining in-laws until April 2010 while they live with her through the winter in Florida.There are days lately that I wonder why I am fighting. I don't even remember when food tasted like food, or that I had energy to do much of anything.

[Guest guest]

shudder....

yup

I recall a homemaker from an African country saying that when a family member was ill, you just quit your job and went to be with them. Another from a different African country indicating that if you were in the hospital in THIS country, ALL the folks from that same country, from many states around, would congregate in the hospital room, keeping contact, support.

Here we get 'left' to the medical teams.... too much

Jean

From: Boyce

Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 11:03 AM

To: BeingSick

Subject: Re: Hi

That is so true....it is THIS country. I traveled all my life all over the world being in a military family.....other cultures....Europe, Asia, etc. the families stick together, they even live together....it's nothing to find 3 or 4 generations under one roof. Here, children don't want to be bothered by their parents. I had to live with one daughter for a short time and she was so embarrassed, couldn't wait to get me out of her home. She said people at work actually said things to her about it and asked how much longer I would be there. We have a great country, but there are things about it we should be ashamed of....and this is a big one.

B. in TexasUntil one has loved an animal, part of their soul remains in darkness

From: gettingthere35 verizon <gettingthere35verizon (DOT) net>To: BeingSick Sent: Sat, November 14, 2009 9:30:46 AMSubject: Re: Hi

Hello .

Goodness, you certainly HAVE been thru the wringer!

and still are... sigh

Unfortunately, so many lose most contact with their family when so very ill, at least in this country. I wonder what it is in our society that makes so many folks run when a family member is very ill. Just when we need them so much, too. sigh....

Well, at least on this list, you get to say what's happening and all that, and have folks that CARE. whether or not we are well enough to respond online ratm....

hopefully it's been possible to connect well with some of your caregivers or fellow patients where you get treatment?

SO tough to have to give up your dogs! They give such wonderful love....

Yes, I'm sure that sometimes it seems almost too hard to bear. I haven't 'been there' with such severe challenges. (Mine were only 'fixable' kind.)

I really don't know what to say more. Each thing seems not right.

But I do wish and pray for you that all will go for you in the best way possible.

and that meanwhile life can feel more blessed.... somehow...

hugs, Jean

From: ladyice51

Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 8:06 AM

To: BeingSick@yahoogrou ps.com

Subject: Hi

Hi,I am new to the group. I have had like most of you, a varied problematic life of poor health. I am divorced and live on disability, my children are grown and away and frankly not too interested in me. I guess I am having a pity party for myself.I had my right kidney removed in 2007 a difficult 8 hr. surgery due to complications from radiation in 1990. The doctor left the ureter as it was not known that the kidney had cancer until after the fact. The ureter had abnormal cells, and I started Chemo in 2008. Went code blue twice and Chemo stopped. I developed bladder cancer went through biological treatment, cancer stayed. In 2009 Sept. was diagnosed with 4th stage liver cancer. Spent a week in the hospital for anemia, dehydration, and mal nutrition.Only option given was to go back on Chemo. I am losing my hair, and the American Cancer Society has been generous in providing a wig. My family convinced me to give up a couple of my dogs, so now I am depressed. Oh and now I am being treated for the flu.I haven't really heard anything from my oldest who stopped communicating during the divorce in 2003. My middle manages to call once or twice a month even though she lives in the state. My youngest manages more, but is busy entertaining in-laws until April 2010 while they live with her through the winter in Florida.There are days lately that I wonder why I am fighting. I don't even remember when food tasted like food, or that I had energy to do much of anything.

[Guest guest]

You are lucky. Until I got sick, I was the one who took care of everyone. Now that I can't, the favor is not being returned. B. in TexasUntil one has loved an animal, part of their soul remains in darknessTo:

BeingSick Sent: Sat, November 14, 2009 4:39:05 PMSubject: Re: Hi

I guess I am one of the well blessed ones. When ever my husband or I are needing help or are sick my family is right there to help. My mom always said that a family that helps in any time of need is one that will be there when you go through a river. LMay

On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 11:20 AM, gettingthere35 verizon <gettingthere35@ verizon.net> wrote:

shudder....

yup

I recall a homemaker from an African country saying that when a family member was ill, you just quit your job and went to be with them. Another from a different African country indicating that if you were in the hospital in THIS country, ALL the folks from that same country, from many states around, would congregate in the hospital room, keeping contact, support.

Here we get 'left' to the medical teams.... too much

Jean

From: Boyce

Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 11:03 AM

To: BeingSick@yahoogrou ps.com

Subject: Re: Hi

That is so true....it is THIS country. I traveled all my life all over the world being in a military family.....other cultures..... Europe, Asia, etc. the families stick together, they even live together..... it's nothing to find 3 or 4 generations under one roof. Here, children don't want to be bothered by their parents. I had to live with one daughter for a short time and she was so embarrassed, couldn't wait to get me out of her home. She said people at work actually said things to her about it and asked how much longer I would be there. We have a great country, but there are things about it we should be ashamed of.....and this is a big one.

B. in TexasUntil one has loved an animal, part of their soul remains in darkness

From: gettingthere35 verizon <gettingthere35@ verizon.net>To: BeingSick@yahoogrou ps.com

Sent: Sat, November 14, 2009 9:30:46 AMSubject: Re: Hi

Hello .

Goodness, you certainly HAVE been thru the wringer!

and still are... sigh

Unfortunately, so many lose most contact with their family when so very ill, at least in this country. I wonder what it is in our society that makes so many folks run when a family member is very ill. Just when we need them so much, too. sigh....

Well, at least on this list, you get to say what's happening and all that, and have folks that CARE. whether or not we are well enough to respond online ratm....

hopefully it's been possible to connect well with some of your caregivers or fellow patients where you get treatment?

SO tough to have to give up your dogs! They give such wonderful love....

Yes, I'm sure that sometimes it seems almost too hard to bear. I haven't 'been there' with such severe challenges. (Mine were only 'fixable' kind.)

I really don't know what to say more. Each thing seems not right.

But I do wish and pray for you that all will go for you in the best way possible.

and that meanwhile life can feel more blessed.... somehow...

hugs, Jean

From: ladyice51

Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 8:06 AM

To: BeingSick@yahoogrou ps.com

Subject: Hi

Hi,I am new to the group. I have had like most of you, a varied problematic life of poor health. I am divorced and live on disability, my children are grown and away and frankly not too interested in me. I guess I am having a pity party for myself.

I had my right kidney removed in 2007 a difficult 8 hr. surgery due to complications from radiation in 1990. The doctor left the ureter as it was not known that the kidney had cancer until after the fact. The ureter had abnormal cells, and I started Chemo in 2008. Went code blue twice and Chemo stopped. I developed bladder cancer went through biological treatment, cancer stayed. In 2009 Sept. was diagnosed with 4th stage liver cancer. Spent a week in the hospital for anemia, dehydration, and mal nutrition.

Only option given was to go back on Chemo. I am losing my hair, and the American Cancer Society has been generous in providing a wig. My family convinced me to give up a couple of my dogs, so now I am depressed. Oh and now I am being treated for the flu.

I haven't really heard anything from my oldest who stopped communicating during the divorce in 2003. My middle manages to call once or twice a month even though she lives in the state. My youngest manages more, but is busy entertaining in-laws until April 2010 while they live with her through the winter in Florida.

There are days lately that I wonder why I am fighting. I don't even remember when food tasted like food, or that I had energy to do much of anything.

[Guest guest]

I wonder -- are they kind of angry with you for not still taking care of you....

would be unreasonable, but since when were emotions 'reasonable'....

From: Boyce

Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 11:03 PM

To: BeingSick

Subject: Re: Hi

You are lucky. Until I got sick, I was the one who took care of everyone. Now that I can't, the favor is not being returned.

B. in TexasUntil one has loved an animal, part of their soul remains in darkness

From: LMay <youbarngmail>To: BeingSick Sent: Sat, November 14, 2009 4:39:05 PMSubject: Re: Hi

I guess I am one of the well blessed ones. When ever my husband or I are needing help or are sick my family is right there to help. My mom always said that a family that helps in any time of need is one that will be there when you go through a river. LMay

On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 11:20 AM, gettingthere35 verizon <gettingthere35@ verizon.net> wrote:

shudder....

yup

I recall a homemaker from an African country saying that when a family member was ill, you just quit your job and went to be with them. Another from a different African country indicating that if you were in the hospital in THIS country, ALL the folks from that same country, from many states around, would congregate in the hospital room, keeping contact, support.

Here we get 'left' to the medical teams.... too much

Jean

From: Boyce

Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 11:03 AM

To: BeingSick@yahoogrou ps.com

Subject: Re: Hi

That is so true....it is THIS country. I traveled all my life all over the world being in a military family.....other cultures..... Europe, Asia, etc. the families stick together, they even live together..... it's nothing to find 3 or 4 generations under one roof. Here, children don't want to be bothered by their parents. I had to live with one daughter for a short time and she was so embarrassed, couldn't wait to get me out of her home. She said people at work actually said things to her about it and asked how much longer I would be there. We have a great country, but there are things about it we should be ashamed of.....and this is a big one.

B. in TexasUntil one has loved an animal, part of their soul remains in darkness

From: gettingthere35 verizon <gettingthere35@ verizon.net>To: BeingSick@yahoogrou ps.comSent: Sat, November 14, 2009 9:30:46 AMSubject: Re: Hi

Hello .

Goodness, you certainly HAVE been thru the wringer!

and still are... sigh

Unfortunately, so many lose most contact with their family when so very ill, at least in this country. I wonder what it is in our society that makes so many folks run when a family member is very ill. Just when we need them so much, too. sigh....

Well, at least on this list, you get to say what's happening and all that, and have folks that CARE. whether or not we are well enough to respond online ratm....

hopefully it's been possible to connect well with some of your caregivers or fellow patients where you get treatment?

SO tough to have to give up your dogs! They give such wonderful love....

Yes, I'm sure that sometimes it seems almost too hard to bear. I haven't 'been there' with such severe challenges. (Mine were only 'fixable' kind.)

I really don't know what to say more. Each thing seems not right.

But I do wish and pray for you that all will go for you in the best way possible.

and that meanwhile life can feel more blessed.... somehow...

hugs, Jean

From: ladyice51

Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 8:06 AM

To: BeingSick@yahoogrou ps.com

Subject: Hi

Hi,I am new to the group. I have had like most of you, a varied problematic life of poor health. I am divorced and live on disability, my children are grown and away and frankly not too interested in me. I guess I am having a pity party for myself.I had my right kidney removed in 2007 a difficult 8 hr. surgery due to complications from radiation in 1990. The doctor left the ureter as it was not known that the kidney had cancer until after the fact. The ureter had abnormal cells, and I started Chemo in 2008. Went code blue twice and Chemo stopped. I developed bladder cancer went through biological treatment, cancer stayed. In 2009 Sept. was diagnosed with 4th stage liver cancer. Spent a week in the hospital for anemia, dehydration, and mal nutrition.Only option given was to go back on Chemo. I am losing my hair, and the American Cancer Society has been generous in providing a wig. My family convinced me to give up a couple of my dogs, so now I am depressed. Oh and now I am being treated for the flu.I haven't really heard anything from my oldest who stopped communicating during the divorce in 2003. My middle manages to call once or twice a month even though she lives in the state. My youngest manages more, but is busy entertaining in-laws until April 2010 while they live with her through the winter in Florida.There are days lately that I wonder why I am fighting. I don't even remember when food tasted like food, or that I had energy to do much of anything.

[Guest guest]

I'm so sorry for both you ladies. My family has its dysfunctions but we are

there for each other, especially when sick.

As far as the dogs go, don't let anyone make you get rid of them. Who needs

t.v. when there are dogs in the house? Dogs are proven to provide great therapy

for the sick and elderly.

I just picked up our 5th baby tonight, and our only little girl.

We now have two boxers 100 and 70 pounds, they are 7 and 5 years old, we call

them The Bigs. And three chihuahuas, 12 and 6 pounds - - we call them The

Littles, they are two weeks apart in age and are 4 years old. And now our new

little 2 pound six week old baby girl - Sora.

I know I need my head examined for getting another dog, but my three littles

don't even make up one big.

My children are 24 and 15. My youngest of course is still at home and my son

lives 10 minutes from me. My brother and I both live 10 minutes from my

parents. My son and dad drive me to my phlebotomies every three weeks. I go to

all of my parents doctors appointments with them - they are 81 and 86 and need

someone in the room with them to listen to what the doctor is saying. I am

blessed to have family so close, especially when I am going to start interferon

as soon as the iron levels drop to a manageable level.

Keep your dogs, and keep your faith.

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>

> shudder....

> yup

> I recall a homemaker from an African country saying that when a family

member was ill, you just quit your job and went to be with them. Another from a

different African country indicating that if you were in the hospital in THIS

country, ALL the folks from that same country, from many states around, would

congregate in the hospital room, keeping contact, support.

> Here we get 'left' to the medical teams.... too much

> Jean

>

>

> From: Boyce

> Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 11:03 AM

> To: BeingSick@yahoogrou ps.com

> Subject: Re: Hi

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> That is so true....it is THIS country. I traveled all my life all over the

world being in a military family.....other cultures..... Europe, Asia, etc. the

families stick together, they even live together..... it's nothing to find 3 or

4 generations under one roof. Here, children don't want to be bothered by

their parents. I had to live with one daughter for a short time and she was so

embarrassed, couldn't wait to get me out of her home. She said people at work

actually said things to her about it and asked how much longer I would be there.

We have a great country, but there are things about it we should be ashamed

of.....and this is a big one.

>

>

> B. in Texas

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> Until one has loved an animal, part of their soul remains in darkness

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> From: gettingthere35 verizon <gettingthere35@ verizon.net>

> To: BeingSick@yahoogrou ps.com

> Sent: Sat, November 14, 2009 9:30:46 AM

> Subject: Re: Hi

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>

>

> Hello .

> Goodness, you certainly HAVE been thru the wringer!

> and still are... sigh

>

> Unfortunately, so many lose most contact with their family when so very ill,

at least in this country. I wonder what it is in our society that makes so many

folks run when a family member is very ill. Just when we need them so much, too.

sigh....

>

> Well, at least on this list, you get to say what's happening and all that,

and have folks that CARE. whether or not we are well enough to respond online

ratm....

>

> hopefully it's been possible to connect well with some of your caregivers or

fellow patients where you get treatment?

>

> SO tough to have to give up your dogs! They give such wonderful love....

>

> Yes, I'm sure that sometimes it seems almost too hard to bear. I haven't

'been there' with such severe challenges. (Mine were only 'fixable' kind.)

> I really don't know what to say more. Each thing seems not right.

> But I do wish and pray for you that all will go for you in the best way

possible.

> and that meanwhile life can feel more blessed.... somehow...

> hugs, Jean

>

>

>

> From: ladyice51

> Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 8:06 AM

> To: BeingSick@yahoogrou ps.com

> Subject: Hi

>

>

>

> Hi,

> I am new to the group. I have had like most of you, a varied problematic

life of poor health. I am divorced and live on disability, my children are grown

and away and frankly not too interested in me. I guess I am having a pity party

for myself.

>

> I had my right kidney removed in 2007 a difficult 8 hr. surgery due to

complications from radiation in 1990. The doctor left the ureter as it was not

known that the kidney had cancer until after the fact. The ureter had abnormal

cells, and I started Chemo in 2008. Went code blue twice and Chemo stopped. I

developed bladder cancer went through biological treatment, cancer stayed. In

2009 Sept. was diagnosed with 4th stage liver cancer. Spent a week in the

hospital for anemia, dehydration, and mal nutrition.

>

> Only option given was to go back on Chemo. I am losing my hair, and the

American Cancer Society has been generous in providing a wig. My family

convinced me to give up a couple of my dogs, so now I am depressed. Oh and now I

am being treated for the flu.

>

> I haven't really heard anything from my oldest who stopped communicating

during the divorce in 2003. My middle manages to call once or twice a month even

though she lives in the state. My youngest manages more, but is busy

entertaining in-laws until April 2010 while they live with her through the

winter in Florida.

>

> There are days lately that I wonder why I am fighting. I don't even remember

when food tasted like food, or that I had energy to do much of anything.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I am sure they are angry at me for one thing or another. Oldest daughter because of the divorce, middle because she wanted two things of mine, and I could not give them to her. She wanted me to give her my mini dachshund, and I couldn't. And then I gave her a couple very expensive blue diamond rings, sort of a legacy, but she wanted the one I gave her sister.

Even though all the girls are grown with families and in mid 30+ they just seem to be angry most of the time over anything. I blame myself somewhat as they were very spoiled and I think this is what has caused them to be so selfish in general. F

[Guest guest]

Hi

When I am not depressed or angry, I know that I will keep fighting, it's just my nature. And of course despite or because of my family, I still know I have to care for my dogs. In many ways I am lucky, I have my own home (a mobile in a nice subdivision) and some nice things. I started taking college classes to fill my time and have met some nice short time acquaintces there.

I have a beautiful garden that I planted when I moved in here after the divorce, and people actually stop from spring to fall to look at it and compliment it. Like others on the list I have always been the care taker, even of myself through the years when I was married. Sometimes I know my kids just think I am invincible as I always manage to keep going, and maybe I just feel unappreciated alot of the time.

Of course not knowing somewhat the future, and whether or not to make any plans makes things hard. And I have little patience when it comes to me being sick. I have always been one to push myself, and this time it isn't working so well. F

[Guest guest]

I couldn't agee with you more. F

[Guest guest]

, this is my first or second email to the group. I can't remember how many. I'm 52 years old and I'm starting already to forget things. I have a lot of things wrong wth me. I've had asthma and allergies all of my life. I've been in and out hospitals all of my life.  The last time was in April when I flunked the EKG. I was alright afterwards. I too am divorced. I'm still in touch with Daddy Dearest as I call him. He is a real beaut. We have two kids. He got them in the divorce but by some miracle I managed to keep a relatively good relationship with them. I was just out there in October for two weeks. I have depression and I'm Bipolar II. I have in the past cried so much that my sinuses closed up. I've been on prednisone off and on since I was twenty. I was too young before that.  While I haven't gone through what you have gone through, my first thoughts is can you sue the first doctor who didn't check the urethea for cancer cells. Money won't heal you but it certainly can make people happy. I hope that your family becomes more receptive to you. It's not clear to me how my immediate family would react to me if that happen to me. It's a constant fight with them so you are not alone. Try to keep close to the people around you. Also there is nothing that says you can't move down to Florida to be closer to your daughter, the caring one. Good luck. Lucille

 

Hi

 

I have no idea why people today run for the hills when someone is really sick.   I lost my mother a bit over 4 years ago, just days away from my birthday.  I would have given anything to have been with her, but was going through the divorce and had not a single dime to fly to Calif.  To make matters even worse was the fact that I had lost 95% of my hearing in my right ear and 90% in my left so I could not even hear her last conversations.  I found myself thinking recently how much I envied my mother, as all three of her daughters were in constant contact with her daily, including yearly vacations.  If she had been single, I would have insisted on her living with me and would have been happy to have her despite the complications.

 

My kids on the other hand have almost lost me a few times.  I had a heart attack in 2001 with a quad by-pass and then the two code blue's where I spent over 3 wks total time in the hospital in 2008.  Yet they don't seem to need or even to miss me all that much.  In fact no one even flew in for the code's despite my being in intensive care for a week, tranked and tied down for 3 days where no one new if I would make it or not.  I can't figure out where I went wrong. 

 

All I heard after this Sept. is how I needed to cut back on my dogs, and get rid of some of my stuff (they claim I have too much stuff).  I have my father, Aunt and Uncle, but all are somewhat judgemental of my lifestyle (pets)

 

I never had a bad attitude until lately about having cruddy health, but the past month or so I have really considered giving up and just letting things happen. 

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

so very glad to hear back from you....

seems my nature, at least so far, is also to keep fighting...

though ratm I am not on my routine... sigh... why....

my family is busy elsewhere, unless I am in need... at least so far

but it is up to me to let them know...

My folks gave their best, though we didn't always 'click' as we'd have liked.

My DexH is now my best friend, again

but he has more pressing medical concerns than I do now

and he is nearly an hour away, which is a tough trip for me.

Life's not quite what I expected, back in the early '50s.... weak smile...

Jean

From: Frey

Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 9:23 AM

To: BeingSick

Subject: Re: Hi

Hi

When I am not depressed or angry, I know that I will keep fighting, it's just my nature. And of course despite or because of my family, I still know I have to care for my dogs. In many ways I am lucky, I have my own home (a mobile in a nice subdivision) and some nice things. I started taking college classes to fill my time and have met some nice short time acquaintces there.

I have a beautiful garden that I planted when I moved in here after the divorce, and people actually stop from spring to fall to look at it and compliment it. Like others on the list I have always been the care taker, even of myself through the years when I was married. Sometimes I know my kids just think I am invincible as I always manage to keep going, and maybe I just feel unappreciated alot of the time.

Of course not knowing somewhat the future, and whether or not to make any plans makes things hard. And I have little patience when it comes to me being sick. I have always been one to push myself, and this time it isn't working so well. F

[Guest guest]

Your daughters sound like my oldest. She wants everything. When I lost my house, I gave her a dining room set my father had bought my mother (she gave it to me while I was still married after my father passed away and she downsized to an apt). This dining room set is a special edition Kincaid (it has oval brass numbered emblems on the inside of the doors). It cost my father $10,000.00. My mother shipped it to me in Texas. I also got her beautiful China my father had purchased on his way back from Viet Nam. I have a lot of beautiful jewelry and she asks when I'm going to start splitting that up (she wants first pick). My mother wants to take the dining room set away from her because of how she treats me. And I have news for her, my jewelry

is NOT going to her, none of it.They were spoiled also, got whatever they wanted. It continued even after they were grown until the divorce.. If we had only known what we were doing!! lol B. in TexasUntil one has loved an animal, part of their soul remains in darknessTo: BeingSick Sent: Sun, November 15,

2009 8:00:05 AMSubject: Re: Hi

Hi ,

I am sure they are angry at me for one thing or another. Oldest daughter because of the divorce, middle because she wanted two things of mine, and I could not give them to her. She wanted me to give her my mini dachshund, and I couldn't. And then I gave her a couple very expensive blue diamond rings, sort of a legacy, but she wanted the one I gave her sister.

Even though all the girls are grown with families and in mid 30+ they just seem to be angry most of the time over anything.. I blame myself somewhat as they were very spoiled and I think this is what has caused them to be so selfish in general. F

[Guest guest]

Hi B,

I don't know if I could have changed spoiling them. It just came so naturally. But I guess that is why we are paying for it now. I had long ago decided who was getting what, and I have no intention of changing things around now. My youngest is really good about my decisions, but with her living so far is little help with anything. I do not want to give up my home, and I don't really believe she would want me living with her, which is why I haven't done so. It was mentioned in passing, but as I said I got the feeling it was not really something that made her comfortable. F

[Guest guest]

Hi Lucille,I don't believe my daughter really wants me to move down there. And especially in with her. Originally there was a small bit of conversation regarding it, but then, it went south. Things like " well you know" popped up, and then his parents coming from Oct to April conveniently. I don't want to move down there and find myself homeless or having to live somewhere I don't want to live because no one had the guts to simply say they didn't want me. F.

[Guest guest]

>

> My name is Beth and I just joined today and wanted to say hi. I did send in a

bit of a profile but I am not sure when that gets published.

>

I see my profile was posted but I also went to the database and posted on there,

also.

[Guest guest]

YES, ACHY DAYS!! I finally get to go to a pain mgmt Dr. Today and get some relief. I have been in misery for 6 weeks as my GP, Internist, Rheumy, Orthopedist and Nephrologist will give me nothing for pain because "I have been referred out to the pain Dr"...What???? What about NOW????Hit be a garbage truck. The ONLY good I can see in that, and I have tried to train myself to fina ANYTHING good in any situation, is that if she was in the chronic pain that many of us exist with, she no longer sufferers, it was terribly quick, and she probably didn't know what happened.I know that may seem a bit crass, but I have to find something good in everything, or else I would fold up inside myself. Hope

everyone is well....or a bit better. Judi To: BeingSick Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 10:18 AM Subject: hi

just wondering how everyone is? I have a headache sitting and just won't go away. yesterday we thought we lost another person from our 'community of friends' that go to the meals but it wasn't one of us it was another lady in a w/c. she got ran over by a recyling truck it ran around a corner and pinned her under its wheel killing her instantly and she had a big w/c, i am sad it had to happen but was expecting it at that corner cause no one slows down there and it is 2 one way streets meeting, but i am glad it is someone we don't know or isn't part of our community. today it is up to 60*f but i am so achy i should be working in here but i just don't have the energy i feel like i am so lazy! i got the running around for my brother done yesterday so he can get his community start up cause he needs 'new' furniture as where he lives it has blue mold and the furniture smells and he doesn't want to take the smell with him to the new place on April 1,

i am just hoping he qualifies for the money and he doesn't have much furniture where he lives now as his place is so small and he is moving to a nice bigger place that is geared to income. i also have to go to some workshops for a funding he receives called 'passport' it will help him pay for housekeeping and bus passes it is for special services at home services, i am just hoping i can do it properly. i was getting a little over whelmed last week about it but when i left it for a while i came back to it and now understand it better. that is what is wrong with this place it is over whelming me but it never gets any easier anyway sorry to grumble, SPRING IS COMING and winter got forgotten atleast here in B'ford Ont Canada! later k

[Guest guest]

this has been a rough yr we just found out we lost another friend she passed

away about 3weeks ago and no one found her in her apt until Tues. it is a shame

that no one checked up on her more. it is gourgous out today we are going to the

community meal, i have to get ahold of my dr as my morphine is running out and

the truth i don't think it is working any more. we have to get my brother moved

in April and i have to go to some classes for some special funds he qualifies

for so he can get his bus tickets and some cleaning in to help him, he says he

doesn't want the help but i don't think he understands how much it will benefit

him. he qualifies for 3,000$ for the year i just hope i don't screw up when i do

the forms the new program is called the passport program here in Ontario Canada

done by Special services. anyway we need a break we have lost 7 ppl that have

been in our circle of friends that go to the community meals since Christmas and

none of them have been long term sick they all have been sudden it seems like

there is curse here on Brantford, Ontario, Canada. i just hope it stops and

doesn't hit any closer i am worried about my brother as he weighs 252lb he put

on 15lb in 3months when he is suppose to be losing weight, i am hoping when he

gets moved and with spring coming it will help him get over the depression he is

experiencing and will start losing. later k