Re: OT: - SUGAR SUPLEMENT - Saccharine - Safe or NOT ???

[Guest guest]

Hi Goran

Nightmare - it's all so hard to keep track of, I sympathise. I am not

the expert but...

The one to really avoid is aspartame - it's not the same as

saccharine. Other people will know more but saccharine, whilst not

nutritious is not, as far as I'm aware, the enemy. Aspartame, MSG,

those nutrasweet type sweeteners and flavourings are the ones to

remove forever from the diet (yours as well as your child!!)

Xylitol which is pretty healthy gut wise is illegal on SCD - a major

disappointment for us! But you have to really stick to SCD for it to

work.

saccharine does not feed yeast - SCD will really help heal the gut and

deal with yeast. Nothing else other than small amounts of honey are

permitted on SCD. Ideally get your child to drink lots of water (or

legal pear juice) but failing that I personally wouldn't get too upset

by a little saccharine if it ensures that your child eats and drinks

a healthy amount.

Steph, uk

>

> Hi,

>

> Its Goran from Macedonia writting...

> I have a question and is very important to me:

> My son likes very much to drink juices, a tons...

> Now he drink only lemon lemonade, plum compote, no sugar added...

> But he likes sweat...

> I was adviced that Stevia is not SCD legal and that Hermesetas

sweetener is the best...

> So I make a huge expedition and find Swiss Hermesetas mini

sweetener, and buy for the next 3 years....

> BUT, reading around, on other groups, and from other parrents, I

receive advices that

> saccrine is a neuro toxin and this is not safe for my son....

> The link for Hermseat mini sweetenrs and content:

> http://www.hermeset as.com/data/ en/products/ country/nutritio

n/switzerland. html

>

> Switzerland Hermesetas mini sweeteners

>

> Sweeteners: Pure Sodium Saccharin

> 1 tablet sweetens as much as one teaspoon of sugar (about 5 g)

> Suitable for diabetics

> Zero calories

> Protects the teeth

> Hermesetas mini sweeteners contains Per tablet Per 100 g Protein 0

mg 0 g Carbohydrates, available 0 mg 0 g Fat 0 mg 0 g Energy 0 kJ

> 0 kcal 0 kJ

> 0 kcal Sodium 1.25 mg 10.0 g

>

> PLEASE, any advice, is this ok for my son, for any child, he drink a

lot of lemonade with sweeteners in, why everybody say that Saccharin

is neuro toxin, is it or not, safe or not???

>

> Regards,

> Goran, Macedonia

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

Hello, you should believe the negative stuff you have read about

Saccharine. It is bad for autistic kids. Just go to Google and type

in Autism and saccharine, it causes and prolongs ticks and all types

of repetitive behaviours, it makes them unable to sleep at nite,

sends them hyperactive. Thats my view, through doing some internet

research....... from

>

> Hi,

>

> Its Goran from Macedonia writting...

> I have a question and is very important to me:

> My son likes very much to drink juices, a tons...

> Now he drink only lemon lemonade, plum compote, no sugar added...

> But he likes sweat...

> I was adviced that Stevia is not SCD legal and that Hermesetas

sweetener is the best...

> So I make a huge expedition and find Swiss Hermesetas mini

sweetener, and buy for the next 3 years....

> BUT, reading around, on other groups, and from other parrents, I

receive advices that

> saccrine is a neuro toxin and this is not safe for my son....

> The link for Hermseat mini sweetenrs and content:

> http://www.hermeset as.com/data/ en/products/ country/nutritio

n/switzerland. html

>

> Switzerland Hermesetas mini sweeteners

>

> Sweeteners: Pure Sodium Saccharin

> 1 tablet sweetens as much as one teaspoon of sugar (about 5 g)

> Suitable for diabetics

> Zero calories

> Protects the teeth

> Hermesetas mini sweeteners contains Per tablet Per 100 g Protein 0

mg 0 g Carbohydrates, available 0 mg 0 g Fat 0 mg 0 g Energy 0 kJ

> 0 kcal 0 kJ

> 0 kcal Sodium 1.25 mg 10.0 g

>

> PLEASE, any advice, is this ok for my son, for any child, he drink

a lot of lemonade with sweeteners in, why everybody say that

Saccharin is neuro toxin, is it or not, safe or not???

>

> Regards,

> Goran, Macedonia

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Steph, My son drink juices a lot, tons... Last winter he drinks 120 Litres of juices, home made and more... Hee is non stop on home made lemon lemonade and on 200gr I put 1 tablet of Heremsetas... It is very difficult to force him to drink pure water... Reg the honey Im sure that he regressed with honey, after his illnes I give him this spring a honey and he regress alot... So what to do... What are you others parents use as sweetenr, Im sure that your kids drink lemonades too.. Regardsstephaniesirr wrote: Hi GoranNightmare - it's all so hard to keep track of, I sympathise. I am notthe expert but...The one to really avoid is aspartame - it's not the same assaccharine. Other people will know more but saccharine, whilst notnutritious is not, as far as I'm aware, the enemy. Aspartame, MSG,those nutrasweet type sweeteners and flavourings are the ones toremove forever from the diet (yours as well as your child!!)Xylitol which is pretty healthy gut wise is illegal on SCD - a majordisappointment for us! But you have to really stick to SCD for it towork. saccharine does not feed yeast - SCD will really help heal the gut anddeal with yeast. Nothing else other than small amounts of honey arepermitted on SCD. Ideally get your child to drink lots of water (orlegal pear juice) but failing that I personally

wouldn't get too upsetby a little saccharine if it ensures that your child eats and drinksa healthy amount. Steph, uk>> Hi,> > Its Goran from Macedonia writting...> I have a question and is very important to me:> My son likes very much to drink juices, a tons...> Now he drink only lemon lemonade, plum compote, no sugar added...> But he likes sweat...> I was adviced that Stevia is not SCD legal and that Hermesetassweetener is the best...> So I make a huge expedition and find Swiss Hermesetas minisweetener, and buy for the next 3 years....> BUT, reading around, on other groups, and from other parrents, Ireceive advices that > saccrine is a neuro toxin and this is not safe for my son....>

The link for Hermseat mini sweetenrs and content:> http://www.hermeset as.com/data/ en/products/ country/nutrition/switzerland. html> > Switzerland Hermesetas mini sweeteners > > Sweeteners: Pure Sodium Saccharin > 1 tablet sweetens as much as one teaspoon of sugar (about 5 g) > Suitable for diabetics > Zero calories > Protects the teeth> Hermesetas mini sweeteners contains Per tablet Per 100 g Protein 0mg 0 g Carbohydrates, available 0 mg 0 g Fat 0 mg 0 g Energy 0 kJ> 0 kcal 0 kJ> 0 kcal Sodium 1.25 mg 10.0 g> > PLEASE, any advice, is this ok for my son, for any child, he drink alot of lemonade with sweeteners in, why everybody say that Saccharinis neuro toxin, is it or not, safe or not???> > Regards,> Goran, Macedonia> > >

__________________________________________________>

[Guest guest]

My kid is unusual - he'd rather chew actual lemons than drink

lemonade! Have you tried posting on one of the SCD sites? I'm pretty

sure I've only seen saccharine and honey listed but somewhere like the

pecanbread site someone would know a lot more. Steph

> >

> > Hi,

> >

> > Its Goran from Macedonia writting...

> > I have a question and is very important to me:

> > My son likes very much to drink juices, a tons...

> > Now he drink only lemon lemonade, plum compote, no sugar added...

> > But he likes sweat...

> > I was adviced that Stevia is not SCD legal and that Hermesetas

> sweetener is the best...

> > So I make a huge expedition and find Swiss Hermesetas mini

> sweetener, and buy for the next 3 years....

> > BUT, reading around, on other groups, and from other parrents, I

> receive advices that

> > saccrine is a neuro toxin and this is not safe for my son....

> > The link for Hermseat mini sweetenrs and content:

> > http://www.hermeset as.com/data/ en/products/ country/nutritio

> n/switzerland. html

> >

> > Switzerland Hermesetas mini sweeteners

> >

> > Sweeteners: Pure Sodium Saccharin

> > 1 tablet sweetens as much as one teaspoon of sugar (about 5 g)

> > Suitable for diabetics

> > Zero calories

> > Protects the teeth

> > Hermesetas mini sweeteners contains Per tablet Per 100 g Protein 0

> mg 0 g Carbohydrates, available 0 mg 0 g Fat 0 mg 0 g Energy 0 kJ

> > 0 kcal 0 kJ

> > 0 kcal Sodium 1.25 mg 10.0 g

> >

> > PLEASE, any advice, is this ok for my son, for any child, he drink a

> lot of lemonade with sweeteners in, why everybody say that Saccharin

> is neuro toxin, is it or not, safe or not???

> >

> > Regards,

> > Goran, Macedonia

> >

> >

> > __________________________________________________

> >

[Guest guest]

I have been reading some interesting things about Manuka Honey especially the 25+.

Re: Re: OT: - SUGAR SUPLEMENT - Saccharine - Safe or NOT ???

Dear Steph,

My son drink juices a lot, tons...

Last winter he drinks 120 Litres of juices, home made and more...

Hee is non stop on home made lemon lemonade and on 200gr I put 1 tablet of Heremsetas...

It is very difficult to force him to drink pure water...

Reg the honey Im sure that he regressed with honey, after his illnes I give him this spring a honey and he regress alot...

So what to do...

What are you others parents use as sweetenr, Im sure that your kids drink lemonades too..

Regardsstephaniesirr <mark.grabiecntlworld> wrote:

Hi GoranNightmare - it's all so hard to keep track of, I sympathise. I am notthe expert but...The one to really avoid is aspartame - it's not the same assaccharine. Other people will know more but saccharine, whilst notnutritious is not, as far as I'm aware, the enemy. Aspartame, MSG,those nutrasweet type sweeteners and flavourings are the ones toremove forever from the diet (yours as well as your child!!)Xylitol which is pretty healthy gut wise is illegal on SCD - a majordisappointment for us! But you have to really stick to SCD for it towork. saccharine does not feed yeast - SCD will really help heal the gut anddeal with yeast. Nothing else other than small amounts of honey arepermitted on SCD. Ideally get your child to drink lots of water (orlegal pear juice) but failing that I personally wouldn't get too upsetby a little saccharine if it ensures that your child eats and drinksa healthy amount. Steph, uk>> Hi,> > Its Goran from Macedonia writting...> I have a question and is very important to me:> My son likes very much to drink juices, a tons...> Now he drink only lemon lemonade, plum compote, no sugar added...> But he likes sweat...> I was adviced that Stevia is not SCD legal and that Hermesetassweetener is the best...> So I make a huge expedition and find Swiss Hermesetas minisweetener, and buy for the next 3 years....> BUT, reading around, on other groups, and from other parrents, Ireceive advices that > saccrine is a neuro toxin and this is not safe for my son....> The link for Hermseat mini sweetenrs and content:> http://www.hermeset as.com/data/ en/products/ country/nutrition/switzerland. html> > Switzerland Hermesetas mini sweeteners > > Sweeteners: Pure Sodium Saccharin > 1 tablet sweetens as much as one teaspoon of sugar (about 5 g) > Suitable for diabetics > Zero calories > Protects the teeth> Hermesetas mini sweeteners contains Per tablet Per 100 g Protein 0mg 0 g Carbohydrates, available 0 mg 0 g Fat 0 mg 0 g Energy 0 kJ> 0 kcal 0 kJ> 0 kcal Sodium 1.25 mg 10.0 g> > PLEASE, any advice, is this ok for my son, for any child, he drink alot of lemonade with sweeteners in, why everybody say that Saccharinis neuro toxin, is it or not, safe or not???> > Regards,> Goran, Macedonia> > > __________________________________________________>

[Guest guest]

It's known to help with infections. I know that some medical device

companies have recently launched bandages impregnated with Manuka

honey which helps speed up healing and prevents infections.

We use it in place of sugar when baking some of my son's foods.

Worth shopping around though, as it's crazily expensive.

Liam

> >

> > Hi,

> >

> > Its Goran from Macedonia writting...

> > I have a question and is very important to me:

> > My son likes very much to drink juices, a tons...

> > Now he drink only lemon lemonade, plum compote, no sugar

added...

> > But he likes sweat...

> > I was adviced that Stevia is not SCD legal and that

Hermesetas

> sweetener is the best...

> > So I make a huge expedition and find Swiss Hermesetas mini

> sweetener, and buy for the next 3 years....

> > BUT, reading around, on other groups, and from other

parrents, I

> receive advices that

> > saccrine is a neuro toxin and this is not safe for my son....

> > The link for Hermseat mini sweetenrs and content:

> > http://www.hermeset as.com/data/ en/products/

country/nutritio

> n/switzerland. html

> >

> > Switzerland Hermesetas mini sweeteners

> >

> > Sweeteners: Pure Sodium Saccharin

> > 1 tablet sweetens as much as one teaspoon of sugar (about 5

g)

> > Suitable for diabetics

> > Zero calories

> > Protects the teeth

> > Hermesetas mini sweeteners contains Per tablet Per 100 g

Protein 0

> mg 0 g Carbohydrates, available 0 mg 0 g Fat 0 mg 0 g Energy 0

kJ

> > 0 kcal 0 kJ

> > 0 kcal Sodium 1.25 mg 10.0 g

> >

> > PLEASE, any advice, is this ok for my son, for any child, he

drink a

> lot of lemonade with sweeteners in, why everybody say that

Saccharin

> is neuro toxin, is it or not, safe or not???

> >

> > Regards,

> > Goran, Macedonia

> >

> >

> > __________________________________________________

> >

[Guest guest]

We use manuka but Tom hates the taste and it's a devil to cook with

in my experience as you can't drip it. Are you melting it first?

We use manuka with aloe vera at present for bacteria (yes, I know

aloe vera is not SCD, we haven't started in earnest yet!!). It's £5

a jar from Sainsbury's but it's so hard to get out of the pot it

seems to last us ages!!

Steph x

> > >

> > > Hi,

> > >

> > > Its Goran from Macedonia writting...

> > > I have a question and is very important to me:

> > > My son likes very much to drink juices, a tons...

> > > Now he drink only lemon lemonade, plum compote, no sugar

> added...

> > > But he likes sweat...

> > > I was adviced that Stevia is not SCD legal and that

> Hermesetas

> > sweetener is the best...

> > > So I make a huge expedition and find Swiss Hermesetas mini

> > sweetener, and buy for the next 3 years....

> > > BUT, reading around, on other groups, and from other

> parrents, I

> > receive advices that

> > > saccrine is a neuro toxin and this is not safe for my

son....

> > > The link for Hermseat mini sweetenrs and content:

> > > http://www.hermeset as.com/data/ en/products/

> country/nutritio

> > n/switzerland. html

> > >

> > > Switzerland Hermesetas mini sweeteners

> > >

> > > Sweeteners: Pure Sodium Saccharin

> > > 1 tablet sweetens as much as one teaspoon of sugar (about

5

> g)

> > > Suitable for diabetics

> > > Zero calories

> > > Protects the teeth

> > > Hermesetas mini sweeteners contains Per tablet Per 100 g

> Protein 0

> > mg 0 g Carbohydrates, available 0 mg 0 g Fat 0 mg 0 g Energy

0

> kJ

> > > 0 kcal 0 kJ

> > > 0 kcal Sodium 1.25 mg 10.0 g

> > >

> > > PLEASE, any advice, is this ok for my son, for any child,

he

> drink a

> > lot of lemonade with sweeteners in, why everybody say that

> Saccharin

> > is neuro toxin, is it or not, safe or not???

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Goran, Macedonia

> > >

> > >

> > > __________________________________________________

> > >

[Guest guest]

Hi

Goran,

I’ll

try and give some straight answers.

I

don’t think many British kids drink tea and a lot of British adults drink

tea with no sugar or sweetner.

We

don’t put sugar or sweetners in juice either.

Kids

in Britain though do drink

sweetened drinks. They are common but they are pre-sweetened and NOT healthy.

Some

people on this list have juicers and make their own juice. They probably don’t

add sweetners. A lot of people buy them. we buy White organic pear juice, not from concentrate

which you can buy at www.goodnessdirect.co.uk.

It’s expensive but we dilute it. My Tom doesn’t have sweetners because we don’t add it to drinks and I can’t

cook!!!  (we do buy biscuits with a bit

of honey in them though)

SARA

-----Original

Message-----

From:

Autism-Biomedical-Europe

[mailto:Autism-Biomedical-Europe ] On Behalf Of pani pani

Sent: 26 October 2007 12:35

To:

Autism-Biomedical-Europe

Subject: Re:

Re: OT: - SUGAR SUPLEMENT - Saccharine - Safe or NOT ???

Thank you for the

replys..

BUT, I still dont get

answer...

Did your children drink

juices, not from shops, home made...

Did your children drink

tea...

Simple, What you put them

in their juice and tea as sugar suplement ????

Regards

stephaniesirr <mark.grabiecntlworld>

wrote:

We use manuka but Tom hates the taste and it's a devil

to cook with

in my experience as you can't drip it. Are you melting it first?

We use manuka with aloe vera at present for bacteria (yes, I know

aloe vera is not SCD, we haven't started in earnest yet!!). It's £5

a jar from Sainsbury's but it's so hard to get out of the pot it

seems to last us ages!!

Steph x

> > >

> > > Hi,

> > >

> > > Its Goran from Macedonia writting...

> > > I have a question and is very important to me:

> > > My son likes very much to drink juices, a tons...

> > > Now he drink only lemon lemonade, plum compote, no sugar

> added...

> > > But he likes sweat...

> > > I was adviced that Stevia is not SCD legal and that

> Hermesetas

> > sweetener is the best...

> > > So I make a huge expedition and find Swiss Hermesetas mini

> > sweetener, and buy for the next 3 years....

> > > BUT, reading around, on other groups, and from other

> parrents, I

> > receive advices that

> > > saccrine is a neuro toxin and this is not safe for my

son....

> > > The link for Hermseat mini sweetenrs and content:

> > > http://www.hermeset

as.com/data/ en/products/

> country/nutritio

> > n/switzerland. html

> > >

> > > Switzerland Hermesetas mini sweeteners

> > >

> > > Sweeteners: Pure Sodium Saccharin

> > > 1 tablet sweetens as much as one teaspoon of sugar (about

5

> g)

> > > Suitable for diabetics

> > > Zero calories

> > > Protects the teeth

> > > Hermesetas mini sweeteners contains Per tablet Per 100 g

> Protein 0

> > mg 0 g Carbohydrates, available 0 mg 0 g Fat 0 mg 0 g Energy

0

> kJ

> > > 0 kcal 0 kJ

> > > 0 kcal Sodium 1.25 mg 10.0 g

> > >

> > > PLEASE, any advice, is this ok for my son, for any child,

he

> drink a

> > lot of lemonade with sweeteners in, why everybody say that

> Saccharin

> > is neuro toxin, is it or not, safe or not???

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Goran, Macedonia

> > >

> > >

> > > __________________________________________________

> > >

[Guest guest]

OK, Thanks, very gratefull... Im talking about the families which children or child is autistic and they use SCD or any anti Candida diet or yeast diet... My san as a baby use to drink a lot of cammomile, mint tea and juices, he drink a tons... But now we are on SCD and he continue to drink a lot of beverages and this good for him, BUT, he dont like water at all... So, I think that I have 2 issues: 1. To avoid sweets in beverages at all, and give him pure water.. 2. To buy a good Juicer and mix him lemonade The third is thaat I use to say that the 1st think I need to do to help my son is to change my country of living, cose, here, in Macedonia we can not buy organic safe jiuces in shops, so I buy him a lot of pears and he eat them well, but didnt make him a pear juice, cose he eat well... Thanks Goran,

MacedoniaSass and Rem wrote: Hi Goran, I’ll try and give some straight answers. I don’t think many British kids drink tea and a lot of British adults drink tea with no sugar or sweetner. We don’t put sugar or sweetners in juice either. Kids in Britain though do drink sweetened drinks. They are common but they are pre-sweetened and NOT healthy. Some people on this list have juicers and make their own juice. They probably don’t add sweetners. A lot of people buy them. we buy White organic pear juice, not from concentrate which you can buy at www.goodnessdirect.co.uk. It’s expensive but we dilute it. My Tom doesn’t have sweetners because we don’t add it to drinks and I can’t cook!!! (we do buy biscuits with a bit of honey in them though) SARA -----Original Message-----From: Autism-Biomedical-Europe [mailto:Autism-Biomedical-Europe ] On Behalf Of pani paniSent: 26 October 2007 12:35To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe Subject: Re: Re: OT: - SUGAR SUPLEMENT - Saccharine - Safe or NOT ??? Thank you for the replys.. BUT, I still dont get answer... Did your children drink juices, not from shops, home made... Did your children drink tea... Simple, What you put them in their juice and tea as

sugar suplement ???? Regardsstephaniesirr <mark.grabiecntlworld> wrote: We use manuka but Tom hates the taste and it's a devil to cook with in my experience as you can't drip it. Are you melting it first? We use manuka with aloe vera at present for bacteria (yes, I know aloe vera is not SCD, we haven't started in earnest yet!!). It's £5 a jar from Sainsbury's but it's so hard to get out of the pot it seems to last us ages!!Steph x > > >> > > Hi,> > > > > > Its Goran from Macedonia writting...> > > I have a question and is very important to me:> > > My son likes very much to drink juices, a tons...> > > Now he drink only lemon lemonade, plum compote,

no sugar > added...> > > But he likes sweat...> > > I was adviced that Stevia is not SCD legal and that > Hermesetas> > sweetener is the best...> > > So I make a huge expedition and find Swiss Hermesetas mini> > sweetener, and buy for the next 3 years....> > > BUT, reading around, on other groups, and from other > parrents, I> > receive advices that > > > saccrine is a neuro toxin and this is not safe for my son....> > > The link for Hermseat mini sweetenrs and content:> > > http://www.hermeset as.com/data/ en/products/ > country/nutritio> > n/switzerland. html> > > > > > Switzerland Hermesetas mini sweeteners > > > > > > Sweeteners: Pure Sodium Saccharin > > > 1 tablet sweetens as much as one teaspoon of sugar

(about 5 > g) > > > Suitable for diabetics > > > Zero calories > > > Protects the teeth> > > Hermesetas mini sweeteners contains Per tablet Per 100 g > Protein 0> > mg 0 g Carbohydrates, available 0 mg 0 g Fat 0 mg 0 g Energy 0 > kJ> > > 0 kcal 0 kJ> > > 0 kcal Sodium 1.25 mg 10.0 g> > > > > > PLEASE, any advice, is this ok for my son, for any child, he > drink a> > lot of lemonade with sweeteners in, why everybody say that > Saccharin> > is neuro toxin, is it or not, safe or not???> > > > > > Regards,> > > Goran, Macedonia> > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________> > >

[Guest guest]

I don't use added sweeteners and avoid things with sugar (sucrose) as

far as possible. if you're doing SCD then really your only option is

honey, but not too much at that. In the long term you have to re-

educate your child's palate so they accept things being less sweet;

there is no simple solution. It's easier if you're going low sugar

rather than no sugar, I know you can't do that with SCD.

So I give my son chocloate (he seems OK with it) that's 85% cocoa, no

milk in it, natural vanilla (ie not vanillin) and it's so strong

he'll only want a little bit - so not much sugar, but there's still

some. Any juices are pure fruit; they really should be diluted with

water. No tea, no coffee.If you're doing vegetable juices then you

will have to add in lots of carrots to every batch and/or home made

apple/pear juice.

Sorry, in the end, you have to get your child away from very sweet

things.

Margaret

> > > >

> > > > Hi,

> > > >

> > > > Its Goran from Macedonia writting...

> > > > I have a question and is very important to me:

> > > > My son likes very much to drink juices, a tons...

> > > > Now he drink only lemon lemonade, plum compote, no sugar

> > added...

> > > > But he likes sweat...

> > > > I was adviced that Stevia is not SCD legal and that

> > Hermesetas

> > > sweetener is the best...

> > > > So I make a huge expedition and find Swiss Hermesetas mini

> > > sweetener, and buy for the next 3 years....

> > > > BUT, reading around, on other groups, and from other

> > parrents, I

> > > receive advices that

> > > > saccrine is a neuro toxin and this is not safe for my

> son....

> > > > The link for Hermseat mini sweetenrs and content:

> > > > http://www.hermeset as.com/data/ en/products/

> > country/nutritio

> > > n/switzerland. html

> > > >

> > > > Switzerland Hermesetas mini sweeteners

> > > >

> > > > Sweeteners: Pure Sodium Saccharin

> > > > 1 tablet sweetens as much as one teaspoon of sugar (about

> 5

> > g)

> > > > Suitable for diabetics

> > > > Zero calories

> > > > Protects the teeth

> > > > Hermesetas mini sweeteners contains Per tablet Per 100 g

> > Protein 0

> > > mg 0 g Carbohydrates, available 0 mg 0 g Fat 0 mg 0 g Energy

> 0

> > kJ

> > > > 0 kcal 0 kJ

> > > > 0 kcal Sodium 1.25 mg 10.0 g

> > > >

> > > > PLEASE, any advice, is this ok for my son, for any child,

> he

> > drink a

> > > lot of lemonade with sweeteners in, why everybody say that

> > Saccharin

> > > is neuro toxin, is it or not, safe or not???

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Goran, Macedonia

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > __________________________________________________

> > > >

[Guest guest]

I

know, sorry, but I still don’t think it’s

common practice to give even herbal teas even on this list, although I could be

wrong. They are probably good for them but I’ve never thought about

giving them to Tom. I suppose one way to get your child to drink less is to

gradually lessen the amount of sweeteners or sugar. I don’t know much

about SCD but xylitol is generally thought to be a

healthy sweetener (high in glutamate though, apparently). Sorry seems it’s

just a tough thing!

We

didn’t have organic fruit juices here either until recently, so I can

sympathise.

Good

luck,

SARA

-----Original

Message-----

From: Autism-Biomedical-Europe

[mailto:Autism-Biomedical-Europe ] On Behalf Of pani pani

Sent: 26 October 2007 13:24

To:

Autism-Biomedical-Europe

Subject: RE:

Re: OT: - SUGAR SUPLEMENT - Saccharine - Safe or NOT ???

OK, Thanks, very

gratefull...

Im talking about the

families which children or child is autistic and they use SCD or any anti

Candida diet or yeast diet...

My san as a baby use to

drink a lot of cammomile, mint tea and juices, he drink a tons...

But now we are on SCD and

he continue to drink a lot of beverages and this good for him, BUT, he dont

like water at all...

So, I think that I

have 2 issues:

1. To avoid sweets in

beverages at all, and give him pure water..

2. To buy a good Juicer

and mix him lemonade

The third is thaat I use

to say that the 1st think I need to do to help my son is to change my country

of living, cose, here, in Macedonia we can not buy organic safe jiuces in

shops, so I buy him a lot of pears and he eat them well, but didnt make him a

pear juice, cose he eat well...

Thanks

Goran, Macedonia

Sass and Rem

<Moroza-Tiscali (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

Hi Goran,

I’ll try and give some straight

answers.

I don’t think many British kids drink

tea and a lot of British adults drink tea with no sugar or sweetner.

We don’t put sugar or sweetners in juice either.

Kids in Britain

though do drink sweetened drinks. They are common but they are pre-sweetened

and NOT healthy.

Some people on this list have juicers and

make their own juice. They probably don’t add sweetners.

A lot of people buy them. we buy White organic

pear juice, not from concentrate which you can buy at www.goodnessdirect.co.uk.

It’s expensive but we dilute it. My Tom doesn’t have sweetners because we don’t add it to drinks and I

can’t cook!!! (we do buy biscuits with a bit of honey in them

though)

SARA

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From: Autism-Biomedical-Europe

[mailto:Autism-Biomedical-Europe ] On Behalf Of pani pani

Sent: 26 October 2007 12:35

To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe

Subject: Re:

Re: OT: - SUGAR SUPLEMENT - Saccharine - Safe or NO T ???

Thank you for the replys..

BUT, I still dont get

answer...

Did your children drink

juices, not from shops, home made...

Did your children drink

tea...

Simple, What you put them

in their juice and tea as sugar suplement ????

Regards

stephaniesirr

<mark.grabiecntlworld> wrote:

We use manuka but Tom

hates the taste and it's a devil to cook with

in my experience as you can't drip it. Are you melting it first?

We use manuka with aloe vera at present for bacteria (yes, I know

aloe vera is not SCD, we haven't started in earnest yet!!). It's £5

a jar from Sainsbury's but it's so hard to get out of the pot it

seems to last us ages!!

Steph x

> > >

> > > Hi,

> > >

> > > Its Goran from Macedonia writting...

> > > I have a question and is very important to me:

> > > My son likes very much to drink juices, a tons...

> > > Now he drink only lemon lemonade, plum compote, no sugar

> added...

> > > But he likes sweat...

> > > I was adviced that Stevia is not SCD legal and that

> Hermesetas

> > sweetener is the best...

> > > So I make a huge expedition and find Swiss Hermesetas mini

> > sweetener, and buy for the next 3 years....

> > > BUT, reading around, on other groups, and from other

> parrents, I

> > receive advices that

> > > saccrine is a neuro toxin and this is not safe for my

son....

> > > The link for Hermseat mini sweetenrs and content:

> > > http://www.hermeset

as.com/data/ en/products/

> country/nutritio

> > n/switzerland. html

> > >

> > > Switzerland Hermesetas mini sweeteners

> > >

> > > Sweeteners: Pure Sodium Saccharin

> > > 1 tablet sweetens as much as one teaspoon of sugar (about

5

> g)

> > > Suitable for diabetics

> > > Zero calories

> > > Protects the teeth

> > > Hermesetas mini sweeteners contains Per tablet Per 100 g

> Protein 0

> > mg 0 g Carbohydrates, available 0 mg 0 g Fat 0 mg 0 g Energy

0

> kJ

> > > 0 kcal 0 kJ

> > > 0 kcal Sodium 1.25 mg 10.0 g

> > >

> > > PLEASE, any advice, is this ok for my son, for any child,

he

> drink a

> > lot of lemonade with sweeteners in, why everybody say that

> Saccharin

> > is neuro toxin, is it or not, safe or not???

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Goran, Macedonia

> > >

> > >

> > > __________________________________________________

> > >

[Guest guest]

Hi Goran, My kids did not like water either. When they were small I

used to make dilute chamomile tea and keep that in the fridge and mix

it with apple juice...might go nicely with the pear juice and give

the water some flavor...that might make it easier to gradually reduce

the pear juice.

We're doing the anti-candida diet now...the kids drink goat milk (1/2

gallon each per day) which has really helped in getting off the

juice, if it is tolerated. The doc considers goat milk to be much

less " sweet " than cow's milk...I don't know if this has to do with

the different casein protein (a2) but it is supposed to be much

easier on the digestion. The goat milk makes a great vehicle for

dissolving the probiotics.

Lots of my friends use stevia to cut down on sugar, but our doc

advises against all sweetener substitutes (stevia, xylitol, honey,

the lot) when combatting candida. He insists on no fruit...if the

kids have an apple we are supposed to take 5 capsules of probiotic.

Alternatively, if your boy likes lemonade you could gradually make it

more dilute until you end up with water flavored with a little

lemon...the less lemon, the less sweetener needed.

Good luck...change is tough. I hope it works for you to go gradual.

Randi

> > > >

> > > > Hi,

> > > >

> > > > Its Goran from Macedonia writting...

> > > > I have a question and is very important to me:

> > > > My son likes very much to drink juices, a tons...

> > > > Now he drink only lemon lemonade, plum compote, no sugar

> > added...

> > > > But he likes sweat...

> > > > I was adviced that Stevia is not SCD legal and that

> > Hermesetas

> > > sweetener is the best...

> > > > So I make a huge expedition and find Swiss Hermesetas mini

> > > sweetener, and buy for the next 3 years....

> > > > BUT, reading around, on other groups, and from other

> > parrents, I

> > > receive advices that

> > > > saccrine is a neuro toxin and this is not safe for my

> son....

> > > > The link for Hermseat mini sweetenrs and content:

> > > > http://www.hermeset as.com/data/ en/products/

> > country/nutritio

> > > n/switzerland. html

> > > >

> > > > Switzerland Hermesetas mini sweeteners

> > > >

> > > > Sweeteners: Pure Sodium Saccharin

> > > > 1 tablet sweetens as much as one teaspoon of sugar (about

> 5

> > g)

> > > > Suitable for diabetics

> > > > Zero calories

> > > > Protects the teeth

> > > > Hermesetas mini sweeteners contains Per tablet Per 100 g

> > Protein 0

> > > mg 0 g Carbohydrates, available 0 mg 0 g Fat 0 mg 0 g Energy

> 0

> > kJ

> > > > 0 kcal 0 kJ

> > > > 0 kcal Sodium 1.25 mg 10.0 g

> > > >

> > > > PLEASE, any advice, is this ok for my son, for any child,

> he

> > drink a

> > > lot of lemonade with sweeteners in, why everybody say that

> > Saccharin

> > > is neuro toxin, is it or not, safe or not???

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Goran, Macedonia

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > __________________________________________________

> > > >

[Guest guest]

we get through a lot of chamomile and mint tea, and also Sleepy time

tea which contains rose buds. It's very calming but.... elaine's book

doesn't mention rose buds (unsurprisingly) so hard to tell whether

they're SCD or not. But presumably weak tea, in quantity, is refreshing.

Maybe water and lemon juice is the answer - it's quite sensory, quite

sharp. Maybe it's a whole education thing for his tastebuds - and in

the long term better to have grief now to really crack the yeast

issues once and for all. That's how we feel at the moment.

Stephx

> > > > >

> > > > > Hi,

> > > > >

> > > > > Its Goran from Macedonia writting...

> > > > > I have a question and is very important to me:

> > > > > My son likes very much to drink juices, a tons...

> > > > > Now he drink only lemon lemonade, plum compote, no sugar

> > > added...

> > > > > But he likes sweat...

> > > > > I was adviced that Stevia is not SCD legal and that

> > > Hermesetas

> > > > sweetener is the best...

> > > > > So I make a huge expedition and find Swiss Hermesetas mini

> > > > sweetener, and buy for the next 3 years....

> > > > > BUT, reading around, on other groups, and from other

> > > parrents, I

> > > > receive advices that

> > > > > saccrine is a neuro toxin and this is not safe for my

> > son....

> > > > > The link for Hermseat mini sweetenrs and content:

> > > > > http://www.hermeset as.com/data/ en/products/

> > > country/nutritio

> > > > n/switzerland. html

> > > > >

> > > > > Switzerland Hermesetas mini sweeteners

> > > > >

> > > > > Sweeteners: Pure Sodium Saccharin

> > > > > 1 tablet sweetens as much as one teaspoon of sugar (about

> > 5

> > > g)

> > > > > Suitable for diabetics

> > > > > Zero calories

> > > > > Protects the teeth

> > > > > Hermesetas mini sweeteners contains Per tablet Per 100 g

> > > Protein 0

> > > > mg 0 g Carbohydrates, available 0 mg 0 g Fat 0 mg 0 g Energy

> > 0

> > > kJ

> > > > > 0 kcal 0 kJ

> > > > > 0 kcal Sodium 1.25 mg 10.0 g

> > > > >

> > > > > PLEASE, any advice, is this ok for my son, for any child,

> > he

> > > drink a

> > > > lot of lemonade with sweeteners in, why everybody say that

> > > Saccharin

> > > > is neuro toxin, is it or not, safe or not???

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Goran, Macedonia

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > __________________________________________________

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

It will be evry hard, but I think that the only solutin is to make him a compote and no need for add sugar suplm... or to give him only a pure water and thats all...stephaniesirr wrote: we get through a lot of chamomile and mint tea, and also Sleepy timetea which contains rose buds. It's very calming but.... elaine's bookdoesn't mention rose buds (unsurprisingly) so hard to tell whetherthey're SCD or not. But presumably weak tea, in quantity, is refreshing. Maybe water and lemon

juice is the answer - it's quite sensory, quitesharp. Maybe it's a whole education thing for his tastebuds - and inthe long term better to have grief now to really crack the yeastissues once and for all. That's how we feel at the moment.Stephx > > > > >> > > > > Hi,> > > > > > > > > > Its Goran from Macedonia writting...> > > > > I have a question and is very important to me:> > > > > My son likes very much to drink juices, a tons...> > > > > Now he drink only lemon lemonade, plum compote, no sugar

> > > added...> > > > > But he likes sweat...> > > > > I was adviced that Stevia is not SCD legal and that > > > Hermesetas> > > > sweetener is the best...> > > > > So I make a huge expedition and find Swiss Hermesetas mini> > > > sweetener, and buy for the next 3 years....> > > > > BUT, reading around, on other groups, and from other > > > parrents, I> > > > receive advices that > > > > > saccrine is a neuro toxin and this is not safe for my > > son....> > > > > The link for Hermseat mini sweetenrs and content:> > > > > http://www.hermeset as.com/data/ en/products/ > > > country/nutritio> > > > n/switzerland. html> > > > > > > > > > Switzerland

Hermesetas mini sweeteners > > > > > > > > > > Sweeteners: Pure Sodium Saccharin > > > > > 1 tablet sweetens as much as one teaspoon of sugar (about > > 5 > > > g) > > > > > Suitable for diabetics > > > > > Zero calories > > > > > Protects the teeth> > > > > Hermesetas mini sweeteners contains Per tablet Per 100 g > > > Protein 0> > > > mg 0 g Carbohydrates, available 0 mg 0 g Fat 0 mg 0 g Energy > > 0 > > > kJ> > > > > 0 kcal 0 kJ> > > > > 0 kcal Sodium 1.25 mg 10.0 g> > > > > > > > > > PLEASE, any advice, is this ok for my son, for any child, > > he > > > drink a> > > > lot of lemonade with sweeteners in, why everybody say that > > >

Saccharin> > > > is neuro toxin, is it or not, safe or not???> > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > Goran, Macedonia> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________> > > > >