Guest guest Posted March 10, 2003 Report Share Posted March 10, 2003 Mel Siff: If one realises that they can be a lot of fun used periodically > > and are not something which assumes the status of a Pilates cult, then > > KBs can play a useful adjunct role to other training. Totally agree. Anything cult-like is intolerable. Good points Mark. I will say that I actually did feel something special when I hit a power clean, and especially a power snatch. You know how in sports such as tennis or golf when you hit the ball in the " sweet spot " of the club or raquet there is this effortless transfer of power? Olympic lifts have that type of " sweet spot. " Done correctly, they feel effortless. That's probably why I like KBs - they are like mini-Olympic lifts. Mike Sasin Westminster, CO > Was: High Repetition Ballistic Lifts > > Mel Siff: > > > [Come to one of our Supertraining Strength Camps and we will show > > you several methods of exercise which can do that with or without > > apparatus! For one - try my wife's advanced high speed version of her > > seated fitness class at about 300 beats per minute. We will also show > > anyone who has used the ball how to really use the ball via the use of > > applied biomechanics and PNF to provide a far greater challenge than > > you have ever learned before. > > Mel, as you know, I have done many different sports in my last 32 years > of competition, including gymnatics,triathlon and powerlifting. Why a > specific motion or movement pattern attracts someone I believe is a > highly specific and unknowable thing. > > Why, after trying stability balls and kettlebells, I " fell in love > with them " is just as mysterious to me as when it was competitive > gymnastics that inspired such passion I dreamt about nothing else > (that I could recall) for many many years. > > I am sure there are numerous ways I could get my heart rate up > (including your wifes inspired class,which I would like to try), but > some appeal to me more than others. > > There was something " special " that happened to me when I first swung > the KB that did NOT happen to me when I first tried a power clean or > olympic snatch. I felt very much like the fundamental swing in > gymnatics that I havent been able to do in twenty years. I try to > embrace this instinct and not question it too much. It has steered me > very well these many years. > > Why does one prefer Tai Chi to Western Boxing? Is one inherently > better than the other? Of course not. > > Mel Siff: > > > [in cases like that I apply free standing or PART (partner assisted > > resistance training) methods without any apparatus - these are > > far less complicated than weights or KB and cost nothing. They > > also cover a far greater range than weights or KBs and are far > > safer for people of all ages. We used bronze KBs at my former university > > way back in 1963 and found that they were quite useful as an occasional > > training supplement, but that they did not offer any real advantage over > > a combination of weight training, gymnastics and wrestling, so they > > fell into disuse after the novelty wore off for us (which took less than > > a year). > > Mark: > > the real advantage to me over gymnastics, wrestling and olympic style > lifting is that I can do it MUCH more easily!!! I cannot do > gymnastics anymore and wrestling has no appeal. The KB's can be used > alone, require a high but not extreme level of techniques, and a very > high intensity workout can be had very quickly.This is especially > true for my clients. > > Again, the look, the feel, the simplicity, the history and the > movements themselves just appeal to me. > > I also still love to squat on stability balls too!LOL!! > > Mel Siff: > > >If one realises that they can be a lot of fun used periodically > > and are not something which assumes the status of a Pilates cult, then > > KBs can play a useful adjunct role to other training. ) > > Mark: > > Agreed. I tend to obsess though and actually enjoy this state a bit! > LOL!I thought KB's might supplant powerlifting but it has just become > an adjunct obsession! > > Mark Reifkind > Palo Alto Calif USA > > *Don't forget to sign all letters with full name and city if you > wish them to be published! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2003 Report Share Posted March 10, 2003 Mark Reifkind writes: << Why, after trying stability balls and kettlebells, I " fell in love with them " is just as mysterious to me as-------There was something " special " that happened to me when I first swung the KB that did NOT happen to me when I first tried a power clean or olympic snatch. >> Telle-- :-} thats cause you werent standing on one foot atop a stability ball!! :-} Seems to me you guys over complicate the issue. Traditional kettle bells did not have a revolving grip sleeve--thus the center of gravity is suspended below said hand grip and the handles do not rotate in ones hands--like bars (especially Olympic)or dumbbells. Much less mental? physical ? force/energy is used with kettle bells to counter rotational forces--much the same as performing Olympic bar deadlifts with a mixed grip vs having the palms facing the same direction? Do todays KB'S have revolving hand sleeves? Jerry Telle Lakewood CO USA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2003 Report Share Posted March 11, 2003 > Good points Mark. I will say that I actually did feel something > special when I hit a power clean, and especially a power snatch. You > know how in sports such as tennis or golf when you hit the ball in > the " sweet spot " of the club or raquet there is this effortless > transfer of power? Olympic lifts have that type of " sweet spot. " Done > correctly, they feel effortless. That's probably why I like KBs - > they are like mini-Olympic lifts. > > Mike Sasin > Westminster, CO > > Mike, Power cleans never felt as good to me as do the KB's. Something about the one hand aspect of it, I think. It reminds me very much of the basic gymnastics swing I did on parallel bars(especially)rings and horizontal bar. In fact the KB also reminds me of the rings themselves with their thick oval handle.I also like the rythmic nature of the high repetitions and the focus they require. Mark Reifkind Palo Alto Ca Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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