Guest guest Posted December 17, 2002 Report Share Posted December 17, 2002 Synchronized Sports Nutrition Recently, the medical literature has paid attention to the effect of diurnal (daily), circadian and other cycles of bodily rhythms on the prescription of drugs. Researchers have observed that drugs have a different effect and effectiveness at different times of the day. Sometimes, small doses administered at one time of the day are considerably more effective than large doses given at other times. Side effects and drug interactions are more pronounced at some times of the day than others. The adverse interaction between certain drugs and certain foodstuffs is also more marked at particular times of the day. Some pharmaceutical companies have begun to print on their product information sheets that their drugs need to be administered at specific times to optimise their effectiveness. This has interesting implications for normal nutrition. If one examines nutrition clinically, all food consists of a complex combination of chemical substances necessary for the sustaining of life. If synthetic drugs are utilised by the body in different ways in different combinations at different times, then it is not unlikely that naturally occurring chemicals in food would also be used by the body according to similar rules. That this is the case began to emerge from Russian research reported by Pshendin (Legkaya Atletika 1988, 6: 14). Here, the Russians point out that the nutritional tables and regimes proliferated by dietitians and scientists are merely averages for the 'average' person under 'average' circumstances. These supposedly reflect what is necessary for maintenance of 'average' bodymass and health in the 'average' man, woman or child under certain conditions of activity or inactivity. They stress that prescription of a specific percentage of carbohydrate, protein or fats needs to be viewed with circumspection to avoid contravention of the principle of individualisation. Dietary regimes need to be designed according to gender, age, activities, environmental conditions, metabolic rate, aesthetic appeal and individual response to each food. The Russians identify excessive caloric intake in the form of cakes, sweets, pastries and fried foods, cooking in animal fat or heat treated vegetable oils, and insufficient intake of fresh vegetables, fruit, herbs and tubers as major problems with modern diets. Pshendin makes the radical suggestion that less attention should be paid to visiting friends with gifts of cakes and alcohol or to extolling the virtues of gourmet cooking of intricate dishes. Instead, he considers that we should treat friends with salad and fruit dishes, and have contests for the best fruit and vegetable dishes. Certainly, in most up-market restaurants, more attention is paid to the meat and fish portion of the meal than the vegetables, which are invariably regarded as more decorative than nutritional. Current emphasis on take-away fried foods, stir fries and fondues involving cooking at high temperature in reheated oil is an example of the type of cooki ng frowned upon Russian experts on sports nutrition. The popularity of the only Mac in Moscow is a cause for fur-ther adverse comment. It seems as if Eastern and Western nutritional experts are in close accord in several respects. Where the Russians differ from many Western dietitians is on the frequency and timing of meals. They consider that it is not only food deficiencies which cause ill health and reduced sporting performance. It is also a consequence of too few meals per day and irregular meals. They have conducted research to show that the levels and efficiency of hormones, energy-producing substances (glucose, fats and phosphagens), amino-acids, and various enzymes, especially the digestive enzymes, fluctuate throughout the day. Consequently, the digestion of foods and the ability of the body to use the final products of digestion for body maintenance, growth, repair and performance, depends on when and how frequently the food is ingested. The Russians emphasize that too low a frequency of meals (two or three meals a day), even when the caloric intake is sufficient, has a negative effect on the metabolism of proteins, carbohydrates and fats. They state that an optimum frequency of four or five meals is more favourable for promoting metabolic efficiency, recuperation and the ability to cope with physical and mental stress. Thus, the nutritional regime must be matched carefully to each stage of the periodised training process from microcycle to macrocycle to optimally develop most of the physical conditioning factors including strength, endurance and muscle mass. The concept of periodisation thus may be seen to embrace far more than a simple sequence of light, medium and high intensity cardiovascular or resistance exercise. At its most thorough level it encompasses all possible factors which have a bearing on the acquisition of general and specific fitness. It appears as if properly synchronised nutrition needs to become an integral part of the holistic periodisation process. ---------------- Dr Mel C Siff Denver, USA http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Supertraining/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2002 Report Share Posted December 18, 2002 Dr Siff, I completely agree with you, actually last year's presentation was about something called chronosupplementation. Of course i made up the name and the meaning of it but I do agree with what you wrote in your letter on " chrononutrition. " I use certain supplements depending on the timing of the event, time of day, season, etc, and it really works. Serrano Ohio * Kindly sign all letters with full name and city if you wish them to be published! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2002 Report Share Posted December 18, 2002 If I remember correctly, Vince Gironda used to advocate a similar way of eating. He also didn't believe in eating mixed meals and felt that protein and carbohydrate should be eaten separately. The idea of taking in certain foods or drugs at certain times sounds good, but does/will it really work? I think it would need a lot of controlled studies to find out. I also question the way the digestive system works and I do hope someone will set me straight here if I am incorrect. It is my understanding that it can take several hours to digest protein. Obviously some of it is going to be absorbed immediately, but this process goes on for a long while. Let's say you eat a steak at 7 a.m. and three hours later you eat a plate of steamed broccoli. The steak is not digested by the time you dump the vegetables in on top of it so in reality it all gets mixed together anyway. Personally, I find a steak eaten with broccoli more enjoyable than either eaten alone. So would I just be orthorexic by eating one thing at a time (or maybe acting like a little kid?). In addition, all this may be possible for a state-supported athlete who has nothing better to do than eat, train and sleep. But what about most people, athletes included, who live real lives. This certainly goes for most Russians. As far as the other recommendations, ingesting less fast food, sweets and vodka should be well taken. Whether it will or not is another story. I also wonder about the food supply in Russia at the moment. It has always been problematic for many. Is it still like that or have things changed? Rosemary Vernon, Editor Dolfzine On-Line Fitness, Inc.® A Not-For-Profit Corporation www.dolfzine.com Marina del Rey, CA IronRoses@... http://www.chuckietechie.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2002 Report Share Posted December 18, 2002 Poliquin answered a simliar question of protein and carb meals being seperate in a recent Q/A column of his. Here is what he had to say: " I don't agree with protein carb separation as the insulogenic response is too great at the carb only meal. It was one of those zany ideas from the Muscle Beach sub-culture of the early eighties. The carb only meal make most people drowsy at best. Spiking the insulin with no protein increase inflammatory response in the human body, hence increases in LDL cholesterol, and triglycerides, pro-inflammatory messengers, decreases in anti-oxydant reserves are just a few of the negative side effects of this dietary approach. In other words, carb only meals will increase of anything from lowering vision to hyperlipidemia. Furthermore spiking the insulin will make you have an unwanted rise in cortisol a few hours later as the body tries to restore homeostasis. Increased cortisol is linked to rapid aging of the brain, increase fat storage on the abdominal wall, and catabolism of the muscle mass. " [Did he provide any references for all of the different issues involved? Mel Siff] Dahms Boston, MA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2002 Report Share Posted December 18, 2002 > In addition, all this may be possible for a state-supported athlete > who has nothing better to do than eat, train and sleep. But what > about most people, athletes included, who live real lives. This > certainly goes for most Russians. This is something I have pondered. Okay for the bodybuilder or powerlifter whose training usually consists of brief bursts of two phase (lift-lower) exercises. But what of the Olympic Lifter (8-10 phase), Gymnasts, Runner, Track and Field athlete. Try and train while trying to digest large amounts of protein. A good comparison is cycling and running. Cyclists can get away with eating large amounts of protein as they train in a stable environment. As mentioned Tour de France cyclists do eat a up to 3gr per kg of protein while competing. A runner could not get away with this jogging along with a undigested food in the stomache. That being said I think all people can eat smaller meals more frequently. All working people should get 2 teabreaks and lunch and be able to eat a snack on the way to the gym in the evening to get their six meals a day. The problem is making time to prepare the food and getting a balance that one can stick to. > As far as the other recommendations, ingesting less fast food, > sweets and vodka should be well taken. Agreed. Hamish Ferguson Christchurch, New Zealand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2002 Report Share Posted December 19, 2002 Serrano wrote: >>> Dr Siff, I completely agree with you, actually last year's presentation was about something called chronosupplementation. Of course i made up the name and the meaning of it but I do agree with what you wrote in your letter on " chrononutrition. " I use certain supplements depending on the timing of the event, time of day, season, etc, and it really works. **** , would it be possible to give the group a few examples? Additionally, when you say 'it really works,' how did you quantify the effectiveness of " chrononutrition? " Many thanks in advance Carruthers Wakefield UK * Don't forget to sign all letters with full name and city if you wish them to be published! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2002 Report Share Posted December 23, 2002 In a message dated 12/19/02 7:09:32 PM Eastern Standard Time, Carruthersjam@... writes: > Serrano wrote: > > >>>Dr Siff, I completely agree with you, actually last year's > presentation was about something called chronosupplementation. Of > course i made up the name and the meaning of it but I do agree with > what you wrote in your letter on " chrononutrition. " I use certain > supplements depending on the timing of the event, time of day, > season, etc, and it really works. > > **** , would it be possible to give the group a few examples? > Additionally, when you say 'it really works,' how did you quantify > the effectiveness of " chrononutrition? " > > Many thanks in advance > > Carruthers > Wakefield UK > > * Don't forget to sign all letters with full name and city if you > wish them to be published! > > > > Dear : I apologize for my tardiness. I have been very busy for the past few ways. I use a lot of chronosupplementation in my office based on research and experience. I am going to open a pandora box because i dont have all these papers in my head except a few that i can remember so as i go along i will try to put them in place. The biggest sample that i have is protein consumption after workouts. I found out that the best time if inmediately after the workout and it doesnt need carbohydrates like people or research papers stated, also this is an important time to consume free from aminos or rapid digestable proteins. (journal of physiology, 2001, 535.1, i think). Please excuse Dr. Siff but some of these papers i am trying tio remember from the top of my head. Also youshould never take creatine before workouts like must supplements companies do. Why because it can casue cramps and yes i know what the research stated, but i did consultant work for a college and 22 players out of 24 were having cramps after practice and they didnt know why so they called me and all i did is ask the team not to keep drinking a creatine containing drink that they had before practice adn the cramps stopped in all of them except one and i also see it in my office, is it related to water intake or potassium or salt, i dont know it might be related to all of the above, but if you take potassium with creatine then you dont get cramps. Another is carbohydate intake before a competition, unless you are severy depleted the best time to comsume a high carbohydrate meals are the night before the event unless trying to mantain a certain weight, and the best meal usually is pizza the night before, try it.Also if you are going to consume high fat meals they are better after workouts because the muscles will try to replensih their own intramuscular lipids instead of subcutaneous(Am J of Regulatory In. Comp. Physiology 281). These are just some examples of chrono supplementation and when is best to take supplements. I have a other suggestions and recommendations depending in the sport or the goals. Thnak you Serrano Ohio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2002 Report Share Posted December 29, 2002 Serrano wrote: << I am going to open a pandora box because i dont have all these papers in my head except a few that i can remember so as i go along i will try to put them in place. The biggest sample that i have is protein consumption after workouts. I found out that the best time if inmediately after the workout and it doesnt need carbohydrates like people or research papers stated, also this is an important time to consume free from aminos or rapid digestable proteins. (journal of physiology, 2001, 535.1, i think). >> **** Here are the research articles which cited (I hope?!): Rennie, M.J. (2001). Grandad, it ain't what you eat, it depends when you eat it - that's how muscles grow! Journal of Physiology, 535.1, 2-2. Taken from: http://www.jphysiol.org/cgi/content/full/535/1/2 <<The word 'sarcopenia' was coined to identify the condition of loss of skeletal muscle that occurs in wasting diseases and also during ageing. This loss of muscle constitutes a major problem for patients with a wide variety of chronic medical conditions including cancer, cardiovascular, respiratory and renal disease, and when it affects the respiratory muscles it prevents weaning from artificial respiration of patients in intensive care units. In the elderly, the maintenance of muscle strength is a major contributor to the ability to continue to carry out daily physical tasks successfully and safely. Naturally, many physiologists and rehabilitation experts have been drawn to the question of how to prevent the loss in muscle mass and possibly how to reverse it. There have now been over 50 studies carried out in older subjects, of ages up to 97 years! Most of these have demonstrated that resistance exercise can produce substantial increases in muscle strength and power and more limited, but nevertheless significant, increases in muscle mass and muscle fibre cross-sectional area (CSA) (Frontera et al. 1988; Skelton et al. 1995; Young, 1997). Nevertheless, it would make sense to find ways of increasing muscle mass in the elderly, not only because muscle strength and functionality would probably be improved more but also because of the attendant metabolic advantages in having a high lean to fat weight body ratio, including increases in glucose tolerance and the capacity to oxidize fat. The paper published in this issue of The Journal of Physiology by Esmarck et al. (2001) provides us with some very interesting insights into the nutritional control of muscle mass. What Birgitte Esmarck and her colleagues have done is to demonstrate that, for the elderly, it matters considerably when a person eats a protein meal after having done some exercise. Delaying the consumption of a meal for 2 h after exercise limited the increase in muscle fibre growth after a programme of progressive resistance exercise in elderly men - of a mean age of 74 years. However, when the meal was taken immediately after exercise there was much greater efficacy in stimulating muscle growth, measured as increases in muscle fibre CSA (determined histochemically) and whole muscle CSA (determined by magnetic resonance imaging). It has been known from previous work that strenuous exercise alone stimulates human muscle protein synthesis for up to 48 h after the bout with the maximum response occurring somewhere in the period between the end of exercise and 12 h afterwards - and very probably at about 3 h ( et al. 1997). This increase occurs even without amino acids being supplied exogenously, either orally or intravenously, but the stimulation is markedly increased when amino acids are given concurrently with or immediately after exercise (Tipton et al. 1999). However, the paper by Esmarck et al. (2001) is the first to demonstrate that the net result of stimulating the anabolic processes in muscle by strenuous exercise and timely consumption of a protein- containing meal causes a bigger increase in net muscle growth, i.e. fibre size and macroscopic CSA, than when the meal is delayed to 2 h after exercise. There are, however, some puzzling aspects to the results. Blake Rasmussen and colleagues from Bob Wolfe's lab in Galveston have shown in young subjects that there is little difference in the stimulation of muscle protein synthesis (and no difference in the inhibition of muscle protein breakdown) when a protein- carbohydrate meal is given either 1 or 3 h after strenuous exercise (Rasmussen et al. 2000). The net balances of amino acids across the previously working leg were identical, suggesting that the net accretion of protein was the same whether the meal was given at 1 or 3 h. This obviously is at odds with the results presented by Esmarck et al. (2001). Of course, the major difference may be in the relative sensitivity of the muscle of the elderly subjects to contractile activity and to exogenous amino acids. Work from the Galveston lab has also shown recently that elderly subjects appear to exhibit what might be called 'nutrient resistance' of protein synthesis, in as much as they show a diminished response to exogenous amino acids plus carbohydrate, compared to young subjects (Volpi et al. 2000). Maybe the elderly muscle is stimulated by contractile activity normally but the effect wears off faster than in the young and then 'nutrient resistance' might stop a full response to food. This paper by Esmarck and colleagues (2001) not only provides important clues about the control of muscle mass by contractile activity and nutrition, but also provides practical insights for those wishing to help the elderly in maintaining size and functions of their muscle by a judicious combination of exercise and adequate and timely dietary intake.>> <<<<<Also if you are going to consume high fat meals they are better after workouts because the muscles will try to replensih their own intramuscular lipids instead of subcutaneous(Am J of Regulatory In. Comp. Physiology 281). **** See this paper: Décombaz, J., Schmitt, B., Ith, M., Decarli, B., Diem, P., Kreis, R., Hoppeler, H. and Boesch, C. (2001). Postexercise fat intake repletes intramyocellular lipids but no faster in trained than in sedentary subjects. Am J Physiol Regulatory Integrative Comp Physiol, 281, R760-R769. For the full article go to (and search): http://ajpregu.physiology.org/ The hypotheses that postexercise replenishment of intramyocellular lipids (IMCL) is enhanced by endurance training and that it depends on fat intake were tested. Trained and untrained subjects exercised on a treadmill for 2 h at 50% peak oxygen consumption, reducing IMCL by 26-22%. During recovery, they were fed 55% (high fat) or 15% (low fat) lipid energy diets. Muscle substrate stores were estimated by 1H (IMCL)- and 13C (glycogen)-magnetic resonance spectroscopy in tibialis anterior muscle before and after exercise. Resting IMCL content was 71% higher in trained than untrained subjects and correlated significantly with glycogen content. Both correlated positively with indexes of insulin sensitivity. After 30 h on the high-fat diet, IMCL concentration was 30-45% higher than preexercise, whereas it remained 5-17% lower on the low-fat diet. Training status had no significant influence on IMCL replenishment. Glycogen was restored within a day with both diets. We conclude that fat intake postexercise strongly promotes IMCL repletion independently of training status. Furthermore, replenishment of IMCL can be completed within a day when fat intake is sufficient. --------------- Carruthers Wakefield UK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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