Guest guest Posted November 14, 2002 Report Share Posted November 14, 2002 Mel Siff writes: << The saying that a " chain is only as strong as its weakest link " certainly appears to be true in all rigid systems, but does it have to be qualified or re-stated if it contains a sequence of links some of which are rigid, non-rigid and fluidic? In such a case, the rigid elements are stronger than the non-rigid elements and much 'stronger' than the fluidic elements, so we are now compelled to examine how strength is defined in a " linked " system. >> Too much time and too many thoughts in your life? Mel - PLEASE start on that definitions book! Humbly, as always, Jerry Telle lakewood CO USA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2002 Report Share Posted November 18, 2002 Casler writes: << Most of that awareness is triggered by being able to understand and visualize the functions and forces at play in the body. Perhaps as Jerry says I have developed a " keener " sense of certain concepts, but keeping them to myself will do no one but myself any good. If someone finds a concept or idea " enhancing " and another finds it " confusing " what should one do? Well either allow yourself to " absorb " the greater understanding and eliminate the confusion, or disregard it and remain " content " with what you already understand. Jerry-- Yes ,....... why do think Im so desperate to see those pictures or even better have someone shoot a video and send me the tape. I have about every format known to man. What may be the case, that I have so poorly chosen words for --is we might have more of an idea of your projections than any of us can express--If a picture is worth a thousand words a video s worth a million. Telle law 398? Casler-- I remember when I was a young kid in HS throwing the discus. I was strong and lifted weights with all the intensity I could muster. My coach kept demanding " put your hip into your throw " . I had absolutely NO IDEA what the heck he was talking about. What did my " hip " have to do with the discus I was throwing out of my hand? Telle-- If you threw 185' in 8th grade, you were using your hip--maybe in high school your " inner wisdom " pronounced that your newly acquired immense strength didnt require the old ways. I threw the 8 lb shot 51 " in the 9th grade--and 48 in the 10th and had increased my strength by at least 70% over the previous year. When at my last high school reunion I saw a picture of myself doing something to the discus, under which the caption read--nice form jerry--where my chest was so far in front of my hips it looked like I was trying to unscrew my self!! Sometimes we get ahead of our selves! The lesson, dont lead with your head(ideas) lead with your hips(proof) the center of your strength(sounds like a new telleism)-- Casler-- If I only knew then, what I know now. [if I only knew how little I knew then and how much more that I don't yet know!! Mel Siff] Telle-- Well you two have come to the right person-- " I know " this for sure--you both have too much time on your hands. Jerry Telle Lakewwod CO USA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2002 Report Share Posted November 19, 2002 Casler wrote: There is no way allowing a link to not be conditioned to its strongest potential will result in an equally strong chain. Period.> Mel Siff: << I am only asking that people question the unconditional application of the aphorism that a " chain is only as strong as its weakest link " and thereby come to a better understanding of its relevance in biological systems.>> Casler writes: Nothing wrong with pointing out that tissues have varying strength in " specific " applications and under varying conditions, but to make it sound like the " weaker " tissues actually contribute to " overall " strength is not true. A tissue can only be classified as " weaker " if, in fact, it IS weaker in that application. The weaker tissues in a specific application or under specific conditions are always the limiting factor in a kinetic chain by defining them as weaker. Mel Siff wrote: <<Each type of tissue in the body may be increased in strength to a certain extent and the " weaker " elements will always be proportionately weaker than the stronger elements. Another complicating factor is that the strength of many tissues changes with loading or load rate, so that it is misleading and inaccurate to make any universal claims about a given structure always being stronger in the body under all conditions.>> Casler writes: That is an excellent point. A good example is the spinal disc. When it is loaded with equal distribution of force over its structure, it can, in many cases, be stronger than the vertebrae. In fact, it has been said that the vertebrae will fail, before the disc under some loading conditions. Mel Siff wrote: <<In other words, it is more accurate to state that " chain is only as strong as its weakest link at a given moment under given conditions " and that this might not be true under other conditions. In this regard, it might also be relevant to point out that a link which is 'strongest' under certain conditions and at certain times is not the strongest under different conditions and at different times. >> Casler writes: I totally agree!! Casler wrote: <So I stand firmly on my original statement of, " the transmission of force through the kinetic chain can only be as efficient as the weakest link in that chain. " > Mel Siff wrote: << A major problem still remains: Why then is it not at all uncommon for some of the apparently strongest components in the limbs to be injured before the weaker components? For example, tendons or ligaments should not rupture because they are mechanical much stronger than muscle tissue - and at certain loading rates they are even stronger than bone. Every orthopaedic clinic is filled with patients whose 'stronger' links have failed before their 'weaker' links. Explain.>> Casler writes: I think we made the point above (and agree) that " each " chain has links where the structural integrity is dependant on the load application and " function " of the tissue under that load. This type of analysis is one of the reasons I advocate examining the " chain " (s) under question and seeing where and how all the forces are directed and experienced. The creation and application of force through a complex body like our own, is a terribly complicated matrix of transient force studies. There is not just a " single chain " , there are not just single forces. There is a structured framework of thousands of parts, playing roles of creators, transmitters, and stabilizers that change on second by second basis. The ability to recognize this and how it either affects the body itself or the local environment it acts on, is a wondrous awareness. A. Casler Century City, CA TRI-VECTOR 3-D Force Systems *Don't forget to sign all letters with full name and city of residence if you wish them to be published! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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