Re: Death panels

[Guest guest]

Dr. Janda is a Republican who has long been opposed to any type of health

care funded by the government, including Medicare and Medicaid.  His solution to

the health care crisis is to require all citizens to have a health savings plan

and buy their own insurance.  He's never said where the poor and elderly should

get the money for this, though. 

Subject: Death panels

To: hyperaldosteronism

Date: Sunday, October 31, 2010, 4:09 PM

Dr. Grim, here is a good explanation of the " death panels " I've been talking

about.  It is all in the stimulus bill and the Obamacare bill.  As much as we

all want to think differently, it's all there.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HnkxIh62dQ & feature=share

 

Val

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Sorry could not get any sound from this site.There are no death panels. It is a Republican Hoax.Except those that exist with private insurance.I just had a patient whose 80 year old wife died after heart surgery and the bill was $400,000. Now that is a death panel if I ever heard of one.As he said this will kill me.CE Grim MD Dr. Grim, here is a good explanation of the "death panels" I've been talking about. It is all in the stimulus bill and the Obamacare bill. As much as we all want to think differently, it's all there. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HnkxIh62dQ & feature=share Val

[Guest guest]

Paging Dr. Janda. He has some big holes in his claims and a lot of misinformation.

http://www.impulsenine.com/homepage/pages/2009/09/paging-dr-janda.html

Dr. Grim, here is a good explanation of the "death panels" I've been talking about. It is all in the stimulus bill and the Obamacare bill. As much as we all want to think differently, it's all there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HnkxIh62dQ & feature=share

Val

[Guest guest]

So I assume he wants to do away with the VA system as well. Not to mention eliminate all of SS and Medicare. So called Socialized medicine I call it civilized medicine. Be sure to vote. CE Grim MD. Dr. Janda is a Republican who has long been opposed to any type of health care funded by the government, including Medicare and Medicaid. His solution to the health care crisis is to require all citizens to have a health savings plan and buy their own insurance. He's never said where the poor and elderly should get the money for this, though. Subject: Death panelsTo: hyperaldosteronism Date: Sunday, October 31, 2010, 4:09 PMDr. Grim, here is a good explanation of the "death panels" I've been talking about. It is all in the stimulus bill and the Obamacare bill. As much as we all want to think differently, it's all there. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HnkxIh62dQ & feature=share Val

[Guest guest]

Depends on how you look at it, I guess. My HMO has the power of life and death

over me right now. They have to give their approval for every specialist I see

and every test I have.

>>There are no death panels. It is a Republican Hoax.

[Guest guest]

Thanks a. Seems to be a lot of Mispeak from Dr. Janda.CE Grim MD Paging Dr. Janda. He has some big holes in his claims and a lot of misinformation. http://www.impulsenine.com/homepage/pages/2009/09/paging-dr-janda.html --- Subject: Re: Death panelsTo: hyperaldosteronism Cc: "Clarence Grim" Date: Sunday, October 31, 2010, 7:44 PMSorry could not get any sound from this site.There are no death panels. It is a Republican Hoax.Except those that exist with private insurance.I just had a patient whose 80 year old wife died after heart surgery and the bill was $400,000. Now that is a death panel if I ever heard of one.As he said this will kill me.CE Grim MD Dr. Grim, here is a good explanation of the "death panels" I've been talking about. It is all in the stimulus bill and the Obamacare bill. As much as we all want to think differently, it's all there. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HnkxIh62dQ & feature=share Val

[Guest guest]

Dr. Grim, the video is of a Michigan physician explaining

how the first death panel was set up in the stimulus bill. It is called the " Federal

Coordinating Council for Comparative Effectiveness Research. " As this doc explains, comparative

effectiveness research will yield a ratio (cost of treatment/expected years of

benefit. That council will do the

research into what is effective. To

do that, a national database will be established. The only way you can avoid being part of

that database is to see doctors privately and pay them cash. That council was funded at $1.1

billion. Its 15 members are

appointed by the president (done three days after the stimulus bill was

signed). Then, Obamacare provided for a multi-billion dollar center to

implement the decisions of the FCCCER council.

Perhaps you can copy/paste the link

so you could year it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HnkxIh62dQ & feature=share

While you can call it a Republican Hoax, you cannot argue

with the words that have been written and passed into law. Under Obamacare, that 80-year-old woman

would get pain pills or nitro; certainly not surgery. Her ratio would be too large.

Val

From: hyperaldosteronism

[mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Clarence Grim

Sorry could not get any sound from

this site.

There

are no death panels. It is a Republican Hoax.

Except

those that exist with private insurance.

I

just had a patient whose 80 year old wife died after heart surgery and the bill

was $400,000. Now that is a death panel if I ever heard of one.

As

he said this will kill me.

CE

Grim MD

On

Oct 31, 2010, at 2:09 PM, Valarie wrote:

Dr. Grim, here is a good

explanation of the " death panels " I've been talking about. It is all in the stimulus bill and the

Obamacare bill. As much as

we all want to think differently, it's all there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HnkxIh62dQ & feature=share

Val

[Guest guest]

I wasn't referring to any email

so cannot comment on that. I was

referring to a video of the good doc himself (one of those who will retire if

the government gets between him and his patients).

Val

From: hyperaldosteronism

[mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of a Hall

Paging

Dr. Janda. He has some big holes in his claims and a lot of

misinformation.

http://www.impulsenine.com/homepage/pages/2009/09/paging-dr-janda.html

[Guest guest]

From what a sent this guy or who ever puts together his message does not speak the truth. So you want no comparative effectiveness research?Surely you joke.CE Grim MDDr. Grim, the video is of a Michigan physician explaining how the first death panel was set up in the stimulus bill. It is called the "Federal Coordinating Council for Comparative Effectiveness Research." As this doc explains, comparative effectiveness research will yield a ratio (cost of treatment/expected years of benefit. That council will do the research into what is effective. To do that, a national database will be established. The only way you can avoid being part of that database is to see doctors privately and pay them cash. That council was funded at $1.1 billion. Its 15 members are appointed by the president (done three days after the stimulus bill was signed). Then, Obamacare provided for a multi-billion dollar center to implement the decisions of the FCCCER council. Perhaps you can copy/paste the link so you could year it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HnkxIh62dQ & feature=shareWhile you can call it a Republican Hoax, you cannot argue with the words that have been written and passed into law. Under Obamacare, that 80-year-old woman would get pain pills or nitro; certainly not surgery. Her ratio would be too large. Val From: hyperaldosteronism [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Clarence Grim Sorry could not get any sound from this site. There are no death panels. It is a Republican Hoax. Except those that exist with private insurance. I just had a patient whose 80 year old wife died after heart surgery and the bill was $400,000. Now that is a death panel if I ever heard of one. As he said this will kill me. CE Grim MD Dr. Grim, here is a good explanation of the "death panels" I've been talking about. It is all in the stimulus bill and the Obamacare bill. As much as we all want to think differently, it's all there. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HnkxIh62dQ & feature=share Val

[Guest guest]

Good riddance I would say as he seems to practice sports medicine.look at: http://www.impulsenine.com/homepage/pages/2009/09/paging-dr-janda.html

[Guest guest]

How do you get a death panel out of this? show us where it comes from.

SEC. 804. FEDERAL COORDINATING COUNCIL FOR COMPARATIVE

EFFECTIVENESS RESEARCH. (a) ESTABLISHMENT.—There is hereby

established a Federal Coordinating Council for Comparative

Effectiveness Research (in this section referred to as the ``Council'').

( PURPOSE.—The Council shall foster optimum coordination

of comparative effectiveness and related health services research

conducted or supported by relevant Federal departments and agencies,

with the goal of reducing duplicative efforts and encouraging

coordinated and complementary use of resources.

© DUTIES.—The Council shall—

(1) assist the offices and agencies of the Federal Government,

including the Departments of Health and Human Services,

Veterans Affairs, and Defense, and other Federal departments

or agencies, to coordinate the conduct or support of

comparative effectiveness and related health services research;

and

(2) advise the President and Congress on—

(A) strategies with respect to the infrastructure needs

of comparative effectiveness research within the Federal

Government; and

( organizational expenditures for comparative

effectiveness research by relevant Federal departments and

agencies.

(d) MEMBERSHIP.—

H. R. 1—74

(1) NUMBER AND APPOINTMENT.—The Council shall be composed

of not more than 15 members, all of whom are senior

Federal officers or employees with responsibility for healthrelated

programs, appointed by the President, acting through

the Secretary of Health and Human Services (in this section

referred to as the ``Secretary''). Members shall first be appointed

to the Council not later than 30 days after the date of the

enactment of this Act.

(2) MEMBERS.—

(A) IN GENERAL.—The members of the Council shall

include one senior officer or employee from each of the

following agencies:

(i) The Agency for Healthcare Research and

Quality.

(ii) The Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services.

(iii) The National Institutes of Health.

(iv) The Office of the National Coordinator for

Health Information Technology.

(v) The Food and Drug Administration.

(vi) The Veterans Health Administration within

the Department of Veterans Affairs.

(vii) The office within the Department of Defense

responsible for management of the Department of

Defense Military Health Care System.

( QUALIFICATIONS.—At least half of the members

of the Council shall be physicians or other experts with

clinical expertise.

(3) CHAIRMAN; VICE CHAIRMAN.—The Secretary shall serve

as Chairman of the Council and shall designate a member

to serve as Vice Chairman.

(e) REPORTS.—

(1) INITIAL REPORT.—Not later than June 30, 2009, the

Council shall submit to the President and the Congress a

report containing information describing current Federal activities

on comparative effectiveness research and recommendations

for such research conducted or supported from funds

made available for allotment by the Secretary for comparative

effectiveness research in this Act.

(2) ANNUAL REPORT.—The Council shall submit to the President

and Congress an annual report regarding its activities

and recommendations concerning the infrastructure needs,

organizational expenditures and opportunities for better

coordination of comparative effectiveness research by relevant

Federal departments and agencies.

(f) STAFFING; SUPPORT.—From funds made available for allotment

by the Secretary for comparative effectiveness research in

this Act, the Secretary shall make available not more than 1 percent

to the Council for staff and administrative support.

(g) RULES OF CONSTRUCTION.—

(1) COVERAGE.—Nothing in this section shall be construed

to permit the Council to mandate coverage, reimbursement,

or other policies for any public or private payer.

(2) REPORTS AND RECOMMENDATIONS.—None of the reports

submitted under this section or recommendations made by the

Council shall be construed as mandates or clinical guidelines

for payment, coverage, or treatment.

>

> Dr. Grim, here is a good explanation of the " death panels " I've been talking

> about. It is all in the stimulus bill and the Obamacare bill. As much as

> we all want to think differently, it's all there.

>

> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HnkxIh62dQ & feature=share>

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HnkxIh62dQ & feature=share

>

> Val

>

[Guest guest]

link to whole bill

http://readthestimulus.org/hr1_final.pdf

> >

> > Dr. Grim, here is a good explanation of the " death panels " I've been talking

> > about. It is all in the stimulus bill and the Obamacare bill. As much as

> > we all want to think differently, it's all there.

> >

> > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HnkxIh62dQ & feature=share>

> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HnkxIh62dQ & feature=share

> >

> > Val

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hmmmm. I don't see death panel in here at all?CE Grim MDOn Oct 31, 2010, at 7:37 PM, Francis Bill SUSPECTED PA wrote:How do you get a death panel out of this? show us where it comes from.SEC. 804. FEDERAL COORDINATING COUNCIL FOR COMPARATIVEEFFECTIVENESS RESEARCH. (a) ESTABLISHMENT.—There is herebyestablished a Federal Coordinating Council for ComparativeEffectiveness Research (in this section referred to as the ``Council'').( PURPOSE.—The Council shall foster optimum coordinationof comparative effectiveness and related health services researchconducted or supported by relevant Federal departments and agencies,with the goal of reducing duplicative efforts and encouragingcoordinated and complementary use of resources.© DUTIES.—The Council shall—(1) assist the offices and agencies of the Federal Government,including the Departments of Health and Human Services,Veterans Affairs, and Defense, and other Federal departmentsor agencies, to coordinate the conduct or support ofcomparative effectiveness and related health services research;and(2) advise the President and Congress on—(A) strategies with respect to the infrastructure needsof comparative effectiveness research within the FederalGovernment; and( organizational expenditures for comparativeeffectiveness research by relevant Federal departments andagencies.(d) MEMBERSHIP.—H. R. 1—74(1) NUMBER AND APPOINTMENT.—The Council shall be composedof not more than 15 members, all of whom are seniorFederal officers or employees with responsibility for healthrelatedprograms, appointed by the President, acting throughthe Secretary of Health and Human Services (in this sectionreferred to as the ``Secretary''). Members shall first be appointedto the Council not later than 30 days after the date of theenactment of this Act.(2) MEMBERS.—(A) IN GENERAL.—The members of the Council shallinclude one senior officer or employee from each of thefollowing agencies:(i) The Agency for Healthcare Research andQuality.(ii) The Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services.(iii) The National Institutes of Health.(iv) The Office of the National Coordinator forHealth Information Technology.(v) The Food and Drug Administration.(vi) The Veterans Health Administration withinthe Department of Veterans Affairs.(vii) The office within the Department of Defenseresponsible for management of the Department ofDefense Military Health Care System.( QUALIFICATIONS.—At least half of the membersof the Council shall be physicians or other experts withclinical expertise.(3) CHAIRMAN; VICE CHAIRMAN.—The Secretary shall serveas Chairman of the Council and shall designate a memberto serve as Vice Chairman.(e) REPORTS.—(1) INITIAL REPORT.—Not later than June 30, 2009, theCouncil shall submit to the President and the Congress areport containing information describing current Federal activitieson comparative effectiveness research and recommendationsfor such research conducted or supported from fundsmade available for allotment by the Secretary for comparativeeffectiveness research in this Act.(2) ANNUAL REPORT.—The Council shall submit to the Presidentand Congress an annual report regarding its activitiesand recommendations concerning the infrastructure needs,organizational expenditures and opportunities for bettercoordination of comparative effectiveness research by relevantFederal departments and agencies.(f) STAFFING; SUPPORT.—From funds made available for allotmentby the Secretary for comparative effectiveness research inthis Act, the Secretary shall make available not more than 1 percentto the Council for staff and administrative support.(g) RULES OF CONSTRUCTION.—(1) COVERAGE.—Nothing in this section shall be construedto permit the Council to mandate coverage, reimbursement,or other policies for any public or private payer.(2) REPORTS AND RECOMMENDATIONS.—None of the reportssubmitted under this section or recommendations made by theCouncil shall be construed as mandates or clinical guidelinesfor payment, coverage, or treatment.> > Dr. Grim, here is a good explanation of the "death panels" I've been talking> about. It is all in the stimulus bill and the Obamacare bill. As much as> we all want to think differently, it's all there.> > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HnkxIh62dQ & feature=share>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HnkxIh62dQ & feature=share> > Val>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the link. I just searched for death panels and no reference was found in the 407 pages.CE Grim MDOn Oct 31, 2010, at 7:40 PM, Francis Bill SUSPECTED PA wrote:link to whole bill http://readthestimulus.org/hr1_final.pdf--- In hyperaldosteronism , "Francis Bill SUSPECTED PA" wrote:>> How do you get a death panel out of this? show us where it comes from.> > SEC. 804. FEDERAL COORDINATING COUNCIL FOR COMPARATIVE> EFFECTIVENESS RESEARCH. (a) ESTABLISHMENT.—There is hereby> established a Federal Coordinating Council for Comparative> Effectiveness Research (in this section referred to as the ``Council'').> ( PURPOSE.—The Council shall foster optimum coordination> of comparative effectiveness and related health services research> conducted or supported by relevant Federal departments and agencies,> with the goal of reducing duplicative efforts and encouraging> coordinated and complementary use of resources.> © DUTIES.—The Council shall—> (1) assist the offices and agencies of the Federal Government,> including the Departments of Health and Human Services,> Veterans Affairs, and Defense, and other Federal departments> or agencies, to coordinate the conduct or support of> comparative effectiveness and related health services research;> and> (2) advise the President and Congress on—> (A) strategies with respect to the infrastructure needs> of comparative effectiveness research within the Federal> Government; and> ( organizational expenditures for comparative> effectiveness research by relevant Federal departments and> agencies.> (d) MEMBERSHIP.—> H. R. 1—74> (1) NUMBER AND APPOINTMENT.—The Council shall be composed> of not more than 15 members, all of whom are senior> Federal officers or employees with responsibility for healthrelated> programs, appointed by the President, acting through> the Secretary of Health and Human Services (in this section> referred to as the ``Secretary''). Members shall first be appointed> to the Council not later than 30 days after the date of the> enactment of this Act.> (2) MEMBERS.—> (A) IN GENERAL.—The members of the Council shall> include one senior officer or employee from each of the> following agencies:> (i) The Agency for Healthcare Research and> Quality.> (ii) The Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services.> (iii) The National Institutes of Health.> (iv) The Office of the National Coordinator for> Health Information Technology.> (v) The Food and Drug Administration.> (vi) The Veterans Health Administration within> the Department of Veterans Affairs.> (vii) The office within the Department of Defense> responsible for management of the Department of> Defense Military Health Care System.> ( QUALIFICATIONS.—At least half of the members> of the Council shall be physicians or other experts with> clinical expertise.> (3) CHAIRMAN; VICE CHAIRMAN.—The Secretary shall serve> as Chairman of the Council and shall designate a member> to serve as Vice Chairman.> (e) REPORTS.—> (1) INITIAL REPORT.—Not later than June 30, 2009, the> Council shall submit to the President and the Congress a> report containing information describing current Federal activities> on comparative effectiveness research and recommendations> for such research conducted or supported from funds> made available for allotment by the Secretary for comparative> effectiveness research in this Act.> (2) ANNUAL REPORT.—The Council shall submit to the President> and Congress an annual report regarding its activities> and recommendations concerning the infrastructure needs,> organizational expenditures and opportunities for better> coordination of comparative effectiveness research by relevant> Federal departments and agencies.> (f) STAFFING; SUPPORT.—From funds made available for allotment> by the Secretary for comparative effectiveness research in> this Act, the Secretary shall make available not more than 1 percent> to the Council for staff and administrative support.> (g) RULES OF CONSTRUCTION.—> (1) COVERAGE.—Nothing in this section shall be construed> to permit the Council to mandate coverage, reimbursement,> or other policies for any public or private payer.> (2) REPORTS AND RECOMMENDATIONS.—None of the reports> submitted under this section or recommendations made by the> Council shall be construed as mandates or clinical guidelines> for payment, coverage, or treatment.> > > > > > Dr. Grim, here is a good explanation of the "death panels" I've been talking> > about. It is all in the stimulus bill and the Obamacare bill. As much as> > we all want to think differently, it's all there.> > > > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HnkxIh62dQ & feature=share>> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HnkxIh62dQ & feature=share> > > > Val> >>

[Guest guest]

a, I wasn't making any judgments on whether Dr. Janda

is correct or not. I was just pointing

out that he nailed the death panels issue in the new federal legislation. They are there.

If people bought a high-deductible health insurance policy

along with payments into a spending account when they were 25, there would come

a time when the accumulated deposits would pay the premium for the rest of the

person's life. Eventually, there

would be no need for Medicare. As

it is, Medicare people spend $3,500 - $7,500/year. That, plus the government spends $12,000

per recipient per year. Just think

what could be done with $16,000 - $20,000 a year!

In Colorado, a 25 yo man can buy $10,000 deductible for

about $100 a month. A man &

woman, 40 yo with two children can buy the same plan for $218/month. A 63 yo woman can buy the same plan for

$225.

Here is an article I published

http://hearus-now.org/?p=1166%3F

They are waiting for my next one. It will deal with the benefits of having

a spending plan accumulate over the years.

Then, the next one will deal with how our society groups people by their

circumstances. When a senior

presents a Medicare card, the immediate reaction is " old. " When a single mother with a disabled

child presents her Medicaid card, the immediate reaction is

" welfare. " I'm still

trying to figure out why we categorize people like that. I guess it's control.

Val

From:

hyperaldosteronism [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On

Behalf Of a Hall

Dr. Janda is a Republican who

has long been opposed to any type of health care funded by the government,

including Medicare and Medicaid. His solution to the health care crisis

is to require all citizens to have a health savings plan and buy

their own insurance. He's never said where the poor and elderly should

get the money for this, though.

Subject: Death panels

To: hyperaldosteronism

Date: Sunday, October 31, 2010, 4:09 PM

Dr. Grim, here is a good explanation of the " death panels " I've been

talking about. It is all in the stimulus bill and the Obamacare

bill. As much as we all want to think differently, it's all there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HnkxIh62dQ & feature=share

Val

[Guest guest]

Here is the same story from another physician.

http://biggovernment.com/author/egeorge/

Dr. Grim, here is a good explanation of the " death panels " I've been

talking about. It is all in the stimulus bill and the Obamacare

bill. As much as we all want to think differently, it's all there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HnkxIh62dQ & feature=share

Val

[Guest guest]

Here is the report from so called death panel. It is 77 pages long. Haven't read

much of it yet.

http://www.hhs.gov/recovery/programs/cer/cerannualrpt.pdf

>

> Here is the same story from another physician.

> <http://biggovernment.com/author/egeorge/>

> http://biggovernment.com/author/egeorge/

>

>

>

>

> Dr. Grim, here is a good explanation of the " death panels " I've been talking

> about. It is all in the stimulus bill and the Obamacare bill. As much as

> we all want to think differently, it's all there.

>

> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HnkxIh62dQ & feature=share>

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HnkxIh62dQ & feature=share

>

> Val

>

[Guest guest]

Here is the report from so called death panel. It is 77 pages long. Haven't read

much of it yet.

http://www.hhs.gov/recovery/programs/cer/cerannualrpt.pdf

>

> Here is the same story from another physician.

> <http://biggovernment.com/author/egeorge/>

> http://biggovernment.com/author/egeorge/

>

>

>

>

> Dr. Grim, here is a good explanation of the " death panels " I've been talking

> about. It is all in the stimulus bill and the Obamacare bill. As much as

> we all want to think differently, it's all there.

>

> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HnkxIh62dQ & feature=share>

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HnkxIh62dQ & feature=share

>

> Val

>

[Guest guest]

Some physicians who write stuff haven't read the bill either. She is an ENT and prob threatened because payments to specialists may go down.Guess they did not take 's advice to read it so they would know what was in it.Shame on them.I have downloaded all 407 pages and so can anyone. Bill sent the link.CEHere is the same story from another physician.http://biggovernment.com/author/egeorge/ From: Valarie Dr. Grim, here is a good explanation of the "death panels" I've been talking about. It is all in the stimulus bill and the Obamacare bill. As much as we all want to think differently, it's all there. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HnkxIh62dQ & feature=share Val

[Guest guest]

Some physicians who write stuff haven't read the bill either. She is an ENT and prob threatened because payments to specialists may go down.Guess they did not take 's advice to read it so they would know what was in it.Shame on them.I have downloaded all 407 pages and so can anyone. Bill sent the link.CEHere is the same story from another physician.http://biggovernment.com/author/egeorge/ From: Valarie Dr. Grim, here is a good explanation of the "death panels" I've been talking about. It is all in the stimulus bill and the Obamacare bill. As much as we all want to think differently, it's all there. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HnkxIh62dQ & feature=share Val

[Guest guest]

HR-1

http://readthestimulus.org/hr1_final.pdf

Title VIII (p. 61) $1,500,000,000

($1.5 billion) to build a medical dossier on everyone.

Title VIII (p 63) $1,100,000,000

($1.1 billion) to set up the Comparative Effectiveness Research board. That board will advise the Obamacare

board on rationing. There are

better ways to reduce prices and increase quality. Look at the Lasik market.

The numbers = what Dr. Janda put

in the video.

Actually, said they had to

pass the bill so they could find out what's in it. Pretty pathetic that all those people

voted for it without knowing what was in it. Yeah, shame on them.

That ENT's fees should be between

a patient and the doctor, and prices should be transparent. Government should have nothing to do

with it.

About that deficit …

Val

From:

hyperaldosteronism [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On

Behalf Of Clarence Grim

Some physicians who write stuff haven't read the bill

either. She is an ENT and prob threatened because payments to specialists

may go down.

Guess

they did not take 's advice to read it so they would know what was in it.

Shame

on them.

I

have downloaded all 407 pages and so can anyone. Bill sent the link.

CE

On

Oct 31, 2010, at 8:51 PM, Valarie wrote:

Here is the same story from another physician.

http://biggovernment.com/author/egeorge/

Dr. Grim, here is a good explanation of the " death panels " I've been

talking about. It is all in the stimulus bill and the Obamacare

bill. As much as we all want to think differently, it's all there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HnkxIh62dQ & feature=share

Val

[Guest guest]

HR-1

http://readthestimulus.org/hr1_final.pdf

Title VIII (p. 61) $1,500,000,000

($1.5 billion) to build a medical dossier on everyone.

Title VIII (p 63) $1,100,000,000

($1.1 billion) to set up the Comparative Effectiveness Research board. That board will advise the Obamacare

board on rationing. There are

better ways to reduce prices and increase quality. Look at the Lasik market.

The numbers = what Dr. Janda put

in the video.

Actually, said they had to

pass the bill so they could find out what's in it. Pretty pathetic that all those people

voted for it without knowing what was in it. Yeah, shame on them.

That ENT's fees should be between

a patient and the doctor, and prices should be transparent. Government should have nothing to do

with it.

About that deficit …

Val

From:

hyperaldosteronism [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On

Behalf Of Clarence Grim

Some physicians who write stuff haven't read the bill

either. She is an ENT and prob threatened because payments to specialists

may go down.

Guess

they did not take 's advice to read it so they would know what was in it.

Shame

on them.

I

have downloaded all 407 pages and so can anyone. Bill sent the link.

CE

On

Oct 31, 2010, at 8:51 PM, Valarie wrote:

Here is the same story from another physician.

http://biggovernment.com/author/egeorge/

Dr. Grim, here is a good explanation of the " death panels " I've been

talking about. It is all in the stimulus bill and the Obamacare

bill. As much as we all want to think differently, it's all there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HnkxIh62dQ & feature=share

Val

[Guest guest]

Man, Frances, you are hot on the

research tonight. I'm

impressed! That is the first death

panel. The panel that will

implement rationing is in the Obamacare bill.

Val

From:

hyperaldosteronism [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On

Behalf Of Francis Bill SUSPECTED PA

Here is the report from so called death panel. It is 77

pages long. Haven't read much of it yet.

http://www.hhs.gov/recovery/programs/cer/cerannualrpt.pdf

>

> Here is the same story from another physician.

> <http://biggovernment.com/author/egeorge/>

> http://biggovernment.com/author/egeorge/

>

>

>

>

> Dr. Grim, here is a good explanation of the " death panels " I've

been talking

> about. It is all in the stimulus bill and the Obamacare bill. As much as

> we all want to think differently, it's all there.

>

> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HnkxIh62dQ & feature=share>

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HnkxIh62dQ & feature=share

[Guest guest]

Man, Frances, you are hot on the

research tonight. I'm

impressed! That is the first death

panel. The panel that will

implement rationing is in the Obamacare bill.

Val

From:

hyperaldosteronism [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On

Behalf Of Francis Bill SUSPECTED PA

Here is the report from so called death panel. It is 77

pages long. Haven't read much of it yet.

http://www.hhs.gov/recovery/programs/cer/cerannualrpt.pdf

>

> Here is the same story from another physician.

> <http://biggovernment.com/author/egeorge/>

> http://biggovernment.com/author/egeorge/

>

>

>

>

> Dr. Grim, here is a good explanation of the " death panels " I've

been talking

> about. It is all in the stimulus bill and the Obamacare bill. As much as

> we all want to think differently, it's all there.

>

> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HnkxIh62dQ & feature=share>

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HnkxIh62dQ & feature=share

[Guest guest]

Do you honestly expect them to

use those words? If you google

" death panel " you get nearly 700 hits. Lots of people are writing about what is

going on. Thank God for the

Internet and social media. Tuesday

brings a tsunami.

Frances, watch the Dr. Janda

video. He explains the death

panels. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HnkxIh62dQ & feature=share>

Val

From: hyperaldosteronism

[mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Clarence Grim

Hmmmm. I don't see death panel in here at all?

CE

Grim MD

On

Oct 31, 2010, at 7:37 PM, Francis Bill SUSPECTED PA wrote:

How do

you get a death panel out of this? show us where it comes from.

SEC. 804. FEDERAL COORDINATING COUNCIL FOR COMPARATIVE

EFFECTIVENESS RESEARCH. (a) ESTABLISHMENT.—There is hereby

established a Federal Coordinating Council for Comparative

Effectiveness Research (in this section referred to as the ``Council'').