Re: FW: OT..A Walk for the President

[Guest guest]

Calling ourselves a 'christian nation' is an incomplete description of our great nation. We are more than just christians. We have seperation of church and state for obvious reasons. The fact that there are beautiful, yet antiquated monuments, with christian comments; should not be interpreted as a whole definition of the entire nation's sentiment. Neither should it be a description of where our nation continues. The sentiments are beautiful and inspirational - to christians and maybe to a few others also. However, the time has come for us to embrace the true sentiments of our nation- E-plurabus unum. A sentiment that is inclusive, rather than divisive. Here's why I feel calling ourselves a christian nation is divisive.

Until we honor all our citizens equally, we cause feelings of separation. Perhaps those aren't intentional outcomes. Never the less, it is separatist. I don't suggest removing the longstanding monuments that declare beautiful christian theological phrases.

Perhaps it's time to allow other religions to place equally inspirational sentiments in our nation's most visible sites? Would all christians feel ok with that? If as a christian, you feel some knot of anxiety or a bit of outrage at a muslim or wiccan monument with this idea, think how non-christian Americans may feel knowing that it's fair for christians to place their theological idioms in government buildings paid for by all our taxes, when they are prohibited from worshiping in the same way.

The obviously christian sentiments that inspire religious feelings, are sanctioned by our government, but not allowed of any other religions? This is an odd premise for a country that claims all men are created equally. It seems a contradictory premise for a country that says we honor the right to worship with freedom; but all of us must pay for christian religious monuments on government property? "The government will only sponsor christian monuments. So all you non-christians, cough up the tax dollars to maintain these monuments, because this is a christian nation."

I was born a christian, baptized and sent to religious schooling as a child. I love the family that gave me this upbringing. However, I feel very stongly that all religions should be equally represented by our government. All should be allowed to place their religious sentiments in public places if we allow christians to do so. I agree with removing religious language that may isolate and elevate one religion over others; from all our government sponsored oaths, pledges etc. We are still free to insert any word for God we choose in pledging allegance.

I have a big active military family. I learned a lot from the military members of my family. At one point a military family member said, "I am fighting for the right of that American to protest against the military if he or she wishes to do so. I will protect their right. " This comment at a family BBQ inspired a long conversation about religion as well. I was even more respectful of the dedication to American values and the commitment to freedom after hearing my military family's rationale. My brother in law, who at the time was commanding the Pacific Fleet of aircraft carriers, said, "I'll die for Stern's right to be on the airwaves." I was shocked when he said this. I couldn't believe he made the comment! He didn't particularly care for the guy at all. But he cared deeply about freedom of speech. He felt the same way about religion. He and other military family all agreed they would literally die to defend freedoms in America; even they didn't agree with the opinion. It made a huge impression on me.

Minga Guerrero DC

abowoman@...

Fw: A Walk for the President

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A good walk for all of us. Very interesting.

good, with a wonderful surprise at the end.

http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=FKhVnAgt0EY

[Guest guest]

Well expressed, Minga .... good insight. SunnySunny Kierstyn, RN DC Fibromyalgia Care Center of Oregon 2677 Willakenzie Road, 7CEugene, Oregon, 97401541- 654-0850; Fx; 541- 654-0834www.drsunnykierstyn.com CC: oregondcs From: AboWoman@...Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 13:21:46 -0400Subject: Re: FW: OT..A Walk for the President

Calling ourselves a 'christian nation' is an incomplete description of our great nation. We are more than just christians. We have seperation of church and state for obvious reasons. The fact that there are beautiful, yet antiquated monuments, with christian comments; should not be interpreted as a whole definition of the entire nation's sentiment. Neither should it be a description of where our nation continues. The sentiments are beautiful and inspirational - to christians and maybe to a few others also. However, the time has come for us to embrace the true sentiments of our nation- E-plurabus unum. A sentiment that is inclusive, rather than divisive. Here's why I feel calling ourselves a christian nation is divisive.

Until we honor all our citizens equally, we cause feelings of separation. Perhaps those aren't intentional outcomes. Never the less, it is separatist. I don't suggest removing the longstanding monuments that declare beautiful christian theological phrases.

Perhaps it's time to allow other religions to place equally inspirational sentiments in our nation's most visible sites? Would all christians feel ok with that? If as a christian, you feel some knot of anxiety or a bit of outrage at a muslim or wiccan monument with this idea, think how non-christian Americans may feel knowing that it's fair for christians to place their theological idioms in government buildings paid for by all our taxes, when they are prohibited from worshiping in the same way.

The obviously christian sentiments that inspire religious feelings, are sanctioned by our government, but not allowed of any other religions? This is an odd premise for a country that claims all men are created equally. It seems a contradictory premise for a country that says we honor the right to worship with freedom; but all of us must pay for christian religious monuments on government property? "The government will only sponsor christian monuments. So all you non-christians, cough up the tax dollars to maintain these monuments, because this is a christian nation."

I was born a christian, baptized and sent to religious schooling as a child. I love the family that gave me this upbringing. However, I feel very stongly that all religions should be equally represented by our government. All should be allowed to place their religious sentiments in public places if we allow christians to do so. I agree with removing religious language that may isolate and elevate one religion over others; from all our government sponsored oaths, pledges etc. We are still free to insert any word for God we choose in pledging allegance.

I have a big active military family. I learned a lot from the military members of my family. At one point a military family member said, "I am fighting for the right of that American to protest against the military if he or she wishes to do so. I will protect their right. " This comment at a family BBQ inspired a long conversation about religion as well. I was even more respectful of the dedication to American values and the commitment to freedom after hearing my military family's rationale. My brother in law, who at the time was commanding the Pacific Fleet of aircraft carriers, said, "I'll die for Stern's right to be on the airwaves." I was shocked when he said this. I couldn't believe he made the comment! He didn't particularly care for the guy at all. But he cared deeply about freedom of speech. He felt the same way about religion. He and other military family all agreed they would literally die to defend freedoms in America; even they didn't agree with the opinion. It made a huge impression on me.

Minga Guerrero DC

abowoman@...

Fw: A Walk for the President

..

A good walk for all of us. Very interesting.

good, with a wonderful surprise at the end.

http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=FKhVnAgt0EY

[Guest guest]

Too long Mingy.

We live in a time of twitter feeds and facebook entrys.

My feelings about the Christian founding fathers is....

Sorry. Out of time.

Stay tuned.

--

E. Abrahamson, D.C.

Chiropractic physician

Lake Oswego Chiropractic Clinic

315 Second Street

Lake Oswego, OR 97034

Website: http://www.lakeoswegochiro.com

Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 13:21:46 -0400 (EDT)

Cc: <oregondcs >

Subject: Re: FW: OT..A Walk for the President

Calling ourselves a 'christian nation' is an incomplete description of our great nation. We are more than just christians. We have seperation of church and state for obvious reasons. The fact that there are beautiful, yet antiquated monuments, with christian comments; should not be interpreted as a whole definition of the entire nation's sentiment. Neither should it be a description of where our nation continues. The sentiments are beautiful and inspirational - to christians and maybe to a few others also. However, the time has come for us to embrace the true sentiments of our nation- E-plurabus unum. A sentiment that is inclusive, rather than divisive. Here's why I feel calling ourselves a christian nation is divisive.

Until we honor all our citizens equally, we cause feelings of separation. Perhaps those aren't intentional outcomes. Never the less, it is separatist. I don't suggest removing the longstanding monuments that declare beautiful christian theological phrases.

Perhaps it's time to allow other religions to place equally inspirational sentiments in our nation's most visible sites? Would all christians feel ok with that? If as a christian, you feel some knot of anxiety or a bit of outrage at a muslim or wiccan monument with this idea, think how non-christian Americans may feel knowing that it's fair for christians to place their theological idioms in government buildings paid for by all our taxes, when they are prohibited from worshiping in the same way.

The obviously christian sentiments that inspire religious feelings, are sanctioned by our government, but not allowed of any other religions? This is an odd premise for a country that claims all men are created equally. It seems a contradictory premise for a country that says we honor the right to worship with freedom; but all of us must pay for christian religious monuments on government property? " The government will only sponsor christian monuments. So all you non-christians, cough up the tax dollars to maintain these monuments, because this is a christian nation. "

I was born a christian, baptized and sent to religious schooling as a child. I love the family that gave me this upbringing. However, I feel very stongly that all religions should be equally represented by our government. All should be allowed to place their religious sentiments in public places if we allow christians to do so. I agree with removing religious language that may isolate and elevate one religion over others; from all our government sponsored oaths, pledges etc. We are still free to insert any word for God we choose in pledging allegance.

I have a big active military family. I learned a lot from the military members of my family. At one point a military family member said, " I am fighting for the right of that American to protest against the military if he or she wishes to do so. I will protect their right. " This comment at a family BBQ inspired a long conversation about religion as well. I was even more respectful of the dedication to American values and the commitment to freedom after hearing my military family's rationale. My brother in law, who at the time was commanding the Pacific Fleet of aircraft carriers, said, " I'll die for Stern's right to be on the airwaves. " I was shocked when he said this. I couldn't believe he made the comment! He didn't particularly care for the guy at all. But he cared deeply about freedom of speech. He felt the same way about religion. He and other military family all agreed they would literally die to defend freedoms in America; even they didn't agree with the opinion. It made a huge impression on me.

Minga Guerrero DC

abowoman@...

Fw: A Walk for the President

..

A good walk for all of us. Very interesting.

good, with a wonderful surprise at the end.

http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=FKhVnAgt0EY