Re: Re: U.S. Plans Drive to Limit Salt in Foods

[Guest guest]

I don’t believe “fibromyalgia”

exists. While my BP was raging and

my bones were disintegrating, I was diagnosed with “polymyalgia.” What a scam! Those are ignorant terms for “I don’t know, am

too stupid to recognize what the patient tells me it is, and too lazy to research

it.” I’ve read of too

many people being cured of fibromyalgia and chronic fatigue with antibiotics.

Val

From:

hyperaldosteronism [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On

Behalf Of jwwright

Yes,

but I'm unable to separate the ALL the causes of a general term, fibromyalgia,

which may be caused by several medications, lack of BG control, gut problems,

kidney problems, arthritic pain, and generalized joint pain.

I've

never had Lyme but I know people who did. Oddly they're not dead before me.

Regards

[Guest guest]

Francis, other ticks have found to be carrying Lyme. In the south, the Lonestar tick is the

one to watch.

Val

From: hyperaldosteronism [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ]

On Behalf Of Francis Bill SUSPECTED PA

It is only the deer tick that spreads lyme.

There is more then one type but they are very small

and most would not know they had one on them. The bigger ticks that most see

can spread ehrlichiosis, Rocky Mountain spotted

fever, Relapsing fever, Colorado tick fever and tularemia.

For what ever reason the number of ticks in getting

out of control.

[Guest guest]

Your doctor could not have possibly known from merely looking at

the tick. If you had a bullseye

rash that spread, you have/had Lyme.

Only 50% of cases have that tell-tell rash. Lyme is found in every state In the U.S.

and every country.

I got my tick in Arkansas as have several of my husband’s

family.

Val

From: hyperaldosteronism

[mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of jwwright

I carried the one tick to the Dr and

he said it wasn;t a Lyme tick, and he examined the

location of the bite. It leaves a circle or something. I can assure you we have

a S/L of ticks - they're just not Lyme type.

And cattle raisers (who surround me

with thousands (300k?) of cattle), regularly dip their herds.

And the S/L of other insects

accompanied by regular use of insecticides - everywhere in Texas, maybe helps

to keep the yankee ticks away.

Regards

[Guest guest]

Some would say the same about Lyme. Low K can cause lots of the Sx of both. How as K related to your problems if at all?Sorry I forgot the details.CE Grim MDI don’t believe “fibromyalgia” exists. While my BP was raging and my bones were disintegrating, I was diagnosed with “polymyalgia.” What a scam! Those are ignorant terms for “I don’t know, am too stupid to recognize what the patient tells me it is, and too lazy to research it.” I’ve read of too many people being cured of fibromyalgia and chronic fatigue with antibiotics.Val From: hyperaldosteronism [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of jwwright Yes, but I'm unable to separate the ALL the causes of a general term, fibromyalgia, which may be caused by several medications, lack of BG control, gut problems, kidney problems, arthritic pain, and generalized joint pain. I've never had Lyme but I know people who did. Oddly they're not dead before me. Regards

[Guest guest]

Have I given you all my joke about the prostitute who had Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever?Could change it to Lyme as well. If so I won't repeat it.CE Grim MDYour doctor could not have possibly known from merely looking at the tick. If you had a bullseye rash that spread, you have/had Lyme. Only 50% of cases have that tell-tell rash. Lyme is found in every state In the U.S. and every country. I got my tick in Arkansas as have several of my husband’s family. Val From: hyperaldosteronism [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of jwwright I carried the one tick to the Dr and he said it wasn;t a Lyme tick, and he examined the location of the bite. It leaves a circle or something. I can assure you we have a S/L of ticks - they're just not Lyme type. And cattle raisers (who surround me with thousands (300k?) of cattle), regularly dip their herds. And the S/L of other insects accompanied by regular use of insecticides - everywhere in Texas, maybe helps to keep the yankee ticks away. Regards

[Guest guest]

At least Lyme can be measured,

even if adequate measurement takes heroic efforts. Is there any test for “fibromyalgia”?

I don’t have low K now but

it has been borderline low two times I’ve been to the ER. Both times I was on HCTZ. I am on spiro/Inspra so K is not a

problem. I saw my doc on 4/9 and

forgot to ask about low K and Lyme.

I know low magnesium is an issue.

He told me to take 2,000 – 3,000 mg/d. I can’t take that much but do take

about 1,800 mg.

The rest of the “polymyalgia”

scam for me was that my HMO didn’t want to pay for parathyroid surgery. Since that was my insurance, I had no

choice until I could escape. Thank

God, I was able to escape.

Val

From: hyperaldosteronism

[mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Clarence Grim

Some would say the same about Lyme.

Low

K can cause lots of the Sx of both.

How

as K related to your problems if at all?

On

Apr 26, 2010, at 11:23 AM, Valarie wrote:

I don’t believe

“fibromyalgia” exists. While

my BP was raging and my bones were disintegrating, I was diagnosed with

“polymyalgia.” What a scam! Those are ignorant terms for “I don’t

know, am too stupid to recognize what the patient tells me it is, and too lazy

to research it.” I’ve

read of too many people being cured of fibromyalgia and chronic fatigue with

antibiotics.

Val

[Guest guest]

Okay, let’s hear about the

prostitute who had Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever.

Val

From: hyperaldosteronism

[mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Clarence Grim

Have I given you all my joke about the prostitute who had

Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever?

Could

change it to Lyme as well.

[Guest guest]

CDC says about 20,000 cases/year in U.S. but says it is

under-reported by 10 – 12 times.

Worse areas are the NE and upper Midwest, but it’s all over. I’ve seen maps that show you right

in the middle of the epidemic.

Val

From: hyperaldosteronism

[mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Clarence Grim

Lots of ticks here. Not much Lyme that I have seen.

Many have had the test but all neg. It appears but lots of reported

cases. My guess is that it is markedly undereported. No one had done a random survey

up here that I know of.

[Guest guest]

I never see ticks unless hunting where cattle roam.

Why is Lyme not prevalent in Houston, eg, if it's trans'd by rats and mice?

There hasta be some reason they are prevalent in spots.

Maybe the fire ants eat them.

Regards

Re: Re: U.S. Plans Drive to Limit Salt in Foods

Guess you can troll for them by walking in the grass and then picking the off. and if you do it enough you will get rid of them.

CE Grim MD

On Apr 26, 2010, at 9:30 AM, Francis Bill SUSPECTED PA wrote:

It is becoming common to just work in your yard and get at least one tick on you. A walk in tall grass will net 4 or 5 ticks. > > > > >> > > IgeneX in CA. There are others but I don't know about them.> > >> > >> > >> > > Val> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > From: hyperaldosteronism [mailto:hyperaldosteronism > > > ] On Behalf Of Clarence Grim> > >> > >> > > I dont know where you send it to be tested up here. The state wont > > > do it.> > >> > >> > >> > > CE Grim MD> > >> > >>

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[Guest guest]

Mine declined when I ducked the toprol.

RE: Re: U.S. Plans Drive to Limit Salt in Foods

I don’t believe “fibromyalgia” exists. While my BP was raging and my bones were disintegrating, I was diagnosed with “polymyalgia.” What a scam! Those are ignorant terms for “I don’t know, am too stupid to recognize what the patient tells me it is, and too lazy to research it.” I’ve read of too many people being cured of fibromyalgia and chronic fatigue with antibiotics.

Val

From: hyperaldosteronism [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of jwwright

Yes, but I'm unable to separate the ALL the causes of a general term, fibromyalgia, which may be caused by several medications, lack of BG control, gut problems, kidney problems, arthritic pain, and generalized joint pain.

I've never had Lyme but I know people who did. Oddly they're not dead before me.

Regards

[Guest guest]

That still begs the question why not prevalent here? Instead NYC area, eg?

I didn't have a rash.

Maybe some people are immune?

RE: Re: U.S. Plans Drive to Limit Salt in Foods

Your doctor could not have possibly known from merely looking at the tick. If you had a bullseye rash that spread, you have/had Lyme. Only 50% of cases have that tell-tell rash. Lyme is found in every state In the U.S. and every country.

I got my tick in Arkansas as have several of my husband’s family.

Val

From: hyperaldosteronism [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of jwwright

I carried the one tick to the Dr and he said it wasn;t a Lyme tick, and he examined the location of the bite. It leaves a circle or something. I can assure you we have a S/L of ticks - they're just not Lyme type.

And cattle raisers (who surround me with thousands (300k?) of cattle), regularly dip their herds.

And the S/L of other insects accompanied by regular use of insecticides - everywhere in Texas, maybe helps to keep the yankee ticks away.

Regards

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[Guest guest]

But parathryoid surgery is not for polymyalgia I dont think.CE Grim MDAt least Lyme can be measured, even if adequate measurement takes heroic efforts. Is there any test for “fibromyalgia”? I don’t have low K now but it has been borderline low two times I’ve been to the ER. Both times I was on HCTZ. I am on spiro/Inspra so K is not a problem. I saw my doc on 4/9 and forgot to ask about low K and Lyme. I know low magnesium is an issue. He told me to take 2,000 – 3,000 mg/d. I can’t take that much but do take about 1,800 mg. The rest of the “polymyalgia” scam for me was that my HMO didn’t want to pay for parathyroid surgery. Since that was my insurance, I had no choice until I could escape. Thank God, I was able to escape. Val From: hyperaldosteronism [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Clarence GrimSome would say the same about Lyme. Low K can cause lots of the Sx of both. How as K related to your problems if at all? I don’t believe “fibromyalgia” exists. While my BP was raging and my bones were disintegrating, I was diagnosed with “polymyalgia.” What a scam! Those are ignorant terms for “I don’t know, am too stupid to recognize what the patient tells me it is, and too lazy to research it.” I’ve read of too many people being cured of fibromyalgia and chronic fatigue with antibiotics.Val

[Guest guest]

She took a ticking but kept on licking.Okay, let’s hear about the prostitute who had Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever. Val From: hyperaldosteronism [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Clarence GrimHave I given you all my joke about the prostitute who had Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever?Could change it to Lyme as well.

[Guest guest]

Well, we have deer, and many cattle, just not many ticks here. I have not seen a tick in this county. I have seen them at my son's farther north on dogs.

I never saw a tick on deer we hunted in Lavaca county - warmer- farther South.

The last I saw was in a house we bought next to the sliding door. They had dogs.

We chlorodaned the place.

We are near Nat'l forests where deer hunker down in season. One county North abounds in deer. Last I heard, TX has 3 million deer. In Llano county deer casually walk into yards and eat shrubbery and people put out feeders.

With that many deer and every family averaging at least 1 dog and 1 cat, how can they be so non-prevalent?

We see deer road kill regularly.

In a place I can stand still and catch fire ants, I never see a tick. I do shower each time I come in from mowing/tree trimming. Clothes worn outside do not make it to the bedroom. But it's not the tocks, it's the other thousand biting, flying, stinging, food defiling critters. Black flies, yellow flies, noseeums, thirteen kinds of wasps including browns that will chase/attack you.

But no ticks.

Maybe the mosquito spray?

Regards

Re: Re: U.S. Plans Drive to Limit Salt in Foods

Write that up and you might win the poulitzer prize.

CE Grim MD

On Apr 24, 2010, at 4:25 PM, Francis Bill SUSPECTED PA wrote:

It this statement is true Guineafowl consume mass quantities of ticks. Just 2 birds can clear 2 acres in a single year. Do you think it would be a good law if our Gov would make it so there be there had to be 1 guineafowl per acre. Where it was shown deer ticks live >

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[Guest guest]

I can assure you that fibromyalgia exists. There is much research showing an up-regulation of substance P, alterations to autonomic nerve function, changes in brain PET scans and differences in the amount of force that evokes pain at pressure points. The symptoms overlap other disorders and since fibromyalgia is a diagnosis of exclusion, there are diagnostic mistakes. That doesn't mean it doesn't exist. From: Valarie

To: hyperaldosteronism Sent: Mon, April 26, 2010 12:23:42 PMSubject: RE: Re: U.S. Plans Drive to Limit Salt in Foods

I don’t believe “fibromyalgiaâ€

exists. While my BP was raging and

my bones were disintegrating, I was diagnosed with “polymyalgia.†What a scam! Those are ignorant terms for “I don’t know, am

too stupid to recognize what the patient tells me it is, and too lazy to research

it.†I’ve read of too

many people being cured of fibromyalgia and chronic fatigue with antibiotics. Val From:

hyperaldosteronism@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:hyperaldost eronism@yahoogro ups.com] On

Behalf Of jwwright

Yes,

but I'm unable to separate the ALL the causes of a general term, fibromyalgia,

which may be caused by several medications, lack of BG control, gut problems,

kidney problems, arthritic pain, and generalized joint pain.

I've

never had Lyme but I know people who did. Oddly they're not dead before me.

Regards

[Guest guest]

Convenience foods that are low in salt are more expensive and less variety. Good quality low salt foods are readily available and abundant. Just shop at the edges of the grocery store where all the produce, nuts, fish and fresh meats are sold. The middle shelves are stocked with toxic waste. Check out the DASH diet book. To: hyperaldosteronism Sent: Mon, April 26, 2010 8:28:22 PMSubject: Re: U.S. Plans Drive to Limit Salt in Foods

It makes it hard to change salt intake when most foods have as much in them as they do. Most stores have limited low salt foods. what they do have costs more to buy and many have limited money to buy food. Most food that the poor can afford to by is loaded with salt.

Even some of the better meats are hard to find that doesn't have added salt.

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> > There has been little if no public education, and most doctors don't

> > seem to understand sodium either.

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> > Val

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> > From: hyperaldosteronism@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:hyperaldosteronism@ yahoogroups. com

> > ] On Behalf Of Clarence Grim

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> > We have been disclosing at least on packages for 15 years and salt

> > intake has not gone down.

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> >

> > Disclosure without educating the public is not worth while I don't

> > think. And there are few choices if you eat out which lots of folks

> > do at McDs etc.

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[Guest guest]

I don’t mean there is no such thing.  I offer that it is a symptom of something

else.  Have you heard the new stuff out

on XMRV?

I have a friend who is desperately ill with fibromyalgia.  She’s originally from Connecticut, home of

Lyme.  Her son and DIL have both had it.  I’ve been trying to get her to go see my doc

but she’s so sick, I doubt she’ll ever make it.

Val

From: hyperaldosteronism

[mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Zhen Chu

I can assure you that fibromyalgia exists. There is

much research showing an up-regulation of substance P, alterations to autonomic

nerve function, changes in brain PET scans and differences in the amount of

force that evokes pain at pressure points. The symptoms overlap other

disorders and since fibromyalgia is a diagnosis of exclusion, there are

diagnostic mistakes. That doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

[Guest guest]

Polymyalgia was the HMO’s way of saving money. That was the contention even with the

sestimibi scan that showed the adenoma.

It all went away when the adenoma was removed. Funny how things like that happen.

VM

From: hyperaldosteronism

[mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Clarence Grim

But parathryoid surgery is not for

polymyalgia I dont think.

CE

Grim MD

On

Apr 26, 2010, at 2:13 PM, Valarie wrote:

The rest of the “polymyalgia”

scam for me was that my HMO didn’t want to pay for parathyroid

surgery. Since that was my

insurance, I had no choice until I could escape. Thank God, I was able to escape.

[Guest guest]

Sick!

VM

From:

hyperaldosteronism [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On

Behalf Of Clarence Grim

She took a ticking but kept on licking.

On

Apr 26, 2010, at 2:14 PM, Valarie wrote:

Okay,

let’s hear about the prostitute who had Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever.

[Guest guest]

A definitive indication is the rash, but that doesn’t

happen all of the time. There are

places in the east where 90% of ticks are infected.

Val

From: hyperaldosteronism

[mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of Clarence Grim

Will see what the charge is.

Need

to know what the prob of infection if tick has L with Rx vs

non-Rx, what Rx to use and the risks/benefits of Rx. People up here seem

to have ticks every few weeks but most people do not have L.

CE

Grim MD

[Guest guest]

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1281460/From: Valarie To: hyperaldosteronism Sent: Mon, April 26, 2010 10:33:39 PMSubject: RE: Re: U.S. Plans

Drive to Limit Salt in Foods

Polymyalgia was the HMO’s way of saving money. That was the contention even with the

sestimibi scan that showed the adenoma.

It all went away when the adenoma was removed. Funny how things like that happen. VM

From: hyperaldosteronism@ yahoogroups. com

[mailto:hyperaldost eronism@yahoogro ups.com] On Behalf Of Clarence Grim

But parathryoid surgery is not for

polymyalgia I dont think.

CE

Grim MD

On

Apr 26, 2010, at 2:13 PM, Valarie wrote:

The rest of the “polymyalgiaâ€

scam for me was that my HMO didn’t want to pay for parathyroid

surgery. Since that was my

insurance, I had no choice until I could escape. Thank God, I was able to escape.

[Guest guest]

Yes, I have read about XMRV on aboutcfsme and at the Whittemore peterson Institute website when they first made the anouncement. XMRV may be a cause or it may simply be associated with Fibromyalgia. Just because you see umbrellas doesn't mean they umbrellas cause rain. Let's hope they are right. To:

hyperaldosteronism Sent: Mon, April 26, 2010 10:19:14 PMSubject: RE: Re: U.S. Plans Drive to Limit Salt in Foods

I don’t mean there is no such thing. I offer that it is a symptom of something

else. Have you heard the new stuff out

on XMRV? I have a friend who is desperately ill with fibromyalgia. She’s originally from Connecticut, home of

Lyme. Her son and DIL have both had it. I’ve been trying to get her to go see my doc

but she’s so sick, I doubt she’ll ever make it. Val From: hyperaldosteronism@ yahoogroups. com

[mailto:hyperaldost eronism@yahoogro ups.com] On Behalf Of Zhen Chu

I can assure you that fibromyalgia exists. There is

much research showing an up-regulation of substance P, alterations to autonomic

nerve function, changes in brain PET scans and differences in the amount of

force that evokes pain at pressure points. The symptoms overlap other

disorders and since fibromyalgia is a diagnosis of exclusion, there are

diagnostic mistakes. That doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

[Guest guest]

I forgot you had an adenoma removed?? VM?http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1281460/To: hyperaldosteronism Sent: Mon, April 26, 2010 10:33:39 PMSubject: RE: Re: U.S. Plans Drive to Limit Salt in Foods Polymyalgia was the HMO’s way of saving money. That was the contention even with the sestimibi scan that showed the adenoma. It all went away when the adenoma was removed. Funny how things like that happen. VM From: hyperaldosteronism@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:hyperaldost eronism@yahoogro ups.com] On Behalf Of Clarence GrimBut parathryoid surgery is not for polymyalgia I dont think. CE Grim MDThe rest of the “polymyalgia” scam for me was that my HMO didn’t want to pay for parathyroid surgery. Since that was my insurance, I had no choice until I could escape. Thank God, I was able to escape.

[Guest guest]

Rice and beans and pasta are very slow sodium. and cheap.CE Grim MDOn Apr 26, 2010, at 7:28 PM, Francis Bill SUSPECTED PA wrote:It makes it hard to change salt intake when most foods have as much in them as they do. Most stores have limited low salt foods. what they do have costs more to buy and many have limited money to buy food. Most food that the poor can afford to by is loaded with salt.Even some of the better meats are hard to find that doesn't have added salt. > > >> > There has been little if no public education, and most doctors don't > > seem to understand sodium either.> >> >> >> > Val> >> >> >> >> >> > From: hyperaldosteronism [mailto:hyperaldosteronism > > ] On Behalf Of Clarence Grim> >> >> > We have been disclosing at least on packages for 15 years and salt > > intake has not gone down.> >> >> >> > Disclosure without educating the public is not worth while I don't > > think. And there are few choices if you eat out which lots of folks > > do at McDs etc.> >> >> >> >> >>

[Guest guest]

I did encounter an infestation of red bugs in 1963 - really bad. The guy I was fishing with had to go to the hospital.

Is it possible that's where I got the "fibromyalgia"?

In 1964, July 4th is when I couldn't stand up because my knees hurt bad.

If it is, it apparently is not knocked out with penicillin given me many times for strep throat infections and dental problems.

Regards

Re: U.S. Plans Drive to Limit Salt in Foods

Because everthing in Texas is big maybe they don't let the little ticks in.The dog tick is what most people see. > > > It this statement is true Guineafowl consume mass quantities of ticks. Just 2 birds can clear 2 acres in a single year. Do you think it would be a good law if our Gov would make it so there be there had to be 1 guineafowl per acre. Where it was shown deer ticks live >