Re: Brain fog and symptoms

July 17, 2010

Brain fog by it's self may not be a Sx. It does seem to be part of the one

having PA. It may be PA makes you have more of the side effects of the meds

given for high blood pressure.

Since there is still ongoing research on what high levels of ALDO/salt do to

other body systems it would be hard to say what SX might be part of PA. Since

they don't test PRA ratio for being depressed there is a link to PA and

depression.

Hopefuly as information gets put into a data base we will have a better

understanding of what is part of PA and what is not

>

> Can I add my two cents on this? I was diagnosed with Conn's (left adrenal

tumor) almost 3 years ago. I am well controlled on 100 mg daily of spiro. I

chose not to have AVS or surgery.

>

> What led to my diagnosis was that I had HBP for 6 years. It was never hugely

high, but it didn't go down to normal range even when I was on beta blockers,

ACE inhibitors or calcium channel blockers (tried all three). I also had low

potassium on bloodwork, but my idiot doctor never put those red flags together.

>

> Anyway ... before diagnosis, I didn't really have any symptoms per se that I

could point to, beyond peeing a lot, especially at night. I did feel somewhat

lethargic while I was on the different meds. I remember the beta blockers as

making me feel draggy, like I had a low grade flu all the time. But within a

short while after stopping them (to go on spiro), I felt better.

>

> I was also depressed and anxious before I was diagnosed (I have a history of

it, dating from childhood), but then, I had a lot of things to be depressed and

anxious about. Just knowing you have something wrong with you that nobody can

pinpoint is depressing and anxiety-making enough! When I'm depressed or anxious,

I sleep poorly. Getting up to pee five times a night makes you sleep poorly too.

Throw in life's stresses, being a perimenopausal female, and being on meds that

have depression as a side effect listed right there on the patient leaflet and

you have a recipe for " brain fog " . But I think that what brain fog is, rather

than its own " symptom " is more like a domino effect of HBP-med side effects,

depression, anxiety, and fatigue brought on by depression and anxiety.

>

> So I'm not sure how helpful it is to say that " most people " in this group have

brain fog as a symptom of Conn's, and to define " brain fog " as its own separate

symptom. HBP, yes. Low K, yes. Peeing a ton, yes. Symptoms related to severely

low K, yes. But for me, brain fog, no.

>

> As I said, just my two cents. And I feel fine, mentally, now that I'm only on

one medication (spiro) and watching salt intake.

>

> Thanks, Em

>

July 17, 2010

I tend to agree with you. If you google " brain fog " hundreds of articles and

definitions pop up, seems it's not that uncommon. I have a feeling several of

the subjective complains that pop up on the board aren't actually due to PA.

Personally I have several symptoms but I also have other medical problems and am

on several medications. I think my issues are probably due to a combination of

conditions and medications.

>

> Subject: Brain fog and symptoms

> To: hyperaldosteronism

> Date: Saturday, July 17, 2010, 5:23 PM

> Can I add my two cents on this?

> I was diagnosed with Conn's (left adrenal tumor) almost 3

> years ago. I am well controlled on 100 mg daily of spiro. I

> chose not to have AVS or surgery.

>

> What led to my diagnosis was that I had HBP for 6 years. It

> was never hugely high, but it didn't go down to normal range

> even when I was on beta blockers, ACE inhibitors or calcium

> channel blockers (tried all three). I also had low potassium

> on bloodwork, but my idiot doctor never put those red flags

> together.

>

> Anyway ... before diagnosis, I didn't really have any

> symptoms per se that I could point to, beyond peeing a lot,

> especially at night. I did feel somewhat lethargic while I

> was on the different meds. I remember the beta blockers as

> making me feel draggy, like I had a low grade flu all the

> time. But within a short while after stopping them (to go on

> spiro), I felt better.

>

> I was also depressed and anxious before I was diagnosed (I

> have a history of it, dating from childhood), but then, I

> had a lot of things to be depressed and anxious about. Just

> knowing you have something wrong with you that nobody can

> pinpoint is depressing and anxiety-making enough! When I'm

> depressed or anxious, I sleep poorly. Getting up to pee five

> times a night makes you sleep poorly too. Throw in

> life's stresses, being a perimenopausal female, and being on

> meds that have depression as a side effect listed right

> there on the patient leaflet and you have a recipe for

> " brain fog " . But I think that what brain fog is, rather than

> its own " symptom " is more like a domino effect of HBP-med

> side effects, depression, anxiety, and fatigue brought on by

> depression and anxiety.

>

> So I'm not sure how helpful it is to say that " most people "

> in this group have brain fog as a symptom of Conn's, and to

> define " brain fog " as its own separate symptom. HBP, yes.

> Low K, yes. Peeing a ton, yes. Symptoms related to severely

> low K, yes. But for me, brain fog, no.

>

> As I said, just my two cents. And I feel fine, mentally,

> now that I'm only on one medication (spiro) and watching

> salt intake.

>

> Thanks, Em

>

> ------------------------------------

>

July 17, 2010

Many medical problems have same SX. If not that almost any one could DX

themselves.

>

> >

> > Subject: Brain fog and symptoms

> > To: hyperaldosteronism

> > Date: Saturday, July 17, 2010, 5:23 PM

> > Can I add my two cents on this?

> > I was diagnosed with Conn's (left adrenal tumor) almost 3

> > years ago. I am well controlled on 100 mg daily of spiro. I

> > chose not to have AVS or surgery.

> >

> > What led to my diagnosis was that I had HBP for 6 years. It

> > was never hugely high, but it didn't go down to normal range

> > even when I was on beta blockers, ACE inhibitors or calcium

> > channel blockers (tried all three). I also had low potassium

> > on bloodwork, but my idiot doctor never put those red flags

> > together.

> >

> > Anyway ... before diagnosis, I didn't really have any

> > symptoms per se that I could point to, beyond peeing a lot,

> > especially at night. I did feel somewhat lethargic while I

> > was on the different meds. I remember the beta blockers as

> > making me feel draggy, like I had a low grade flu all the

> > time. But within a short while after stopping them (to go on

> > spiro), I felt better.

> >

> > I was also depressed and anxious before I was diagnosed (I

> > have a history of it, dating from childhood), but then, I

> > had a lot of things to be depressed and anxious about. Just

> > knowing you have something wrong with you that nobody can

> > pinpoint is depressing and anxiety-making enough! When I'm

> > depressed or anxious, I sleep poorly. Getting up to pee five

> > times a night makes you sleep poorly too. Throw in

> > life's stresses, being a perimenopausal female, and being on

> > meds that have depression as a side effect listed right

> > there on the patient leaflet and you have a recipe for

> > " brain fog " . But I think that what brain fog is, rather than

> > its own " symptom " is more like a domino effect of HBP-med

> > side effects, depression, anxiety, and fatigue brought on by

> > depression and anxiety.

> >

> > So I'm not sure how helpful it is to say that " most people "

> > in this group have brain fog as a symptom of Conn's, and to

> > define " brain fog " as its own separate symptom. HBP, yes.

> > Low K, yes. Peeing a ton, yes. Symptoms related to severely

> > low K, yes. But for me, brain fog, no.

> >

> > As I said, just my two cents. And I feel fine, mentally,

> > now that I'm only on one medication (spiro) and watching

> > salt intake.

> >

> > Thanks, Em

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

July 17, 2010

How do you feel better on the spiro. Not peeing at night gone. Thanks for sharing and glad to hear you are doing so well. Did you give all the missers my article to get them up to speed with all the other cases they have?CE Grim MDCan I add my two cents on this? I was diagnosed with Conn's (left adrenal tumor) almost 3 years ago. I am well controlled on 100 mg daily of spiro. I chose not to have AVS or surgery.What led to my diagnosis was that I had HBP for 6 years. It was never hugely high, but it didn't go down to normal range even when I was on beta blockers, ACE inhibitors or calcium channel blockers (tried all three). I also had low potassium on bloodwork, but my idiot doctor never put those red flags together.Anyway ... before diagnosis, I didn't really have any symptoms per se that I could point to, beyond peeing a lot, especially at night. I did feel somewhat lethargic while I was on the different meds. I remember the beta blockers as making me feel draggy, like I had a low grade flu all the time. But within a short while after stopping them (to go on spiro), I felt better. I was also depressed and anxious before I was diagnosed (I have a history of it, dating from childhood), but then, I had a lot of things to be depressed and anxious about. Just knowing you have something wrong with you that nobody can pinpoint is depressing and anxiety-making enough! When I'm depressed or anxious, I sleep poorly. Getting up to pee five times a night makes you sleep poorly too. Throw in life's stresses, being a perimenopausal female, and being on meds that have depression as a side effect listed right there on the patient leaflet and you have a recipe for "brain fog". But I think that what brain fog is, rather than its own "symptom" is more like a domino effect of HBP-med side effects, depression, anxiety, and fatigue brought on by depression and anxiety. So I'm not sure how helpful it is to say that "most people" in this group have brain fog as a symptom of Conn's, and to define "brain fog" as its own separate symptom. HBP, yes. Low K, yes. Peeing a ton, yes. Symptoms related to severely low K, yes. But for me, brain fog, no. As I said, just my two cents. And I feel fine, mentally, now that I'm only on one medication (spiro) and watching salt intake. Thanks, Em

July 17, 2010

Here's how I am feeling on spiro 100 mg daily.

I am not getting up as many times at night to pee. And when I do get up, I'm not

peeing huge volume. That's the major change.

My BP now runs 120-125/77-82. It used to be 140s-150s/90s.

I have my K checked every 4-6 months (I see an endo every 4-6 months and he

orders bloodwork. My K is now normal, 4.3 -4.6 (lab normals 3.5-5.0).

I am off all BP meds. The only med I take is spiro.

My only complaint is that I dont function well in extremely hot weather, feel

parched and my face flushes. But I can work around that, living in the SF Bay

Area.

I gave my endo a copy of your article and he did read it.

I recently had major surgery under anesthesia. I made sure that my surgeon spoke

with my endo first, and that I spoke to the anesthesiologist. The

anesthesiologist actually knew what Conn's was, despite (or maybe because of)

the fact that she was young, maybe in her 30s. I came thru surgery fine. I was

off spiro for two days, but my BP in the hospital was still 120s/70s. They did a

blood test for K too, and that was normal.

>

> > Can I add my two cents on this? I was diagnosed with Conn's (left

> > adrenal tumor) almost 3 years ago. I am well controlled on 100 mg

> > daily of spiro. I chose not to have AVS or surgery.

> >

> > What led to my diagnosis was that I had HBP for 6 years. It was

> > never hugely high, but it didn't go down to normal range even when I

> > was on beta blockers, ACE inhibitors or calcium channel blockers

> > (tried all three). I also had low potassium on bloodwork, but my

> > idiot doctor never put those red flags together.

> >

> > Anyway ... before diagnosis, I didn't really have any symptoms per

> > se that I could point to, beyond peeing a lot, especially at night.

> > I did feel somewhat lethargic while I was on the different meds. I

> > remember the beta blockers as making me feel draggy, like I had a

> > low grade flu all the time. But within a short while after stopping

> > them (to go on spiro), I felt better.

> >

> > I was also depressed and anxious before I was diagnosed (I have a

> > history of it, dating from childhood), but then, I had a lot of

> > things to be depressed and anxious about. Just knowing you have

> > something wrong with you that nobody can pinpoint is depressing and

> > anxiety-making enough! When I'm depressed or anxious, I sleep

> > poorly. Getting up to pee five times a night makes you sleep poorly

> > too. Throw in life's stresses, being a perimenopausal female, and

> > being on meds that have depression as a side effect listed right

> > there on the patient leaflet and you have a recipe for " brain fog " .

> > But I think that what brain fog is, rather than its own " symptom " is

> > more like a domino effect of HBP-med side effects, depression,

> > anxiety, and fatigue brought on by depression and anxiety.

> >

> > So I'm not sure how helpful it is to say that " most people " in this

> > group have brain fog as a symptom of Conn's, and to define " brain

> > fog " as its own separate symptom. HBP, yes. Low K, yes. Peeing a

> > ton, yes. Symptoms related to severely low K, yes. But for me, brain

> > fog, no.

> >

> > As I said, just my two cents. And I feel fine, mentally, now that

> > I'm only on one medication (spiro) and watching salt intake.

> >

> > Thanks, Em

> >

>

July 18, 2010

Good Dr look for cause of SX not so good Dr treat SX. Sometimes cause can't be

found then maybe then treat Sx. Sometimes the treatment is worse then SX.

> >

> > > From: em5704 <em5704@>

> > > Subject: Brain fog and symptoms

> > > To: hyperaldosteronism

> > > Date: Saturday, July 17, 2010, 5:23 PM

> > > Can I add my two cents on this?

> > > I was diagnosed with Conn's (left adrenal tumor) almost 3

> > > years ago. I am well controlled on 100 mg daily of spiro. I

> > > chose not to have AVS or surgery.

> > >

> > > What led to my diagnosis was that I had HBP for 6 years. It

> > > was never hugely high, but it didn't go down to normal range

> > > even when I was on beta blockers, ACE inhibitors or calcium

> > > channel blockers (tried all three). I also had low potassium

> > > on bloodwork, but my idiot doctor never put those red flags

> > > together.

> > >

> > > Anyway ... before diagnosis, I didn't really have any

> > > symptoms per se that I could point to, beyond peeing a lot,

> > > especially at night. I did feel somewhat lethargic while I

> > > was on the different meds. I remember the beta blockers as

> > > making me feel draggy, like I had a low grade flu all the

> > > time. But within a short while after stopping them (to go on

> > > spiro), I felt better.

> > >

> > > I was also depressed and anxious before I was diagnosed (I

> > > have a history of it, dating from childhood), but then, I

> > > had a lot of things to be depressed and anxious about. Just

> > > knowing you have something wrong with you that nobody can

> > > pinpoint is depressing and anxiety-making enough! When I'm

> > > depressed or anxious, I sleep poorly. Getting up to pee five

> > > times a night makes you sleep poorly too. Throw in

> > > life's stresses, being a perimenopausal female, and being on

> > > meds that have depression as a side effect listed right

> > > there on the patient leaflet and you have a recipe for

> > > " brain fog " . But I think that what brain fog is, rather than

> > > its own " symptom " is more like a domino effect of HBP-med

> > > side effects, depression, anxiety, and fatigue brought on by

> > > depression and anxiety.

> > >

> > > So I'm not sure how helpful it is to say that " most people "

> > > in this group have brain fog as a symptom of Conn's, and to

> > > define " brain fog " as its own separate symptom. HBP, yes.

> > > Low K, yes. Peeing a ton, yes. Symptoms related to severely

> > > low K, yes. But for me, brain fog, no.

> > >

> > > As I said, just my two cents. And I feel fine, mentally,

> > > now that I'm only on one medication (spiro) and watching

> > > salt intake.

> > >

> > > Thanks, Em

>

July 18, 2010

Very common for anti depressants to affect Blood pressure.

> > >

> > > I tend to agree with you. If you google " brain fog " hundreds of articles

> and definitions pop up, seems it's not that uncommon. I have a feeling

> several of the subjective complains that pop up on the board aren't actually

> due to PA. Personally I have several symptoms but I also have other medical

> problems and am on several medications. I think my issues are probably due

> to a combination of conditions and medications.

> > >

>

July 18, 2010

All you need to do is look at side effects of anti depressants.

> > > > >

> > > > > I tend to agree with you. If you google " brain fog " hundreds

> > of articles

> > > and definitions pop up, seems it's not that uncommon. I have a

> > feeling

> > > several of the subjective complains that pop up on the board

> > aren't actually

> > > due to PA. Personally I have several symptoms but I also have

> > other medical

> > > problems and am on several medications. I think my issues are

> > probably due

> > > to a combination of conditions and medications.

> > > > >

> > >

> >

>

July 19, 2010

My statement Very common for anti depressants to effect Blood pressure May not

be quite right. Maybe should say Very common side effect listed for anti

depressants is they can to effect Blood pressure.

One can always look at the drugs studies to see how common this side effect is.

Again my interst in adenomas and effect on mental health. Are they a cause and

if so also effect B/P?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I tend to agree with you. If you google " brain fog " hundreds

> > > > of articles

> > > > > and definitions pop up, seems it's not that uncommon. I have a

> > > > feeling

> > > > > several of the subjective complains that pop up on the board

> > > > aren't actually

> > > > > due to PA. Personally I have several symptoms but I also have

> > > > other medical

> > > > > problems and am on several medications. I think my issues are

> > > > probably due

> > > > > to a combination of conditions and medications.

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

July 19, 2010

The Brain fog that we have isn't the same is just forgetting to stop at the

store. It is a state of being.

> > > >

> > > > Well I have not seen any good studies on this.

> > > >

> > > > CE Grim MD

>

July 19, 2010

Since I am the one that put the brain fog information in files. Not sure if

others can edit them. Would like to see if they can. I used notepad so any one

should be able to save to there computer and edit them. May need to change the

file name before they can upload back to site.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Well I have not seen any good studies on this.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > CE Grim MD

> > >

> >

> > --

> > Carole Aine Langrall

> > " A Garden of Earthly Delights "

> >

> > www.agardenofearthlydelights.net

> > http://neglectedbeauty.blogspot.com/

> >

> > " My heart found its home long ago in the beauty, mystery, order and

> > disorder of the flowering earth. " ~Lady Bird

> >

>

July 19, 2010

Might be better to have them make there own folder if they can't update my

folder. Will try to keep a watch on it.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Well I have not seen any good studies on this.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > CE Grim MD

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > --

> > > > Carole Aine Langrall

> > > > " A Garden of Earthly Delights "

> > > >

> > > > www.agardenofearthlydelights.net

> > > > http://neglectedbeauty.blogspot.com/

> > > >

> > > > " My heart found its home long ago in the beauty, mystery, order

> > and

> > > > disorder of the flowering earth. " ~Lady Bird

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

July 19, 2010

Guess you have been treating many with brain fog. If What ever it is called goes

away after proper treatment. Seem like it is a SX.

> > > > >

> > > > > Well I have not seen any good studies on this.

> > > > >

> > > > > CE Grim MD

> >

>

July 19, 2010

Best description of brain fog I have seen. I did all the right things like

changing my diet etc, however, the only thing that solved the brain fog was

surgery. I noticed straight away the difference in my mind, and so did my

friends. I am now waiting for my physical body to catch up with my mental energy

after the surgery 3 weeks ago. There is light at the end of the tunnel.

> > > > >

> > > > > Well I have not seen any good studies on this.

> > > > >

> > > > > CE Grim MD

> >

>

> --

> Carole Aine Langrall

> " A Garden of Earthly Delights "

>

> www.agardenofearthl <http://www.agardenofearthlydelights.net> ydelights.net

> http://neglectedbea <http://neglectedbeauty.blogspot.com/> uty.blogspot.com/

>

> " My heart found its home long ago in the beauty, mystery, order and disorder

> of the flowering earth. " ~Lady Bird

>

July 19, 2010

I have worked in Dementia care for 20yrs and will agree that when I was first

diagnosed with Conns 10 years ago I thought I was getting dementia - but I am

here to let you know that surgery has cured the brain fog. To go from years of

being unable to sometimes manage the simplest of tasks to now having such a

clear head is wonderful. I feel I have reclaimed myself. I wasnt on any

medication at all for 9 years and only went on medication last year.

> > > >

> > > > Well I have not seen any good studies on this.

> > > >

> > > > CE Grim MD

>

July 21, 2010

Helen,

I was wondering, do you wish you would have gone ahead with surgery when you

were diagnosed 10 years ago knowing that your " brain fog " would have improved

so?

charlotte

> > > > >

> > > > > Well I have not seen any good studies on this.

> > > > >

> > > > > CE Grim MD

> >

>

July 22, 2010

> " The Brain fog that we have isn't the same as just forgetting to stop at the

> store. It is a state of being. "

It is more like forgetting where the store is!

I was not a candidate for surgery as both my glands are overproducing so I am on

Spiro. I was taking 7 potassium pills before spiro (I take 100 mg spiro in a.m

and one in p.m) and I am down to one k pill a day now and I feel fantastic! My

brain fog is gone and I feel better all around. My only complaint would be that

now I sweat! A lot! My legs even sweat! It's a small price to pay....I have my

life back and it feels good!