Facing mainstream stupidity, Was: virgin to oxypowder

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That is such a load of *****cks about impaction caused by kids holding

it in, sends me throught the roof, that is the classical " we do not have

a clue what is going on here so we better come up with any type of

dogmatic answer " . Yes, it may be that some kids hold it in some of the

time (we had it happen when attempted potty training, but it was a one

off) but these kids have serious, real gut problems, including

inflammation and problems with gut motility, both can IMO cause both

diarrhea and constipation.

I doubt there is a ready answer to this, the best I could come up with

when confronted with a stupid paed recently was mention a few studies

showing REAL impaction and REAL dysbiosis in asd kids, and when she did

not have answers to how this can be... actually she did say that

impaction showing in Murch study was due to kids holding it in, but I

said that our problem was actually soft and mushy stools, and suspecting

that impaction might be the case also in addition to inflammation, she

said 'no way he is impacted' and I said 'how do you actually KNOW unless

you refer us to gastro specialist etc etc'. And I asked her how she

could be so sure there is no dysbiosis and inflammation and how could

she possibly be so sure that healing the gut has no impact on behaviours

if she never witnessed any of it...

To cut the long story short she repeatedly said that both diarrhea and

constipation in some kids was just " NORMAL " (serious!), when asked what

about pain, my ds was in so much pain when younger due to gut problems,

she also said " THAT IS JUST NORMAL... JUST THE WAY IT IS IN SOME KIDS "

(!!! I felt she was aware how awful that sounded but had no other

answer... ) in the end she was greatly upset by me not accepting her

answers and asking more and more questions that she could not answer in

a logical and humanistic way .... and eventually did make referral to

gastro which was what we came to her for. ( :-) )

Sorry to ramble on so long, I guess the point I am trying to make is arm

yourself with studies and findings showing inflammation and dysbiosis,

and instead coming up with ready answers it may be better to ask them

many many questions that they have no answers to, just to show them how

stupid and unethical their dogmas are.

you can find links to several studies here:

http://www.autismcalciumchannelopathy.com/Gl_Issues.html

hth

Natasa

> > > > >

> > > > > Jay is 4 now, scd since last July I think, did have great bms

> > once

> > > > on scd but

> > > > > they are a mushy mess. He is at a healing standstill and I

need

> > to

> > > > do

> > > > > something about this. I have a very limited understanding of

the

> > > > body but can

> > > > > see his dysbiosis and leaky gut is preventing him from moving

> > > > forward. I wnat

> > > > > to make steps to heal the gut and get rid of all the nasty

stuff

> > > > that is obviously

> > > > > well and truly at home in there. I secretly wached him pas a

bm

> > the

> > > > other day

> > > > > and noticed he was straining,not majorly but straining

> > nonetheless,

> > > > so am

> > > > > wondering if in fact there is impaction there. The stuff that

> > comes

> > > > out should

> > > > > definitely not need any extra pushing if you know what I mean

> > lol.

> > > > > I have read up a lot on oxypowder, as this was one thing I

> > wanted

> > > > to try on

> > > > > him, was nervous cos of the mag. oxide but as I have

understood

> > so

> > > > far this is

> > > > > basically a vehicle for the oxygen and it is in fact its'

> > inability

> > > > to be assimilated

> > > > > by the body that is why it is used. With the above in mind ie

he

> > > > isnt

> > > > > constipated as such, and the age factor, what would you

> > recommend

> > > > as a

> > > > > starting dose, any advice basically would be really

> > appreciated. I

> > > > am going to

> > > > > try it on myself first , as soon as I can find 3 consecutive

> > days I

> > > > can be at home

> > > > > and pass watery gaseous stools in comfort LOL

> > > > > I did find on only one site mention of cramping and well

> > basically

> > > > die off

> > > > > symptoms. On this site it said that with the constipation you

> > may

> > > > well be

> > > > > suffering from leaky gut.overgrowth of bacteria/yeast/non

> > > > beneficial

> > > > > parasites.microbes if you suffer cramps/headaches/joint

> > > > pain/fatigue ( that

> > > > > sounded like our kids to me) It said that the " oxidation of

> > > > compacted fecal

> > > > > material along with poss. die off of harmful microorganisms,

> > yeast

> > > > and fungus

> > > > > from the monoatomic oxygen can be absorbed back into the blood

> > > > stream

> > > > > through tiny holes in intestinal lining " and if experiencing

> > the

> > > > above

> > > > > symptoms give oxypowder 30 days to rebalance things.

> > > > > What do you feel about this? I would like to not use it for

> > such a

> > > > long time

> > > > > really but are my fears unfounded? All the posts I read in the

> > > > archives were

> > > > > talking about oxypowder in relation to

impaction/constipation,if

> > > > jay is impacted

> > > > > it isnt serious. would you say start with 2 caps and work up

> > until

> > > > the amount of

> > > > > bms are correct? Right now he goes once every 2 days, he did

> > this

> > > > as a baby

> > > > > too. I hope I have mentioned everything I should, I have a

> > talent

> > > > to start a

> > > > > subject mid sentence presuming everyone else is in my head too

> > lol,

> > > > so

> > > > > apologize if I have missed out something crucial. Thank you so

> > much

> > > > for any

> > > > > help, Josie

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I think maybe they feel they should be curing your child and giving you

answers (you humble, they God). But if they don't know the answers they

get cross -- you are not playing fair and bringing a question they can

answer. That is they blame you for their ignorance. I'm not trying to be

horrid to them -- I think it's very human.

xx Sally

natasa778 wrote:

>

> That is such a load of *****cks about impaction caused by kids holding

> it in, sends me throught the roof, that is the classical " we do not have

> a clue what is going on here so we better come up with any type of

> dogmatic answer " . Yes, it may be that some kids hold it in some of the

> time (we had it happen when attempted potty training, but it was a one

> off) but these kids have serious, real gut problems, including

> inflammation and problems with gut motility, both can IMO cause both

> diarrhea and constipation.

>

> I doubt there is a ready answer to this, the best I could come up with

> when confronted with a stupid paed recently was mention a few studies

> showing REAL impaction and REAL dysbiosis in asd kids, and when she did

> not have answers to how this can be... actually she did say that

> impaction showing in Murch study was due to kids holding it in, but I

> said that our problem was actually soft and mushy stools, and suspecting

> that impaction might be the case also in addition to inflammation, she

> said 'no way he is impacted' and I said 'how do you actually KNOW unless

> you refer us to gastro specialist etc etc'. And I asked her how she

> could be so sure there is no dysbiosis and inflammation and how could

> she possibly be so sure that healing the gut has no impact on behaviours

> if she never witnessed any of it...

> To cut the long story short she repeatedly said that both diarrhea and

> constipation in some kids was just " NORMAL " (serious!), when asked what

> about pain, my ds was in so much pain when younger due to gut problems,

> she also said " THAT IS JUST NORMAL... JUST THE WAY IT IS IN SOME KIDS "

> (!!! I felt she was aware how awful that sounded but had no other

> answer... ) in the end she was greatly upset by me not accepting her

> answers and asking more and more questions that she could not answer in

> a logical and humanistic way .... and eventually did make referral to

> gastro which was what we came to her for. ( :-) )

>

> Sorry to ramble on so long, I guess the point I am trying to make is arm

> yourself with studies and findings showing inflammation and dysbiosis,

> and instead coming up with ready answers it may be better to ask them

> many many questions that they have no answers to, just to show them how

> stupid and unethical their dogmas are.

>

> you can find links to several studies here:

> http://www.autismca lciumchannelopat hy.com/Gl_ Issues.html

> <http://www.autismcalciumchannelopathy.com/Gl_Issues.html>

>

> hth

> Natasa

>

>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Jay is 4 now, scd since last July I think, did have great bms

> > > once

> > > > > on scd but

> > > > > > they are a mushy mess. He is at a healing standstill and I

> need

> > > to

> > > > > do

> > > > > > something about this. I have a very limited understanding of

> the

> > > > > body but can

> > > > > > see his dysbiosis and leaky gut is preventing him from moving

> > > > > forward. I wnat

> > > > > > to make steps to heal the gut and get rid of all the nasty

> stuff

> > > > > that is obviously

> > > > > > well and truly at home in there. I secretly wached him pas a

> bm

> > > the

> > > > > other day

> > > > > > and noticed he was straining,not majorly but straining

> > > nonetheless,

> > > > > so am

> > > > > > wondering if in fact there is impaction there. The stuff that

> > > comes

> > > > > out should

> > > > > > definitely not need any extra pushing if you know what I mean

> > > lol.

> > > > > > I have read up a lot on oxypowder, as this was one thing I

> > > wanted

> > > > > to try on

> > > > > > him, was nervous cos of the mag. oxide but as I have

> understood

> > > so

> > > > > far this is

> > > > > > basically a vehicle for the oxygen and it is in fact its'

> > > inability

> > > > > to be assimilated

> > > > > > by the body that is why it is used. With the above in mind ie

> he

> > > > > isnt

> > > > > > constipated as such, and the age factor, what would you

> > > recommend

> > > > > as a

> > > > > > starting dose, any advice basically would be really

> > > appreciated. I

> > > > > am going to

> > > > > > try it on myself first , as soon as I can find 3 consecutive

> > > days I

> > > > > can be at home

> > > > > > and pass watery gaseous stools in comfort LOL

> > > > > > I did find on only one site mention of cramping and well

> > > basically

> > > > > die off

> > > > > > symptoms. On this site it said that with the constipation you

> > > may

> > > > > well be

> > > > > > suffering from leaky gut.overgrowth of bacteria/yeast/ non

> > > > > beneficial

> > > > > > parasites.microbes if you suffer cramps/headaches/ joint

> > > > > pain/fatigue ( that

> > > > > > sounded like our kids to me) It said that the " oxidation of

> > > > > compacted fecal

> > > > > > material along with poss. die off of harmful microorganisms,

> > > yeast

> > > > > and fungus

> > > > > > from the monoatomic oxygen can be absorbed back into the blood

> > > > > stream

> > > > > > through tiny holes in intestinal lining " and if experiencing

> > > the

> > > > > above

> > > > > > symptoms give oxypowder 30 days to rebalance things.

> > > > > > What do you feel about this? I would like to not use it for

> > > such a

> > > > > long time

> > > > > > really but are my fears unfounded? All the posts I read in the

> > > > > archives were

> > > > > > talking about oxypowder in relation to

> impaction/constipat ion,if

> > > > > jay is impacted

> > > > > > it isnt serious. would you say start with 2 caps and work up

> > > until

> > > > > the amount of

> > > > > > bms are correct? Right now he goes once every 2 days, he did

> > > this

> > > > > as a baby

> > > > > > too. I hope I have mentioned everything I should, I have a

> > > talent

> > > > > to start a

> > > > > > subject mid sentence presuming everyone else is in my head too

> > > lol,

> > > > > so

> > > > > > apologize if I have missed out something crucial. Thank you so

> > > much

> > > > > for any

> > > > > > help, Josie

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

>

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