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> ALL I smell is hay. Does anyone have experience using this essential

> oil?

One of my best perfumes, Demeter, is a hay composition. The hay is .18

grams out of 2.26 altogether (13 total notes), ie, hay has very good

odor intensity; I'd cut way back on the amount of hay you use.

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> One of my best perfumes, Demeter, is a hay composition. The hay is .18

> grams out of 2.26 altogether (13 total notes), ie, hay has very good

> odor intensity; I'd cut way back on the amount of hay you use.

Thanks, Adam. Without giving away any proprietary information ;-), do you have

any recommendations for what blends well with hay? I've looked online and I

can't find anything.

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> do you have any recommendations for what blends well with hay?

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Black Currant Abs.

and less so Carnation Abs.

Have naturally affinities with Hay in my experience.

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> Thanks, Adam. Without giving away any proprietary information ;-),

> do you have any recommendations for what blends well with hay? I've

> looked online and I can't find anything.

Pine needle, tobacco, sandalwood, then there's benzoin, but I add that

to everything.

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°Edited to gain space for database, as we can follow the thread below the answer

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I love Hay abs, it's one of my favourite bases.

Your blend has a lot of hay in the base...and some very mixed oils in

the rest (as in they are all very different and to my mind some clash)

What kind of scent were you trying to achieve?

I'd try simplifying the belnd A LOT and then go from there! If you like

the hay, just start with it and pick first one that compliments it

beautifully, then another, then if it needs something to give it a

slightly different note...etc....

Ambrosia

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Arctander says for Hay Oil: (He says nothing for Hay Abs)

Clary Sage

Champaka

Mimosa

Cassie

Magnolia leaf oil

Flouve oil

Chamomile Oils

Helychrysum oils

Tobacco Leaf Abs

Mate extracts

Tea Leaf Abs

Phenyl Ethyl Alcohol (A mild rose odor)

Linalool (think Basil)

Bergamot Oil

Lemon Oil

Ylang-ylang

Bitter Orange Oil

Deertongue

Melilotus

Coumarin (think Tonka Bean)

Pueblo also thinks Honeybush CO2 might work too, Maybe Elemi, and why not for

Cypress, and Hinoki types?

And also for my three favorite unpublished and unavailable elements:

Larrea Tridentata, Chamaebatia foliolosa, and Lysimachia Foenum-Graecum

Pueblo

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namaste kathryn;

i am not sure that anyone can tell you how to blend more than we could tell

camille claudel how to sculpt... or to love rodin.

however, i spy with my little eye too much herbal " musk " . you might try

lightening it with a citrus or a lighter floral.

just a suggestion... i intend to remain novice for the rest of my

nonprofessional career. *bliss*

muchlight;einsof

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> I thought I introduced myself when I joined this group but I don't know if it

went up. So again, I'm an aspiring perfumer, trying to soak up as much info as

I can and having a blast mixing oils together. I have a question about hay

(foin coupe) that I bought from Libery Natural. I love the tobacco/tea/and

well, duh, hay smell it has. I'm not sure what to blend it with though as it's

proven to be quite strong. I made a blend like this:

> BASE

> 8 hay

> 2 vetiver

> 3 calamus

> 2 patchouli

>

> HEART

> 6 coriander

> 7 lavender

> 6 clary sage

> 2 roman chamomile

>

> TOP

> 7 rosewood

> 4 cedarwood

> 1 galbanum

> 6 coriander

>

> ALL I smell is hay. Does anyone have experience using this essential oil?

>

> Thanks,

>

Welcome to the group and it's great you included your formula. Hay is

VERY strong. I have mine tinctured (diluted with 190 proof alcohol) down to

25%. But if you use it full strength you might want to try 1-2 drops first and

reduce your other notes proportionally. Coriander, lavender and clary sage EOs

are considered top notes as are galbanum and rosewood. It has to do with how

quickly the oils dry down and loose their scent. I always test each oil by

placing a drop on a scent strip, noting the time until the scent has gone away.

Top notes up to 1 hour, heart notes up to 2 or 3 hours, base notes 3 or more

hours. Some plants can be extracted as an EO or absolute and the rate of

diffusion will differ. Clary sage EO is a top note, but the absolute is a heart

note. By the way, Hay is an absolute. In my formulas I always note the type of

extraction I'm using and the percentage it has been diluted. I don't dilute all

of my oils, just the ones that are overpowering or very thick, that way I have

more control over my blend. You may want to try various modifications to your

above formula, allow them to sit for a couple of weeks and then evaluate. Hay

blends with a lot of things, tobacco abs, lavender abs, fir balsam abs, seville

lavender. When I want to use a note in a blend I test it with a variety of

other oils by putting a drop of hay on a scent strip along with another note and

then evaluate. You've got to experiment!!!!

Happy blending!

Maggie

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Hi Maggie and others,

 

Your response was wonderful in detailing learning more about the notes for oils,

absolutes, and such.  I did have one quick question in response:

 

If you are testing out a diluted substance, such as the Hay absolute diluted

to 25% in alcohol, do you still use the same time scale to determine if its is a

top, heart, or base note? Or do you adjust that scale knowing there is less of

the substance versus a drop of undiluted version?

 

Thanks so much!

 

 

 

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To my knowledge and research, (which has been extensive), there is no known

published information for using this material in an aromatic context for two of

these materials. (for one of them, there has been a conversation between me and

other perfumers, however...) For the Lysimachia, there is a research paper

detailing different extraction methods used to obtain a true to the plant aroma,

but there is no known commercially available extraction available for usage

either as a captive or for common sale.

And BTW, as good as Arctander's book is, there's a WHOLE lot that is NOT in the

book...

Pueblo

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> This may be a silly question, but what is an " unpublished " element? Not in

Arctander's book?

>

> Chris

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