Guest guest Posted March 18, 2010 Report Share Posted March 18, 2010 > ALL I smell is hay. Does anyone have experience using this essential > oil? One of my best perfumes, Demeter, is a hay composition. The hay is .18 grams out of 2.26 altogether (13 total notes), ie, hay has very good odor intensity; I'd cut way back on the amount of hay you use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2010 Report Share Posted March 18, 2010 > > One of my best perfumes, Demeter, is a hay composition. The hay is .18 > grams out of 2.26 altogether (13 total notes), ie, hay has very good > odor intensity; I'd cut way back on the amount of hay you use. Thanks, Adam. Without giving away any proprietary information ;-), do you have any recommendations for what blends well with hay? I've looked online and I can't find anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2010 Report Share Posted March 18, 2010 > do you have any recommendations for what blends well with hay? > Black Currant Abs. and less so Carnation Abs. Have naturally affinities with Hay in my experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2010 Report Share Posted March 18, 2010 > Thanks, Adam. Without giving away any proprietary information ;-), > do you have any recommendations for what blends well with hay? I've > looked online and I can't find anything. Pine needle, tobacco, sandalwood, then there's benzoin, but I add that to everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2010 Report Share Posted March 18, 2010 °Edited to gain space for database, as we can follow the thread below the answer in Yahoo window° I love Hay abs, it's one of my favourite bases. Your blend has a lot of hay in the base...and some very mixed oils in the rest (as in they are all very different and to my mind some clash) What kind of scent were you trying to achieve? I'd try simplifying the belnd A LOT and then go from there! If you like the hay, just start with it and pick first one that compliments it beautifully, then another, then if it needs something to give it a slightly different note...etc.... Ambrosia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2010 Report Share Posted March 19, 2010 Arctander says for Hay Oil: (He says nothing for Hay Abs) Clary Sage Champaka Mimosa Cassie Magnolia leaf oil Flouve oil Chamomile Oils Helychrysum oils Tobacco Leaf Abs Mate extracts Tea Leaf Abs Phenyl Ethyl Alcohol (A mild rose odor) Linalool (think Basil) Bergamot Oil Lemon Oil Ylang-ylang Bitter Orange Oil Deertongue Melilotus Coumarin (think Tonka Bean) Pueblo also thinks Honeybush CO2 might work too, Maybe Elemi, and why not for Cypress, and Hinoki types? And also for my three favorite unpublished and unavailable elements: Larrea Tridentata, Chamaebatia foliolosa, and Lysimachia Foenum-Graecum Pueblo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2010 Report Share Posted March 19, 2010 namaste kathryn; i am not sure that anyone can tell you how to blend more than we could tell camille claudel how to sculpt... or to love rodin. however, i spy with my little eye too much herbal " musk " . you might try lightening it with a citrus or a lighter floral. just a suggestion... i intend to remain novice for the rest of my nonprofessional career. *bliss* muchlight;einsof Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2010 Report Share Posted March 19, 2010 oh. i think i top-posted. terribly sorry. although... you know, very king of the mountainish. *wink* Â einsof Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2010 Report Share Posted March 19, 2010 > > I thought I introduced myself when I joined this group but I don't know if it went up. So again, I'm an aspiring perfumer, trying to soak up as much info as I can and having a blast mixing oils together. I have a question about hay (foin coupe) that I bought from Libery Natural. I love the tobacco/tea/and well, duh, hay smell it has. I'm not sure what to blend it with though as it's proven to be quite strong. I made a blend like this: > BASE > 8 hay > 2 vetiver > 3 calamus > 2 patchouli > > HEART > 6 coriander > 7 lavender > 6 clary sage > 2 roman chamomile > > TOP > 7 rosewood > 4 cedarwood > 1 galbanum > 6 coriander > > ALL I smell is hay. Does anyone have experience using this essential oil? > > Thanks, > Welcome to the group and it's great you included your formula. Hay is VERY strong. I have mine tinctured (diluted with 190 proof alcohol) down to 25%. But if you use it full strength you might want to try 1-2 drops first and reduce your other notes proportionally. Coriander, lavender and clary sage EOs are considered top notes as are galbanum and rosewood. It has to do with how quickly the oils dry down and loose their scent. I always test each oil by placing a drop on a scent strip, noting the time until the scent has gone away. Top notes up to 1 hour, heart notes up to 2 or 3 hours, base notes 3 or more hours. Some plants can be extracted as an EO or absolute and the rate of diffusion will differ. Clary sage EO is a top note, but the absolute is a heart note. By the way, Hay is an absolute. In my formulas I always note the type of extraction I'm using and the percentage it has been diluted. I don't dilute all of my oils, just the ones that are overpowering or very thick, that way I have more control over my blend. You may want to try various modifications to your above formula, allow them to sit for a couple of weeks and then evaluate. Hay blends with a lot of things, tobacco abs, lavender abs, fir balsam abs, seville lavender. When I want to use a note in a blend I test it with a variety of other oils by putting a drop of hay on a scent strip along with another note and then evaluate. You've got to experiment!!!! Happy blending! Maggie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2010 Report Share Posted March 19, 2010 Thanks to everyone for responding to my questions. I really appreciate it. I have a new respect for the power of hay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2010 Report Share Posted March 19, 2010 Hi Maggie and others, Your response was wonderful in detailing learning more about the notes for oils, absolutes, and such. I did have one quick question in response: If you are testing out a diluted substance, such as the Hay absolute diluted to 25% in alcohol, do you still use the same time scale to determine if its is a top, heart, or base note? Or do you adjust that scale knowing there is less of the substance versus a drop of undiluted version? Thanks so much! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2010 Report Share Posted March 20, 2010 This may be a silly question, but what is an " unpublished " element? Not in Arctander's book? Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2010 Report Share Posted March 20, 2010 To my knowledge and research, (which has been extensive), there is no known published information for using this material in an aromatic context for two of these materials. (for one of them, there has been a conversation between me and other perfumers, however...) For the Lysimachia, there is a research paper detailing different extraction methods used to obtain a true to the plant aroma, but there is no known commercially available extraction available for usage either as a captive or for common sale. And BTW, as good as Arctander's book is, there's a WHOLE lot that is NOT in the book... Pueblo > > This may be a silly question, but what is an " unpublished " element? Not in Arctander's book? > > Chris > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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