Re: LDN How do you tell if your ready to try it?

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is do you have trouble actually getting to sleep - and that means you have troubles in the morning?

Disturbed sleep can be yeast, phenols and or low Magnesium in my experience with me and son.

Lactoferrin has helped me with quality of sleep though I am not sure I understand why - I started it on the recommnedation of another mum I admire who said it helped her

Mandi x

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is if you think you are an alcoholic you should seek medical help

and stop drinking. It seems less surprising that you find it hard to

wake up in the morning

Sally

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> Hello

>

> I have been gf/cf for over a year now and i wish to try LDN. I was

> wondering if it could help me to sleep. i was also wondering what are

> the side effects and beneficial side effects.

>

> im an aspie so would appreciate any help you could give me on this

> subject. Can LDN help an autistic alcohlolic to sleep and come off the

> alcohol as well?

>

> thanks

>

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is,

LDN (low dose naltrexone - transdermal) works as immunomodulator, so I

guess it won´t help neither for sleep nor alcohol issues.

Naltrexone oral in normal dose is used to help with adictions, but I

think not to alcohol but to hard opiate drugs.

Tryptophane depletion is sometimes asociated to both compulsive

behaviors and sleeping issues, you may search also this path, and

remember that it´s B6 (and other stuff) dependant. I mention this

because most people have enough tryptophane in his diet and B6 is

often too low in ASD.

To balance neurotransmiters and nutrition -I think- is not something

one could do by himself, I think you need proper testing and pro

guidance.

Take care

>

> Hello

>

> I have been gf/cf for over a year now and i wish to try LDN. I was

> wondering if it could help me to sleep. i was also wondering what are

> the side effects and beneficial side effects.

>

> im an aspie so would appreciate any help you could give me on this

> subject. Can LDN help an autistic alcohlolic to sleep and come off

the

> alcohol as well?

>

> thanks

>

> is

>

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>> is,

> LDN (low dose naltrexone - transdermal) works as immunomodulator, so I

> guess it won´t help neither for sleep nor alcohol issues.

well... not really ...as it is not ONLY an immunomodulator, there is

definitely MUCH MORE to it than immune-system modulation!!!!!

naltrexone is an opiod receptor antagonist in full doses, whether it

still has this function in small doses - well, probably not, but very

likely the opposite: acts as an mu-receptor agonist (=hermiosis), thus

influencing chemokine receptors and calcium signalling... in neurons

and other cells as well as cells of the immune system...

as for the alcohol issues... huh, not sure, the thing is, there is not

enough research on LDN (as opposed to full-dose Naltrexone, which DOES

help with dependance). My speculative guess is that LDN may make you

more sensitive to the effects of alcohol. Only a guess!

Natasa

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Are you the same person who runs Mandimart?

>>>yes thats me We started last year so I could work from home and spend more time on the TA charity. Most everything we sell is cheaper than you can get it elsewhere, some of it £6-7 per item cheaper. We keep stuff thats hard to get elsewhere aslo. We also provide the service we would like to receive so turn around orders the same day if received by 12.00noon and send everything first class (Royal mail lets us down sometimes but I thik we have all expeienced that!). We also donate 10% of profits (which wern't much this year) to the Treating Autism charity where I am a trustee.

My comments are marked with a *On 26/05/07, Mum231ASDaol <Mum231ASDaol> wrote:> is do you have trouble actually getting to sleep - and that means you have troubles in the morning?* it could be a number of things, 1, i dont slow down at night iactually get a lot done including emails, 2, i have a lot on my mindand if it really bothers me i have to attempt to solve an issue beforegoing to bed, 3, i dont have a proper bedtime routine, 4, i take my5htp 30 mins before going to sleep then loose track of time and wakeup again.

>>>That sounds much like me really except I don't take 5HTP as it made me ravenous and I am already bustin out of my clothes LOL* i was awake for 28 hours yesterday (my longest is almost 36) as iwent up to see a mate, bring him back and go to a hobby fair whilstthere, i was hyper (i do go like that when overtired) so couldnt driftoff.

>>yes I have done the overtired thing too, amazed at how I manage to function at all - I am getting better at not doing that now but it was common when we were organising the conference ealier this year

> Disturbed sleep can be yeast, phenols and or low Magnesium in my experience with me and son.* i take magnesium suppliments every day and im treating phenolissues. i got a tub of no-phenol through the post and i am going tostart it within the next couple of days.

>>Good luck with that. Some of the kids had sleep issues when introducing No Fenol - not exactly hyper but purposefully busy type behaviour - sounds like you have that already but just wanted to let you know . We found it the most difficult one to introduce for Sam (we just waded in with the others as it was before guidelines) but once he was settled out he did great.

No Fenol will also reduce the amount of stool matter on the bowel so can seem as if yuo are a consitpated in terms of not seeing so much poop for a few days too. Its a good thing because it means there is less waste sitting around in the bowel for the bugs to feed on.

> Lactoferrin has helped me with quality of sleep though I am not sure I understand why - I started it on the recommnedation of another mum I admire who said it helped her* I cant take that as it comes from milk (lacto = milk). Ferrin is aaform of iron i think.>>>OIC, we don't GFCF anymore since the enzymes but I am sure there must be people taking this who are - I shall have a search around for you and see what I come up with - it actually binds up the free floating iron in the gut which would otherwise be used for food by the gut bugs but it is some derivative from milk I think as many brands of Colostrum say they contain it. Come to think of it I think Kirkmans does and thats also listed as GFCF. Will let you know if I find anything

Mandi x

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Hello Sally

No its not for me its for my aspie alcoholic mate. Im virtually tee-total. I occassionally drink

but not to excess.

Aleixs (who doesnt know what alcohol is not gf/cf/potato/msg/aspartame free)

is if you think you are an alcoholic you should seek medical help and stop drinking. It seems less surprising that you find it hard to wake up in the morningSally is wrote:>> Hello>> I have been gf/cf for over a year now and i wish to try LDN. I was> wondering if it could help me to sleep. i was also wondering what are

> the side effects and beneficial side effects.>> im an aspie so would appreciate any help you could give me on this> subject. Can LDN help an autistic alcohlolic to sleep and come off the> alcohol as well?

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Hello W

My comments are marked with a *

> is,

> LDN (low dose naltrexone - transdermal) works as immunomodulator, so I

> guess it won´t help neither for sleep nor alcohol issues.

> Naltrexone oral in normal dose is used to help with adictions, but I

> think not to alcohol but to hard opiate drugs.

* What about if it was a withdrawl from demorphins? Can LDN help with that?

Ive noticed that his choice of alcohol is beer! Also he drinks at

least a pint of milk every day and craves high fat foods. Hes very

self destructive.

>

> Tryptophane depletion is sometimes asociated to both compulsive

> behaviors and sleeping issues, you may search also this path, and

> remember that it´s B6 (and other stuff) dependant. I mention this

> because most people have enough tryptophane in his diet and B6 is

> often too low in ASD.

* i dont eat red meat products or cod. I eat fish and poultry and im

cf/gf as well. i do like chicken and lots of different seafood

products. i am taking 5HTP from Holland and Barretts which contains

50mg of 5htp (i take 100mg), 5mg NE of Niacin (pre diet i had too much

Niacin in my diet), 5mg of b6 and 25mg of magnesium. This might

explain why i cannot wake up early enough in the morning? Im taking

100mg a night. Is that too much? Ive considered going on a b6

preparation but im not sure whats the best one to take?

> To balance neurotransmiters and nutrition -I think- is not something

> one could do by himself, I think you need proper testing and pro

> guidance.

* i cannot afford the testing so i will keep searching to see if i can

find the right dosage. Maybe the other group im on would be able to

advise.

thanks for your help

is

> Take care

>

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Hello Mandi

Are you the same person who runs Mandimart? My comments are marked with a *

> is do you have trouble actually getting to sleep - and that means you have

troubles in the morning?

* it could be a number of things, 1, i dont slow down at night i

actually get a lot done including emails, 2, i have a lot on my mind

and if it really bothers me i have to attempt to solve an issue before

going to bed, 3, i dont have a proper bedtime routine, 4, i take my

5htp 30 mins before going to sleep then loose track of time and wake

up again.

* i was awake for 28 hours yesterday (my longest is almost 36) as i

went up to see a mate, bring him back and go to a hobby fair whilst

there, i was hyper (i do go like that when overtired) so couldnt drift

off.

>

> Disturbed sleep can be yeast, phenols and or low Magnesium in my experience

with me and son.

* i take magnesium suppliments every day and im treating phenol

issues. i got a tub of no-phenol through the post and i am going to

start it within the next couple of days.

>

> Lactoferrin has helped me with quality of sleep though I am not sure I

understand why - I started it on the recommnedation of another mum I admire who

said it helped her

* I cant take that as it comes from milk (lacto = milk). Ferrin is aa

form of iron i think.

thanks

Aleixs

>

> Mandi x

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Hello Mandi

My comments are marked with **

> In a message dated 27/05/2007 18:52:49 GMT Standard Time,

alexis.atrekkie22@... writes:

> Are you the same person who runs Mandimart?

> >>>yes thats me We started last year so I could work from home and spend

more time on the TA charity. Most everything we sell is cheaper than you can get

it elsewhere, some of it £6-7 per item cheaper. We keep stuff thats hard to get

elsewhere aslo. We also provide the service we would like to receive so turn

around orders the same day if received by 12.00noon and send everything first

class (Royal mail lets us down sometimes but I thik we have all expeienced

that!). We also donate 10% of profits (which wern't much this year) to the

Treating Autism charity where I am a trustee.

** Oh good then i can email you if i have trouble finding something? I

noticed a high speed delivery and you would have got excellent results

if you were an ebay seller doing this lol. I hope the treating autism

charity helps to overcome a lot of anxiety, stress, depression and

sleep issues for both the autistics and their parents. Its a mayor

issue for me and my aspie mates.

> * it could be a number of things, 1, i dont slow down at night i

> actually get a lot done including emails, 2, i have a lot on my mind

> and if it really bothers me i have to attempt to solve an issue before

> going to bed, 3, i dont have a proper bedtime routine, 4, i take my

> 5htp 30 mins before going to sleep then loose track of time and wake

> up again.

> >>>That sounds much like me really except I don't take 5HTP as it made me

ravenous and I am already bustin out of my clothes LOL

** Oh so thats not my imagination then? Maybe im taking too much.

>

> * i was awake for 28 hours yesterday (my longest is almost 36) as i

> went up to see a mate, bring him back and go to a hobby fair whilst

> there, i was hyper (i do go like that when overtired) so couldnt drift

> off.

>

> >>yes I have done the overtired thing too, amazed at how I manage to function

at all - I am getting better at not doing that now but it was common when we

were organising the conference ealier this year

>

** Im often planning things such as holidays and trips out late at night.

>

> > Disturbed sleep can be yeast, phenols and or low Magnesium in my experience

with me and son.

>

> * i take magnesium suppliments every day and im treating phenol

> issues. i got a tub of no-phenol through the post and i am going to

> start it within the next couple of days.

>

> >>Good luck with that. Some of the kids had sleep issues when introducing No

Fenol - not exactly hyper but purposefully busy type behaviour - sounds like you

have that already but just wanted to let you know . We found it the most

difficult one to introduce for Sam (we just waded in with the others as it was

before guidelines) but once he was settled out he did great.

** i dont think im like that its just a case of being ordered around

and rushed into things that i get stressed and explode. im 10 times

better since switching to biomed.

>

> No Fenol will also reduce the amount of stool matter on the bowel so can seem

as if yuo are a consitpated in terms of not seeing so much poop for a few days

too. Its a good thing because it means there is less waste sitting around in the

bowel for the bugs to feed on.

** thanks for the warning.

is

>

> > Lactoferrin has helped me with quality of sleep though I am not sure I

understand why - I started it on the recommnedation of another mum I admire who

said it helped her

>

> * I cant take that as it comes from milk (lacto = milk). Ferrin is aa

> form of iron i think.

>

> >>>OIC, we don't GFCF anymore since the enzymes but I am sure there must be

people taking this who are - I shall have a search around for you and see what I

come up with - it actually binds up the free floating iron in the gut which

would otherwise be used for food by the gut bugs but it is some derivative from

milk I think as many brands of Colostrum say they contain it. Come to think of

it I think Kirkmans does and thats also listed as GFCF. Will let you know if I

find anything

>

> Mandi x