Re: S boulardii - When is best time for dosing ?

[Guest guest]

The label (I am using Kirkman's) suggests on empty stomach but I am cautious of the strong reaction it may give.

>>>>IMO you are wasting it giving it with a mealCan anyone pls advise..when is the best time for its dosing ?

>>Empty stomach - I do it late at night when Sam is asleep

Should I also add activate charcoal afterwards ?

>>>I would start with just 1/4 cap, give early morning on a day you can monitor child, give charcaol 60 - 90 mins later if you need to.

I would just wait and see first dose - you need to know what is happening to guage whether or not to increase. We had mega die off first time out and rash on bottom and face, it scared me off for some time and now I wish I'd been braver, he can take 6 now without issues

good luck, its powerful stuff

Mandi x

[Guest guest]

Also watch out for allergic reactions. Look on the Kirkman’s website for a detailed write up on what this would look like. Tom had an allergic reaction, exactly as they described it.

>>I thought the same when I first used it on Sam but it was die off - doesn;t help that they look the same for him................

Mandi x

[Guest guest]

Hello Tetty,

We give a capsule in his juice at night (along with other

things!) and do not see a reaction, we dont need charcol for it

either.

Lara x

>

> Dear all,

>

> I am going to use S boulardii to supress yeast.

>

> The label (I am using Kirkman's) suggests on empty stomach but I am

> cautious of the strong reaction it may give.

>

> Can anyone pls advise..when is the best time for its dosing ?

>

> Should I also add activate charcoal afterwards ?

>

> Thanks in advance.

>

> Tetty

> in Dubai

>

[Guest guest]

Also

watch out for allergic reactions. Look on the Kirkman’s

website for a detailed write up on what this would look like. Tom had an

allergic reaction, exactly as they described it.

Sara

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S boulardii - When is best time for dosing ?

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message dated 07/05/2007 11:03:40 GMT Standard Time, t_heradiniyahoo (DOT) co.uk

writes:

The label (I am using Kirkman's) suggests on empty stomach

but I am

cautious of the strong reaction it may give.

>>>>IMO you are wasting it

giving it with a meal

Can anyone pls advise..when is the best time for its dosing ?

>>Empty stomach - I do it late at night when Sam is asleep

Should I also add activate charcoal afterwards ?

>>>I would start with just 1/4 cap, give early morning on

a day you can monitor child, give charcaol 60 - 90 mins later if you need to.

I would just wait and see first dose - you need to know what is

happening to guage whether or not to increase. We had mega die off first time

out and rash on bottom and face, it scared me off for some time and now I wish

I'd been braver, he can take 6 now without issues

good luck, its powerful stuff

Mandi x

[Guest guest]

-We've also had rash since using S Boullardii,she also had hives a

week after finishing a course of antibiotics and when I'd upped the

dosage of S.boullardi.I felt this was die-off.I've been giving a 1/2

cap of Charcoal in the early hours and this has helped a lot.

Love Sharon xx

-- In Autism-Biomedical-Europe , Mum231ASD@... wrote:

>

>

> In a message dated 07/05/2007 14:51:45 GMT Standard Time,

> Moroza-@... writes:

>

> Also watch out for allergic reactions. Look on the Kirkman’s

website for a

> detailed write up on what this would look like. Tom had an

allergic reaction,

> exactly as they described it.

>

>

> >>I thought the same when I first used it on Sam but it was die

off -

> doesn;t help that they look the same for him................

>

> Mandi x

>

[Guest guest]

The allergic reaction is something quite specific though, isn’t it? A rash down your right leg or something like that I seem to remember (at least that’s what Tom had)

>>Sams was all over rash/hives (if they are like red welts on the skin), trunk and legs. We have it had it since with die off using other stuff too. This is what it says on kirkman site

S. boulardii should only be taken under the guidance and direction of a health care practitioner. This supplement is generally well tolerated; however, if any of the following symptoms occur, then stop and contact your physician: hives, rash, or itchy swollen skin, breathing problems or tightness in throat or chest. These symptoms may indicate an allergic reaction which may require medical attention or require that the product be discontinued. Other possible side effects may include gastrointestinal symptoms such as flatulence (gas) and constipation.

So I thought the same as you and stopped. However, when I saw this with almost every die off with different products I figured it may not be anything more than a die off reaction in Sams case. He wasn't swollen, no breathing problems and every yeast killer causes him flatulence. These things are sent to try us - making a bad reaction look much the same as a 'good/effective' one.

Mandi x

PS Sam often used to get the down the leg rash which was related to urine almost burning him at times, poor little man, I am glad we are past that now

[Guest guest]

The

allergic reaction is something quite specific though, isn’t it? A rash down

your right leg or something like that I seem to remember (at least that’s what

Tom had)

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Subject: Re:

S boulardii - When is best time for dosing ?

In a

message dated 07/05/2007 14:51:45 GMT Standard Time, Moroza-Tiscali (DOT) co.uk

writes:

Also watch out for allergic reactions. Look

on the Kirkman’s website for a detailed write up on

what this would look like. Tom had an allergic reaction, exactly as they

described it.

>>I

thought the same when I first used it on Sam but it was die off - doesn;t help

that they look the same for him................

Mandi x

[Guest guest]

God that’s really interesting, told me that she hasn’t had a patient yet that didn’t have an allergic reaction to S. Boulardii. So maybe they’re all just having die off!

>>Yep - but as far as I can see there is no real way to tell - sigh.............unless you keep going of course and things get better.

Its a very effective product for us (does what it says on the tin lol), I used to pulse dose it when we first started second time out - 3 days on and a few weeks off till I got more confident with it and with the encouragment of another old timer who said - get that dose up to 6 caps & let it strut its stuff!! that I did (slowly) and it did too. I am convinced it helps with Clostridia. We use 2-3 caps for maintenance depending on what else I decide to fling in the pot that day (Primal Defense, Culturelle, CP1)

We have no need of heavy handed yeast killers in this house anymore, probiotics (including Sacc and Candex sort it for us now. That could be though the extensive chelation we have done, we didn't stop for yeast - there didn't seem any point when it just started again when you did another round and we went through it and out the other side at about round 50.

Bacteria we do still need killers for but Sam is doing well on the Yasko combo of herbs for gut bugs - Neem, Oregon Grape, BayLeaf, Goldenseal, O2 Life and we had a few days of aggression and short fuse behaviours when we recently added Oxydrene (they are his standard bacterial die off reactions). I was pleased, man that Oxydrene stuff is expensive and I would have been very disappointed if I hadn't seen a reaction. I guess I now have the mindset, if there is no die off reaction then I don't think its working lol

In Tom’s case though, I’d never seen this particular die-off before. Having said that he doesn’t appear to have any allergies either. Hmmm, it’d be nice if he could take it.

>>Wow, we have had most every kind of rash with Sam and die off the worst though was always with GSE in the early days, poop and we would burn his skin on contact, poor little man was a mess - most deffo a yeast mountain!

Mandi x

[Guest guest]

God

that’s really interesting, told me that she hasn’t had a patient yet that

didn’t have an allergic reaction to S. Boulardii. So maybe

they’re all just having die off!

In

Tom’s case though, I’d never seen this particular die-off before. Having said that he doesn’t appear to have any allergies either.

Hmmm, it’d be nice if he could take it.

Sara

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Sent: 07 May 2007 22:57

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Autism-Biomedical-Europe

Subject: Re:

S boulardii - When is best time for dosing ?

In a

message dated 07/05/2007 21:45:28 GMT Standard Time, Moroza-Tiscali (DOT) co.uk

writes:

The allergic reaction is something quite

specific though, isn’t it? A rash down your right leg or something like that I

seem to remember (at least that’s what Tom had)

>>Sams

was all over rash/hives (if they are like red welts on the skin), trunk and

legs. We have it had it since with die off using other stuff too. This is what

it says on kirkman site

S. boulardii should only be taken under the guidance and direction

of a health care practitioner. This supplement is generally well tolerated;

however, if any of the following symptoms occur, then stop and contact your

physician: hives, rash, or itchy swollen skin, breathing problems or tightness

in throat or chest. These symptoms may indicate an allergic reaction which may

require medical attention or require that the product be discontinued. Other

possible side effects may include gastrointestinal symptoms such as flatulence

(gas) and constipation.

So I thought the same as

you and stopped. However, when I saw this with almost every die off with

different products I figured it may not be anything more than a die off

reaction in Sams case. He wasn't swollen, no breathing problems and every yeast

killer causes him flatulence. These things are sent to try us - making a bad

reaction look much the same as a 'good/effective' one.

Mandi x

PS Sam often used to get

the down the leg rash which was related to urine almost burning him at times,

poor little man, I am glad we are past that now

[Guest guest]

I thought the die off would cause some allergy reaction as it was

irritating the gut.I gave charcoal and this helped.After the

hives ,her stools where bad as well so I gave her easily digestible

foods to eat and upped her Aloe and glucosamine.The rashes have now

almost gone,just a faint rash on her back and backs of her legs.

Katy is only on 1 1/2 caps and I've introduced this very slowly.It's

taken me since the conference to get to this amount.

Love Sharon xx

>

> God that's really interesting, told me that she hasn't had a

> patient yet that didn't have an allergic reaction to S. Boulardii.

So

> maybe they're all just having die off!

> In Tom's case though, I'd never seen this particular die-off

before.

> Having said that he doesn't appear to have any allergies either.

Hmmm,

> it'd be nice if he could take it.

> Sara

>

> Re: S boulardii - When is best

time

> for dosing ?

>

> In a message dated 07/05/2007 21:45:28 GMT Standard Time,

> Moroza-@... writes:

> The allergic reaction is something quite specific though, isn't

it? A

> rash down your right leg or something like that I seem to remember

(at

> least that's what Tom had)

> >>Sams was all over rash/hives (if they are like red welts on the

skin),

> trunk and legs. We have it had it since with die off using other

stuff

> too. This is what it says on kirkman site

>

> S. boulardii should only be taken under the guidance and direction

of a

> health care practitioner. This supplement is generally well

tolerated;

> however, if any of the following symptoms occur, then stop and

contact

> your physician: hives, rash, or itchy swollen skin, breathing

problems

> or tightness in throat or chest. These symptoms may indicate an

allergic

> reaction which may require medical attention or require that the

product

> be discontinued. Other possible side effects may include

> gastrointestinal symptoms such as flatulence (gas) and

constipation.

> So I thought the same as you and stopped. However, when I saw this

with

> almost every die off with different products I figured it may not

be

> anything more than a die off reaction in Sams case. He wasn't

swollen,

> no breathing problems and every yeast killer causes him flatulence.

> These things are sent to try us - making a bad reaction look much

the

> same as a 'good/effective' one.

> Mandi x

> PS Sam often used to get the down the leg rash which was related to

> urine almost burning him at times, poor little man, I am glad we

are

> past that now

>

[Guest guest]

Hi all,

I haven't used this as yet, but my question is, if it causes an allergic

reaction or if these reactions are merely die off symptoms, wouldn't we

see a degree of these allergic/similar reactions when using Primal

Defense as it also contains S boulardii (although quantities of it are

probably a lot less)?

emily

>

> In a message dated 08/05/2007 09:27:45 GMT Standard Time,

> Moroza-@... writes:

>

> God that’s really interesting, told me that she

hasn’t had a patient

> yet that didn’t have an allergic reaction to S. Boulardii. So

maybe they’re

> all just having die off!

>

> >>Yep - but as far as I can see there is no real way to tell -

> sigh.............unless you keep going of course and things get

better.

>

> Its a very effective product for us (does what it says on the tin

lol), I

> used to pulse dose it when we first started second time out - 3 days

on and a

> few weeks off till I got more confident with it and with the

encouragment of

> another old timer who said - get that dose up to 6 caps & let it strut

its

> stuff!! that I did (slowly) and it did too. I am convinced it helps

with

> Clostridia. We use 2-3 caps for maintenance depending on what else I

decide to

> fling in the pot that day (Primal Defense, Culturelle, CP1)

>

> We have no need of heavy handed yeast killers in this house anymore,

> probiotics (including Sacc and Candex sort it for us now. That

could be though

> the extensive chelation we have done, we didn't stop for yeast - there

didn't

> seem any point when it just started again when you did another round

and we

> went through it and out the other side at about round 50.

>

> Bacteria we do still need killers for but Sam is doing well on the

Yasko

> combo of herbs for gut bugs - Neem, Oregon Grape, BayLeaf, Goldenseal,

O2 Life

> and we had a few days of aggression and short fuse behaviours when we

recently

> added Oxydrene (they are his standard bacterial die off reactions). I

was

> pleased, man that Oxydrene stuff is expensive and I would have been

very

> disappointed if I hadn't seen a reaction. I guess I now have the

mindset, if there

> is no die off reaction then I don't think its working lol

>

> In Tom’s case though, I’d never seen this particular

die-off before. Having

> said that he doesn’t appear to have any allergies either. Hmmm,

it’d be

> nice if he could take it.

>

> >>Wow, we have had most every kind of rash with Sam and die off the

worst

> though was always with GSE in the early days, poop and we would burn

his skin

> on contact, poor little man was a mess - most deffo a yeast mountain!

>

> Mandi x

>

[Guest guest]

Hi

,

No

idea about whether you should see it or not although it sounds logical to me. I

just wanted to say, fwiw, that we did see it with S.

Boulardii and didn’t see it with Primal Defense.

Sara

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Autism-Biomedical-Europe

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Sent: 08 May 2007 10:58

To:

Autism-Biomedical-Europe

Subject:

Re: S boulardii - When is best time for dosing ?

Hi all,

I haven't used this as yet, but my question is, if it causes an allergic

reaction or if these reactions are merely die off symptoms, wouldn't we

see a degree of these allergic/similar reactions when using Primal

Defense as it also contains S boulardii (although quantities of it are

probably a lot less)?

emily

>

> In a message dated 08/05/2007 09:27:45 GMT Standard Time,

> Moroza-@... writes:

>

> God that’s really interesting, told me that she

hasn’t had a patient

> yet that didn’t have an allergic reaction to S. Boulardii.

So

maybe they’re

> all just having die off!

>

> >>Yep - but as far as I can see there is no real way to tell -

> sigh.............unless you keep going of course and things get

better.

>

> Its a very effective product for us (does what it says on the tin

lol), I

> used to pulse dose it when we first started second time out - 3 days

on and a

> few weeks off till I got more confident with it and with the

encouragment of

> another old timer who said - get that dose up to 6 caps & let it strut

its

> stuff!! that I did (slowly) and it did too. I am convinced it helps

with

> Clostridia. We use 2-3 caps for maintenance depending on what else I

decide to

> fling in the pot that day (Primal Defense, Culturelle, CP1)

>

> We have no need of heavy handed yeast killers in this house anymore,

> probiotics (including Sacc and Candex sort it for us now. That

could be though

> the extensive chelation we have done, we didn't stop for yeast - there

didn't

> seem any point when it just started again when you did another round

and we

> went through it and out the other side at about round 50.

>

> Bacteria we do still need killers for but Sam is doing well on the

Yasko

> combo of herbs for gut bugs - Neem, Oregon Grape, BayLeaf, Goldenseal,

O2 Life

> and we had a few days of aggression and short fuse behaviours when we

recently

> added Oxydrene (they are his standard bacterial die off reactions). I

was

> pleased, man that Oxydrene stuff is expensive and I would have been

very

> disappointed if I hadn't seen a reaction. I guess I now have the

mindset, if there

> is no die off reaction then I don't think its working lol

>

> In Tom’s case though, I’d never seen this

particular

die-off before. Having

> said that he doesn’t appear to have any allergies either.

Hmmm,

it’d be

> nice if he could take it.

>

> >>Wow, we have had most every kind of rash with Sam and die off the

worst

> though was always with GSE in the early days, poop and we would burn

his skin

> on contact, poor little man was a mess - most deffo a yeast mountain!

>

> Mandi x

>

[Guest guest]

Sara,

So I guess like your experience we might see something with S boulardii

here, when we come to try it. It's just that I wondered if there was

any hint of a reaction with PD with other kiddies, that I might be

missing when I give it to Norman. I haven't seen any so far, except

for a red band across his face from cheek to cheek (which sometimes high

ketosis can bring on, though on testing his levels have been fine).

Thanks for this.

emily x

> >

> > In a message dated 08/05/2007 09:27:45 GMT Standard Time,

> > Moroza-@ writes:

> >

> > God that’s really interesting, told me that she

> hasn’t had a patient

> > yet that didn’t have an allergic reaction to S. Boulardii. So

> maybe they’re

> > all just having die off!

> >

> > >>Yep - but as far as I can see there is no real way to tell -

> > sigh.............unless you keep going of course and things get

> better.

> >

> > Its a very effective product for us (does what it says on the tin

> lol), I

> > used to pulse dose it when we first started second time out - 3 days

> on and a

> > few weeks off till I got more confident with it and with the

> encouragment of

> > another old timer who said - get that dose up to 6 caps & let it

strut

> its

> > stuff!! that I did (slowly) and it did too. I am convinced it helps

> with

> > Clostridia. We use 2-3 caps for maintenance depending on what else I

> decide to

> > fling in the pot that day (Primal Defense, Culturelle, CP1)

> >

> > We have no need of heavy handed yeast killers in this house anymore,

> > probiotics (including Sacc and Candex sort it for us now. That

> could be though

> > the extensive chelation we have done, we didn't stop for yeast -

there

> didn't

> > seem any point when it just started again when you did another round

> and we

> > went through it and out the other side at about round 50.

> >

> > Bacteria we do still need killers for but Sam is doing well on the

> Yasko

> > combo of herbs for gut bugs - Neem, Oregon Grape, BayLeaf,

Goldenseal,

> O2 Life

> > and we had a few days of aggression and short fuse behaviours when

we

> recently

> > added Oxydrene (they are his standard bacterial die off reactions).

I

> was

> > pleased, man that Oxydrene stuff is expensive and I would have been

> very

> > disappointed if I hadn't seen a reaction. I guess I now have the

> mindset, if there

> > is no die off reaction then I don't think its working lol

> >

> > In Tom’s case though, I’d never seen this particular

> die-off before. Having

> > said that he doesn’t appear to have any allergies either.

Hmmm,

> it’d be

> > nice if he could take it.

> >

> > >>Wow, we have had most every kind of rash with Sam and die off the

> worst

> > though was always with GSE in the early days, poop and we would burn

> his skin

> > on contact, poor little man was a mess - most deffo a yeast

mountain!

> >

> > Mandi x

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Well,

good luck with it. I’ve heard lots of good things about it. Sara

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Sent: 08 May 2007 17:49

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Autism-Biomedical-Europe

Subject:

Re: S boulardii - When is best time for dosing ?

Sara,

So I guess like your experience we might see something with S boulardii

here, when we come to try it. It's just that I wondered if there was

any hint of a reaction with PD with other kiddies, that I might be

missing when I give it to Norman. I haven't seen any so far, except

for a red band across his face from cheek to cheek (which sometimes high

ketosis can bring on, though on testing his levels have been fine).

Thanks for this.

emily x

> >

> > In a message dated 08/05/2007 09:27:45 GMT Standard Time,

> > Moroza-@ writes:

> >

> > God that’s really interesting, told me that she

> hasn’t had a patient

> > yet that didn’t have an allergic reaction to S.

Boulardii. So

> maybe they’re

> > all just having die off!

> >

> > >>Yep - but as far as I can see there is no real way to tell -

> > sigh.............unless you keep going of course and things get

> better.

> >

> > Its a very effective product for us (does what it says on the tin

> lol), I

> > used to pulse dose it when we first started second time out - 3 days

> on and a

> > few weeks off till I got more confident with it and with the

> encouragment of

> > another old timer who said - get that dose up to 6 caps & let it

strut

> its

> > stuff!! that I did (slowly) and it did too. I am convinced it helps

> with

> > Clostridia. We use 2-3 caps for maintenance depending on what else I

> decide to

> > fling in the pot that day (Primal Defense, Culturelle, CP1)

> >

> > We have no need of heavy handed yeast killers in this house anymore,

> > probiotics (including Sacc and Candex sort it for us now. That

> could be though

> > the extensive chelation we have done, we didn't stop for yeast -

there

> didn't

> > seem any point when it just started again when you did another round

> and we

> > went through it and out the other side at about round 50.

> >

> > Bacteria we do still need killers for but Sam is doing well on the

> Yasko

> > combo of herbs for gut bugs - Neem, Oregon Grape, BayLeaf,

Goldenseal,

> O2 Life

> > and we had a few days of aggression and short fuse behaviours when

we

> recently

> > added Oxydrene (they are his standard bacterial die off reactions).

I

> was

> > pleased, man that Oxydrene stuff is expensive and I would have been

> very

> > disappointed if I hadn't seen a reaction. I guess I now have the

> mindset, if there

> > is no die off reaction then I don't think its working lol

> >

> > In Tom’s case though, I’d never seen this

particular

> die-off before. Having

> > said that he doesn’t appear to have any allergies

either.

Hmmm,

> it’d be

> > nice if he could take it.

> >

> > >>Wow, we have had most every kind of rash with Sam and die off

the

> worst

> > though was always with GSE in the early days, poop and we would burn

> his skin

> > on contact, poor little man was a mess - most deffo a yeast

mountain!

> >

> > Mandi x

> >

>