Re: e.o hazards and concrets

[Guest guest]

>

> hi...

> I'm an aromatherapist and as we all know the e.o have a big influence on

people and when we are making a perfume there is a very large concentration of

e.o in the formula .

> How can we deal with that?without doing harm?

>

> and one more question ...what is the difference between using a concrete or to

turn it into an e.o ?in an alc' base ?

> and what is the best way to do it?

>

> thanks to anyone who can help

>

> shay

>

namaste shay!

i would suggest that e.o. perfumes are more like diffusing an essential oil

(i.e., a nebuliser or other air methods) you would not necessarily have to take

into consideration the same precautions you would use with a massage or poultice

formula.

i have found concretes best dissolved in alcohol for most purposes. depending on

the actual plant material, you may be able to dissolve them in other bases,

although, to be honest, i have never tried this.

much light for your aromatic journey!

einsof

[Guest guest]

>

>> hi...

>> I'm an aromatherapist and as we all know the e.o have a big influence on

people and when we are making a perfume there is a very large concentration of

e.o in the formula .

>> How can we deal with that?without doing harm?

>>

>> and one more question ...what is the difference between using a concrete or

to turn it into an e.o ?in an alc' base ?

>> and what is the best way to do it?

>>

Hi......

Just for the record....you cannot make a concrete into an EO...A

concrete is a solvent extraction of (usually) a fragrant material....

They are different creatures entirely, like a leopard and a tree...(I've

always liked that comparison)...

An E0 is usually a distilled botanical, or a botanical exudate, or, in

the case of many citrus " EO " , expressed from the peel...

A concrete is sort of the first step to making an absolute's result...

By diluting the concrete in alcohol (ethanol) you will separate out some

of the fragrance from the concrete...In fact the next step in standard

absolute manufacture after concrete, is to wash the concrete in

alcohol...for the same purpose....

You will lose some of the concrete fragance to the waxes, etc., that

separate out with the alcohol wash...That is, some of the fragrance

stays with the " glop " ....<G>....That is where, for example, floral waxes

come from...

Hope this helps....

--

W. Bourbonais

L'Hermite Aromatique

A.J.P. (GIA)

http://www.facebook.com/Le.Hermite

[Guest guest]

indeed, gary-- good point. i guess i took that for granted. *wink*

einsof

[Guest guest]

ein wrote:

> indeed, gary-- good point. i guess i took that for granted. *wink*

> einsof

>

Hi Ein......

I found it interesting that someone that calls themselves an

aromatherapist....not you, but the other poster, wanted to make EO out

of a concrete...

Unless there's a new kinda AT out there that isn't dealing with

fundamentals...

The thing is, they are gonna have problems communicating to the field,

be it AT or NP.....

I'm knocking anybody, but yer gonna have trouble understanding things if

you don't have the basic terminology and definitions down...

Things get way more interesting beyond EO, absolute, and concrete...

It's sorta like math...you learn to add, subtract, multiply and

divide....then ya get variables in algebra, then shapes and angles in

trig, and then calculus, where ya bend dimensions and morph

curves....<G>....

--

W. Bourbonais

L'Hermite Aromatique

A.J.P. (GIA)

http://www.facebook.com/Le.Hermite

[Guest guest]

> I'm knocking anybody, but yer gonna have trouble understanding things if

> you don't have the basic terminology and definitions down...

>

> Things get way more interesting beyond EO, absolute, and concrete...

ahhhh.. and then there is fuzzy math. *grin*

well, i think that there is much to be learned no matter where you start or

where one thinks one is. our greatest joys (a solid mass of delight, the

concrete; the trickster floral wax; or our common ground the e.o.) may be new

and elusive to some, regardless of how long they have been working with

" aromatherapy " or " natural perfumery " .

it does not help any of us the american government refuses to officially

recognise a definition for any of these things. why, one might fill a bottle

with water and call it " natural essence " ...

i should have been more succinct in my response, but i would say that learning

these things is part and parcel of the aromatic joy and journey.

maybe you can suggest some good reading material? myself, i would strive to

encourage anyone to embark on these (distillate) waters. our health, our

planet's health and certainly much bliss await everyone at every harbor- whether

they speak the native tongue or not.

with kind regards & much light,

einsof