more discussion about clear perfumes

[Guest guest]

This has been a dilemma since I first began making perfumes (not very long!) and

would like to run it by the group. How important is it to you to produce a

" clear " end product?

ly….I am not sure where I stand on this. I certainly appreciate the

esthetics of it presented in a clear glass bottle and I value this appeal…who

wants a cloudy product?, but….I am aware that the ingredients can deteriorate

with exposure to light.

How significant is this in terms of scent?

Is it just exposure to sunlight that can affect oils or also regular artificial

light?

I also notice that tinted glass perfume bottles are not really available on the

market?

I am interested in your thoughts as I am and still formulating my " best

practice " protocols….I am a longtime healthcare provider and think in these

terms.

Can't help it!

Thanks so much!!

Ragna

[Guest guest]

> How important is it to you to produce a " clear " end product?

On a scale from 1-10, minus 10.

[Guest guest]

Dabney votes for clear...it sparkles! (Hopefully your product will get used up

before it goes bad.) (or stored in a treasure chest!)

[Guest guest]

From the consumer end I would prefer a clear

product as I think it makes a better presentation.

Carol

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[Guest guest]

> I would prefer a clear

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> product as I think it makes a better presentation.

A clear natural perfume? You're joking right? I _love_ all the

fantastic colors natural ingredients make for.

[Guest guest]

I for one am refering to 'clear' vs 'cloudy'. This has nothing to do with COLOR.

Which I love.

Dabney

[Guest guest]

> This has been a dilemma since I first began making perfumes (not very long!)

and would like to run it by the group. How important is it to you to produce a

" clear " end product?

Personally, I think what distinguishes a natural perfume are the bits of

sediment on the bottom of a bottle. I find it to be aesthetically appealing. I

once made a tincture based perfume for my husband and included a small lavender

sprig in the bottle.

As for cloudiness, sometimes just allowing your perfume to " rest " after you've

added water will cause it to clear up. I've had that happen. I wouldn't filter

my perfumes too quickly as that will cause you to loose precious juice.

….I am aware that the ingredients can deteriorate with exposure to light.

> How significant is this in terms of scent?

The color of the bottle does not make any difference in terms of degradation, so

don't waste too much time looking for colored glass. There's a discussion about

this somewhere on this board, try searching " colored glass " or google it.

I have found that oils are subject to degradation during storage in your

cabinet, perfume organ, refrigerator, freezer . . . and not in the actual

perfume. Of course, the scent of your perfume may change over time, but I find

it often improves!

Maggie

[Guest guest]

I am speaking of clear vs cloudy not about color!

I also am not saying that perfume is not nice if it is cloudy,

just simply.....

I would prefer clear over cloudy, not without color!

Carol

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[Guest guest]

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> I am speaking of clear vs cloudy not about color!

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> I also am not saying that perfume is not nice if it is cloudy,

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> just simply.....

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> I would prefer clear over cloudy, not without color!

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> Carol

If I may add my unprofessional two cents - I love the jewel tones of essential

oil colors and if they can shine through clearly in all their radiance, then I

am for clear....but I wouldn't mind at all finding a sprig of lavender in a

perfume. This is different from the cloudy issue for me.

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[Guest guest]

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> This has been a dilemma since I first began making perfumes (not very long!)

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Much thanks to all who have posted so far on this topic. My perfumes may not be

clear but I am getting clearer myself on this issue!!

I will also peruse the files about this and apologize if this has been an issue

that is gone over frequently:)

Another question: How many have used the fullers clay method and how did it go?

I am leaning toward ths frosted glass bottle idea (thanks BB;)mostly because I

too prefer clear...but not sure if I have the..ahem..patience (stamina?)..and I

want to keep this process positive for myself. I can see myself agonizing over

just how " clear " I think it should be if presented in a clear bottle!

I will try all the tricks. water.. and letting it rest a good long time (how

long?)..and see where it goes. Still having fun!

Again...MUCH thanks!

Ragna

[Guest guest]

> I am leaning toward ths frosted glass bottle idea (thanks BB;)mostly because I

too prefer clear...but not sure if I have the..ahem..patience (stamina?)..and I

want to keep this process positive for myself. I can see myself agonizing over

just how " clear " I think it should be if presented in a clear bottle!

> Ragna

Of course I haven't seen the bottles you're considering, but I tend to associate

frosted bottles with skincare serums, lip glosses, etc. It might be something

to consider or not. And BTW, don't be surprised if your perfumes force you to

become a patient person who agonizes over every detail! I know they did it to

me, although I did start out as an architect . . .

Maggie

[Guest guest]

> Another question: How many have used the fullers clay method and how did it

go?

> Ragna

Is this a way to filter perfumes?

Maggie

[Guest guest]

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> > Another question: How many have used the fullers clay method and how did it

go?

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> > Ragna

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> Is this a way to filter perfumes?

> Maggie

Maggie and Ragna, It is the best method of filtering perfumes that I know. Some

folk is fussy about strong colour as it cab stain clothes. Colour can be removed

by using a charcaol filter but it also absorbs some of the odour leaving the

fragrance weaker.

If you haven't seen Boris demonstrate yet do have a peep.

Best Wishes,

Alec

Alec Lawless

Essentially Me

+44(0)1453 882525

www.essentially-me.co.uk

http://aleclawless.blogspot.com/

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> > > Another question: How many have used the fullers clay method and how did

it go?

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> > Is this a way to filter perfumes?

> > Maggie

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> Maggie and Ragna, It is the best method of filtering perfumes that I know.

Some folk is fussy about strong colour as it cab stain clothes. Colour can be

removed by using a charcaol filter but it also absorbs some of the odour leaving

the fragrance weaker.

> If you haven't seen Boris demonstrate yet do have a peep.

> Best Wishes,

> Alec

> Alec Lawless

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> Essentially Me

> +44(0)1453 882525

> www.essentially-me.co.uk

> http://aleclawless.blogspot.com/

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I imagine the bentonite works because the particles become electrically charged

when hydrated. I might start filtering my perfumes afterall!

Thank you so much for posting your very educational Professor Boris video. He's

kind of the " Borat " of the NP's world. Are they related?!

LOVE your lab.

Maggie

[Guest guest]

LOVE your lab.

Maggie

Thanks it took lots of work to get it to how it is now. we have a whole floor of

an early n Mill - I have jsut added a short film tour on my blog. There

is more to come from Boris. He's not related to Borat and I hope not quite so

unkind. Boris was a bit worried about what response he would get from what is

basically a worshipping country.

Weekend starts in one minute...I'm out of here.

Have a smelly break.

Alec

[Guest guest]

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> Some folk is fussy about strong colour as it cab stain clothes. Colour can be

removed by using a charcaol filter but it also absorbs some of the odour leaving

the fragrance weaker.

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Now I understand why many natural perfumes are so pale in color. Thanks Alec

for the lessons. Loved Boris and look forward to more..

Best,

Ragna

[Guest guest]

Regarding filtering perfume---I would like to filter my first large batch of

perfume that has been aging. Before using bentonite, I would like to filter

through paper filters and perhaps even charcoal to see what how clear the

perfume becomes, and if necessary then use the bentonite clay. I am wondering

what type of filters others use? Scientific lab based filters? There are

hundreds of different filtering paper compositions and sizes online, what works

well? What type of charcoal filter is best? And most importantly where would I

order the filters from? I've spent countless hours online trying to figure this

out and could use some guidance. Does anyone have an online filter supplier you

would recommend?

Thanks! Charna

[Guest guest]

> Regarding filtering perfume

Your best bet is a filtration flask with a Buchner funnel and a vacuum

pump, like this one on eBay:

http://bit.ly/11LQUO

[Guest guest]

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> LOVE your lab.

> Maggie

> Thanks it took lots of work to get it to how it is now. we have a whole floor

of an early n Mill - I have jsut added a short film tour on my blog.

There is more to come from Boris. He's not related to Borat and I hope not quite

so unkind. Boris was a bit worried about what response he would get from what is

basically a worshipping country.

> Weekend starts in one minute...I'm out of here.

> Have a smelly break.

> Alec

>

I can certainly appreciate the effort it took for you to renovate an old

industrial building. Is there a link to your blog?

Boris shouldn't worry as his kindness shines through despite the language

barrier! I have a running battle with some Swiss friends who insist that

British English is different from and far superior to American English. Hmmm .

.. .

Maggie

[Guest guest]

> I can certainly appreciate the effort it took for you to renovate an old

industrial building. Is there a link to your blog?

> Boris shouldn't worry as his kindness shines through despite the language

barrier! I have a running battle with some Swiss friends who insist that

British English is different from and far superior to American English. Hmmm .

.. .

Maggie

Maggie, go easy on the Swiss they haven't had a war for over 400 years sounds

like they could be looking for an angle.

Link to blog below.

Best Wishes,

Alec

Alec Lawless

Essentially Me

+44(0)1453 882525

www.essentially-me.co.uk

http://aleclawless.blogspot.com/

[Guest guest]

> Essentially Me

> +44(0)1453 882525

> www.essentially-me.co.uk

> http://aleclawless.blogspot.com/

>

Glad the day was a success! Your efforts make us all look better! (tried to

leave a comment...left it here)

Dabney

[Guest guest]

I have a running battle with some Swiss friends who insist that British English

is different from and far superior to American English. Hmmm . . .

hey Alec,

I tried the 'lets separate tincture by freezing' trick and all I got was a

uniform gel. Apparently the British freezers are superior to the American...(but

i bet the Swiss freezers are BOSS!)

Dabney

[Guest guest]

> hey Alec,

> I tried the 'lets separate tincture by freezing' trick and all I got was a

uniform gel. Apparently the British freezers are superior to the American...(but

i bet the Swiss freezers are BOSS!)

> Dabney

>

You are so not kidding Swiss freezers double as nuclear bunkers.

AArgh both my batteries have gone - laptop and moi.

Beddybies,

Alec

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Alec Lawless

Essentially Me

+44(0)1453 882525

www.essentially-me.co.uk

http://aleclawless.blogspot.com/