hello

[Guest guest]

Pingel writes:

<< Hello. I was wondering what people think about Bill 's 12 week

program? Also, what about 's, ABSolution book. I found a

cardio program from him on bodybuilding.com. He talks about 30 second jog

then 30 second sprint for 4 minutes on the first one in his 8 week HIIT

program. I've got day one done so far and boy were my lungs feeling it. I

have so many more questions, but I will leave it at that. God bless. >>

Hi ,

Both are extremely well crafted, illustrated and of great benefit--if you are

a rank beginner. I saw " AB " solutely nothing new or original in either book I

have Bills and almost bought 's because it is illustrated so well.

These guys are way smarter than the commercial c--p they put out. The 30 -30

secs interval training is primitive as compared to others used on this list.

PB's

Jerry Telle

Lakewood CO USA

[Guest guest]

And thanks to everyone for making us newbies feel so welcome and for being so generous with your support and advice - it is really appreciated.

sharon x

[Guest guest]

Lara, just install google toolbar, put cursor in your post and click

spell check button!

Do it quick :-) tee hee

>

> p.s pleese ignore my sperling I can't foind a spell checkr for

>yahoo gwoups !

>

[Guest guest]

Ditto this.... and just to add that I am so glad to have found you all,

this road was pretty deserted (for me) before now!

emily xx

>

> And thanks to everyone for making us newbies feel so welcome and for

being

> so generous with your support and advice - it is really appreciated.

>

> sharon x

>

[Guest guest]

> > Hello, I'm new to the group, I'm anxious to get to know all of

> you.

> > I have a question for ya... I've just started the a challenge

and

> > I'm having trouble fitting in the meals. I'm using lean

dynamax,

> so

> > I wake up take that, wait 30 minutes, workout, then wait an hour

> > before my first meal. After all that time is up it's hard to

get

> in

> > enough meals. Any suggestions? Also, do you wait an hour to

eat

> > after weight lifting or just cardio? Thanks for the help!!

>

welcome! I just started, it's been rough and I too was drained after

my cardio(everytime). I work out on an empty stomach, my cardios

that is, in the morning.Then I wait an hour to eat. On my strength

training days I wait three hours after my meal to train...I threw up

and felt dizzy the first time I did weights firsy thing with out

eating...You can check out my pics...shortystearns...good luck on

your journey

[Guest guest]

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[Guest guest]

My name is Carol and I am the owner/creator of a small

bath and body works company. I am also a certified

aromatherapist. I would like to learn more about the art of

creating natural perfumes--possibly to add to my business

and to make for myself. I am very new to this but am very

eager to learn.

Welcome Carol, I am a soap maker learning about making perfumes and join this

group just a few months ago and have already learned a lot from the wonderful

people on this list

Sharon

[Guest guest]

>

> My name is Carol and I am the owner/creator of a small

> bath and body works company. I am also a certified

> aromatherapist. I would like to learn more about the art of

> creating natural perfumes--possibly to add to my business

> and to make for myself. I am very new to this but am very

> eager to learn.

>

Welcome, Carol. I'm pretty new to the group myself and am so impressed with the

creativity, richness of information, and great spirit of all who post here. I'm

sure you'll love it.

[Guest guest]

> >

> > My name is Carol and I am the owner/creator of a small

> > bath and body works company. I am also a certified

> > aromatherapist. I would like to learn more about the art of

> > creating natural perfumes--possibly to add to my business

> > and to make for myself. I am very new to this but am very

> > eager to learn.

> >

> Welcome, Carol. I'm pretty new to the group myself and am so impressed with

the creativity, richness of information, and great spirit of all who post here.

I'm sure you'll love it.

>

>

>

It is lovely how this group swells and swirls like the tide

[Guest guest]

Carol Schroden wrote:

>

>

> My name is Carol and I am the owner/creator of a small

> bath and body works company. I am also a certified

> aromatherapist. I would like to learn more about the art of

> creating natural perfumes--possibly to add to my business

> and to make for myself. I am very new to this but am very

> eager to learn.

>

Welcome to the list Carol!

Many people here started out with aromatherapy and grew from there..it's

a big adventure.......

Ambrosia

http://www.perfumebynature.com.au

[Guest guest]

Thanks! I look forward to learning about natural perfumery from all of you

experts.

Carol

[Guest guest]

Hello all,

I'm pleased to be joining this group. I'm an academic who is interested in the

personal social and cultural experiences of scent.  I'v been making my own

simple scents, and natural beauty products using essential oils for years now

(just for my own use), and am interested in trying to improve my skills.  I'm

sure I will learn lots from the postings here, as well as from the amazing range

of information files that people have contributed.

Best wishes

Diane

[Guest guest]

>

> Hello all,

> I'm pleased to be joining this group. I'm an academic who is interested in the

personal social and cultural experiences of scent.  I'v been making my own

simple scents, and natural beauty products using essential oils for years now

(just for my own use), and am interested in trying to improve my skills.  I'm

sure I will learn lots from the postings here, as well as from the amazing range

of information files that people have contributed.

>

> Best wishes

> Diane

>

>

>

Howdy Diane,

welcome! i got to this group too thanks to my natural beauty products i was

making for myself, family and friends and was scenting them with essential oils

always, wanted to improve my knowledge,

but since i got rolling on the natural perfume i haven't made a batch of any

beauty products, i just get started with a perfume creation and can't stop, next

thing you know, no time left for whatever cream i was going to make...

social experience of scent? your' lucky. the only social experience i get from

it is this group. sometimes i feel rather lonely without having someone to talk

about my progress... on the other hand, i'm a little too shy and feel forever

inexperianced to start conversations with strangers about the subject...

anyway, welcome to the group

-Hemla

[Guest guest]

Hi Diane and , would love to hear from the two of you more about your

understanding of psychological, social and cultural aspects of fragrance. We

tend to think only of what 'pleases us' but it certainly goes deeper than that.

http://www.sagescript.com

microbiology, distillates, botanical skin care

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi Diane and , would love to hear from the two of you more about your

understanding of psychological, social and cultural aspects of fragrance. We

tend to think only of what 'pleases us' but it certainly goes deeper than that.

>

> http://www.sagescript.com

> microbiology, distillates, botanical skin care

,

Thanks for your interest. I've only just begun my research but here are a few

things I've been realizing. When people chose their scents they are in some way,

either consciously or unconsciously, dealing with their identity. They are

either creating, expressing, or longing for/fantasizing themselves to be a

certain person, with certain characteristics, interests, etc. Perfume is a

silent language, a silent mode of communicating that merges with the body to

send its message through the air. Jasmine " says " something different from

" mint " , for instance. Jasmine with its deep, floral scent, sometimes having the

aroma of the decaying petals adding its lushness (as I've read), is different

from the fresh, clean scent of mint. Jasmine for instance, could be chosen for

an eroticism that speaks of endings and mortality; mint for vitality and a call

to life. One would have to question the person choosing.

Also, perfume is capable of almost instantaneously transforming consciousness.

It is even superior to vision on this account, especially as concerns memory.

The scent of a lost loved one will bring them back with more immediacy, and a

sooner quickness to tears, than a picture will. The ancients, in using scent in

their sacred rites, knew how powerful it was in bringing them closer to

spiritual states of being.

The sense of smell is the only sense that is directly connected to the

environment; all other senses pass through the thalamus; but not the sense of

smell. Its neurons are in the nasal passages and go directly to the limbic

system, which is the primitive part of the brain having to do with emotion and

sex. One can be affected by a scent before one even knows it. Hence its power to

cross boundaries without the person's will. And this is another hallmark of

scent - its power to cross boundaries, for good or evil. Napoleon hated the

smell of musk (although he was wild about cologne and had one that he used every

day on his neck and shoulders and even took bottles of to the island where he

was exiled.). phine loved it. When he got rid of her because she could not

give him and heir, she doused their living quarters with it!!

Well, I'm going on and on. I'll stop here. I hope this was interesting for some

and added at least a bit of something new.

[Guest guest]

By experience with

> people, well, all I had was with the owners, as I'm not in retail. The

> tourists and Beach residents are wonderful, from my perspective, which is

> the feedback from the store owners (and hotel owners.)

Hi Anya,

I have been curious about how others tend to sell their products to

stores/boutiques.

Do you rent a space in the store and check in to replenish stock?

Do you sell your products to the boutiques and let them buy more when they are

ready?

I would imagine you have a standard contract in place?

Thanks!!

~Amy

[Guest guest]

>

> >

> Howdy Diane,

> welcome! i got to this group too thanks to my natural beauty products i was

making for myself, family and friends and was scenting them with essential oils

always, wanted to improve my knowledge,

> but since i got rolling on the natural perfume i haven't made a batch of any

beauty products, i just get started with a perfume creation and can't stop, next

thing you know, no time left for whatever cream i was going to make...

>

> social experience of scent? your' lucky. the only social experience i get from

it is this group. sometimes i feel rather lonely without having someone to talk

about my progress... on the other hand, i'm a little too shy and feel forever

inexperianced to start conversations with strangers about the subject...

>

> anyway, welcome to the group

> -Hemla

Thanks Hemla, I'm already getting the sense that this group is a real community;

I agree there's often not much opportunity otherwise to chat to people about

scent experiences. I'm very much looking forward to experimenting with some

more complex fragrances, and I suspect that, like you, I am already becoming

hooked on this!

Diane

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Diane,

>

> Great to have you! I'm a clinical psychologist, who in addition to being very

interested in making perfume, is also interested in the psychological and

cultural aspects of fragrance. Very happy to have you aboard. Hope to be sharing

some of our explorations on all fromts....

>

>

>

Thanks ; I'm really interested to learn about your background; I feel

psychology (like a range of other approaches) has lots to offer an understanding

of our experiences of scent and odour. Looking forward to future chats with you

and the other group members!

Diane

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi Diane and , would love to hear from the two of you more about your

understanding of psychological, social and cultural aspects of fragrance. We

tend to think only of what 'pleases us' but it certainly goes deeper than that.

>

> http://www.sagescript.com

> microbiology, distillates, botanical skin care

>

Hi

From a psychological perspective, I think the experience of smell is so

interesting because it is a sense which is grounded in our physical

relationships to the environment, but at the same time is ephemeral and

difficult to pin down and describe or categorise. This is partly why odour has

evoked such contradictory responses through the ages; on the one hand being

associated with spiritual realms (e.g. the use of incense, or the legends about

the intense fragrances that naturally exuded from the corpses of saints), and on

the other hand being considered as evidence of all too earthly sensuality and

decadence (e.g. the growing taboo on using animal scents such as musk in the

18th century).

So I think social and cultural patterns provide a framework within which we

experience odour, But I agree with that our preference for different

scents reveal aspects of our individual and personal identity. Alain Corbin (in

his book " The foul and the fragrant " ) suggests that a concern with individual

body odour, and the desire to change or enhance individual odour with

fragrances, very much reflects the rise of a modern sensibility about the self -

a greater concern with the individual (compared with a more collective sense of

identity in the past). I'm particularly interested in ways in which our

experiences of scent map onto different states of awareness, and how sensory

preferences like smell may reveal something about a person's energetic states.

I'm trained in Chinese medicine and this energetic system offers an interesting

account of how sensory preferences may correspond to underlying states of

imbalance. For instance, a patient with excessive Damp (too little Yang energy)

may crave hot spicy food, as this will move the Damp and create Yang. I'm sure

it's the case that odour preference may also reveal something about these

energetic states. We know from aromatherapy of course that essential oils can

change mood states and I guess this is a similar thing. In Chinese medicine,

it's assumed that one can use the senses to beneficially alter one's energy, as

such it seems like more evidence that fragrance can be health-promoting.

Just some of my current (rather uncoordinated!) thoughts on the topic...

Diane

[Guest guest]

> I'm particularly interested in ways in which our experiences of scent

map onto different states of awareness, and how sensory preferences

like smell may reveal something about a person's energetic states. I'm

trained in Chinese medicine and this energetic system offers an

interesting account of how sensory preferences may correspond to

underlying states of imbalance. For instance, a patient with excessive

Damp (too little Yang energy) may crave hot spicy food, as this will

move the Damp and create Yang. I'm sure it's the case that odour

preference may also reveal something about these energetic states.<

Hmmmm...thank you for prompting me to look closer in that direction!

I studied Chinese meedicine too...but hadn't actually looked at the

connections there yet.

I use a lot of aromatherapy and herbalism knowledge in the perfumes I

make, and work with colour correlations in the packaging and also in

desinging fragrances for people individually...

But i hadn't thought of incorporating the TCM aspect!

I've been craving grapefruit in scents for a while now...and have

chronic damp problems, esp now in winter...(Grapefruit being bitter is

used to counteract damp in chinese medicine)

Hmmm...I think I'm going to sit down and add TCM to the color and

energy coding system i use for oils in my workshop.....

Will keep you posted!

Ambrosia

http://www.perfumebynature.com.au

[Guest guest]

>

>

> >

> > Diane,

> >

> > Great to have you! I'm a clinical psychologist, who in addition to being

very interested in making perfume, is also interested in the psychological and

cultural aspects of fragrance.

> >

> >

I'm really interested to learn about your background; I feel psychology (like a

range of other approaches) has lots to offer an understanding of our experiences

of scent and odour.

>

> Diane

Hi Diane and ,

I am also Clinical Psychologist and Special Education Teacher. My classroom is

my testing ground. Each student seems to perform differently with different

scents and has different preferences.

We start school in Los Angeles in September. My last group of students seemed to

respond best with basil, peppermint or citrus scents. Not one did well with

lavender. The year before several students responded well to lavender. I'm

curious to know what this new group brings.

My male adult ADHD clients in private practice seem to respond to either

gourmand or citrus scents reacting in an open, vulnerable way and creating

transformation in their lives. I have found with both male and female a scent

with a vanilla base encourages a hypnotic trance session rapidly.

Obviously, these are just my own observations.

Caren

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi Diane and ,

>

> I am also Clinical Psychologist and Special Education Teacher. My classroom is

my testing ground. Each student seems to perform differently with different

scents and has different preferences.

>

> We start school in Los Angeles in September. My last group of students seemed

to respond best with basil, peppermint or citrus scents. Not one did well with

lavender. The year before several students responded well to lavender. I'm

curious to know what this new group brings.

>

> My male adult ADHD clients in private practice seem to respond to either

gourmand or citrus scents reacting in an open, vulnerable way and creating

transformation in their lives. I have found with both male and female a scent

with a vanilla base encourages a hypnotic trance session rapidly.

>

> Obviously, these are just my own observations.

> Caren

Caren,

What you write is so fascinating! What age group do you work with? The response

to vanilla makes perfect sense to me - I respond in the same way!! Jasmine also

does this to me - puts me in a hypnotic rapture.

One of my interests in perfume is the transformations that it makes possible in

emotion, identity (as I already mentioned in another post), awareness, and the

body. There are so many states of consciousness perfume creates, it would seem,

from reading I've done: spiritual, erotic, hypnotic (as you mention), ecstatic,

vitalizing, enlivening and awakening, narcotizing, and all these states have

their physical, bodilly dimensions as well as unconscious components. There is a

whole unexplored territory here for psychology. Vast and uncharted. What you are

doing is so important. I'm glad you mentioned it. I'd love to know more about

the kinds of changes you students make based on the scents you use with them.

[Guest guest]

> One of my interests in perfume is the transformations that it makes possible

in emotion, identity (as I already mentioned in another post), awareness, and

the body. There are so many states of consciousness perfume creates, it would

seem, from reading I've done: spiritual, erotic, hypnotic (as you mention),

ecstatic, vitalizing, enlivening and awakening, narcotizing, and all these

states have their physical, bodilly dimensions as well as unconscious

components. There is a whole unexplored territory here for psychology. Vast and

uncharted. What you are doing is so important. I'm glad you mentioned it. I'd

love to know more about the kinds of changes you students make based on the

scents you use with them.

>

>

Hi ,

I work with middle school learning disabled, autistic and gang students ages

11-14. Test score increases are just one change. I'm never sure which variable

creates the most transformation: scent, vimala handwriting, a caring

environment, individualized instruction, boundary setting, etc.

Three years ago I studied high schools in Nagoya, Japan. One classroom was

scented with incense. A lot of classrooms used a citrus smell. A music school

classroom smell reminded me of an old library, cherry cigars or a combination of

the two. One room smelled like matcha (powdered green tea).

There are lots of sites with articles on scents and learning.

http://www.enviroscent.com/research.php

Caren

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi ,

> I work with middle school learning disabled, autistic and gang students ages

11-14. Test score increases are just one change. I'm never sure which variable

creates the most transformation: scent, vimala handwriting, a caring

environment, individualized instruction, boundary setting, etc.

>

> Three years ago I studied high schools in Nagoya, Japan. One classroom was

scented with incense. A lot of classrooms used a citrus smell. A music school

classroom smell reminded me of an old library, cherry cigars or a combination of

the two. One room smelled like matcha (powdered green tea).

>

> There are lots of sites with articles on scents and learning.

> http://www.enviroscent.com/research.php

>

> Caren

Caren,

Thanks for the link and really happy to have it.

That's quite a difficult population you work with on a daily basis; I'm amazed

by the inclusion of gang students....you have quite a range in your skills.

By the way, my oldest son spent a semester studying abroad in Tokyo and loved

it. It is very interesting to me that their classrooms have citrus and incense

scents. A sensitivity that we do not have here.

[Guest guest]

But i hadn't thought of incorporating the TCM aspect!

> I've been craving grapefruit in scents for a while now...and have

> chronic damp problems, esp now in winter...(Grapefruit being bitter is

> used to counteract damp in chinese medicine)

> Hmmm...I think I'm going to sit down and add TCM to the color and

> energy coding system i use for oils in my workshop.....

Hi Ambrosia

yes, let me know how you get on; it's really interesting to hear about your

Grapefruit scent craving...I think we need a more synaesthetic model of the

senses in the West, where individual patterns in smell, taste, colour

appreciation etc are assumed to map onto each other. Chinese medicine has no

difficulty with explaining such correspondences but in the West we lack a

well-developed framework for this.

Diane