Re: melatonin

February 3, 2002

,

You should take pregnenelone to balance DHEA (25mg preg/50mg DHEA), not

melatonin. Melatonin regulates the circadian rythm & is good for people

who have trouble sleeping soundly, or for jet lag.

In order to feel refreshed after a night's sleep, it is necessary that

the predominant frequency of the brain go down to an area between .5-1

Hz. That is between one half cycle & one cycle. This usually takes place

in the first 2 hours of sleep. That frequency triggers the release of

growth hormone, and it is the healing processes from the hGH that makes

one feel refreshed. No deep sleep, no refreshment.

Stress, for instance, will prevent the manufacture of melatonin. So will

being ill, getting drunk, high or many other forms of stress by excess.

So, people with heavy daily stress loads don't sleep well, don't get

refreshed, and eventually break down -- unless they take melatonin or

one of its precursors. (Tryptophan is on sale on the net. Do a search on

the words tryptophan+veterinary. It is the same USP pure stuff they put

in supplements for humans. Tryptophan is allowed to be included in other

products for humans. Only pure amino is illegal)

Serotonin is the precursor of melatonin, so if someone has symptoms of

melatonin deficiency, it is always a good idea to look for serotonin

deficiency symptoms also. Many of the popular tranquilizers &

antidepressants today are serotonin reuptake inhibitors.... which are

only necessary if you have a deficiency. The public had learned this and

sales of the amino acid precursor tryptophan were steadily rising.

Tryptophan was banned on trumped up charges because it makes

tranquilizers unnecessary for most people.

I find melatonin handy for nights when I want to insure a good night's

sleep. There are good reasons for taking a small amount regularly. For

instance, it is the only antioxidant that protects the cell walls in

brain neurons. A small regular dose helps keep up hGH levels by insuring

it is released every night.

There are some really good books on melatonin. One by the researcher who

made it famous. It is so powerful, and there is so much to know about

it, anyone curious about it should read a book on the subject. At least

half the book to get an idea.

jim

Claggett wrote:

>

> Jim, all, So what has been your experience with melatonin? Any tips? I had

> read somewhere that if you take DHEA you should take it to balance out

> (ha,more balancing). I was going to ask my doc about it. If you'd like to

> tell me about your experience with these, how it affected your sleep, etc,

> I'm all ears!

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February 3, 2002

Yes, the DHEA product my doc has me on has 25 mg pregnenolone and also 25 mg

DHEA I think. It takes 2 most of the month and 3 the second half of the

month to get me even a little tired and perky. I assume I have binding

going on, as all my doses of thyroid and adrenal stuff are unusually high.

I didn't realize they balance, so now I see the reason. I just figured it

was a bonus. (ok, don't have time to read everything, some I'm dumb on some

stuff)

Hmmm... what you're saying about the need for that deep sleep in the early

cycles/first 2 hours fits very well with what I've been thinking. I don't

know if you caught it, but I have several generations back of direct lineage

messed up ladies, all with thyroid and adrenal problems apparently, who then

developed " blackouts " around age 65. The neurologist hinted to my grandma,

who has had them for a number of years now as she is 72-ish, that it was

because her cortisol levels stay high at night. Since this seems a definite

trend, and since I know I'm in line for it, though still a youthful 25, I do

take it VERY seriously. Hadn't thought to look for books on melatonin.

Will check the library or maybe read a little. Yes, that would be a good

idea. I had been reluctant because I thought maybe it wasn't a good idea

(never know where I get my ideas), but now I'm thinking it might actually be

an important part of getting me balanced.

I upped my DHEA and now am starting to feel more tired in the evenings, but

even then it only lasts about 1-1 1/2 hours. Is this normal? Do normal

people feel tired and then it passes? Or do normal people get tired and

stay tired? Somehow I assume that it is not normal, but I have no frame of

reference, never having been normal.

I'm rambling (deleted it). My brain hasn't been good lately. If you can

just tell me how long normal people stay tired, that will be perfect.

Thanks,

February 3, 2002

I am curious - What adrenal and thyroid hormones are you taking?

Thanks in advance!

Carol

At 09:48 PM 02/03/2002 -0500, you wrote:

>Yes, the DHEA product my doc has me on has 25 mg pregnenolone and also 25 mg

>DHEA I think. It takes 2 most of the month and 3 the second half of the

>month to get me even a little tired and perky. I assume I have binding

>going on, as all my doses of thyroid and adrenal stuff are unusually high.

>I didn't realize they balance, so now I see the reason. I just figured it

>was a bonus. (ok, don't have time to read everything, some I'm dumb on some

>stuff)

>

>Hmmm... what you're saying about the need for that deep sleep in the early

>cycles/first 2 hours fits very well with what I've been thinking. I don't

>know if you caught it, but I have several generations back of direct lineage

>messed up ladies, all with thyroid and adrenal problems apparently, who then

>developed " blackouts " around age 65. The neurologist hinted to my grandma,

>who has had them for a number of years now as she is 72-ish, that it was

>because her cortisol levels stay high at night. Since this seems a definite

>trend, and since I know I'm in line for it, though still a youthful 25, I do

>take it VERY seriously. Hadn't thought to look for books on melatonin.

>Will check the library or maybe read a little. Yes, that would be a good

>idea. I had been reluctant because I thought maybe it wasn't a good idea

>(never know where I get my ideas), but now I'm thinking it might actually be

>an important part of getting me balanced.

>

>I upped my DHEA and now am starting to feel more tired in the evenings, but

>even then it only lasts about 1-1 1/2 hours. Is this normal? Do normal

>people feel tired and then it passes? Or do normal people get tired and

>stay tired? Somehow I assume that it is not normal, but I have no frame of

>reference, never having been normal.

>

>I'm rambling (deleted it). My brain hasn't been good lately. If you can

>just tell me how long normal people stay tired, that will be perfect.

>

>Thanks,

>

>OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and

>other alternative self-help subjects.

>

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February 4, 2002

Carol,

I used to think in those terms, had CFS, fibro, etc. Now, I believe

energy comes from exercise, not the other way around. Supported by

cleansing & nutrition. I eat more live food now, including raw fish

several times a week. Fresh air & sunshine are powerful hormones. ;-)

jim

Carol wrote:

>

> I am curious - What adrenal and thyroid hormones are you taking?

>

> Thanks in advance!

> Carol

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February 4, 2002

I'm taking certain things for thyroid and adrenals per my doctor because

they are low. I discuss all this on my site, as there are various ways to

test, various treatments available, etc.

http://www.angelfire.com/poetry/search4health

RE: melatonin

I am curious - What adrenal and thyroid hormones are you taking?

Thanks in advance!

Carol

At 09:48 PM 02/03/2002 -0500, you wrote:

>Yes, the DHEA product my doc has me on has 25 mg pregnenolone and also 25

mg

>DHEA I think. It takes 2 most of the month and 3 the second half of the

>month to get me even a little tired and perky. I assume I have binding

>going on, as all my doses of thyroid and adrenal stuff are unusually high.

>I didn't realize they balance, so now I see the reason. I just figured it

>was a bonus. (ok, don't have time to read everything, some I'm dumb on

some

>stuff)

>

>Hmmm... what you're saying about the need for that deep sleep in the early

>cycles/first 2 hours fits very well with what I've been thinking. I don't

>know if you caught it, but I have several generations back of direct

lineage

>messed up ladies, all with thyroid and adrenal problems apparently, who

then

>developed " blackouts " around age 65. The neurologist hinted to my grandma,

>who has had them for a number of years now as she is 72-ish, that it was

>because her cortisol levels stay high at night. Since this seems a

definite

>trend, and since I know I'm in line for it, though still a youthful 25, I

do

>take it VERY seriously. Hadn't thought to look for books on melatonin.

>Will check the library or maybe read a little. Yes, that would be a good

>idea. I had been reluctant because I thought maybe it wasn't a good idea

>(never know where I get my ideas), but now I'm thinking it might actually

be

>an important part of getting me balanced.

>

>I upped my DHEA and now am starting to feel more tired in the evenings, but

>even then it only lasts about 1-1 1/2 hours. Is this normal? Do normal

>people feel tired and then it passes? Or do normal people get tired and

>stay tired? Somehow I assume that it is not normal, but I have no frame of

>reference, never having been normal.

>

>I'm rambling (deleted it). My brain hasn't been good lately. If you can

>just tell me how long normal people stay tired, that will be perfect.

>

>Thanks,

>

>OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and

>other alternative self-help subjects.

>

>THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE!

>

>This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here

>are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing

>information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at

>your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the

>ability to take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list

>you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any

>ideas found here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are

>a researcher or health care provider.

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February 4, 2002

Thanks. I have started to read through it.

Carol

At 12:31 PM 02/04/2002 -0500, you wrote:

>I'm taking certain things for thyroid and adrenals per my doctor because

>they are low. I discuss all this on my site, as there are various ways to

>test, various treatments available, etc.

>http://www.angelfire.com/poetry/search4health

>

March 29, 2007

Where can you buy Melatonin from? I did a qiuck search on

Nutricentre ,Metabollic and mandi mart but couldn't see it .

Thanks Sharon xx

>

> In a message dated 29/03/2007 11:11:04 GMT Standard Time,

> bobsallyeva@... writes:

>

> Natasa I'm so stupid -- is Vit K the same as melatonin? I know I

could

> look it up. I'm also lazy

>

> >>Nope, different things (but both given on the High Dose Vit K

protocol)

>

> Mandi x

>

March 29, 2007

We use

it here but I had no recommendation to use it. We’ve not had any problems

but I’ve since seen that Kirkman do it and I’ll probably buy that

next time. Sara

Melatonin

My son now gets melatonin to help him sleep, which has

been reasonably

successful. I recently gave one of his capsules to my Mum, who has CFS,

and 3mg almost knocked her out. She mentioned this to her GP, as she has

great difficulty getting off to sleep at night, then sleeps all day, and

he refused to prescribe it, saying it was not licensed in this country

and that it could destroy her kidneys for all she knew! My Mum tried to

argue that her 8 year old grandson was prescribed it by his consultant

but he was having none of it. She has looked online for some to buy and

has come across some biovea capsules and is wondering if they are a good

brand as this GP has un-nerved her by telling her it could be dangerous.

It's probably more to do with his budget than anything else, I told her

he would happily prescribe her drugs that would make her feel ten times

worse with plenty of side-effects. I have given my brother the melatonin

cream from springboard health to use on his kids with good results, but

the biovea tablets are much, much cheaper. Has anyone used this brand

before?

Thank you,

Diane

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March 29, 2007

Forgot to

say that paediatricians regularly prescribe melatonin for kids with autism.