Guest guest Posted December 28, 2001 Report Share Posted December 28, 2001 Well, it took a strange twist, the talk I was having with a friend. An Attorney, an individual with an advanced degree, saying that soy products contain considerable amounts of Estrogen. Of course, being a vegetarian, I've just gobbled up soy year after year, even make milk with it; love soy. You know, when he said that no man over 50 should use soy products, causes Prostate problems, I was taken back. I've been using it as a rich source of protein for years. My own sister recently confirmed that she takes soy, primarily, for the estrogen. So I thought I'd ask my list family if they know [1] is soy really a source of estrogen and [2] will it cause Prostate problems to get worse if I continue to use it? I mean, why not; I trust you? You know, I'm sure I can handle leaving off soy but I really want to know if it's what's causing these Prostate problems _and_, if we drop it off, can our condition be reversed in any degree. If you know, I'd love to hear from you. Hey, Happy New Year to all. Obie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2001 Report Share Posted December 28, 2001 .. Here is a good site from New Zealand on the dangers of soy. http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/ Here is the first page of a google search. http://www.google.com/search?q=dangers+of+soy & btnG=Google+Search Anything by Enig of the Price-Pottinger Foundation is worth reading in my opinion. Also go to www.mercola.com and search " soy " or dangers of soy. Have fun researching. Kallie Kallie RN, (Ret.) EFT-CC Optimal Life Center To learn many ways to improve your health, visit my Web Site http://www.4optimallife.com free computer lessons and great computer ebooks: http://newbieclub.com/home/pc_easylearning Soy Products Well, it took a strange twist, the talk I was having with a friend. An Attorney, an individual with an advanced degree, saying that soy products contain considerable amounts of Estrogen. Of course, being a vegetarian, I've just gobbled up soy year after year, even make milk with it; love soy. You know, when he said that no man over 50 should use soy products, causes Prostate problems, I was taken back. snip>>>>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2001 Report Share Posted December 29, 2001 Here is another take on soy. The site is geared towards bodybuilders and nutrition supplementation. http://www.proteinfactory.com/soyprotein.htm Hormonal Studies 1)A study found that soy protein isolate (daidzein) may have a gender specific normalizing effect on sex-hormone prduction. Male lab animals experienced greater testosterone and growth-hormone excretion as well as muscle growth " This contradicts the study that found that genestein decreased testosterone serum. 2)Another study found that soy may be actually antiestrogenic. . They may also act as antiestrogens by competing for the binding sites of estrogen receptors or the active site of the estrogen biosynthesizing and metabolizing enzymes, such as aromatase and estrogen-specific 17 beta-hydroxysteroid oxidoreductase (type 1). 3)Probably the best research study contracting the one used by the author of " The bad protein " is this. The phytoestrogens are only found in raw soy products. Not soy protein isolates, which are used as protein supplements for bodybuilders. " There are very little data on effects of phytoestrogens in males. Estrogenic effects in wildlife have been described but the evidence for the role of phytoestrogens is indirect and seen under conditions of excessive exposure. " And what is most interesting about this study is that it was conducted by one of the same researchers at the same univeristy as the study that found genistein lowered testoserone serum levels. This researcher concluded that even though he found genestein has estrogenic effects, it really cant be concluded because of the above statement in his other reasearch findings. Hence, he found soy to be estrogenic, but it really cant be " hard " evidence because there is not enough proof and it involves ridiculous conditions. See what I mean by two sides to every story.. Positive Benefits of soy 1) The amino acid profile of soy is excellent. If you don't know by now the Glutamic Acid level is higher than whey. Why? Mainly because it is a plant protein and not dairy. 2) Soy has been proven to lower heart disease risks and cancer. Now there are about a million studies on this statement. I not going to quote any. 3) Soy protein actually improves kidney function. 4) When soy was combined with a carbohydrate in comparison with casein. Lower bodyfat gains were observed. hl >Message: 16 > Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 21:27:11 -0600 > >Subject: Soy Products > >Well, it took a strange twist, the talk I was having with a friend. An Attorney, an individual with an advanced degree, saying that soy products >contain considerable amounts of Estrogen. Of course, being a vegetarian, I've just gobbled up soy year after year, even make milk with it; love >soy. You know, when he said that no man over 50 should use soy products, causes Prostate problems, I was taken back. I've been using it as >a rich source of protein for years. My own sister recently confirmed that she takes soy, primarily, for the estrogen. So I thought I'd ask my list >family if they know [1] is soy really a source of estrogen and [2] will it cause Prostate problems to get worse if I continue to use it? I mean, >why not; I trust you? You know, I'm sure I can handle leaving off soy but I really want to know if it's what's causing these Prostate problems >and, if we drop it off, can our condition be reversed in any degree. If you know, I'd love to hear from you. Hey, Happy New Year to all. Obie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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