Re: Re: Kulish's book Conquering Pain

December 8, 2001

I won't go to lecture on this. Essentially, what you quote reflect only the

classical approach, while the entire issue lies in Quantum Mechanics...

Kulish's explanation try to deliver the sense of the quantum mechanics

phenomena into lay people realms. Tough, and can get inaccurate, but still

worth the effort to understand and expand your knowledge, and not to accept

what is, blatantly, over - simplistic, pseudo-naturalistic approach, made

obsolete about a century ago.

I thought just like you some 3 years ago, but then I realized there are

things I need to learn all over again to understand. And, BTW - if an

electron spins one way, it creates one magnetic field, and if it spins the

other way, it creates the opposite field - the so called Electro-static

charge has something to do with it, but not much - in Quantum Mechanics,

Electro-static is an oxymoron... NOTHING is static...

About the claim that there is no proof - OH, man, SO MUCH PROOF EXIST - just

go and read Albert Roy 's researches and books, or Dr. Philpot's, The

fact that some person or two claim there is no such thing, will not cause it

to go away.

Try to magnetize some fluids - juices, even wine, once with positive poles

and once with negative poles. See if there is no difference...

C'mon - go and do that yourself - don't just take someone's word for it!

BTW - I did not suggest you try the different effect of magnetic poles on

yourself - given that there is even a remote chance of Kulish being right,

you are truly playing with fire, and may cause severe damage to yourself.

Would you be willing to do so? In my work. I meet too many people who were

hurt, some severely, from using the wrong polarity. However, you do not

have to believe me - after all, I may want to defend my opinion, and not

care about anyone's health or well being...

Ronen.

Re: Kulish's book " Conquering Pain "

> Ronen - " There are two significant differences between magnetic poles and

charges. The first is that while magnetic moment, a measure of a magnetizing

force exerted by a magnetized body or electric current, depends on the

movement of the charge, a charge is a fundamental attribute of matter. The

second difference is that positive and negative charges can exist

separately, but magnetic north and south poles are dependent upon each

other. This is the reason why a magnetic moment is referred to as a magnetic

dipole.

> Another difference between permanent magnets and electromagnets is in

their field lines. The magnetic field line is a closed loop that passes

through the north and South Pole, along with going completely though the

material. The electric field begins or ends on a charge. So, it can be

thought of as that most material is " transparent " to magnetic fields, but

" opaque " to electric fields. So, to put their differences in " simple

English, " electricity and magnetism are not the same quantities and the same

terms can not be used to define things that appear to have similar

elements. "

>

> Lifted that from

http://www.equinemagnetic.com/bioflex-equinemagnetic-biostory.htm, courtesy

of Ted Zablotsky, the rival vendor/researcher pilloried by Kulish in

the article quoted previously. More could be added but that will do re

difference between electric charge and magnetic charge (the latter a

convenient fiction). BTW I have no vested interest in any magnetic therapy

business, and had not heard of either individual before today. You say his

language is designed to reach a lay audience. Maybe so, but making a string

of factually incorrect statements does not really clarify a subject. You've

done engineering - well you should know just where his statements err. What

concerned me was reading list mailings where one member solemnly warned

another to avoid sleeping on magnetic pads at all costs, based on his

(Kulish) good/bad pole ideas. Anyone perusing the magnetic therapy scene

like I have been doing is sooner or later aware of the rival schools of

thought about such things that tends to religious zeal. If Kulish's products

happen to work for people, well-and-good, and vice versa for such rivals as

Zablotsky. Just to show you I'm not biased, here are some other interesting

quotes juxtaposed:

>

> " Some members of the medical community will say that using the wrong

magnet causes acceleration of cancerous and microbial growths. This is

simply not true and is not even suggested by the medical literature.

However, it is important enough to digress for a brief explanation of the

facts.

>

> The field generated by an electric source, specifically one from

alternating power, produces a field composed of a magnetic field, as well as

a separate electric field. A permanent magnet produces no such electric

field. An alternating electric field (AC) is also different from a field

produced by direct current (DC) power. It is the nature of this alternating

electric field that has caused so much concern because of research that has

demonstrated the negative effects of electric fields, especially on the

cellular level. It is well described that alternating, or pulsating,

electric fields are capable of disrupting the cell wall, interfering with

the DNA replication process as well as influencing other negative effects.

The magnetic component, however, has never been shown to have any negative

effects.

> " from http://www.bioflexmagnets.com/Usage_FAQ.html, - Zablotsky.

>

> " Edmund Chao, PhD, professor of orthopaedic surgery at s Hopkins

University, who is not affiliated with the study, tells WebMD, " Magnets such

as these generate very weak, static [or non-moving] fields. There is no

evidence that static fields have any impact on the body, " though pulsed, or

moving, fields do have an impact. " from

http://content.health.msn.com/content/article/1728.55514

>

> Take your pick!

>

> regards, Nolan kenol1@...

>

> ----------- Original Message -------------

>

> Why, instead of making blatant declarations, won't you go and actually

learn

> the subject? High - School, and even college education, or engineering

> education (which I happen to have) are definitely insufficient to

thoroughly

> understand the stuff.

>

> The Biomagnetics labs led by Mr. Kulish operate for more than 20 years,

and

> collaborate with established and reputed research centers all around the

> world. I think they would not do that if he did not have something to

show

> for his work. You may consider that some text were written with the lay

> person in mind, and do sin in generalities, however, one WOULD want to be

> understood...

>

> And BTW - what IS the difference between electrical charge and magnetic

> " charge " ?

>

> Please explain, simply, as to gauge YOUR understanding of the issue...

>

> Ronen.

>

December 8, 2001

Oh, and Magnetizer's magnets are not those " generally very weak " magnets.

They are very strong. Again, you'll have to try.

I can show you several experiences that show just how influential they are.