Amnesty you ask me a question and my thoughts about how autistic learns

May 5, 2009

Amnesty, good luck on reading this post; i would pollish this up if I spend a

week on it ok; and I started off by letting you know that I'll take 5 days on

it; but then after I told you this; I decided just go for it; but I feel bad

that is a mess to read; so good luck. so I left it all in there; and I'll call

it the raw form;

I really can write very pollish its that it takes me days ok... I don't need 5

days anymore; cause I'm just giving you the raw form;

I've been thinking this through all day; in analyzing what trigger me to learn;

and I want to write it down, and then post it in group for you…

So I hear your question, and letting you know I'll be responding…

I'm looking at your question about this girl as how does an autistic person

learn?

Two words I thought of today; self communication and flow communication…

Self communication is communication to oneself and also observing the other

person who's communicating to oneself…

Flow communication will be like an interaction of communication; like verbal,

signing… Like how a ping pong game is played, one hits the ball to the other

person and the person hits the ball back; but both needs to keep the ball

moving…

I learn better when I'm self communicating and observing around me… I learn

better when I'm self taught, instead of when someone is flow communication and

expecting me for an instant response…

Signing and verbal are too fast for me – it's like a ping ball game,

Another thing I notice is I thrive in teaching on an one on one…

What if for this girl she teaches on an one on one how to behave like her?

Through mimicking her yet communicate to yourself…

Example: I'm going to make this up, cause I never met her so I'm going to make

this up ok; lets say, when she's excited she flaps her hands – then you learn

from her and flap your hands when you get excited… but don't flow communicate;

but self communcate; so your not going to look at her and flap your hands and

expect a response; but instead observe her and flap your hands in your world of

excitement.

Lets say she says eee eee eee a lot…

You say eee eee eee a lot,

But never towards her; but just to yourself…

Then as time goes on, when she says eee eee eee,

You can say in a self communication, eeea eeea eeea

Just a little bit of sound difference…

But will she pick this up and eventually try this on her own as if she will

teach herself through her observation, and say eeea eeea too?

I'm not talking about interaction, but to talk to one self, with sounds, that

she makes, or movements that she makes…

Now I don't know if she does these behaviors ok, so I'm making these up ok…

If like let say she touches her face a lot and pats her side of her face a lot

then you do the same thing…

I guess what I'm saying, is I use to word disassociate and learning through

disassociate, when communicating to oneself while observing…

If she's sitting in your lap and still she's self communicating while feeling

your closeness, still you can self communicate,

then you can do your own thing in communication to yourself, um, example, touch

your own hand and say to yourself and not looking at her, no, but in a self

meditating way hand hand hand, while touching your own hand,

Not expecting her to do so or copy, but just allowing her to notice in her way

as there's no eye contact, but you just doing your own thing, and letting her

observe and maybe in her time she will find this as enjoyable in her own self

communicating to touch her hand and say hand…

She might not be able to pernouse hand but in her own way she be saying it in

that rythom, it might sounds like aaan aaan….

Or maybe she will only touch her own hand like you did and not say anything… but

the point I'm saying is there's connection but through where both is self

communication and no need to keep the ball bouncing back and forth no need for

immediate response…

Or to keep something flowing; not need for that, but instead learning new ways

of self communication…

Then as she gains communication to herself and in her timing she might use them

to reach out.

If not talking to self then sign to self; but what ever way its to self

communication; instead of flow communication…

I picture what if for a while the adult just sits quietly in the room and says

nothing to her, but just sooth ones self in communicating to one self;

Yeah I notice those white sound machines and I'm going to see about them; also I

notice about the ear phones that one can put in ears that has white sounds; lots

to explore for me…

Maybe what my idea is is old and is already known about how to learn; but I

notice this of myself; I didn't know how to type; yet now I type; how did this

happen; I'm self taught;

I thrive when I teach myself; I thrive when I observe and reach out when I'm

ready; I thrive when I don't need to make something flow; but can self

communicate and then reach out when I'm ready;

Then I'm like an encourager and a teacher; but for me to debate, and or be in

court, or be quick on my verbal or sign, same problems; I'll have. Same problems

I have with the deaf that I have with the hearing; but why?

I figure out two words as I been thinking of your post this whole day; self

communication and observation to then self taught, instead the other way which

is to fast for me, which is flow communication; where one must keep it flowing;

I have problems in keeping it flowing; I also have problems keeping it flowing

when someone is teaching me and I'm suppose to flow back;

I do notice as I teach myself it does help me for the times I do to enter flow

communication for there's times I'm having to, it will be impossible for me to

excape this type of communication commpletely but I try to avoid being in it,

but when I find me having to, it does help me that I was able to teach myself

things, (I'm having a hard time explaining this ok) but the more I can be me its

easier for me to step in that world of flow communication, even though I'll

still struggle; (I'm having a hard time explaining this maybe there's a better

way of saying that) but when I'm at my worse in the flowing communication I'm

feeling what's wrong with me; after wards I feel like I'm on a chase, needing to

better the flow that has already past; yet they move on, and I need to redo it;

I feel frustrated;

For me the type of self communication: I feel I'm like a detective detecting

everything, picture learning while looking in a microscope and then try to play

ping ball; one can't see it all, cause they are seeing detail; and its going to

fast;

But picture learning through a microscope and left alone to observe detect,

being like a scientist, self communicate in the observation; one isn't flowing

any conversation, but one is learning; then after the finding, one takes the

finding and reaches out…

The frustration comes from to fast, and force to grasp it all; and can't detail

it; it goes against the grain; its painful; yet I'm suppose to put a smile on my

face when I try to grasp it all; yet I'm something that I'm not; I'm a fake; if

I try; but it catches up; and then it all let lose, through an explosion;

Maybe, and I never met her who you mention; but maybe and I'm observing myself

ok; let her be the teacher, the scientist, the detective through the microscope;

let her explore, with her findings, with no need to flow any communication; when

she reaches out; its not for the sake of flowing conversation; but for her to

show and teach,

Its as if my needs also fall into this; I'm hungry; but I can't communicate

through flow; as if some kind of ping ball game; instead I'm studying this

hunger through a microscope; the findings of being hungry; then to teach to show

to reach out this finding to aim for through self taught, which will aim to that

food;

It might look like there's a flow; as one improves in their skills to reach out;

but it's not…

I call it when there's a flow of communication is more like statements; I can't

think in statements; sales people are good examples of statements; flowing their

conversations in actuality a sales person can take advantage of me; I'll end up

mirror the sales person if I try to flow; for I can't flow; and I'll say yes;

giving in; but it will lead to me hitting myself which now I'll be squeezing

myself; but my feeling of what is wrong with me; how did this person win while I

feel I lost; in this flow;

Here's another thing, it's called pleasure and pain; its called enabling; its

called coping; when its not functional; then one falls into a pattern which it

effects all; I was thinking of this today; so lets say a pattern is happening

but through this pattern that will mean the child isn't becoming more

independent; there's enabling for it to continue; its pleasurable in a way as

there's all these coping ways; but its dysfunctional; so how does one go from

dysfunctional to functional;

I guess what I'm saying is; there needs to be a reason to learn; I didn't just

learn to type for the sake of typing; it probably would of never happen then;

I had to have a reason for and a want…

So then picture a teacher, scientist, detective, craving to detail and go deep

into in a microscope way of thinking, as it happens; but now to motivate to go

in a direction there needs to be a reason;

In the beginning maybe all that needs to be is learning to connect with her

through stepping in her world; allowing her to teach how to behave like her;

then that's when she can discover new ways of self communication through you;

then from there can be brought reason to and want...

Ok, this is long I guess I explain it here; I keep thinking though this must

have been an old idea; I guess what I'm saying is; I don't know if I'm giving

you a new idea; its that I observe myself and actually I learn more; and came up

with more words; like self communication and flow communication…

I'll flow communicate; but I fear it; I hate phones; I can go in detail

disasters that has happen; when I flow communicate, but give me a task where I

need to find info; and I thrive then have me teach that info that I found; and

I'm energies…

What are your thoughts about this; and this is me more observing me;

I never met this girl; I can only go by your post…

Also your right they do have those white sound machines and that would be a good

way to go about; they also have the kind doesn't loop is it called; I need to

re-read that; ok here it is the info:

Do Not Loop: These white noise generator models do not loop. By " looping " we

mean the playing of a short (typically 5 seconds or less) recorded segment of

sound over and over. Almost all machines on the market loop. On sound generators

that loop, after listening for a while, you can detect the beginning and end of

the recorded segment of sound. This can in itself become quite an annoyance.

These models all have in common that they generate a smooth steady sound that

does not loop.

and Here's one that fits in the ear:

Sleep Eze In Ear White Noise Generator

Using hearing aid technology, Sleep Eze white noise generator fits in your ear

and generates white noise to mask out louder sounds than a desktop unit can

handle. Sleep Eze works two ways: One by blocking the ear canal similar to ear

plugs and two by generating a masking white noise.

Then I guess if I need it louder; the desk top kind I could buy me an amplifier;

I guess what happen is I had this old tv., and I notice it makes that kind of

white noise, so I tried it; the problem was, is it flash a light that came out

of it; so I decided against it;

I look at the one you sent from walmart online…

Oh and its also really easy for me to be long winded; taking for ever to say

something thinking in description I'm also very animated; yet I'm very inward;

So to sum this all up; is self communication in all forms; from sight, hearing

and touch; allowing her to observe as she's self communication let her decide

when she wants to reach out; but perhaps try some reason for her to reach out;

something she wants; so there's a reason to; but maybe in the beginning first

establish this connection being around her but where you two are both in your

own worlds in self communication;

What are your thoughts on this; and timing about this - I don't know; that's

another thing; um, is there degrees in this; perhaps what I'm thinking of me

learning through a microscope someone else is learning even further a 100%

stronger microschope; as I'm more in a range of a lessor mirco scope; while the

people who learn through flow communication don't use a microscope at all...

so much more for me to learn; and I'm not declaring this is the answer for her;

but I do like that I can share an idea; to explore; but I share more me

analyzing me;

thank you for the question; I learn today as I thought this through.

Hope

May 5, 2009

Hope you words describes much of what i to tried to say for years and live of

the word choices of flow communication and such as that gives of me the right

words where i to had none to explain it....

Yes i to learn much exactly the same, I to be of an outside observer and self

teacher , I to learn best this way and not a good flow learning of back and

forth of one teaching with too much verbal.

I to be of also one hwo is of a hands on and kinestic learner meaning I to need

to be of able to move and stim and a have a chance to explore an object or

concepts with my hands or mind just as you shared as if under a microscope. When

people insist I to learn something their way or with their words it gets clogged

up and backed up in me and builds to overload and tears of frustration as like

you it is of too fast for me to keep up. It is of like a hard rain and it rains

so hard and fast that the storm drains cant keep up and all the clutter of the

road ways rush in and intermesh with the flow and soon it blocks the drain and

does not allow it to flow through.

I to know at times when my therapist goes silent and moves about fussing with

things in hims office like fixing the game shelf or cleaning off some of the

toys and or things in the room I to be then have to depend on observing with my

eyes completely and not my ears so much. I to have to observe and let it flow to

my mind of hims actions and movements and body language and while doing this he

oddly is turning off hims language unaware that it forces me to have to

compensate and learn differently than my normal flow of learning. yet still we

do as you words shared ... some flow communication that is of more dependent on

the visual self teaching via observing and learning differently.

I to learn too in smaller groups, and or one to one but struggle at times to

learn things if there is of too much flow among the people even if the flow is

not directed to me. but is of a flow among each other that to me is of like a

white noise malfunction and causes me to cycle to mass chaos within me. Like a

cafeteria sort of setting I to feel the need to get out of there much quick...

but the need for food and to eat forces me to self fix a issues that needs fixed

even if not communicate it to another and often basic needs things will motivate

of me to override a major infraction in life to me to reach out through it long

enough to obtain a need for self. But it took me to be an adult much so before

felt confident enough to over ride a infraction to obtain a need.

I to also sadly life and need to function out of patterns. if the routine sorts

of patterns are of not right then it causes my processing to go out of sync too.

But a distraction if that distraction is of more strong it can cause of me to

connect. such as in my group therapy yesterday the color of shoes did not have a

balanced pattern and that usually causes me to disconnect because cant work in a

cluttered pattern .... but for the group my therapist showed of us a family

video of him as a little boy of being of 8 and it was of a birthday party

because he was of celebrating hims birthday which is actually today but he was

sharing to us about birthdays and parties and had discovered that many of us

adults have not had or had no memory of any real birthday parties specific to

us. I to know I to never ever had a birthday party for me but have attended a

few as an adult person but not got invited to any as a child. anyways this movie

motivated of me much so to be distracted of the pattern of shoes it was like the

activity over rides the need for pattern to function.

and then after the movie I to got asked if would teach of my group members of

how to do sudoku and the members liked of this new computer game of numbers. But

the numbers were of a pattern game for me and so it was calming and I to did of

a good job teaching of my peers this game. I to knew non verbaally how to

support them non verbally in the teaching of them such as some had of fine motor

issues to the lap top so I to held down the click button while i to let of them

drag the letters to the right place. My group members even all on the spectrum

see me as the most disabled and challenged in their group.. they have all shared

of this and they are of all men who are of by odd ways and from their own

admissions share much protective of me. I to like of them all for thier hearts.

they are of all much caring and gentle people and I to enjoy being with them in

the group so when i to get of a chance to show of them I to be of more abled in

some areas of life it causes them to see of me differently. I to not feel as if

need to prove of smart to them but it is of good when they can see via natural

exposures that i to be of abled more than they think in some areas of life.

sondra

May 5, 2009