Re: Re: urgent action TODAY!!

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LOL......that's true!Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device from U.S. CellularSender: RawDairy Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 15:41:04 -0000To: <RawDairy >ReplyTo: RawDairy Subject: Re: urgent action TODAY!! They need ACTING lessons 'cause it's not working anymore!Belinda> >> > > > <http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/dia/track.jsp?v=2> <http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/dia/track.jsp?v=2 & c=k4XxlpXLVby9TZV%2FML> > & c=k4XxlpXLVby9TZV%2FML> > UlNYDOcxrzHZ%2Fi> http://tinyurl.com/GOPbetrayal> > > > > > > > Walasek> > > > HillHouse Writers Farm & Retreat> > > > 894 Odd Fellows Hall Road> > > > Pulaski, TN 38478> > > > (931)424-9029> > > > Cell (615)887-4935> > > > karen@> > > > http://hillhousewriters.com <http://hillhousewriters.com/> > > > > http://hillhousefarmsblog.com <http://hillhousefarmsblog.com/> > > > > cid:image001.jpg@ Serving the best food to nourish the> > creative process.> > > > We specialize in creating a custom menu for each HillHouse guest. Food> > sensitivity and Weston Price Friendly alternatives available. Transitional> & > > Organic Certification pending.> >>

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I guess i made a mistake in joining this group. I thought i read somewhere in the introductory materials that partisan politics wasn't welcome. But now i read from the MODERATOR of the group that Democrats (been one all my life, so this was a surprise to me) are actually communists. I haven't heard anything that STUPID in years. I know you probably spend all day listening to Rush and the other haters, so maybe it isn't your fault you can't think for yourself. In any case, it's obvious I'm not welcome here and will look elsewhere for unbiased information.I hope you will be happy when fascism arrives in America. Since you insist that the 1/3 of the country that votes for and supports the ideas of the Democrats are communists and should be jailed or worse for having different ideas than you do, i don't think we have anything to say to each other.CharlieTo: RawDairy From: shawndady@...Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 23:37:00 +0000Subject: Re: urgent action TODAY!!

Unhappily, some folks cannot seem to recognize

that the GOP is not responsible for pushing these

fascist, communist bills. They are the ones fighting

it tooth and nail. It's the democrat party (ie Soros) that

keep pushing this communistic government-control

agenda. We sadly cannot seem to recognize who the

real enemy is. The fact that one of the basic tenets

of the communist manifesto is to take over manufacturing

AS WELL AS farming seems to escape some. There is a

reason that the Russian Soviet communist flag has a

picture of both a HAMMER (manufacturing) and a SICKLE

(farming). I truly wish the organization called "democracy

in action" would wise up. We must learn to recognize the

enemy within and stop being blind to the truth.

D.

moderator

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> <http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/dia/track.jsp?v=2 & c=k4XxlpXLVby9TZV%2FML

> UlNYDOcxrzHZ%2Fi> http://tinyurl.com/GOPbetrayal

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>

>

> Walasek

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> HillHouse Writers Farm & Retreat

>

> 894 Odd Fellows Hall Road

>

> Pulaski, TN 38478

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> (931)424-9029

>

> Cell (615)887-4935

>

> karen@...

>

> http://hillhousewriters.com <http://hillhousewriters.com/>

>

> http://hillhousefarmsblog.com <http://hillhousefarmsblog.com/>

>

> cid:image001.jpg@... Serving the best food to nourish the

> creative process.

>

> We specialize in creating a custom menu for each HillHouse guest. Food

> sensitivity and Weston Price Friendly alternatives available. Transitional &

> Organic Certification pending.

>

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I guess i made a mistake in joining this group. I thought i read somewhere in the introductory materials that partisan politics wasn't welcome. But now i read from the MODERATOR of the group that Democrats (been one all my life, so this was a surprise to me) are actually communists. I haven't heard anything that STUPID in years. I know you probably spend all day listening to Rush and the other haters, so maybe it isn't your fault you can't think for yourself. In any case, it's obvious I'm not welcome here and will look elsewhere for unbiased information.I hope you will be happy when fascism arrives in America. Since you insist that the 1/3 of the country that votes for and supports the ideas of the Democrats are communists and should be jailed or worse for having different ideas than you do, i don't think we have anything to say to each other.CharlieTo: RawDairy From: shawndady@...Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 23:37:00 +0000Subject: Re: urgent action TODAY!!

Unhappily, some folks cannot seem to recognize

that the GOP is not responsible for pushing these

fascist, communist bills. They are the ones fighting

it tooth and nail. It's the democrat party (ie Soros) that

keep pushing this communistic government-control

agenda. We sadly cannot seem to recognize who the

real enemy is. The fact that one of the basic tenets

of the communist manifesto is to take over manufacturing

AS WELL AS farming seems to escape some. There is a

reason that the Russian Soviet communist flag has a

picture of both a HAMMER (manufacturing) and a SICKLE

(farming). I truly wish the organization called "democracy

in action" would wise up. We must learn to recognize the

enemy within and stop being blind to the truth.

D.

moderator

>

>

> <http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/dia/track.jsp?v=2 & c=k4XxlpXLVby9TZV%2FML

> UlNYDOcxrzHZ%2Fi> http://tinyurl.com/GOPbetrayal

>

>

>

> Walasek

>

> HillHouse Writers Farm & Retreat

>

> 894 Odd Fellows Hall Road

>

> Pulaski, TN 38478

>

> (931)424-9029

>

> Cell (615)887-4935

>

> karen@...

>

> http://hillhousewriters.com <http://hillhousewriters.com/>

>

> http://hillhousefarmsblog.com <http://hillhousefarmsblog.com/>

>

> cid:image001.jpg@... Serving the best food to nourish the

> creative process.

>

> We specialize in creating a custom menu for each HillHouse guest. Food

> sensitivity and Weston Price Friendly alternatives available. Transitional &

> Organic Certification pending.

>

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Actually when Jesus was here HE did call the religious leaders a den of vipers, Blind guides, white washed graves filed with rotting bones, ( pretty strong words for then)He did confront those who where taking advantage of others by their power and authority. He also ran them out of the temple with a whip..........Ya have to read the whole story before you comment on it!

Matt

Re: urgent action TODAY!!

- This is a fascism issue not a communist issue. And while I dont appreciate the bill in question especially as a small unlicensed dairy farmer I even less appreciate your inuendo that because I vote democrat that I am a communist/socialist/fascist. I have to say that it is inappropriate for you as moderator to call people names and inflame folks. I thought that our purpose on this earth was to live as much like Jesus (or buddah or?)as possible - He would not be name calling and causing hurt to others here. This type of division only hurts the union of people on this earth and the ability for us to come together in strength of spirit to heal and to treat the earth well. The solutions we seek will come not from the divisive political mechanism (all sides being equally at fault) but from people of all walks making different choices about how we live and eat. Please walk your talk . Everyone deserves to be spoken to and of with respect even when we dont agree with their views. aliza> >> > >> >> > >> >> > > <http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/dia/track.jsp? > v=2 & c=k4XxlpXLVby9TZV%2FML> >> > > UlNYDOcxrzHZ%2Fi> http://tinyurl.com/GOPbetrayal> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > > Walasek> >> > >> >> > > HillHouse Writers Farm & Retreat> >> > >> >> > > 894 Odd Fellows Hall Road> >> > >> >> > > Pulaski, TN 38478> >> > >> >> > > (931)424-9029> >> > >> >> > > Cell (615)887-4935> >> > >> >> > > karen@> >> > >> >> > > http://hillhousewriters.com <http://hillhousewriters.com/>> >> > >> >> > > http://hillhousefarmsblog.com <http://hillhousefarmsblog.com/>> >> > >> >> > > cid:image001.jpg@ Serving the best food to nourish the> >> > > creative process.> >> > >> >> > > We specialize in creating a custom menu for each HillHouse > guest. Food> >> > > sensitivity and Weston Price Friendly alternatives available. > Transitional & > >> > > Organic Certification pending.> >> > >> >> > > > Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. > Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.> Kurtis Staven> www.wildthingorganics.ca>

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Actually when Jesus was here HE did call the religious leaders a den of vipers, Blind guides, white washed graves filed with rotting bones, ( pretty strong words for then)He did confront those who where taking advantage of others by their power and authority. He also ran them out of the temple with a whip..........Ya have to read the whole story before you comment on it!

Matt

Re: urgent action TODAY!!

- This is a fascism issue not a communist issue. And while I dont appreciate the bill in question especially as a small unlicensed dairy farmer I even less appreciate your inuendo that because I vote democrat that I am a communist/socialist/fascist. I have to say that it is inappropriate for you as moderator to call people names and inflame folks. I thought that our purpose on this earth was to live as much like Jesus (or buddah or?)as possible - He would not be name calling and causing hurt to others here. This type of division only hurts the union of people on this earth and the ability for us to come together in strength of spirit to heal and to treat the earth well. The solutions we seek will come not from the divisive political mechanism (all sides being equally at fault) but from people of all walks making different choices about how we live and eat. Please walk your talk . Everyone deserves to be spoken to and of with respect even when we dont agree with their views. aliza> >> > >> >> > >> >> > > <http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/dia/track.jsp? > v=2 & c=k4XxlpXLVby9TZV%2FML> >> > > UlNYDOcxrzHZ%2Fi> http://tinyurl.com/GOPbetrayal> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > > Walasek> >> > >> >> > > HillHouse Writers Farm & Retreat> >> > >> >> > > 894 Odd Fellows Hall Road> >> > >> >> > > Pulaski, TN 38478> >> > >> >> > > (931)424-9029> >> > >> >> > > Cell (615)887-4935> >> > >> >> > > karen@> >> > >> >> > > http://hillhousewriters.com <http://hillhousewriters.com/>> >> > >> >> > > http://hillhousefarmsblog.com <http://hillhousefarmsblog.com/>> >> > >> >> > > cid:image001.jpg@ Serving the best food to nourish the> >> > > creative process.> >> > >> >> > > We specialize in creating a custom menu for each HillHouse > guest. Food> >> > > sensitivity and Weston Price Friendly alternatives available. > Transitional & > >> > > Organic Certification pending.> >> > >> >> > > > Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. > Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.> Kurtis Staven> www.wildthingorganics.ca>

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They were also the judges and political leaders as well, so not just calling the local pastors these names, it was the religious and political leaders of the day.

Matt

Re: urgent action TODAY!!

- This is a fascism issue not a communist issue. And while I dont appreciate the bill in question especially as a small unlicensed dairy farmer I even less appreciate your inuendo that because I vote democrat that I am a communist/socialist/fascist. I have to say that it is inappropriate for you as moderator to call people names and inflame folks. I thought that our purpose on this earth was to live as much like Jesus (or buddah or?)as possible - He would not be name calling and causing hurt to others here. This type of division only hurts the union of people on this earth and the ability for us to come together in strength of spirit to heal and to treat the earth well. The solutions we seek will come not from the divisive political mechanism (all sides being equally at fault) but from people of all walks making different choices about how we live and eat. Please walk your talk . Everyone deserves to be spoken to and of with respect even when we dont agree with their views. aliza> >> > >> >> > >> >> > > <http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/dia/track.jsp? > v=2 & c=k4XxlpXLVby9TZV%2FML> >> > > UlNYDOcxrzHZ%2Fi> http://tinyurl.com/GOPbetrayal> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > > Walasek> >> > >> >> > > HillHouse Writers Farm & Retreat> >> > >> >> > > 894 Odd Fellows Hall Road> >> > >> >> > > Pulaski, TN 38478> >> > >> >> > > (931)424-9029> >> > >> >> > > Cell (615)887-4935> >> > >> >> > > karen@> >> > >> >> > > http://hillhousewriters.com <http://hillhousewriters.com/>> >> > >> >> > > http://hillhousefarmsblog.com <http://hillhousefarmsblog.com/>> >> > >> >> > > cid:image001.jpg@ Serving the best food to nourish the> >> > > creative process.> >> > >> >> > > We specialize in creating a custom menu for each HillHouse > guest. Food> >> > > sensitivity and Weston Price Friendly alternatives available. > Transitional & > >> > > Organic Certification pending.> >> > >> >> > > > Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. > Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.> Kurtis Staven> www.wildthingorganics.ca>

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This discussion is fascinating, but leads us astray from our common goals of making raw dairy (and other real foods) as accessible and legal as possible. Even had to remind the faithful not to fight amongst themselves, but to focus on the enemy that is attacking from the outside:"For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers,

against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. "While was referring to spiritual battle, his point is relevant for us here: let us not be focusing on what divides us, but instead refocus our purpose to fighting the enemy that seeks to destroy us. There is no pristine political party; all share blame. Let us direct our efforts at arguing the merits of our cause, and continue to put pressure on ALL legislators to reinforce our individual liberties to pursue a vibrant life through our nutritional philosophies of raw dairy, nutrient-dense foods, and sustainable husbandry.Kind regards,

MathiasFounder, MiamiRealFood.orgSubject: Re: Re: urgent action TODAY!!To: RawDairy Date: Thursday, December 23, 2010, 12:05 PM

Actually when Jesus was here HE did call the religious leaders a den of vipers, Blind guides, white washed graves filed with rotting bones, ( pretty strong words for then)He did confront those who where taking advantage of others by their power and authority. He also ran them out of the temple with a whip..........Ya have to read the whole story before you comment on it!

Matt

Re: urgent action TODAY!!

- This is a fascism issue not a communist issue. And while I dont appreciate the bill in question especially as a small unlicensed dairy farmer I even less appreciate your inuendo that because I vote democrat that I am a communist/socialist/fascist. I have to say that it is inappropriate for you as moderator to call people names and inflame folks. I thought that our purpose on this earth was to live as much like Jesus (or buddah or?)as possible - He would not be name calling and causing hurt to others here. This type of division only hurts the union of people on this earth and the ability for us to come together in strength of spirit to heal and to treat the earth well. The solutions we seek will come not from the divisive political mechanism (all sides being equally at fault) but from people of all walks making different choices about how we live and eat. Please walk your talk . Everyone deserves to be spoken to and of with respect even when we dont agree with their views. aliza> >> > >> >> > >> >> > > <http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/dia/track.jsp? > v=2 & c=k4XxlpXLVby9TZV%2FML> >> > > UlNYDOcxrzHZ%2Fi> http://tinyurl.com/GOPbetrayal> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > > Walasek> >> > >> >> > > HillHouse Writers Farm & Retreat> >> > >> >> > > 894 Odd Fellows Hall Road> >> > >> >> > > Pulaski, TN 38478> >> > >> >> > > (931)424-9029> >> > >> >> > > Cell (615)887-4935> >> > >> >> > > karen@> >> > >> >> > > http://hillhousewriters.com <http://hillhousewriters.com/>> >> > >> >> > > http://hillhousefarmsblog.com <http://hillhousefarmsblog.com/>> >> > >> >> > > cid:image001.jpg@ Serving the best food to nourish the> >> > > creative process.> >> > >> >> > > We specialize in creating a custom menu for each HillHouse > guest. Food> >> > > sensitivity and Weston Price Friendly alternatives available. > Transitional & > >> > > Organic Certification pending.> >> > >> >> > > > Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. > Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.> Kurtis Staven> www.wildthingorganics.ca>

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could not agree more Power corrupts doesn't matter what the letter before or after their name is

We have to take the charge of our liberty.

Also I think was more referring to the Leadership, not the individual American of the party with a D. There is definitely a difference.

Matt

Re: urgent action TODAY!!

- This is a fascism issue not a communist issue. And while I dont appreciate the bill in question especially as a small unlicensed dairy farmer I even less appreciate your inuendo that because I vote democrat that I am a communist/socialist/fascist. I have to say that it is inappropriate for you as moderator to call people names and inflame folks. I thought that our purpose on this earth was to live as much like Jesus (or buddah or?)as possible - He would not be name calling and causing hurt to others here. This type of division only hurts the union of people on this earth and the ability for us to come together in strength of spirit to heal and to treat the earth well. The solutions we seek will come not from the divisive political mechanism (all sides being equally at fault) but from people of all walks making different choices about how we live and eat. Please walk your talk . Everyone deserves to be spoken to and of with respect even when we dont agree with their views. aliza> >> > >> >> > >> >> > > <http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/dia/track.jsp? > v=2 & c=k4XxlpXLVby9TZV%2FML> >> > > UlNYDOcxrzHZ%2Fi> http://tinyurl.com/GOPbetrayal> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > > Walasek> >> > >> >> > > HillHouse Writers Farm & Retreat> >> > >> >> > > 894 Odd Fellows Hall Road> >> > >> >> > > Pulaski, TN 38478> >> > >> >> > > (931)424-9029> >> > >> >> > > Cell (615)887-4935> >> > >> >> > > karen@> >> > >> >> > > http://hillhousewriters.com <http://hillhousewriters.com/>> >> > >> >> > > http://hillhousefarmsblog.com <http://hillhousefarmsblog.com/>> >> > >> >> > > cid:image001.jpg@ Serving the best food to nourish the> >> > > creative process.> >> > >> >> > > We specialize in creating a custom menu for each HillHouse > guest. Food> >> > > sensitivity and Weston Price Friendly alternatives available. > Transitional & > >> > > Organic Certification pending.> >> > >> >> > > > Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. > Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.> Kurtis Staven> www.wildthingorganics.ca>

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could not agree more Power corrupts doesn't matter what the letter before or after their name is

We have to take the charge of our liberty.

Also I think was more referring to the Leadership, not the individual American of the party with a D. There is definitely a difference.

Matt

Re: urgent action TODAY!!

- This is a fascism issue not a communist issue. And while I dont appreciate the bill in question especially as a small unlicensed dairy farmer I even less appreciate your inuendo that because I vote democrat that I am a communist/socialist/fascist. I have to say that it is inappropriate for you as moderator to call people names and inflame folks. I thought that our purpose on this earth was to live as much like Jesus (or buddah or?)as possible - He would not be name calling and causing hurt to others here. This type of division only hurts the union of people on this earth and the ability for us to come together in strength of spirit to heal and to treat the earth well. The solutions we seek will come not from the divisive political mechanism (all sides being equally at fault) but from people of all walks making different choices about how we live and eat. Please walk your talk . Everyone deserves to be spoken to and of with respect even when we dont agree with their views. aliza> >> > >> >> > >> >> > > <http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/dia/track.jsp? > v=2 & c=k4XxlpXLVby9TZV%2FML> >> > > UlNYDOcxrzHZ%2Fi> http://tinyurl.com/GOPbetrayal> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > > Walasek> >> > >> >> > > HillHouse Writers Farm & Retreat> >> > >> >> > > 894 Odd Fellows Hall Road> >> > >> >> > > Pulaski, TN 38478> >> > >> >> > > (931)424-9029> >> > >> >> > > Cell (615)887-4935> >> > >> >> > > karen@> >> > >> >> > > http://hillhousewriters.com <http://hillhousewriters.com/>> >> > >> >> > > http://hillhousefarmsblog.com <http://hillhousefarmsblog.com/>> >> > >> >> > > cid:image001.jpg@ Serving the best food to nourish the> >> > > creative process.> >> > >> >> > > We specialize in creating a custom menu for each HillHouse > guest. Food> >> > > sensitivity and Weston Price Friendly alternatives available. > Transitional & > >> > > Organic Certification pending.> >> > >> >> > > > Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. > Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.> Kurtis Staven> www.wildthingorganics.ca>

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JSent from my BlackBerry® wireless deviceSender: RawDairy Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 12:05:26 -0500To: <RawDairy >ReplyTo: RawDairy Subject: Re: Re: urgent action TODAY!! Actually when Jesus was here HE did call the religious leaders a den of vipers, Blind guides, white washed graves filed with rotting bones, ( pretty strong words for then)He did confront those who where taking advantage of others by their power and authority. He also ran them out of the temple with a whip..........Ya have to read the whole story before you comment on it! Matt Re: urgent action TODAY!! - This is a fascism issue not a communist issue. And while I dont appreciate the bill in question especially as a small unlicensed dairy farmer I even less appreciate your inuendo that because I vote democrat that I am a communist/socialist/fascist. I have to say that it is inappropriate for you as moderator to call people names and inflame folks. I thought that our purpose on this earth was to live as much like Jesus (or buddah or?)as possible - He would not be name calling and causing hurt to others here. This type of division only hurts the union of people on this earth and the ability for us to come together in strength of spirit to heal and to treat the earth well. The solutions we seek will come not from the divisive political mechanism (all sides being equally at fault) but from people of all walks making different choices about how we live and eat. Please walk your talk . Everyone deserves to be spoken to and of with respect even when we dont agree with their views. aliza> >> > >> >> > >> >> > > <http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/dia/track.jsp? > v=2 & c=k4XxlpXLVby9TZV%2FML> >> > > UlNYDOcxrzHZ%2Fi> http://tinyurl.com/GOPbetrayal> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > > Walasek> >> > >> >> > > HillHouse Writers Farm & Retreat> >> > >> >> > > 894 Odd Fellows Hall Road> >> > >> >> > > Pulaski, TN 38478> >> > >> >> > > (931)424-9029> >> > >> >> > > Cell (615)887-4935> >> > >> >> > > karen@> >> > >> >> > > http://hillhousewriters.com <http://hillhousewriters.com/>> >> > >> >> > > http://hillhousefarmsblog.com <http://hillhousefarmsblog.com/>> >> > >> >> > > cid:image001.jpg@ Serving the best food to nourish the> >> > > creative process.> >> > >> >> > > We specialize in creating a custom menu for each HillHouse > guest. Food> >> > > sensitivity and Weston Price Friendly alternatives available. > Transitional & > >> > > Organic Certification pending.> >> > >> >> > > > Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. > Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.> Kurtis Staven> www.wildthingorganics.ca>

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JSent from my BlackBerry® wireless deviceSender: RawDairy Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 12:05:26 -0500To: <RawDairy >ReplyTo: RawDairy Subject: Re: Re: urgent action TODAY!! Actually when Jesus was here HE did call the religious leaders a den of vipers, Blind guides, white washed graves filed with rotting bones, ( pretty strong words for then)He did confront those who where taking advantage of others by their power and authority. He also ran them out of the temple with a whip..........Ya have to read the whole story before you comment on it! Matt Re: urgent action TODAY!! - This is a fascism issue not a communist issue. And while I dont appreciate the bill in question especially as a small unlicensed dairy farmer I even less appreciate your inuendo that because I vote democrat that I am a communist/socialist/fascist. I have to say that it is inappropriate for you as moderator to call people names and inflame folks. I thought that our purpose on this earth was to live as much like Jesus (or buddah or?)as possible - He would not be name calling and causing hurt to others here. This type of division only hurts the union of people on this earth and the ability for us to come together in strength of spirit to heal and to treat the earth well. The solutions we seek will come not from the divisive political mechanism (all sides being equally at fault) but from people of all walks making different choices about how we live and eat. Please walk your talk . Everyone deserves to be spoken to and of with respect even when we dont agree with their views. aliza> >> > >> >> > >> >> > > <http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/dia/track.jsp? > v=2 & c=k4XxlpXLVby9TZV%2FML> >> > > UlNYDOcxrzHZ%2Fi> http://tinyurl.com/GOPbetrayal> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > > Walasek> >> > >> >> > > HillHouse Writers Farm & Retreat> >> > >> >> > > 894 Odd Fellows Hall Road> >> > >> >> > > Pulaski, TN 38478> >> > >> >> > > (931)424-9029> >> > >> >> > > Cell (615)887-4935> >> > >> >> > > karen@> >> > >> >> > > http://hillhousewriters.com <http://hillhousewriters.com/>> >> > >> >> > > http://hillhousefarmsblog.com <http://hillhousefarmsblog.com/>> >> > >> >> > > cid:image001.jpg@ Serving the best food to nourish the> >> > > creative process.> >> > >> >> > > We specialize in creating a custom menu for each HillHouse > guest. Food> >> > > sensitivity and Weston Price Friendly alternatives available. > Transitional & > >> > > Organic Certification pending.> >> > >> >> > > > Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. > Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.> Kurtis Staven> www.wildthingorganics.ca>

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JSent from my BlackBerry® wireless deviceSender: RawDairy Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 12:05:26 -0500To: <RawDairy >ReplyTo: RawDairy Subject: Re: Re: urgent action TODAY!! Actually when Jesus was here HE did call the religious leaders a den of vipers, Blind guides, white washed graves filed with rotting bones, ( pretty strong words for then)He did confront those who where taking advantage of others by their power and authority. He also ran them out of the temple with a whip..........Ya have to read the whole story before you comment on it! Matt Re: urgent action TODAY!! - This is a fascism issue not a communist issue. And while I dont appreciate the bill in question especially as a small unlicensed dairy farmer I even less appreciate your inuendo that because I vote democrat that I am a communist/socialist/fascist. I have to say that it is inappropriate for you as moderator to call people names and inflame folks. I thought that our purpose on this earth was to live as much like Jesus (or buddah or?)as possible - He would not be name calling and causing hurt to others here. This type of division only hurts the union of people on this earth and the ability for us to come together in strength of spirit to heal and to treat the earth well. The solutions we seek will come not from the divisive political mechanism (all sides being equally at fault) but from people of all walks making different choices about how we live and eat. Please walk your talk . Everyone deserves to be spoken to and of with respect even when we dont agree with their views. aliza> >> > >> >> > >> >> > > <http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/dia/track.jsp? > v=2 & c=k4XxlpXLVby9TZV%2FML> >> > > UlNYDOcxrzHZ%2Fi> http://tinyurl.com/GOPbetrayal> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > > Walasek> >> > >> >> > > HillHouse Writers Farm & Retreat> >> > >> >> > > 894 Odd Fellows Hall Road> >> > >> >> > > Pulaski, TN 38478> >> > >> >> > > (931)424-9029> >> > >> >> > > Cell (615)887-4935> >> > >> >> > > karen@> >> > >> >> > > http://hillhousewriters.com <http://hillhousewriters.com/>> >> > >> >> > > http://hillhousefarmsblog.com <http://hillhousefarmsblog.com/>> >> > >> >> > > cid:image001.jpg@ Serving the best food to nourish the> >> > > creative process.> >> > >> >> > > We specialize in creating a custom menu for each HillHouse > guest. Food> >> > > sensitivity and Weston Price Friendly alternatives available. > Transitional & > >> > > Organic Certification pending.> >> > >> >> > > > Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. > Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.> Kurtis Staven> www.wildthingorganics.ca>

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I know that there are a lot of negative thoughts and emotions going around on the list right now.....but can we all just agree that the Government has let each of us down....democrat, Republican, Independents....ALL of them!!!! And just spend our time and energies championing "OUR" cause???? Continue to write letters, continue to speak out FOR raw milk and freedom and STOP attacking each other!!!!!!!!!Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device from U.S. CellularFrom: julieankenbrandt@...Sender: RawDairy Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 18:07:44 +0000To: <RawDairy >ReplyTo: RawDairy Subject: Re: Re: urgent action TODAY!!

JSent from my BlackBerry® wireless deviceSender: RawDairy Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 12:05:26 -0500To: <RawDairy >ReplyTo: RawDairy Subject: Re: Re: urgent action TODAY!! Actually when Jesus was here HE did call the religious leaders a den of vipers, Blind guides, white washed graves filed with rotting bones, ( pretty strong words for then)He did confront those who where taking advantage of others by their power and authority. He also ran them out of the temple with a whip..........Ya have to read the whole story before you comment on it! Matt Re: urgent action TODAY!! - This is a fascism issue not a communist issue. And while I dont appreciate the bill in question especially as a small unlicensed dairy farmer I even less appreciate your inuendo that because I vote democrat that I am a communist/socialist/fascist. I have to say that it is inappropriate for you as moderator to call people names and inflame folks. I thought that our purpose on this earth was to live as much like Jesus (or buddah or?)as possible - He would not be name calling and causing hurt to others here. This type of division only hurts the union of people on this earth and the ability for us to come together in strength of spirit to heal and to treat the earth well. The solutions we seek will come not from the divisive political mechanism (all sides being equally at fault) but from people of all walks making different choices about how we live and eat. Please walk your talk . Everyone deserves to be spoken to and of with respect even when we dont agree with their views. aliza> >> > >> >> > >> >> > > <http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/dia/track.jsp? > v=2 & c=k4XxlpXLVby9TZV%2FML> >> > > UlNYDOcxrzHZ%2Fi> http://tinyurl.com/GOPbetrayal> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > > Walasek> >> > >> >> > > HillHouse Writers Farm & Retreat> >> > >> >> > > 894 Odd Fellows Hall Road> >> > >> >> > > Pulaski, TN 38478> >> > >> >> > > (931)424-9029> >> > >> >> > > Cell (615)887-4935> >> > >> >> > > karen@> >> > >> >> > > http://hillhousewriters.com <http://hillhousewriters.com/>> >> > >> >> > > http://hillhousefarmsblog.com <http://hillhousefarmsblog.com/>> >> > >> >> > > cid:image001.jpg@ Serving the best food to nourish the> >> > > creative process.> >> > >> >> > > We specialize in creating a custom menu for each HillHouse > guest. Food> >> > > sensitivity and Weston Price Friendly alternatives available. > Transitional & > >> > > Organic Certification pending.> >> > >> >> > > > Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. > Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.> Kurtis Staven> www.wildthingorganics.ca>

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I know that there are a lot of negative thoughts and emotions going around on the list right now.....but can we all just agree that the Government has let each of us down....democrat, Republican, Independents....ALL of them!!!! And just spend our time and energies championing "OUR" cause???? Continue to write letters, continue to speak out FOR raw milk and freedom and STOP attacking each other!!!!!!!!!Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device from U.S. CellularFrom: julieankenbrandt@...Sender: RawDairy Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 18:07:44 +0000To: <RawDairy >ReplyTo: RawDairy Subject: Re: Re: urgent action TODAY!!

JSent from my BlackBerry® wireless deviceSender: RawDairy Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 12:05:26 -0500To: <RawDairy >ReplyTo: RawDairy Subject: Re: Re: urgent action TODAY!! Actually when Jesus was here HE did call the religious leaders a den of vipers, Blind guides, white washed graves filed with rotting bones, ( pretty strong words for then)He did confront those who where taking advantage of others by their power and authority. He also ran them out of the temple with a whip..........Ya have to read the whole story before you comment on it! Matt Re: urgent action TODAY!! - This is a fascism issue not a communist issue. And while I dont appreciate the bill in question especially as a small unlicensed dairy farmer I even less appreciate your inuendo that because I vote democrat that I am a communist/socialist/fascist. I have to say that it is inappropriate for you as moderator to call people names and inflame folks. I thought that our purpose on this earth was to live as much like Jesus (or buddah or?)as possible - He would not be name calling and causing hurt to others here. This type of division only hurts the union of people on this earth and the ability for us to come together in strength of spirit to heal and to treat the earth well. The solutions we seek will come not from the divisive political mechanism (all sides being equally at fault) but from people of all walks making different choices about how we live and eat. Please walk your talk . Everyone deserves to be spoken to and of with respect even when we dont agree with their views. aliza> >> > >> >> > >> >> > > <http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/dia/track.jsp? > v=2 & c=k4XxlpXLVby9TZV%2FML> >> > > UlNYDOcxrzHZ%2Fi> http://tinyurl.com/GOPbetrayal> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > > Walasek> >> > >> >> > > HillHouse Writers Farm & Retreat> >> > >> >> > > 894 Odd Fellows Hall Road> >> > >> >> > > Pulaski, TN 38478> >> > >> >> > > (931)424-9029> >> > >> >> > > Cell (615)887-4935> >> > >> >> > > karen@> >> > >> >> > > http://hillhousewriters.com <http://hillhousewriters.com/>> >> > >> >> > > http://hillhousefarmsblog.com <http://hillhousefarmsblog.com/>> >> > >> >> > > cid:image001.jpg@ Serving the best food to nourish the> >> > > creative process.> >> > >> >> > > We specialize in creating a custom menu for each HillHouse > guest. Food> >> > > sensitivity and Weston Price Friendly alternatives available. > Transitional & > >> > > Organic Certification pending.> >> > >> >> > > > Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. > Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.> Kurtis Staven> www.wildthingorganics.ca>

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I know that there are a lot of negative thoughts and emotions going around on the list right now.....but can we all just agree that the Government has let each of us down....democrat, Republican, Independents....ALL of them!!!! And just spend our time and energies championing "OUR" cause???? Continue to write letters, continue to speak out FOR raw milk and freedom and STOP attacking each other!!!!!!!!!Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device from U.S. CellularFrom: julieankenbrandt@...Sender: RawDairy Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 18:07:44 +0000To: <RawDairy >ReplyTo: RawDairy Subject: Re: Re: urgent action TODAY!!

JSent from my BlackBerry® wireless deviceSender: RawDairy Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 12:05:26 -0500To: <RawDairy >ReplyTo: RawDairy Subject: Re: Re: urgent action TODAY!! Actually when Jesus was here HE did call the religious leaders a den of vipers, Blind guides, white washed graves filed with rotting bones, ( pretty strong words for then)He did confront those who where taking advantage of others by their power and authority. He also ran them out of the temple with a whip..........Ya have to read the whole story before you comment on it! Matt Re: urgent action TODAY!! - This is a fascism issue not a communist issue. And while I dont appreciate the bill in question especially as a small unlicensed dairy farmer I even less appreciate your inuendo that because I vote democrat that I am a communist/socialist/fascist. I have to say that it is inappropriate for you as moderator to call people names and inflame folks. I thought that our purpose on this earth was to live as much like Jesus (or buddah or?)as possible - He would not be name calling and causing hurt to others here. This type of division only hurts the union of people on this earth and the ability for us to come together in strength of spirit to heal and to treat the earth well. The solutions we seek will come not from the divisive political mechanism (all sides being equally at fault) but from people of all walks making different choices about how we live and eat. Please walk your talk . Everyone deserves to be spoken to and of with respect even when we dont agree with their views. aliza> >> > >> >> > >> >> > > <http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/dia/track.jsp? > v=2 & c=k4XxlpXLVby9TZV%2FML> >> > > UlNYDOcxrzHZ%2Fi> http://tinyurl.com/GOPbetrayal> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > > Walasek> >> > >> >> > > HillHouse Writers Farm & Retreat> >> > >> >> > > 894 Odd Fellows Hall Road> >> > >> >> > > Pulaski, TN 38478> >> > >> >> > > (931)424-9029> >> > >> >> > > Cell (615)887-4935> >> > >> >> > > karen@> >> > >> >> > > http://hillhousewriters.com <http://hillhousewriters.com/>> >> > >> >> > > http://hillhousefarmsblog.com <http://hillhousefarmsblog.com/>> >> > >> >> > > cid:image001.jpg@ Serving the best food to nourish the> >> > > creative process.> >> > >> >> > > We specialize in creating a custom menu for each HillHouse > guest. Food> >> > > sensitivity and Weston Price Friendly alternatives available. > Transitional & > >> > > Organic Certification pending.> >> > >> >> > > > Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. > Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.> Kurtis Staven> www.wildthingorganics.ca>

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I think you have it right on

matt

Re: urgent action TODAY!!

I agree with you Faith. I think the whole 'left and right' and 'republican and democrat' fighting is all a ruse, in my opinion. The corporations are taking over our government and both side are going along with it. We have become a fascist country - run by big money.The only people I see fighting for us, the people, are Al en on the left and Ron on the right. The rest of them, on both sides are just selling out to the highest bidder. We need to join together, on both side and tell them we've had enough. Just my .22 cents. :-)Sheriwww.MomsForSafeFood.orgHad anyone found out why Coburn suddenly did an about face on the bill? Hewas so staunchly against it, and laid out a very sound rationale, that Idon't understand what happened. I personally think all of Congress isresponsible for this mess, whether they have a (D) or (R ) after theirnames.

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Definitely. These left against right skirmishes always remind me of a quote from author Carolyn Chute:

It ain't left or right. It's up and down. Here we all are down here struggling while the Corporate Elite are all up there having a nice day! 

Here's a great Time Magazine article on her from last year that touches on a lot of issues we discuss here:

" How the Beans of Egypt, Maine, Sprouted a Militia "

In early October, the Second Maine Militia opened its meeting with the traditional shooting of the televisions. The 50 or so " members " (there are no rolls and no one pays dues) chatted quietly as the blasts rang out. A small cannon was fired into the woods, parting the trees and shaking the windows of the house nearby.

But no real televisions were harmed. The sets were just cardboard boxes painted with inane smiley faces and decorated with slogans like " Feel good! " " Proud to be USA! " " Safe in the homeland! " The aluminum-foil antennas, however, did collapse miserably from the real gunfire.

The purpose of the annual meeting, the same as it has been since the militia started in 1995, was to bring together the politics of left and right over speeches, food, live music, and, of course, live ammo. The attendees were a wildly diverse group: young activists and anarchists in black, old beat-up Maine woodsmen with beards to their bellies, retired white-haired college professors, Second Amendment zealots, conservatives, libertarians, Marxists. But they all shared the belief that the U.S. government has lost its moral authority, that both political parties had " degenerated, " as one attendee put it, " into whores for wealth and arbiters of empire. "

" From the beginning, we were the No-Wing Militia, " said Chute, 54, who served as range officer for the slaughter of the televisions. " We ain't right wing, we ain't left wing. We're trying to get the folks to see the problem ain't left versus right, it's up versus down. " He uses a tool analogy. " A Republican is a standard screw, " said Chute. " A Democrat is a Philips screws. So whichever way you vote you get the screw. "  

Chute, the host of the event, which took place on the 17 acres of his property in North Parsonsfield, happens to be married to one of the better known writers of the last 20 years, Carolyn Chute, 62, author of five novels. Her first book, The Beans of Egypt, Maine, sold 350,000 copies and made her a darling of the literary establishment in the 1980s. The critics compared her to Faulkner and Steinbeck, because what she wrote about so well and so convincingly was the back-broken underclass in Maine, the people who work, like Carolyn once did, in shoe factories or scrubbing hospital floors or picking potatoes. Her characters watch helplessly, like Carolyn did, as children die from lack of healthcare. Indeed, Carolyn and Chute lost a baby in 1982 after the local hospital refused to treat the complications from her pregnancy.

The couple live in a drafty unfinished house with no hot water. " I haven't had a hot water heater since 1970, " she says. It also has no septic system (they use an outhouse, even in the bitter Maine winters) and has only a wood stove for heat. It goes without saying there is no television, and certainly not a computer. Chute writes her books on jangled old typewriters. Her husband sometimes hunts moose for their protein.

A best-selling author, broke and eating moose? They ran short on money years ago when , due to illness, had to quit his job as the caretaker of the local cemetery. Carolyn had shared the cash from her book sales and big advances to help her daughter, mother, and several friends. After the books no longer sold, what they had left, mostly, were the family and the friends.

When the gunfire subsided at the October meeting, chili and cold beer and whiskey came out and someone offered the guests a tall can of marijuana cookies. For entertainment, twanged his Jew's harp, the instrument disappearing in his foot-long beard, as a young couple strummed a song called " F--- You. " The scene could have come from Carolyn's latest book, The School on Heart's Content Road, which features (among other things) a militia movement that brings conservatives and hippies together (and polygamists, secessionists, farmers, home-schoolers, intellectuals, vegans — her vision is generously inclusive).

Earlier in the festivities, a few people had made speeches. One of the presenters, a retired professor of economics from Duke University named Naylor, 73, who heads up a secessionist movement in Vermont, suggested that Maine secede from the union. I asked Naylor, who doesn't own or particularly like guns, what he thought of the Second Maine Militia. " It's a variation on the Swiss shooting club, with social and political overlays, " he explained. " It's a fairly benign way of confronting one's powerlessness. "

Naylor's secession call — an appeal for local control — went over well. " F--- America, " said Will Neils, 32, a Green Party activist from Lincolnville, Me. " What have they done for us lately? Bush f---ed us, Clinton f---ed us. Let's cut the United States loose and let it drift downstream. " Maine should stand up for Mainers, said Neils. In his view, the common enemy uniting Mainers, especially in the impoverished communities Neils grew up in, is government " run by and for the rich and on the backs of the poor. " " I live beside conservatives, " said Neils, " and there's no reason I can't find intense political ground with them. When we get together, we talk about community, how to take care of our people, feed our people. There's no place in that community for the likes of J.P. and Goldman Sachs. "

Chute kindled a fire as night fell and the party was ending, and I sat down with his wife, who wore big boots and a blue bandanna that tied back long kinky hair. " We should secede, " she said, almost to herself. Over her jungle-camo jacket she strung a bandolier that held what looked like the 7.62 mm rounds for her AK-47, the rifle she calls " my baby " because " it kicks just a little bit and has a deep sound. " But there was nothing deadly about her ammo: the shell casings were affixed with pencil points. " The point being, " the novelist explained, " that we should make our pencils our bullets.

Naomi

 

Republican vs. Democrat, or Conservative vs. Liberal/Progressive is just a red herring--it divides us and distracts all of us from what's really going on, so our only hope is to see through the smoke and mirrors, get to the real crux of the issue, and discuss it with relatively little fanatacism or partisanship. 

[Guest guest]

Definitely. These left against right skirmishes always remind me of a quote from author Carolyn Chute:

It ain't left or right. It's up and down. Here we all are down here struggling while the Corporate Elite are all up there having a nice day! 

Here's a great Time Magazine article on her from last year that touches on a lot of issues we discuss here:

" How the Beans of Egypt, Maine, Sprouted a Militia "

In early October, the Second Maine Militia opened its meeting with the traditional shooting of the televisions. The 50 or so " members " (there are no rolls and no one pays dues) chatted quietly as the blasts rang out. A small cannon was fired into the woods, parting the trees and shaking the windows of the house nearby.

But no real televisions were harmed. The sets were just cardboard boxes painted with inane smiley faces and decorated with slogans like " Feel good! " " Proud to be USA! " " Safe in the homeland! " The aluminum-foil antennas, however, did collapse miserably from the real gunfire.

The purpose of the annual meeting, the same as it has been since the militia started in 1995, was to bring together the politics of left and right over speeches, food, live music, and, of course, live ammo. The attendees were a wildly diverse group: young activists and anarchists in black, old beat-up Maine woodsmen with beards to their bellies, retired white-haired college professors, Second Amendment zealots, conservatives, libertarians, Marxists. But they all shared the belief that the U.S. government has lost its moral authority, that both political parties had " degenerated, " as one attendee put it, " into whores for wealth and arbiters of empire. "

" From the beginning, we were the No-Wing Militia, " said Chute, 54, who served as range officer for the slaughter of the televisions. " We ain't right wing, we ain't left wing. We're trying to get the folks to see the problem ain't left versus right, it's up versus down. " He uses a tool analogy. " A Republican is a standard screw, " said Chute. " A Democrat is a Philips screws. So whichever way you vote you get the screw. "  

Chute, the host of the event, which took place on the 17 acres of his property in North Parsonsfield, happens to be married to one of the better known writers of the last 20 years, Carolyn Chute, 62, author of five novels. Her first book, The Beans of Egypt, Maine, sold 350,000 copies and made her a darling of the literary establishment in the 1980s. The critics compared her to Faulkner and Steinbeck, because what she wrote about so well and so convincingly was the back-broken underclass in Maine, the people who work, like Carolyn once did, in shoe factories or scrubbing hospital floors or picking potatoes. Her characters watch helplessly, like Carolyn did, as children die from lack of healthcare. Indeed, Carolyn and Chute lost a baby in 1982 after the local hospital refused to treat the complications from her pregnancy.

The couple live in a drafty unfinished house with no hot water. " I haven't had a hot water heater since 1970, " she says. It also has no septic system (they use an outhouse, even in the bitter Maine winters) and has only a wood stove for heat. It goes without saying there is no television, and certainly not a computer. Chute writes her books on jangled old typewriters. Her husband sometimes hunts moose for their protein.

A best-selling author, broke and eating moose? They ran short on money years ago when , due to illness, had to quit his job as the caretaker of the local cemetery. Carolyn had shared the cash from her book sales and big advances to help her daughter, mother, and several friends. After the books no longer sold, what they had left, mostly, were the family and the friends.

When the gunfire subsided at the October meeting, chili and cold beer and whiskey came out and someone offered the guests a tall can of marijuana cookies. For entertainment, twanged his Jew's harp, the instrument disappearing in his foot-long beard, as a young couple strummed a song called " F--- You. " The scene could have come from Carolyn's latest book, The School on Heart's Content Road, which features (among other things) a militia movement that brings conservatives and hippies together (and polygamists, secessionists, farmers, home-schoolers, intellectuals, vegans — her vision is generously inclusive).

Earlier in the festivities, a few people had made speeches. One of the presenters, a retired professor of economics from Duke University named Naylor, 73, who heads up a secessionist movement in Vermont, suggested that Maine secede from the union. I asked Naylor, who doesn't own or particularly like guns, what he thought of the Second Maine Militia. " It's a variation on the Swiss shooting club, with social and political overlays, " he explained. " It's a fairly benign way of confronting one's powerlessness. "

Naylor's secession call — an appeal for local control — went over well. " F--- America, " said Will Neils, 32, a Green Party activist from Lincolnville, Me. " What have they done for us lately? Bush f---ed us, Clinton f---ed us. Let's cut the United States loose and let it drift downstream. " Maine should stand up for Mainers, said Neils. In his view, the common enemy uniting Mainers, especially in the impoverished communities Neils grew up in, is government " run by and for the rich and on the backs of the poor. " " I live beside conservatives, " said Neils, " and there's no reason I can't find intense political ground with them. When we get together, we talk about community, how to take care of our people, feed our people. There's no place in that community for the likes of J.P. and Goldman Sachs. "

Chute kindled a fire as night fell and the party was ending, and I sat down with his wife, who wore big boots and a blue bandanna that tied back long kinky hair. " We should secede, " she said, almost to herself. Over her jungle-camo jacket she strung a bandolier that held what looked like the 7.62 mm rounds for her AK-47, the rifle she calls " my baby " because " it kicks just a little bit and has a deep sound. " But there was nothing deadly about her ammo: the shell casings were affixed with pencil points. " The point being, " the novelist explained, " that we should make our pencils our bullets.

Naomi

 

Republican vs. Democrat, or Conservative vs. Liberal/Progressive is just a red herring--it divides us and distracts all of us from what's really going on, so our only hope is to see through the smoke and mirrors, get to the real crux of the issue, and discuss it with relatively little fanatacism or partisanship.